The cleric was however wrong, at least for the period under discussion. In England and Wales, between 1660 (the restoration) and 1835, such a marriage was only void if challenged in the courts during the lifetime of the participants and ruled to be so. The assumption is that if that had occurred, the cleric would have mentioned it. As such the child was not a bastard. If the marriage had occurred after 1835 (and before 1907), it would have been void, i.e. as if it had never occurred. This law change also rendered any such marriage that had not been previously challenged made before 1835. The 1907 change removed the restriction on marrying deceased wife's sister, and also made valid any such prior marriages. I recommend Rebecca Probert's Marriage Law for Genealogists. regards Keith Drage Swindon UK On 26-May-16 2:25 PM, Norfolk FreeREG via wrote: > Hi Linda, > > I have just come across one that might interest you. > > Broxted in Essex > 28 Mar 1773 Samuel son of John and Sarah FRANKLIN > Sarah his wife so called (having privily married and contrary to > express statute * his late wifes sister in blood); this child in the > eye of the law is a bastard and the marriage null and void > > Julie > > On 15 May 2016 at 18:25, Linda Wright via <norfolk@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> Well you lovely people you certainly came up trumps. Thank you all so much who sent me examples some off list. I knew that you wouldn’t let me down! >> >> They were certainly different times. >> >> >> Best wishes >> >> Linda >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi Linda, I have just come across one that might interest you. Broxted in Essex 28 Mar 1773 Samuel son of John and Sarah FRANKLIN Sarah his wife so called (having privily married and contrary to express statute * his late wifes sister in blood); this child in the eye of the law is a bastard and the marriage null and void Julie On 15 May 2016 at 18:25, Linda Wright via <norfolk@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Well you lovely people you certainly came up trumps. Thank you all so much who sent me examples some off list. I knew that you wouldn’t let me down! > > They were certainly different times. > > > Best wishes > > Linda > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Julie Harold FreeREG Norfolk Coordinator freereg.norfolk@gmail.com

This is the old biblical law "thou shalt not marry deceased wife's sister" that went to the Virginia Colonies and was law there as well. One of my husband's gt grandfathers managed to marry his deceased wife's sister by having a son in the legislature and getting the law changed. The son then stood up with the father at the second marriage. It pays to have a lawmaker in the family. Rosemary On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 8:25 AM, Norfolk FreeREG via <norfolk@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi Linda, > > I have just come across one that might interest you. > > Broxted in Essex > 28 Mar 1773 Samuel son of John and Sarah FRANKLIN > Sarah his wife so called (having privily married and contrary to > express statute * his late wifes sister in blood); this child in the > eye of the law is a bastard and the marriage null and void > > Julie > > On 15 May 2016 at 18:25, Linda Wright via <norfolk@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Well you lovely people you certainly came up trumps. Thank you all so > much who sent me examples some off list. I knew that you wouldn’t let me > down! > > > > They were certainly different times. > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > Linda > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > Julie Harold > FreeREG Norfolk Coordinator > freereg.norfolk@gmail.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In the 1940s children were evacuated from east London to Hatfield Herts. This lay between the main railway line to the north and the De Havilland aircraft factory!!!!!!!!!!! Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "DavidTennant" <d_jtennant@sympatico.ca> To: "Dave Hamilton" <gradhuk39@btinternet.com>; <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 1:30 PM Subject: Re: [NFK] evacuations > During WW2, I lived in Belton some 3 miles inland from Gt Yarmouth. > Children from Gt Y were evacuated to Retford. Belton received evacuees > from Dagenham, early in the war, and from West Ham during the V1 > offensive. Did the authorities select such a system to prevent early and > easy return to the danger areas? > David > > On 5/18/2016 4:09 AM, Dave Hamilton via wrote: >> Hello, >> The idea of the evacuations was to protect the future generations. >> It was not compulsory. >> My mother & I were evacuated to Staplehurst in Kent in 1940. >> We were moved again when a few doodlebugs came down around the house. >> The last one took of part of the roof, blew in all the front windows and >> the front door. >> Finally getting back to London in early 1946. >> However a woman with her children who were placed in the same >> house as us returned to London after about a year. >> bye >> DaveH >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > >

I once worked with someone who had been evacuated from Yarmouth to Retford and who could not see the logic behind it. My parents' memories of evacuees would seem to agree with David's opinion about returning to danger areas-apparently mothers who were evacuated with children to their villages often returned alone to London . But my father thought evacuating children to a distance prevented interference by parents in the process and made those who were allocated evacuees more accepting of them. I suppose the policies and decision making are still secret. Rosie On 18/05/2016 13:30, DavidTennant via wrote: > During WW2, I lived in Belton some 3 miles inland from Gt Yarmouth. > Children from Gt Y were evacuated to Retford. Belton received evacuees > from Dagenham, early in the war, and from West Ham during the V1 > offensive. Did the authorities select such a system to prevent early > and easy return to the danger areas? > David > > On 5/18/2016 4:09 AM, Dave Hamilton via wrote: >> Hello, >> The idea of the evacuations was to protect the future generations. >> It was not compulsory. >> My mother & I were evacuated to Staplehurst in Kent in 1940. >> We were moved again when a few doodlebugs came down around the house. >> The last one took of part of the roof, blew in all the front windows and the front door. >> Finally getting back to London in early 1946. >> However a woman with her children who were placed in the same >> house as us returned to London after about a year. >> bye >> DaveH >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, The idea of the evacuations was to protect the future generations. It was not compulsory. My mother & I were evacuated to Staplehurst in Kent in 1940. We were moved again when a few doodlebugs came down around the house. The last one took of part of the roof, blew in all the front windows and the front door. Finally getting back to London in early 1946. However a woman with her children who were placed in the same house as us returned to London after about a year. bye DaveH

During WW2, I lived in Belton some 3 miles inland from Gt Yarmouth. Children from Gt Y were evacuated to Retford. Belton received evacuees from Dagenham, early in the war, and from West Ham during the V1 offensive. Did the authorities select such a system to prevent early and easy return to the danger areas? David On 5/18/2016 4:09 AM, Dave Hamilton via wrote: > Hello, > The idea of the evacuations was to protect the future generations. > It was not compulsory. > My mother & I were evacuated to Staplehurst in Kent in 1940. > We were moved again when a few doodlebugs came down around the house. > The last one took of part of the roof, blew in all the front windows and the front door. > Finally getting back to London in early 1946. > However a woman with her children who were placed in the same > house as us returned to London after about a year. > bye > DaveH > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

My mothers family went to Hertfordshire from new cross when there home was set on fire by an incendiary bomb they lost everything I was born in Ashridge house which was a maternity home for London evacuees at the time. Then a hospital for returning prisoners of war still have the coffee service that you grandfather bought off of one ! Carolynn Langley Sent from my iPad > On 17 May 2016, at 12:53, Bob Rust via <norfolk@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Not Norfolk. > > At the time of the London Blitz (1940) pregnant women were moved out to a > cottage hospital at Welwyn Garden City. > But at six weeks had to move back to London (as my aunt and cousin did) and > take their chances with the rest of us as the evacuee system had been more > or less wound up. > > Bob > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <xpn11@aol.com> > To: "Dave Hamilton" <gradhuk39@btinternet.com>; <norfolk@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 10:01 AM > Subject: Re: [NFK] Stow Hall > > >> You may well be right. I think the dates on the NCC plans at NRO might >> clarify matters. The information in the available articles is conflicting- >> I know it was a convalescent home by the mid 1970s . I don't know enough >> about the evacuees to know whether there were enough women to warrant a >> maternity home for them. I know mother's family had mother and toddler >> evacuees. But at that time women were mainly having home births so one >> might have expected evacuees to do the same, so it is interesting to learn >> if there were different arrangements for evacuees. Some women identified >> as needing special care went into hospital even though there was no >> NHS-one of my grandmothers in law was an example. >> I have set my sister, who lives in a neighbouring village, to ask around. >> Rosie >>> On 15/05/2016 10:48, Dave Hamilton via wrote: >>> Hello Rosie, >>> >>> you wrote:- >>> Billingford is a fair step from Stow so presumably the birth referred to >>> was an admission well in advance of the birth-a county wide facility >>> used by GPs for potentially difficult cases or illness during pregnancy >>> one wonders ? >>> >>> Doris was born in the 'Old Kent Road' just south of the 'Elephant & >>> Castle' >>> An area of hustle & bustle and moved with her parents Welling, Kent in >>> 1936. >>> Despite being a small town Doris missed London. >>> Then married & pregnant was evacuated from Kent to Billingford. >>> After the birth returned to live in Kent as soon as possible. >>> She could not stand the peace and quiet of Norfolk. >>> >>> Another point is the fact the National Health did not start until 1948. >>> So it is very hard to see a Welling doctor contacting a doctor in >>> Norfolk. >>>> From this I think Stow Bardolph Emergency hospital my well have been >>>> used by >>> evacuees. >>> I attended a school like this in Holsworthy Devon where even the teachers >>> were evacuees. >>> bye >>> DaveH >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Not Norfolk. At the time of the London Blitz (1940) pregnant women were moved out to a cottage hospital at Welwyn Garden City. But at six weeks had to move back to London (as my aunt and cousin did) and take their chances with the rest of us as the evacuee system had been more or less wound up. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <xpn11@aol.com> To: "Dave Hamilton" <gradhuk39@btinternet.com>; <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [NFK] Stow Hall > You may well be right. I think the dates on the NCC plans at NRO might > clarify matters. The information in the available articles is conflicting- > I know it was a convalescent home by the mid 1970s . I don't know enough > about the evacuees to know whether there were enough women to warrant a > maternity home for them. I know mother's family had mother and toddler > evacuees. But at that time women were mainly having home births so one > might have expected evacuees to do the same, so it is interesting to learn > if there were different arrangements for evacuees. Some women identified > as needing special care went into hospital even though there was no > NHS-one of my grandmothers in law was an example. > I have set my sister, who lives in a neighbouring village, to ask around. > Rosie > On 15/05/2016 10:48, Dave Hamilton via wrote: >> Hello Rosie, >> >> you wrote:- >> Billingford is a fair step from Stow so presumably the birth referred to >> was an admission well in advance of the birth-a county wide facility >> used by GPs for potentially difficult cases or illness during pregnancy >> one wonders ? >> >> Doris was born in the 'Old Kent Road' just south of the 'Elephant & >> Castle' >> An area of hustle & bustle and moved with her parents Welling, Kent in >> 1936. >> Despite being a small town Doris missed London. >> Then married & pregnant was evacuated from Kent to Billingford. >> After the birth returned to live in Kent as soon as possible. >> She could not stand the peace and quiet of Norfolk. >> >> Another point is the fact the National Health did not start until 1948. >> So it is very hard to see a Welling doctor contacting a doctor in >> Norfolk. >> >From this I think Stow Bardolph Emergency hospital my well have been >> >used by >> evacuees. >> I attended a school like this in Holsworthy Devon where even the teachers >> were evacuees. >> bye >> DaveH >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

You may well be right. I think the dates on the NCC plans at NRO might clarify matters. The information in the available articles is conflicting- I know it was a convalescent home by the mid 1970s . I don't know enough about the evacuees to know whether there were enough women to warrant a maternity home for them. I know mother's family had mother and toddler evacuees. But at that time women were mainly having home births so one might have expected evacuees to do the same, so it is interesting to learn if there were different arrangements for evacuees. Some women identified as needing special care went into hospital even though there was no NHS-one of my grandmothers in law was an example. I have set my sister, who lives in a neighbouring village, to ask around. Rosie On 15/05/2016 10:48, Dave Hamilton via wrote: > Hello Rosie, > > you wrote:- > Billingford is a fair step from Stow so presumably the birth referred to > was an admission well in advance of the birth-a county wide facility > used by GPs for potentially difficult cases or illness during pregnancy > one wonders ? > > Doris was born in the 'Old Kent Road' just south of the 'Elephant & Castle' > An area of hustle & bustle and moved with her parents Welling, Kent in 1936. > Despite being a small town Doris missed London. > Then married & pregnant was evacuated from Kent to Billingford. > After the birth returned to live in Kent as soon as possible. > She could not stand the peace and quiet of Norfolk. > > Another point is the fact the National Health did not start until 1948. > So it is very hard to see a Welling doctor contacting a doctor in Norfolk. > >From this I think Stow Bardolph Emergency hospital my well have been used by > evacuees. > I attended a school like this in Holsworthy Devon where even the teachers > were evacuees. > bye > DaveH > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well you lovely people you certainly came up trumps. Thank you all so much who sent me examples some off list. I knew that you wouldn’t let me down! They were certainly different times. Best wishes Linda

Hello Rosie, you wrote:- Billingford is a fair step from Stow so presumably the birth referred to was an admission well in advance of the birth-a county wide facility used by GPs for potentially difficult cases or illness during pregnancy one wonders ? Doris was born in the 'Old Kent Road' just south of the 'Elephant & Castle' An area of hustle & bustle and moved with her parents Welling, Kent in 1936. Despite being a small town Doris missed London. Then married & pregnant was evacuated from Kent to Billingford. After the birth returned to live in Kent as soon as possible. She could not stand the peace and quiet of Norfolk. Another point is the fact the National Health did not start until 1948. So it is very hard to see a Welling doctor contacting a doctor in Norfolk. >From this I think Stow Bardolph Emergency hospital my well have been used by evacuees. I attended a school like this in Holsworthy Devon where even the teachers were evacuees. bye DaveH

Thank you to all the people who sent data about the above. You have sent the information plus a photo of the old building. Now all we have to do is find time to go and visit the area. Thank you DaveH

The Hare Family papers are in Norfolk Record Office. It could help if you are able to look through those papers. Jenny C On 14/05/2016 5:20 PM, Dave Hamilton via wrote: > Hello, > > My wife was born in July 1941 in the > Emergency maternity hospital, Stow Bardolph. > Her mother had been evacuated to Billingford. > Can any one give me some information about this hospital? > Perhaps there is a place I can write to for information? > thank you for any help in this matter. > DaveH > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

http://www.downhammarketparishes.uk/parishes/stow-bardolph I don't know if this is the web page Elizabeth referred to. This one seems to indicate the Hall was used up to WW2 as a maternity home but does not say from when and who by, then as a convalescent home. Billingford is a fair step from Stow so presumably the birth referred to was an admission well in advance of the birth-a county wide facility used by GPs for potentially difficult cases or illness during pregnancy one wonders ? All you need to know about Stow though-a wonderful website all round. Rosie

http://www.lostheritage.org.uk/houses/lh_norfolk_stowbardolphhall_info_gallery.html Local carrstone I think Rosie

Norfolk Record Office hold the architects' plans for Stow Bardolph Hall Maternity Home (documents ref. C/AR 1/694-725). -- Christopher Pipe BA DipLib MCLIP researching and indexing Norfolk history cp@wmk.demon.co.uk (and see www.cromerdictionary.co.uk) -----Original Message----- From: norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rosie via Sent: 14 May 2016 09:51 To: Dave Hamilton; norfolk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NFK] Stow Bardolph hospital This was Stow Bardolph Hall I think, associated with the Hare family. My grandmother was there as a convalescent in the early 1970s but it has now closed. I had thought it came into use during WW1 as many big houses did, but I now suspect it might have been used for emergency maternity purposes as early as 1900 because a great uncle seems to have been born in Stow Bardolph even though the family was living in Upwell and no relatives in Stow. Try posting on the Kings Lynn local forum web page is all I can suggest. I can't think of any organisation which would carry the history. Rosie. On 14/05/2016 08:20, Dave Hamilton via wrote: > Hello, > > My wife was born in July 1941 in the > Emergency maternity hospital, Stow Bardolph. > Her mother had been evacuated to Billingford. > Can any one give me some information about this hospital? > Perhaps there is a place I can write to for information? > thank you for any help in this matter. > DaveH > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This was Stow Bardolph Hall I think, associated with the Hare family. My grandmother was there as a convalescent in the early 1970s but it has now closed. I had thought it came into use during WW1 as many big houses did, but I now suspect it might have been used for emergency maternity purposes as early as 1900 because a great uncle seems to have been born in Stow Bardolph even though the family was living in Upwell and no relatives in Stow. Try posting on the Kings Lynn local forum web page is all I can suggest. I can't think of any organisation which would carry the history. Rosie. On 14/05/2016 08:20, Dave Hamilton via wrote: > Hello, > > My wife was born in July 1941 in the > Emergency maternity hospital, Stow Bardolph. > Her mother had been evacuated to Billingford. > Can any one give me some information about this hospital? > Perhaps there is a place I can write to for information? > thank you for any help in this matter. > DaveH > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, My wife was born in July 1941 in the Emergency maternity hospital, Stow Bardolph. Her mother had been evacuated to Billingford. Can any one give me some information about this hospital? Perhaps there is a place I can write to for information? thank you for any help in this matter. DaveH

I saw several baptisms in mid 1700s as "child by chance" . At first, just for a moment, I thought that Mr Chance had been a busy lad! I soon realized that it was the vicars comment for a child to a single mother.. Diane - Western Australia On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 4:33 PM, Ours via <norfolk@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi Linda > > If you look at Sarah/Elizabeth Forster baptisms in Middleton, in January > 1820 and October 1821, there are a couple of choice comments! > > Hope that helps > > Ann > > > > On 11 May 2016 1:11 PM, Linda Wright via wrote: > > > > I am giving a talk to my local history group about illegitimacy. Over the > > years I have come across some pithy comments by the vicar in the baptism > > records, of course now I have no idea where they were! > > > > If anyone can share comments that vicars have made it would be great or > > anything related to the subject. > > Sent from my iPad > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >