> > Thank you Trish. On Family Search, I found a Jonathan Daniel of Aldborough married to Catherine Scoulten of Knapton, 1771. Might this be my x3 grandparents? I then found a Jonathan Daniel, b.1747, father Samuel Daniel of Metton, mother was Mary Bond. Samuel is a family name - my x2 grandfather was Samuel. Maybe my Daniel family came from Metton? Metton is in the parish of Aldborough, I believe. It's all about proof and evidence and, although I can speculate, there is no direct proof that these are indeed my Daniels family. Maybe, as you said, the earlier Daniel family in Blickling is no connection whatsoever. Thanks again for your response - greatly appreciated. Best wishes, Meg > > > > From: megrose61 <megrose61@googlemail.com> > Date: 3 September 2011 15:27:08 GMT+01:00 > To: NORFOLK@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NFK] DANIEL(S) - Bickling and Matlaske? > Reply-To: norfolk@rootsweb.com > > > My ancestors came from Blickling, with my x3 grandparents being Jonathan and Catherine Daniel and their first child, Jonathan, being born in 1772. There are no other Daniels mentioned in the Blickling records before this, until the beginning of the century, when Jonathan and Mary Daniel had children baptized in Blickling, the last one being in 1715. Apart from the same name Jonathan, I have no proof that this is part of my Daniels family. > > On browsing through the Blickling parish records on Family Search, I found what I believe to be the death of the early Jonathan in Blickling, 1738. The record helpfully states that he was a 'native of Matlaske' and I've been able to find out quite a bit about the Daniel family in that village , but, again, because there is no direct link between them and my x3 grandparents, I am still unsure whether they are indeed my ancestors. > > The problem is this gap in Blickling between 1715 and 1772. I'd be very grateful for any advice as to how I could research this gap and perhaps link the two families - or not. > > Meg > > > > > From: "symonds3" <psym8950@bigpond.net.au> > Date: 3 September 2011 21:21:12 GMT+01:00 > To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [NFK] DANIEL(S) - Bickling and Matlaske? > Reply-To: norfolk@rootsweb.com > > > Hi Meg, > The records for Blicking have been transcribed and are on FreeREG - > http://freereg.rootsweb.com/cgi/Search.pl > They show that Jonathan and Mary DANIEL had 5 children baptised in Blicking - > 1703 - Mary > 1706/07 - Robert > 1709/10 - John > 1711 - Alice > 1715/16 - Ann > There are no marriages for any of these in Blicking. > If you track Robert and John, you may find they married elsewhere, and returned to Blicking - and one of them may be the father of your Jonathan. > That would be the only way there could be a connection between the earlier and later DANIEL families in Blicking. > It doesn't look as though either sons, John and Robert, were married or buried in Blicking. The only spouse isn't named - 1745, "the Widow Daniel" - who could also be the mother of Jonathan rather than wife of a son. > Your Jonathan is shown as John DANIEL in all the baptisms of his children in Blicking, so he may be the son of John, and changed his name to Jonathan at a later date? > On FreeREG there are numerous baptisms for John DANIEL with father John DANIEL in the correct time period, nothing obvious with father Robert DANIEL; there are probably a lot more on the IGI. > It may just be a coincidence that there are two DANIEL families in Blicking and they have no connection at all. > Cheers > Trish > Nowra NSW > >> My ancestors came from Blickling, with my x3 grandparents being Jonathan and Catherine Daniel and their first child, Jonathan, being born in 1772. There are no other Daniels mentioned in the Blickling records before this, until the beginning of the century, when Jonathan and Mary Daniel had children baptized in Blickling, the last one being in 1715. Apart from the same name Jonathan, I have no proof that this is part of my Daniels family. >> On browsing through the Blickling parish records on Family Search, I found what I believe to be the death of the early Jonathan in Blickling, 1738. The record helpfully states that he was a 'native of Matlaske' and I've been able to find out quite a bit about the Daniel family in that village , but, again, because there is no direct link between them and my x3 grandparents, I am still unsure whether they are indeed my ancestors. >> The problem is this gap in Blickling between 1715 and 1772. I'd be very grateful for any advice as to how I could research this gap and perhaps link the two families - or not. >> Meg > > > > > To contact the NORFOLK list administrator, send an email to > NORFOLK-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the NORFOLK mailing list, send an email to NORFOLK@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text.

There are two candidates for a carpentry apprenticeship1755 at Hockering, Norfolk. Robert Spaul b. 1736 (age 19) and Robert Spaul b. 1743 (age 12). Unfortunately father's name is not given. One seems a bit old, the other a bit young. Does anyone have an opinion on which is more likely. Bonnie

Hi Meg, The records for Blicking have been transcribed and are on FreeREG - http://freereg.rootsweb.com/cgi/Search.pl They show that Jonathan and Mary DANIEL had 5 children baptised in Blicking - 1703 - Mary 1706/07 - Robert 1709/10 - John 1711 - Alice 1715/16 - Ann There are no marriages for any of these in Blicking. If you track Robert and John, you may find they married elsewhere, and returned to Blicking - and one of them may be the father of your Jonathan. That would be the only way there could be a connection between the earlier and later DANIEL families in Blicking. It doesn't look as though either sons, John and Robert, were married or buried in Blicking. The only spouse isn't named - 1745, "the Widow Daniel" - who could also be the mother of Jonathan rather than wife of a son. Your Jonathan is shown as John DANIEL in all the baptisms of his children in Blicking, so he may be the son of John, and changed his name to Jonathan at a later date? On FreeREG there are numerous baptisms for John DANIEL with father John DANIEL in the correct time period, nothing obvious with father Robert DANIEL; there are probably a lot more on the IGI. It may just be a coincidence that there are two DANIEL families in Blicking and they have no connection at all. Cheers Trish Nowra NSW > My ancestors came from Blickling, with my x3 grandparents being Jonathan > and Catherine Daniel and their first child, Jonathan, being born in 1772. > There are no other Daniels mentioned in the Blickling records before this, > until the beginning of the century, when Jonathan and Mary Daniel had > children baptized in Blickling, the last one being in 1715. Apart from > the same name Jonathan, I have no proof that this is part of my Daniels > family. > On browsing through the Blickling parish records on Family Search, I found > what I believe to be the death of the early Jonathan in Blickling, 1738. > The record helpfully states that he was a 'native of Matlaske' and I've > been able to find out quite a bit about the Daniel family in that village > , but, again, because there is no direct link between them and my x3 > grandparents, I am still unsure whether they are indeed my ancestors. > The problem is this gap in Blickling between 1715 and 1772. I'd be very > grateful for any advice as to how I could research this gap and perhaps > link the two families - or not. > Meg

My ancestors came from Blickling, with my x3 grandparents being Jonathan and Catherine Daniel and their first child, Jonathan, being born in 1772. There are no other Daniels mentioned in the Blickling records before this, until the beginning of the century, when Jonathan and Mary Daniel had children baptized in Blickling, the last one being in 1715. Apart from the same name Jonathan, I have no proof that this is part of my Daniels family. On browsing through the Blickling parish records on Family Search, I found what I believe to be the death of the early Jonathan in Blickling, 1738. The record helpfully states that he was a 'native of Matlaske' and I've been able to find out quite a bit about the Daniel family in that village , but, again, because there is no direct link between them and my x3 grandparents, I am still unsure whether they are indeed my ancestors. The problem is this gap in Blickling between 1715 and 1772. I'd be very grateful for any advice as to how I could research this gap and perhaps link the two families - or not. Meg

Hi, Has anyone come across the family of James NICKERSON (52 in 1871 & 40 in 1861) he has a wife Maria age 36 in 1861 and children Maria age 8 & George age 6 in 1861 but by 1871 the wife is not with them and Maria (18) & George (16) now appear as FARROW but still as dau & son. The George may be the George William NICKERSON Q1 1855 Yarmouth 4B-19. This George could be the George FARRAR age 25 in 1881 and George W FARROW in 1891 plus wife Charlotte and several children. Was the wife Maria a FARROW ? – but I do not see a marriage to confirm this. Any clues ? TIA John E Farrow

Hi I am writing to provide an update on the 1861 census project. One further piece has been uploaded to the on line database and is now searchable for free on the main Freecen site at http://www.freecen.org.uk This is piece: RG09/1219 West Wymer covering the parish of Heigham This means that there are now 408,098 (97.4%) 1861 Norfolk census records available to search free on line. Many thanks to John Seakins, Rosemarie Forrest, without their help this information would not be available. If you would like to help with making more information available please contact me on bandys@worldonline.co.uk <mailto:bandys@worldonline.co.uk>. Please remember that spelling was not standard in 1861 so you may need to be a little imaginative with some of your searches. We have to provide a transcript of what the enumerator wrote not what we think he meant. Please see the main Freecen site or my website (see my signature for a link) for details of which pieces are on line. Hope this helps you in your research. Bev -- Bev Howlett FreeCen Co-Ordinator Norfolk 1861,1871,1891 Cambridge 1891 Surrey 1871,1891 Find Out How To Help http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/bevsnorfolkinfo/ http://www.freecen.org.uk

Thank you Stan, I will have a closer look at the web site and give it a try. If they draw a blank on the birth father's name I will at least know that the person had probably assumed the identity of the foster parents. The only other way I could think of to trace the person was from the records of a primary school in Norfolk, but I suspect the date, being more recent than 100 years, may mean the relevant registers are unavailable because of data protection, even if they are lodged with NRO. Rosie On 01/09/2011 19:28, Stan Langley wrote: > Rosie, > I'm pretty sure you are able to ask that a certificate only > be provided if it meets criteria you mention, and if a certificate is not > located, a lesser charge (for the search) is payable. > > Although it is some years since I obtained a certificate > other than using the local office, I did it by telephoning Southport - the > young lady I spoke to at that time was extremely helpful. > > Stan L. Langley - West Norfolk U.K. > Principal Interests; JICKLING; LANGLEY; RICHMOND; WAD(DE)LOW; W(H)ILLOCK. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "xpn11"<xpn11@aol.com> > To: "Nofolk list"<norfolk@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 1:35 PM > Subject: [NFK] Unofficial fostering > > >> ...................................And is it possible to request a >> certificate conditional on a specific >> father's name, or does the fee cover the search as much as the >> certificate? >> TIA >> Rosie > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. > SPAMfighter has removed 2938 of my spam emails to date. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > The Professional version does not have this message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry Robert i don't have a match. Kind Regards Jenny -----Original Message----- From: Robert Platten [mailto:rplatten@sfr.fr] Sent: Saturday, 20 August 2011 9:40 PM To: norfolk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NFK] Nurse - Wing - Parker Hi, Jennie, I have a James Nurse, who married a Martha PLATTEN in Wood Norton, 10 March 1831. Robert Platten, Paris. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny Comben" <davcom@tpg.com.au> To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 9:20 AM Subject: [NFK] Nurse - Wing - Parker >I am tracing my family tree and are looking for the name Nurse. > >

Hi Sheila What is an estate church? Kind Regards Jenny -----Original Message----- From: Sheila WB [mailto:sheila.w_b@btinternet.com] Sent: Saturday, 20 August 2011 6:42 PM To: norfolk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NFK] Nurse - Wing - Parker Hi Jenny You also need to look at West Dereham, which is where at least one branch of the NURSE family settled. This isn't my family but West Dereham is one of my villages and that's where a Valentine NURSE lived (son of William & Jane). http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~tinstaafl/Church_Pages/dereham_west.htm Stradsett is an estate church and the PRs are not easily available. kind regards Sheila ________________________________ From: Jenny Comben <davcom@tpg.com.au> To: norfolk@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, 20 August, 2011 9:20:05 Subject: [NFK] Nurse - Wing - Parker I am tracing my family tree and are looking for the name Nurse. I have John Nurse born 1795 at Stradsett Norfolk. He married Ann. Two of their children are: Henry married Susan Colden (Colding?) and one of their children Aves married Jemima Nurse daughter of Alfred and Matilda (nee Wing) Alfred married Matilda Wing who is the daughter of James Wing and Susan Parker. Parker is my main line. I think John born 1795 may have had a brother Henry born 1796 who had a son Valentine and Valentine had a son Filber but i am not sure. If anyone can help it would be much appreciated. Kind Regards Jenny Comben Perth Australia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

John Ebbetts, b Shelton, Norfolk, England Married to Mary ??????? on 29 Dec 1727 in Stratton, Norfolk, England. Mary ???? marred a Phillip Morter ( my relative) Aft. 15 Feb 1710. Any connection? Jack Morter Ohio, USA From: norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of norfolk-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 3:01 AM To: norfolk@rootsweb.com Subject: NORFOLK Digest, Vol 6, Issue 273

Individual Report for Sarah Durrant Individual Summary: Sarah Durrant Sex: Female Father: Mother: Individual Facts: Birth: Abt. 1745 in Catfield, Norfolk, England Death: Aft. 1811 Shared Facts: John Myhill Marriage: 18 Apr 1771 in Catfield, Norfolk, England Children: John Myhill Notes: From: norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of norfolk-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 3:01 AM To: norfolk@rootsweb.com Subject: NORFOLK Digest, Vol 6, Issue 273

Rosie, I'm pretty sure you are able to ask that a certificate only be provided if it meets criteria you mention, and if a certificate is not located, a lesser charge (for the search) is payable. Although it is some years since I obtained a certificate other than using the local office, I did it by telephoning Southport - the young lady I spoke to at that time was extremely helpful. Stan L. Langley - West Norfolk U.K. Principal Interests; JICKLING; LANGLEY; RICHMOND; WAD(DE)LOW; W(H)ILLOCK. ----- Original Message ----- From: "xpn11" <xpn11@aol.com> To: "Nofolk list" <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 1:35 PM Subject: [NFK] Unofficial fostering > ...................................And is it possible to request a > certificate conditional on a specific > father's name, or does the fee cover the search as much as the > certificate? > TIA > Rosie -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 2938 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

Enjoy lasting success after loosing some pounds!. http://ger.org.br/com.page.php?iCID=65m7

....and here too: http://www.norfolkchurches.co.uk/stradsett/stradsett.htm ________________________________ From: Jenny Comben <davcom@tpg.com.au> To: norfolk@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, 1 September, 2011 14:23:33 Subject: Re: [NFK] Nurse - Wing - Parker Hi Sheila What is an estate church? Kind Regards Jenny -----Original Message----- From: Sheila WB [mailto:sheila.w_b@btinternet.com] Sent: Saturday, 20 August 2011 6:42 PM To: norfolk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NFK] Nurse - Wing - Parker Hi Jenny You also need to look at West Dereham, which is where at least one branch of the NURSE family settled. This isn't my family but West Dereham is one of my villages and that's where a Valentine NURSE lived (son of William & Jane). http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~tinstaafl/Church_Pages/dereham_west.htm Stradsett is an estate church and the PRs are not easily available. kind regards Sheila ________________________________ From: Jenny Comben <davcom@tpg.com.au> To: norfolk@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, 20 August, 2011 9:20:05 Subject: [NFK] Nurse - Wing - Parker I am tracing my family tree and are looking for the name Nurse. I have John Nurse born 1795 at Stradsett Norfolk. He married Ann. Two of their children are: Henry married Susan Colden (Colding?) and one of their children Aves married Jemima Nurse daughter of Alfred and Matilda (nee Wing) Alfred married Matilda Wing who is the daughter of James Wing and Susan Parker. Parker is my main line. I think John born 1795 may have had a brother Henry born 1796 who had a son Valentine and Valentine had a son Filber but i am not sure. If anyone can help it would be much appreciated. Kind Regards Jenny Comben Perth Australia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jenny Take a look here: http://www.stradsett.com/ kind regards Sheila ________________________________ From: Jenny Comben <davcom@tpg.com.au> To: norfolk@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, 1 September, 2011 14:23:33 Subject: Re: [NFK] Nurse - Wing - Parker Hi Sheila What is an estate church? Kind Regards Jenny -----Original Message----- From: Sheila WB [mailto:sheila.w_b@btinternet.com] Sent: Saturday, 20 August 2011 6:42 PM To: norfolk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NFK] Nurse - Wing - Parker Hi Jenny You also need to look at West Dereham, which is where at least one branch of the NURSE family settled. This isn't my family but West Dereham is one of my villages and that's where a Valentine NURSE lived (son of William & Jane). http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~tinstaafl/Church_Pages/dereham_west.htm Stradsett is an estate church and the PRs are not easily available. kind regards Sheila ________________________________ From: Jenny Comben <davcom@tpg.com.au> To: norfolk@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, 20 August, 2011 9:20:05 Subject: [NFK] Nurse - Wing - Parker I am tracing my family tree and are looking for the name Nurse. I have John Nurse born 1795 at Stradsett Norfolk. He married Ann. Two of their children are: Henry married Susan Colden (Colding?) and one of their children Aves married Jemima Nurse daughter of Alfred and Matilda (nee Wing) Alfred married Matilda Wing who is the daughter of James Wing and Susan Parker. Parker is my main line. I think John born 1795 may have had a brother Henry born 1796 who had a son Valentine and Valentine had a son Filber but i am not sure. If anyone can help it would be much appreciated. Kind Regards Jenny Comben Perth Australia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

fostering if when very young the child wouldnt have been aware of their circumstances A point covered in last night`s who do you think you are ----- Original Message ----- From: "xpn11" <xpn11@aol.com> To: "Nofolk list" <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 1:35 PM Subject: [NFK] Unofficial fostering > We might have gone over this before, so apologies if we have. > When ( post WW2) someone is married, is it an offence to give > incorrect details for entry on a marriage certificate. eg father's name > or even the correct name of those getting married? Would most people be > aware if it was and come clean with real names /correct father's name? > I am wondering if it is worth while bothering to buy a batch of > certificates to try to locate someone who was unofficially fostered, > when I am not sure if the person would have been raised with their birth > name or have unwittingly married under the name of the unofficial foster > parents. > And is it possible to request a certificate conditional on a specific > father's name, or does the fee cover the search as much as the > certificate? > TIA > Rosie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

We might have gone over this before, so apologies if we have. When ( post WW2) someone is married, is it an offence to give incorrect details for entry on a marriage certificate. eg father's name or even the correct name of those getting married? Would most people be aware if it was and come clean with real names /correct father's name? I am wondering if it is worth while bothering to buy a batch of certificates to try to locate someone who was unofficially fostered, when I am not sure if the person would have been raised with their birth name or have unwittingly married under the name of the unofficial foster parents. And is it possible to request a certificate conditional on a specific father's name, or does the fee cover the search as much as the certificate? TIA Rosie

Thanks David and Trish. Yes, this certainly sounds like a reasonable explanation. I'll look out for more examples of the same sort. Yours, John At 22:30 31/08/2011, you wrote: >Hi John, >Like David, I have come across the same situation on a number of occasions. >It seems to have occurred in the ones I've seen where the vicar of a parish >has died or is ill, and someone else handles ceremonies on his behalf. For >some reason, I've never found out why, it gets recorded in both the primary >parish and the visiting minister also records it in his own registers when >he returns home. >Cheers >Trish >Nowra NSW > >I think this is more likely a single event recorded twice - carried out by >the Rector of Thurlton in Norton and rightly recorded there, but then also >written up by him in his own register. I have seen this sort of double >recording where priests conducted marriages in parishes other than their >own. >David > >I would be interested to know if anyone else on the list has come >across similar occurrences, or can suggest a reason for the double baptism. >John Francis > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi John, Like David, I have come across the same situation on a number of occasions. It seems to have occurred in the ones I've seen where the vicar of a parish has died or is ill, and someone else handles ceremonies on his behalf. For some reason, I've never found out why, it gets recorded in both the primary parish and the visiting minister also records it in his own registers when he returns home. Cheers Trish Nowra NSW I think this is more likely a single event recorded twice - carried out by the Rector of Thurlton in Norton and rightly recorded there, but then also written up by him in his own register. I have seen this sort of double recording where priests conducted marriages in parishes other than their own. David I would be interested to know if anyone else on the list has come across similar occurrences, or can suggest a reason for the double baptism. John Francis

Browsing through parish registers at the Norfolk Heritage Centre today, looking for my WARNES ancestors, I came across an unexpected double baptism: Clara, daughter of Samuel and Sarah Warnes, was apparently baptised in both Norton Subcourse and Thurlton on 6th July 1868. In both cases, the ceremony was carried out by F.G.Goodwin, the Rector of Thurlton; in the case of Norton Subcourse he was of course described as "Officiating Minister". In the Norton Subcourse register, Samuel and Sarah are listed as resident in Norton Subcourse, but in the Thurlton register they are resident in Thurlton. The two villages are adjoining, and the churches are less than a mile apart. It may well be relevant that little Clara was buried in Norton Subcourse on 12th July 1868, this time by William Rimington, the Vicar of Norton. So perhaps Samuel and Sarah realised at the time of the baptisms that Clara was unlikely to survive. But why two baptisms? I would be interested to know if anyone else on the list has come across similar occurrences, or can suggest a reason for the double baptism. Regards, John Francis