On 2011/10/11 01:53, Peter Earl wrote: > Hello Ivan, > Ooops! -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg

Hello Ivan, Sorry I wasn't around when you called, it has been our Thanks Giving weekend so we were at the in-laws cottage helping to close up for the winter. I am kinda in and out most days. Once again sorry I missed you. Did you get hold of Clarice yet? Try contacting her daughter Nicola SMALLS at silver1@bigfoot.com Cheers Peter

Thank you to every one who replied with information regarding my plea for help, they did indeed confirm that John LAYMAN was dead and buried on 31st Aug 1710 Unfortunately it ends a promising lead in solving a brick wall regarding the parents of my 6th Great Grandfather John LAYMAN. Dave.

Hi Dave The Parish Registers of Diss 1551 - 1837 record that on 31 August 1710 John son of Hab: and Amy LAYMAN. Not sure about Hab: - might be short for Habakkuk. Roger -----Original Message----- From: norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Layman Sent: 08 October 2011 23:03 To: NORFOLK@rootsweb.com Subject: [NFK] John Layman Hello to all subscribers to this List, my name is Dave Layman and I'm returning to the list after a long absence, my research interest is the LAYMAN name. Please could any subscriber help with a look up to confirm or otherwise a burial in Diss of John Layman (b1710) and buried Aug 31st 1710, son of Habakkuk & Amy. Many thanks in anticipation. Dave. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The Diss registers are available on line - on one of the LDS websites. You can find them at familysearch.org The burial is on page 31 of the Diss PRs and the baptism on page 30. You need to look at the records for the years 1691-1729 Baps, Mars and Burials. It is wonderful to be able to see the actual entries on line now, rather than going to your nearest LDS Family History centre and renting the relevant film - which I have been doing for the past few years. Enjoy! Regards Elizabeth Pugh Whitehorse Yukon Canada

Hello to all subscribers to this List, my name is Dave Layman and I'm returning to the list after a long absence, my research interest is the LAYMAN name. Please could any subscriber help with a look up to confirm or otherwise a burial in Diss of John Layman (b1710) and buried Aug 31st 1710, son of Habakkuk & Amy. Many thanks in anticipation. Dave.

>From the Diss Parish registers printed by the NFHS 1987. Period 1551 - 1837 John LAYMAN baptised June 3rd 1710 son of Habakkuk & Amy LAYMAN. John LAYMAN buried Aug 31st, 1710 son of Hab: & Amy LAYMAN. Honor. Vanc. Island. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Layman" <david.layman@talktalk.net> To: <NORFOLK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 3:03 PM Subject: [NFK] John Layman > Hello to all subscribers to this List, my name is Dave Layman and I'm > returning to the list after a long absence, my research interest is > the LAYMAN name. > Please could any subscriber help with a look up to confirm or > otherwise a burial in Diss of John Layman (b1710) and buried Aug > 31st 1710, son of Habakkuk & Amy. > Many thanks in anticipation. > > Dave. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Gay, Not born in 1760, but married then. This suggests she could be a sister or cousin of your John. We both need to get back another generation (at least) to find out. I don't know how common the name Barker is in Norfolk. If it is very common there could be Johns and Elizabeths all over the place with no way to tell which is ours! Regards, Jim On 7 Oct 2011 at 8:34, Gay O'Neill wrote: > Hi Jim, > Unfortunately at this stage in my investigations I have do not have an > Elizabeth Barker born 1760. I tend to think that they most probably > are all related but it is being able to go back far enough then trace > each sibling and their children. I am back to a John Barker and Jane > Eggert John was born around 1730's but all the children were born in > Hoe. Warm regards Gay > > -----Original Message----- > From: norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim Fisher Sent: > Thursday, 6 October 2011 1:44 AM To: norfolk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: > [NFK] Barkers of East Dereham, Hoe Norwich > > Hi Gay, > > I have an Elizabeth Barker who married Edward Rippingale in Flitcham > in 1760. Could she be connected to your Barkers? I don't know where > she came from, but East Dereham isn't that far away from Flitcham. > > Regards, > > Jim Fisher > > From: "Gay O'Neill" <gayoneill@bigpond.com> > To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> > Date sent: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 11:29:09 +0800 > Subject: [NFK] Barkers of East Dereham, Hoe Norwich > Send reply to: norfolk@rootsweb.com > > > HI, > > We have recently returned from a trip to Norfolk and visited our > > Barkers villages of East Dereham, Hoe, Norwich. We stayed a few days > > and managed to get a church listing of burials of St Nicholas East > > Dereham for Barkers and also for the Dereham Cemetery for Barkers > > buried there after late 1860's when they stopped burying folks in > > the churchyard. I have started an ancestry Barkers of East Dereham > > so if there are others who want to connect and do not directly > > belong to my James Barker born Hoe 1809 and Sarah Munday born in > > Norwich then they can. I will apologise for the early Barkers as I > > do not know how they all connect or in fact if they are connected > > but I did have to just hand the different families for Barkers who > > may be related. I am hoping that eventually that can all be > > corrected. Please email me if you do have Barkers from East Dereham > > or surrounds in your tree as I may have their burial details. We > > also took a few photos of the church and a couple of interesting > > sights. I am happy to share those. Cheers Gay in Western Australia. > > PS loved Norfolk and staying in the area of the ancestors. We > > visited the abbey priory at Castle Acre wow that was spiritual. Pity > > about all the destruction of the place by Cromwell's lot! > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > My web site is now at http://www.jimella.me.uk Family history, > Gardening, > Humour, Politics and more ... > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- My web site is now at http://www.jimella.me.uk Family history, Gardening, Humour, Politics and more ...

Hi Jim, Unfortunately at this stage in my investigations I have do not have an Elizabeth Barker born 1760. I tend to think that they most probably are all related but it is being able to go back far enough then trace each sibling and their children. I am back to a John Barker and Jane Eggert John was born around 1730's but all the children were born in Hoe. Warm regards Gay -----Original Message----- From: norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim Fisher Sent: Thursday, 6 October 2011 1:44 AM To: norfolk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NFK] Barkers of East Dereham, Hoe Norwich Hi Gay, I have an Elizabeth Barker who married Edward Rippingale in Flitcham in 1760. Could she be connected to your Barkers? I don't know where she came from, but East Dereham isn't that far away from Flitcham. Regards, Jim Fisher From: "Gay O'Neill" <gayoneill@bigpond.com> To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Date sent: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 11:29:09 +0800 Subject: [NFK] Barkers of East Dereham, Hoe Norwich Send reply to: norfolk@rootsweb.com > HI, > We have recently returned from a trip to Norfolk and visited our > Barkers villages of East Dereham, Hoe, Norwich. We stayed a few days > and managed to get a church listing of burials of St Nicholas East > Dereham for Barkers and also for the Dereham Cemetery for Barkers > buried there after late 1860's when they stopped burying folks in the > churchyard. I have started an ancestry Barkers of East Dereham so if > there are others who want to connect and do not directly belong to my > James Barker born Hoe 1809 and Sarah Munday born in Norwich then they > can. I will apologise for the early Barkers as I do not know how they > all connect or in fact if they are connected but I did have to just > hand the different families for Barkers who may be related. I am > hoping that eventually that can all be corrected. Please email me if > you do have Barkers from East Dereham or surrounds in your tree as I > may have their burial details. We also took a few photos of the church > and a couple of interesting sights. I am happy to share those. Cheers > Gay in Western Australia. PS loved Norfolk and staying in the area of > the ancestors. We visited the abbey priory at Castle Acre wow that was > spiritual. Pity about all the destruction of the place by Cromwell's > lot! > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- My web site is now at http://www.jimella.me.uk Family history, Gardening, Humour, Politics and more ... ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Gail, Just a thought as it is in Hoe and you have not gone any further back ( I have not looked at the register to check yet) but is it possible your Jane is an Egglington or Eggleton or variation of that name found in the area rather than an Eggert John? I expect you found all the Barkers in Swanton Morley. Rosie On 07/10/2011 01:34, Gay O'Neill wrote: > Hi Jim, > Unfortunately at this stage in my investigations I have do not have an > Elizabeth Barker born 1760. I tend to think that they most probably are all > related but it is being able to go back far enough then trace each sibling > and their children. I am back to a John Barker and Jane Eggert John was born > around 1730's but all the children were born in Hoe. > Warm regards Gay > > -----Original Message----- > From: norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Jim Fisher > Sent: Thursday, 6 October 2011 1:44 AM > To: norfolk@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NFK] Barkers of East Dereham, Hoe Norwich > > Hi Gay, > > I have an Elizabeth Barker who married Edward Rippingale in Flitcham in > 1760. Could she be connected to your Barkers? I don't know where she came > from, but East Dereham isn't that far away from Flitcham. > > Regards, > > Jim Fisher > > From: "Gay O'Neill"<gayoneill@bigpond.com> > To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> > Date sent: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 11:29:09 +0800 > Subject: [NFK] Barkers of East Dereham, Hoe Norwich > Send reply to: norfolk@rootsweb.com > >> HI, >> We have recently returned from a trip to Norfolk and visited our >> Barkers villages of East Dereham, Hoe, Norwich. We stayed a few days >> and managed to get a church listing of burials of St Nicholas East >> Dereham for Barkers and also for the Dereham Cemetery for Barkers >> buried there after late 1860's when they stopped burying folks in the >> churchyard. I have started an ancestry Barkers of East Dereham so if >> there are others who want to connect and do not directly belong to my >> James Barker born Hoe 1809 and Sarah Munday born in Norwich then they >> can. I will apologise for the early Barkers as I do not know how they >> all connect or in fact if they are connected but I did have to just >> hand the different families for Barkers who may be related. I am >> hoping that eventually that can all be corrected. Please email me if >> you do have Barkers from East Dereham or surrounds in your tree as I >> may have their burial details. We also took a few photos of the church >> and a couple of interesting sights. I am happy to share those. Cheers >> Gay in Western Australia. PS loved Norfolk and staying in the area of >> the ancestors. We visited the abbey priory at Castle Acre wow that was >> spiritual. Pity about all the destruction of the place by Cromwell's >> lot! >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >

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Hi Gay, I have an Elizabeth Barker who married Edward Rippingale in Flitcham in 1760. Could she be connected to your Barkers? I don't know where she came from, but East Dereham isn't that far away from Flitcham. Regards, Jim Fisher From: "Gay O'Neill" <gayoneill@bigpond.com> To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Date sent: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 11:29:09 +0800 Subject: [NFK] Barkers of East Dereham, Hoe Norwich Send reply to: norfolk@rootsweb.com > HI, > We have recently returned from a trip to Norfolk and visited our > Barkers villages of East Dereham, Hoe, Norwich. We stayed a few days > and managed to get a church listing of burials of St Nicholas East > Dereham for Barkers and also for the Dereham Cemetery for Barkers > buried there after late 1860's when they stopped burying folks in the > churchyard. I have started an ancestry Barkers of East Dereham so if > there are others who want to connect and do not directly belong to my > James Barker born Hoe 1809 and Sarah Munday born in Norwich then they > can. I will apologise for the early Barkers as I do not know how they > all connect or in fact if they are connected but I did have to just > hand the different families for Barkers who may be related. I am > hoping that eventually that can all be corrected. Please email me if > you do have Barkers from East Dereham or surrounds in your tree as I > may have their burial details. We also took a few photos of the church > and a couple of interesting sights. I am happy to share those. Cheers > Gay in Western Australia. PS loved Norfolk and staying in the area of > the ancestors. We visited the abbey priory at Castle Acre wow that was > spiritual. Pity about all the destruction of the place by Cromwell's > lot! > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- My web site is now at http://www.jimella.me.uk Family history, Gardening, Humour, Politics and more ...

HI, We have recently returned from a trip to Norfolk and visited our Barkers villages of East Dereham, Hoe, Norwich. We stayed a few days and managed to get a church listing of burials of St Nicholas East Dereham for Barkers and also for the Dereham Cemetery for Barkers buried there after late 1860's when they stopped burying folks in the churchyard. I have started an ancestry Barkers of East Dereham so if there are others who want to connect and do not directly belong to my James Barker born Hoe 1809 and Sarah Munday born in Norwich then they can. I will apologise for the early Barkers as I do not know how they all connect or in fact if they are connected but I did have to just hand the different families for Barkers who may be related. I am hoping that eventually that can all be corrected. Please email me if you do have Barkers from East Dereham or surrounds in your tree as I may have their burial details. We also took a few photos of the church and a couple of interesting sights. I am happy to share those. Cheers Gay in Western Australia. PS loved Norfolk and staying in the area of the ancestors. We visited the abbey priory at Castle Acre wow that was spiritual. Pity about all the destruction of the place by Cromwell's lot!

In searching the 1848-1862 Burial Register for the Parish of Diss, Norfolk, I found these two COE individuals who I cannot connect to my tree. Perhaps they belong on someone elses tree. Elizabeth COE, buried Jun 26 1857; age 94 [page 61, No 2082] Jonas COE, buried Aug 1 1862; age 37 [page 94, No 2350] Dennis Taylor Looking for TAYLOR, COE, ROBINSON lines in Diss.

Rosie, I did wonder about this myself. Jan -----Original Message----- From: xpn11 Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 8:53 PM To: norfolk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NFK] 1777 Bunwell Inmates? I would think out- relief is the answer. This meant that although someone was officially in receipt of poorhouse/workhouse/almshouse benefits they could receive it whilst living in their home, or the home of a relative or employer possibly whilst doing very poorly paid work. Wasn't this just prior to the Speenhamland System and the problems and changes that led to ? Google the Poor Laws or out relief for more info Rosie On 02/10/2011 21:15, Jan Rockett wrote: > I have been looking at the 1777 census of Bunwell, compiled by the > incumbent > at the time. It is on Genuki. > http://www.origins.org.uk/genuki/NFK/places/b/bunwell/census1777.shtml > can someone tell me what an Inmate was at the time? > It would seem too many and too spread out for a workhouse. > I wondered if it could mean 'lodger'? > > Jan > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I would think out- relief is the answer. This meant that although someone was officially in receipt of poorhouse/workhouse/almshouse benefits they could receive it whilst living in their home, or the home of a relative or employer possibly whilst doing very poorly paid work. Wasn't this just prior to the Speenhamland System and the problems and changes that led to ? Google the Poor Laws or out relief for more info Rosie On 02/10/2011 21:15, Jan Rockett wrote: > I have been looking at the 1777 census of Bunwell, compiled by the incumbent > at the time. It is on Genuki. > http://www.origins.org.uk/genuki/NFK/places/b/bunwell/census1777.shtml > can someone tell me what an Inmate was at the time? > It would seem too many and too spread out for a workhouse. > I wondered if it could mean 'lodger'? > > Jan > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have been looking at the 1777 census of Bunwell, compiled by the incumbent at the time. It is on Genuki. http://www.origins.org.uk/genuki/NFK/places/b/bunwell/census1777.shtml can someone tell me what an Inmate was at the time? It would seem too many and too spread out for a workhouse. I wondered if it could mean 'lodger'? Jan

I would just like to say a big thank you to everyone who has replied to my request for advice. It was a complicated question and some of you are taking the trouble to look up information I already have. So as not to cause any further confusion, I will tell you what I already know. If anyone can fill in the gaps I would really appreciate it. Starting with my direct ancestors - Joseph Spink and Sarah Williamson who were married on 5 Feb 1823 in Aylsham. Before they married, Sarah had at least three illegitimate children. John , Baptised on 12 Apr 1819 - Mother's name, Sarah Wilmerson. Joseph, Baptised on 3 Dec 1820 - Mother's name, Sarah Wilderson. Anne, Baptised on 15 Sep 1822 - Mother's name Sarah Williamson. On 24 April 1842 Anne, Now calling herself Ann Spink Williamson marries Robert Spink whose family came from Burgh which is just up the road. Strangely enough, the Marriage Certificate does not show Anne's Father, the space is left blank. As a minor, she would need her parents permission to marry, so that is another mystery. Robert and Ann now go on to have four children who are listed on the 1851 census. I cannot find Baptism records for the first two, Sarah Ann aged 10 and Charlotte aged 6. Now we get to the real confusion. Elizabeth, age 4. There is a corresponding BMD Birth record in 1847 and an Aylsham Baptism record for 7 Feb 1847, Father Robert Spink, although the Mother is shown as "Sarah". This would match the age given in the 1851 census. The last child is Hannah, age 2. Again, there is a BMD Birth record in 1849 and a Baptism record for 29 April 1849, Parents, Robert and "Ann" Spink. Above it there is a Baptism record for Elizabeth Spink, same date, same parents. There is also a BMD Birth record for Elizabeth Spink in 1849. Under Elizabeth's name in the 1849 Baptism record is the date 7 Feb 1847. So the question is, are we dealing with 2 Elizabeths, born to different parents, or is it the same Elizabeth who somehow seems to have been registered and Baptised twice with the Mother's name being incorrectly entered in the first record? If it is a different Elizabeth, why is the Baptism date of the first Elizabeth written into the record of the second? If it is the same Elizabeth, why was she Baptised and registered a second time? I think I have a headache!!!

Richard, Charles GRIX, son of Benjamin GRIX of Marsham married Elizabeth SPINK, daughter of Robert SPINK of Bugh on 27 September 1871 at Burgh Next Alysham. This couple have at least 7 children baptised in the same parish. There are some very rare wooden grave markers for this family (the only ones I have seen in this part of Norfolk). One branch of the family marries into the CRASKE family of Sheringham. Bertha GRIX, the grand daughter of Charles and Elizabeth, worked in Sheringham with my grandmother as drapers as young women in the 1920s. Hope this helps, Regards, Rowland -----Original Message----- From: symonds3 Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 11:32 PM To: norfolk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NFK] Looking for a Spink Marriage in Aylsham Hi Richard, Burgh-next-Aylsham is only 3kms from Aylsham, so a fairly good guess you have the right person. FreeREG has her as Elizabeth SPINK, baptised 7 February 1847 at Aylsham, parents Robert/Sarah. It doesn't help, but there is an online tree for this couple with 4 children - Elizabeth's details are very sketchy though - http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/l/e/w/Margaret-Lewer/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0269.html FreeREG has the childrens' baptisms listed, but mother's maiden name isn't given. Charles Grix is shown as born 1851 in Marsham. There is some activity on this name on Ancestry - http://boards.ancestry.com.au/surnames.grix/3.1/mb.ashx Memorial at Burgh next Aylsham for Elizabeth GRIX, died 29 January 1925 aged 75 years, beloved wife of Charles - http://epitaphorigins.info/Zburgh.htm Cheers Trish Nowra NSW > I have a family member called Elizabeth SPINK. Born 7 Feb 1847 in > Aylsham. I am trying to > find a marriage for her Using the possible surnames of spouses in FMP I > did an 1881 > census search and came up with one possible, married to Charles Grix > (the 1871 record). She gives her birth place as Burgh next Aylsham which > isn't right but everything else matches. > Richard Spink ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just to make things even more complicated. The Aylsham Parish Baptism Register shows: 7 Feb 1847. Elizabeth D. of Robert & Sarah Spink. The Aylsham Parish Baptism Register shows: 29 Apr 1849. Elizabeth D. of Robert & Ann Spink. Underneath Elizabeth's name is the date 7 Feb 1847. FreeREG records this date as the date of birth which is a reasonable assumption. There is also a Baptism for Elizabeth's Sister Hannah on 29 April 1849 There is a BMD Birth record for Elizabeth Spink in 1847 and another one in 1849. It is a strange coincidence if the second Elizabeth is born on the same day that the first one is Baptised. I have heard of children being Baptised twice but not registered twice. And the Mother's names are different. I wonder what is going on? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hello everybody I have a family member called Elizabeth SPINK. Born 7 Feb 1847 in Aylsham. Not a direct ancestor just filling in some gaps. I am trying to find a marriage for her and I am stuck. There are two possible ones in the BMDs in 1871 and 1875. Unfortunately, neither of them appear in the Aylsham Parish Register so I cannot identify the correct one, assuming either of them are. I cannot find her in the 1871 census and the 1871 marriage is registered in Jul-Sep quarter so she should appear in her maiden name. Using the possible surnames of spouses in FMP I did an 1881 census search and came up with one possible, married to Charles Grix (the 1871 record). She gives her birth place as Burgh next Aylsham which isn't right but everything else matches. There are a couple of other Elizabeth Spinks registered a few years earlier but that would make the ages on the census wrong.