Thanks Honor. Even though I'm not a native Norfolker I admit to a tear and smile at that great news. An honour well deserved by the building itself and those who worked hard on and for the reconstruction. Muriel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Honor" <honorable1@shaw.ca> To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2011 12:56 PM Subject: [NFK] Gt. Yarmouth St. Nicholas Church renamed a Minister > >From the Yarmouth Mercury. www.greatyarmouthmercury.co.uk > > The new full title for St Nicholas Church is The Minster Church of St > Nicholas, Great Yarmouth. > > The short write-up about the history is quite good. > Honor. Vanc. Island. > >

Hello, My Maternal Grandfather appears to have been born in Portsmouth, Hampshire on March 22, 1872 taken from a wartime form. He indicated his mothers maiden name as Annie Tye. I have found no records of him. He died in Vancouver 1947. Ken Williams -----Original Message----- From: Gail Lewis Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2011 12:36 PM To: norfolk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NFK] Interested in anyone researching CUSTANCE-STOREY,LIVOCK-STOREY, RANT, TOWNSHEND, PRIOR etc all in/around Norwich Hello: I am descended from William Rant b. abt 1801, married to Sarah. Children were Sarah (abt. 1828), George (1830), Joseph (1833) and Harriet (1836). My great-grandfather was James William Rant Overed, b.1869, son of Sarah Rant and Walter Overed. Any connection? Gail Lewis Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane Milbourne" <jane.milbourne@ntlworld.com> To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 8:02 AM Subject: Re: [NFK] Interested in anyone researching CUSTANCE-STOREY,LIVOCK-STOREY, RANT, TOWNSHEND, PRIOR etc all in/around Norwich > Hi David > > I descend from Thomas RANT born Heigham 1762. > > Jane > > -----Original Message----- > From: norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On > Behalf Of David Cullingford > Sent: 03 December 2011 15:03 > To: NORFOLK@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NFK] Interested in anyone researching CUSTANCE-STOREY, > LIVOCK-STOREY, RANT, TOWNSHEND, PRIOR etc all in/around Norwich > > Hi > > I'm currently researching around the Norwich area? I'm interested in > connecting with anyone researching the same families/surnames. > > John Prior (B circa 1755) married Lydia (surname?) around 1773 > John Custance (b1765) married Lydia Prior (b1774) in 1794 > Timothy Townshend (B circa 1775) married Elizabeth Rant (b1773 Heigham) in > 1795 > Jonathan Custance (b1805 Heigham) married Mary Townshend (b1803, Heigham) > in > ? > Elizabeth Ellinor Custance (b1828 Heigham) married William Livock Storey > (b1822 Norwich) in 1846 (they moved to Newmarket before returning to St > Paul > s, Norwich). > John Custance Storey (b1855 Norwich) married Charlotte Ann Howman (b1848 > Lakenham) in 1878 > > I have a lot more info in the tree, these are just my direct line going > back > to 5 times great grandparents. > > If these are in your family tree then please get in touch. I know the > Custances are a notable family from the area. I'm not after lookups and I > ve access to most records including freereg, LDS etc > > Regards > > David > > > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Text inserted by Panda IS 2012: This message has NOT been classified as spam. If it is unsolicited mail (spam), click on the following link to reclassify it: http://localhost:6083/Panda?ID=pav_2225&SPAM=true&path=C:\Windows\system32\config\systemprofile\AppData\Local\Panda%20Security\Panda%20Internet%20Security%202012\AntiSpam ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hello: I am descended from William Rant b. abt 1801, married to Sarah. Children were Sarah (abt. 1828), George (1830), Joseph (1833) and Harriet (1836). My great-grandfather was James William Rant Overed, b.1869, son of Sarah Rant and Walter Overed. Any connection? Gail Lewis Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane Milbourne" <jane.milbourne@ntlworld.com> To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 8:02 AM Subject: Re: [NFK] Interested in anyone researching CUSTANCE-STOREY,LIVOCK-STOREY, RANT, TOWNSHEND, PRIOR etc all in/around Norwich > Hi David > > I descend from Thomas RANT born Heigham 1762. > > Jane > > -----Original Message----- > From: norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On > Behalf Of David Cullingford > Sent: 03 December 2011 15:03 > To: NORFOLK@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NFK] Interested in anyone researching CUSTANCE-STOREY, > LIVOCK-STOREY, RANT, TOWNSHEND, PRIOR etc all in/around Norwich > > Hi > > I'm currently researching around the Norwich area? I'm interested in > connecting with anyone researching the same families/surnames. > > John Prior (B circa 1755) married Lydia (surname?) around 1773 > John Custance (b1765) married Lydia Prior (b1774) in 1794 > Timothy Townshend (B circa 1775) married Elizabeth Rant (b1773 Heigham) in > 1795 > Jonathan Custance (b1805 Heigham) married Mary Townshend (b1803, Heigham) > in > ? > Elizabeth Ellinor Custance (b1828 Heigham) married William Livock Storey > (b1822 Norwich) in 1846 (they moved to Newmarket before returning to St > Paul > s, Norwich). > John Custance Storey (b1855 Norwich) married Charlotte Ann Howman (b1848 > Lakenham) in 1878 > > I have a lot more info in the tree, these are just my direct line going > back > to 5 times great grandparents. > > If these are in your family tree then please get in touch. I know the > Custances are a notable family from the area. I'm not after lookups and I > ve access to most records including freereg, LDS etc > > Regards > > David > > > > >

>From the Yarmouth Mercury. www.greatyarmouthmercury.co.uk The new full title for St Nicholas Church is The Minster Church of St Nicholas, Great Yarmouth. The short write-up about the history is quite good. Honor. Vanc. Island.

Good morning Rosemary, I am now convinced that Robert was illegitimate and is not directly related to Sir Robert Walpole, as my niece-in-law's family believed. I suppose having the surname Walpole they would like think they were. Maybe, way back before Sir Robert all the Walpoles in Norfolk would have a common ancestor. >From information recently sent to me, if the Mary Walpole mention maybe Robert's mother, then she did marry later on. It also appears she had another illegitimate son Henry, before she married. However, this has to be worked through to see if all the dots line up. Cheers Janice Belrose - Sydney ----- Original Message ----- From: "rosemary frost" <rosemaryfrostuk@yahoo.co.uk> To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [NFK] NORFOLK Digest, Vol 6, Issue 385 > WALPOLES OF NORFOLK (Janice Doughty) > > > Hi Janice > > I wonder if you could find his mother, Mary Walpole, on any of the early > censuses? If you can pin down where and when she was born then you can > check if there was a Mary Walpole baptised at that place and time - then > the likelihood would be that he was illegitimate. At least then you would > have a Walpole line to follow again? Will have a look myself if I get > time. > > Good luck Rosie (Frost) > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Thank you Jean for this information. I am plodding along and think with all the help, suggestions and sharing of family research, we maybe be getting close to solving Robert's line. Fingers crossed. I will follow up on your suggestions and see what I find. Cheers Janice Belrose - Sydney ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Greenwood" <jeangreenwood@virginmedia.com> To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 9:25 PM Subject: Re: [NFK] WALPOLES OF NORFOLK > Hello Janice > > To find out Mary Walpole's 'condition' you really need to see the original > PR entry > which is not as easy as it sounds. The original registers were stolen in > the 1960s > and the only records remaining covering 1828 are the BTs. These are > available online > at Familysearch > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-14848-37048-25?cc=1823613&wc=9020285 > but this does mean plowing through each page from T onwards and no > guarantee that Walpole st P > will be there. > > The NRO does have a copy of BTs if you you want to pay a researcher or if > some local person > is feeling magnanimous! > > Good luck > Jean > >

Isnt Walpole one of the Marshland parishes that are under Ely and not in the Arcdeaconry of Norfolk? The Terringtons and Tilney are not there either. I thought that was why most of the filmed records of parishes west of the river are not on Family Search. No idea if NRO holds them, perhaps they might be accessed at Cambridgeshire Record Office or from their web site Be very glad to hear that I am wrong and they are online somewhere. Rosie On 10/12/2011 00:34, Janice Doughty wrote: > Thank you Jean for this information. I am plodding along and think with all > the help, suggestions and sharing of family research, we maybe be getting > close to solving Robert's line. Fingers crossed. I will follow up on your > suggestions and see what I find. > > Cheers > Janice > Belrose - Sydney > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jean Greenwood"<jeangreenwood@virginmedia.com> > To:<norfolk@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 9:25 PM > Subject: Re: [NFK] WALPOLES OF NORFOLK > > >> Hello Janice >> >> To find out Mary Walpole's 'condition' you really need to see the original >> PR entry >> which is not as easy as it sounds. The original registers were stolen in >> the 1960s >> and the only records remaining covering 1828 are the BTs. These are >> available online >> at Familysearch >> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-14848-37048-25?cc=1823613&wc=9020285 >> but this does mean plowing through each page from T onwards and no >> guarantee that Walpole st P >> will be there. >> >> The NRO does have a copy of BTs if you you want to pay a researcher or if >> some local person >> is feeling magnanimous! >> >> Good luck >> Jean >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good afternoon Listers, I must apologise that is has taken more time to get back to everyone to thank them so much for all the wonderful information and suggestions on researching the Walpole family. Please accept my gratitude to all of you, who took they time the assist me. I have been spending days entering all the information into Family Tree Maker and on the way, exploring those who married into the family and their history. Once you start branching off, you can go on for ever, ending up on twigs on the branches. It becomes so interesting, not only finding extended family, but where they lived and then looking up the village or town they came from. I have covered in Australia the Miscamble family, Eva Victoria Beatrice Miscamble married John Thomas Walpole, the Gall family, Mary Ann Gall married John Thomas's Walpole's father John Walpole in 1877 in Wisbeach. The Bridges family, Catherine Mary Bridges married John Walpole's father Robert, in 1852 in Salthouse in Norfolk. We know that Robert Walpole was born in 1828 in Walpole, Norfolk and that is where we come to a full stop. If below is the birth of Robert, there is no father mentioned. Family Search has a baptism in Walpole St Peter for Robert Walpole on 27 Jan 1828 mother Mary Walpole - no father given. Then these are the questions. Is Mary a Widow or separated from a Walpole? If so, why has she not given the father's name? Or is Mary a Walpole and had Robert out of Wedlock? Until we can break down this brickwall, this is as far as I can go. Can anyone give any suggestions how to move on from here? Again, I really enjoyed the input, whcih was given to my enquiry, especially describing the places that came up, where the families were living. One day my husband and I will definitely visit the UK to walk in the footsteps of the Ancestors. We have so many places to go, Manchester my husband's convict and my Nadin family (yes, Joseph Nadin of Peterloo fame is my ggg grandfather). Also, Lancaster Castle (ancestor tried and imprisoned there before transportation), Clothe Fair and Middle Street in London, The Old Bailey (another rellie tried there), Newgate prison (where they were held with their two young children), then Eling, Farlington, Purbrook, Portsmouth, Portsea and The Great Hall in Winchester (another ancestor tried there) in Hampshire. Terrington St Clements Ryburg, Walpole, Wymondham in Norfolk and then off to Scotland to trace the McDonalds, Lamonts and the Buchannans and then Eyre, where my convicts hail from. Lots of places to see on our Bucket List. Cheers Janice Belrose - Sydney

Richard: It certainly is about more than the genes and, I think, that is why we do it. I began about twenty years ago when my father died without telling me much of anything about his origins and, in fact, obfuscating and making up a good deal which I have been trying to unravel. In the process, I have learned a great deal about the geography and history of England, met some wonderful people, some of whom are related and generally enjoyed the process. I have discovered, for instance, with the help of a distant cousin, that my ggg-gf, Edward Layton, produced three litters. His first wife produced four sons before she died, most probably in childbirth. He then took up with his first cousin, Sarah Browne, my ggg-gm. They never married and, hence, their two sons carried their mother's surname, which is why it is mine, also. Without genetic testing, I would never have known for sure that Edward was my ggg-grandfather. Edward subsequently moved on to wife number two and produced two daughters and a son by her. In 1820, Edward was convicted of stealing coal from a wherry transporting it from Gt. Yarmouth up to Norwich (it had put in for the night at his inn on the river Yare). He was subsequently shipped off to OZ for the better part of ten years and returned to Cantley shortly before his death. He lies in the Cantley churchyard between his wife and daughter. My wife and I have made the journey to visit him and other relatives in Halvergate and surrounding area, something which I surely would not have been prompted to do without my genealogical searches. My wife, who is the more accomplished genealogist, has traced her matrilineal line back 17(!) generations when our granddaughters are included, so I have a ways to go to match her. At the same time, my investigations have uncovered some truly heart-breaking situations, so one must be prepared for that as well. Nevertheless, such things are just as important, if not more so, as the genes. Cheers, Tod ================================================================================ I have been at it for nearly a year now, and it was all started when I retired and my wife gave me a genealogy tree maker program with a free (short) subscription to Ancestry. Now, I am not claiming it is 100% good - there are some software "bugs" in it still, and things happen in history it can't sope with. For example, in the past, when a child was unlikely to survive, or who had already died young, it was quite common for the parents to neme a subsequent child with exactly the same name. The tree maker software can link husbands/wives to the dead child, using only the name as reference. The only way round this is to delete the child reconnect the husband or whatever to the adult Then reenter the child info. If using this software my advice (with hindsight!) would be to keep several, smaller trees with different branches kept separate. It is a can of something; not always worms. I have found three first cousins living in the UK that I had no idea about! I also found that my ancestors from Gunton Hall were close to the king of the time and also found little snippits of information about their kindnesses to the poor etc. I think it is about more than DNA. It is certainly teaching me a lot about history that I didn't learn at school. (I was terrible at history partly because it wasn't about real people.) My wife, on the other hand, is, being a writer, setting her family tree down in a series of historical novels, so there is more than one way to "skin a cat" Anyway - good luck with your decision. Richard

 WALPOLES OF NORFOLK (Janice Doughty)   Hi Janice   I wonder if you could find his mother, Mary Walpole, on any of the early censuses?  If you can pin down where and when she was born then you can check if there was a Mary Walpole baptised at that place and time - then the likelihood would be that he was illegitimate.  At least then you would have a Walpole line to follow again?   Will have a look myself if I get time.   Good luck  Rosie (Frost)

Hello Janice To find out Mary Walpole's 'condition' you really need to see the original PR entry which is not as easy as it sounds. The original registers were stolen in the 1960s and the only records remaining covering 1828 are the BTs. These are available online at Familysearch https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-14848-37048-25?cc=1823613&wc=9020285 but this does mean plowing through each page from T onwards and no guarantee that Walpole st P will be there. The NRO does have a copy of BTs if you you want to pay a researcher or if some local person is feeling magnanimous! Good luck Jean On 9 December 2011 02:03, Janice Doughty <adoughty01@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > Good afternoon Listers, > > I must apologise that is has taken more time to get back to everyone to > thank them so much for all the wonderful information and suggestions on > researching the Walpole family. Please accept my gratitude to all of you, > who took they time the assist me. I have been spending days entering all > the > information into Family Tree Maker and on the way, exploring those who > married into the family and their history. Once you start branching off, > you > can go on for ever, ending up on twigs on the branches. It becomes so > interesting, not only finding extended family, but where they lived and > then > looking up the village or town they came from. > > I have covered in Australia the Miscamble family, Eva Victoria Beatrice > Miscamble married John Thomas Walpole, the Gall family, Mary Ann Gall > married John Thomas's Walpole's father John Walpole in 1877 in Wisbeach. > The > Bridges family, Catherine Mary Bridges married John Walpole's father > Robert, in 1852 in Salthouse in Norfolk. We know that Robert Walpole was > born in 1828 in Walpole, Norfolk and that is where we come to a full stop. > > If below is the birth of Robert, there is no father mentioned. > > Family Search has a baptism in Walpole St Peter for Robert Walpole on 27 > Jan > 1828 mother Mary Walpole - no father given. > > Then these are the questions. Is Mary a Widow or separated from a Walpole? > If so, why has she not given the father's name? Or is Mary a Walpole and > had Robert out of Wedlock? Until we can break down this brickwall, this is > as far as I can go. Can anyone give any suggestions how to move on from > here? > > Again, I really enjoyed the input, whcih was given to my enquiry, > especially > describing the places that came up, where the families were living. One > day > my husband and I will definitely visit the UK to walk in the footsteps of > the Ancestors. We have so many places to go, Manchester my husband's > convict and my Nadin family (yes, Joseph Nadin of Peterloo fame is my ggg > grandfather). Also, Lancaster Castle (ancestor tried and imprisoned there > before transportation), Clothe Fair and Middle Street in London, The Old > Bailey (another rellie tried there), Newgate prison (where they were held > with their two young children), then Eling, Farlington, Purbrook, > Portsmouth, Portsea and The Great Hall in Winchester (another ancestor > tried > there) in Hampshire. Terrington St Clements Ryburg, Walpole, Wymondham in > Norfolk and then off to Scotland to trace the McDonalds, Lamonts and the > Buchannans and then Eyre, where my convicts hail from. Lots of places to > see > on our Bucket List. > > Cheers > Janice > Belrose - Sydney > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Lisa   I did have his email address - will see if I can find it, email him and see if mine bounces back.  Will be in touch   Rosie

I have been at it for nearly a year now, and it was all started when I retired and my wife gave me a genealogy tree maker program with a free (short) subscription to Ancestry. Now, I am not claiming it is 100% good - there are some software "bugs" in it still, and things happen in history it can't sope with. For example, in the past, when a child was unlikely to survive, or who had already died young, it was quite common for the parents to neme a subsequent child with exactly the same name. The tree maker software can link husbands/wives to the dead child, using only the name as reference. The only way round this is to delete the child reconnect the husband or whatever to the adult Then reenter the child info. If using this software my advice (with hindsight!) would be to keep several, smaller trees with different branches kept separate. It is a can of something; not always worms. I have found three first cousins living in the UK that I had no idea about! I also found that my ancestors from Gunton Hall were close to the king of the time and also found little snippits of information about their kindnesses to the poor etc. I think it is about more than DNA. It is certainly teaching me a lot about history that I didn't learn at school. (I was terrible at history partly because it wasn't about real people.) My wife, on the other hand, is, being a writer, setting her family tree down in a series of historical novels, so there is more than one way to "skin a cat" Anyway - good luck with your decision. Richard In a message dated 08/12/2011 15:34:24 GMT Standard Time, fluxion@roadrunner.com writes: Dave: Yes, quite a can of worms, but you are not alone. Many of us are the result of some unorthodox behavior on the part of our ancestors. My advice is to write it all down and pass it on to your descendants in hopes that the information will not be lost. How to keep the records in a genealogy database is a problem because the software does not deal very well with such variations from the norm. Nevertheless, I think it is important to preserve the genetic trail. We are just beginning to be able to establish such genetic links and I think they will become more important as time goes on. Establishing such evidence at this time may be very important to those who come after. The story of how you figured out what you have may also be extremely interesting as often these things tend to be covered up or lost as generations pass. Cheers, Tod Brown Maine, USA ============================================================================ ===== I'd like the benefit of the List's advice on how best to arrange my family data of which I have amassed a good deal. My GGGGM, Elizabeth Tennant nee Thompson husband died in 1818 aged 30 something. They had produced six children since their marriage in 1808 of which only one was living at the time of his death. I have his predecessors going back to about 1650. Now after he died, Elizabeth had two more children in E Dereham in 1821 and 1822. It would seem the father was a Robert Sadler and he seems to have been, for a while at least, her "toy boy" being still a teenager at this time He disappears and I think I have him located on the 1851 census though I have not put too much effort into this. Elizabeth later marries a widower, Ambrose Last, in L Ellingham in 1825. Later in 1839 and 1840 Elizabeth's daughter, going under the name of Charlotte Sadler Tennant, has 2 children, baptised James Tennant and Mary Ann Tennant. In 1842 Charlotte marries James Skitmore in L Ellingham and the marriage record shows her father as the aforementioned Robert Sadler. I am 99.9% certain that this James is the father of James and Mary Ann Tennant. James Tennant becomes my GGGGF. All this means that I have none of the original Tennant DNA going back to the 1600s. So now the question: Do I bias my tree more towards the Thompson line( thanks to another List member I do have this data) or do I also include or abandon the Tennants before 1818? The Skitmore line also is included of course. What a can of worms this genealogy opens!!!!! Dave ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

much obliged! Lisa On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 5:42 AM, rosemary frost <rosemaryfrostuk@yahoo.co.uk>wrote: > Hi Lisa > > I did have his email address - will see if I can find it, email him and > see if mine bounces back. Will be in touch > > Rosie > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dave: Yes, quite a can of worms, but you are not alone. Many of us are the result of some unorthodox behavior on the part of our ancestors. My advice is to write it all down and pass it on to your descendants in hopes that the information will not be lost. How to keep the records in a genealogy database is a problem because the software does not deal very well with such variations from the norm. Nevertheless, I think it is important to preserve the genetic trail. We are just beginning to be able to establish such genetic links and I think they will become more important as time goes on. Establishing such evidence at this time may be very important to those who come after. The story of how you figured out what you have may also be extremely interesting as often these things tend to be covered up or lost as generations pass. Cheers, Tod Brown Maine, USA ================================================================================= I'd like the benefit of the List's advice on how best to arrange my family data of which I have amassed a good deal. My GGGGM, Elizabeth Tennant nee Thompson husband died in 1818 aged 30 something. They had produced six children since their marriage in 1808 of which only one was living at the time of his death. I have his predecessors going back to about 1650. Now after he died, Elizabeth had two more children in E Dereham in 1821 and 1822. It would seem the father was a Robert Sadler and he seems to have been, for a while at least, her "toy boy" being still a teenager at this time He disappears and I think I have him located on the 1851 census though I have not put too much effort into this. Elizabeth later marries a widower, Ambrose Last, in L Ellingham in 1825. Later in 1839 and 1840 Elizabeth's daughter, going under the name of Charlotte Sadler Tennant, has 2 children, baptised James Tennant and Mary Ann Tennant. In 1842 Charlotte marries James Skitmore in L Ellingham and the marriage record shows her father as the aforementioned Robert Sadler. I am 99.9% certain that this James is the father of James and Mary Ann Tennant. James Tennant becomes my GGGGF. All this means that I have none of the original Tennant DNA going back to the 1600s. So now the question: Do I bias my tree more towards the Thompson line( thanks to another List member I do have this data) or do I also include or abandon the Tennants before 1818? The Skitmore line also is included of course. What a can of worms this genealogy opens!!!!! Dave

I'd like the benefit of the List's advice on how best to arrange my family data of which I have amassed a good deal. My GGGGM, Elizabeth Tennant nee Thompson husband died in 1818 aged 30 something. They had produced six children since their marriage in 1808 of which only one was living at the time of his death. I have his predecessors going back to about 1650. Now after he died, Elizabeth had two more children in E Dereham in 1821 and 1822. It would seem the father was a Robert Sadler and he seems to have been, for a while at least, her "toy boy" being still a teenager at this time He disappears and I think I have him located on the 1851 census though I have not put too much effort into this. Elizabeth later marries a widower, Ambrose Last, in L Ellingham in 1825. Later in 1839 and 1840 Elizabeth's daughter, going under the name of Charlotte Sadler Tennant, has 2 children, baptised James Tennant and Mary Ann Tennant. In 1842 Charlotte marries James Skitmore in L Ellingham and the marriage record shows her father as the aforementioned Robert Sadler. I am 99.9% certain that this James is the father of James and Mary Ann Tennant. James Tennant becomes my GGGGF. All this means that I have none of the original Tennant DNA going back to the 1600s. So now the question: Do I bias my tree more towards the Thompson line( thanks to another List member I do have this data) or do I also include or abandon the Tennants before 1818? The Skitmore line also is included of course. What a can of worms this genealogy opens!!!!! Dave

Does anyone out in cyberspace have my cousin John Tansell's e-mail. He lives in Australia. A mutual cousin is trying to get in touch with him and the e-mail that I have bounced back. RESEARCHING: GIRDLESTONE, GIRLING, HEWETT, BETTS, PROUDFOOT, HUNT, FULLER, GIRDLER Thanks in advance Lisa

Thanks Bob...I am open to any suggestions to relieve the frustration! Rebecca's parents, John and Ann Bunting (Mindham) lived in Terrington SC. I have the baptism of Henry at Terrington also with Rebecca and William Neep-presumably the birth father documented. When Rebecca married George WARD in 1861, they resided next door to the Bunting parents at roman Bank, Terrington SC. And Henry in the 1861 census was with these grandparents so very sure they were in TSC all of this time. Thanks again, Dianne On 6/12/11 12:20 AM, "Bob Rust" <robert.rust@ukgateway.net> wrote: > Where did Rebecca's Mum live. > In London it was common for young women to go home to Mum for a birth. > Just a thought. > > Bob > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dianne Feldtmann" <difeldt@mcmedia.com.au> > To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 8:00 PM > Subject: Re: [NFK] WARD > > >> Thank you Elizabeth for all this information. What I need to prove now is >> which of these Henrys has a mother Rebecca Bunting. I would have thought >> my >> Henry would have been born in Terrington SC but of course cannot always >> assume. >> In the 1871 census, my Henry is still living with his mother Rebecca, his >> step father, George, and his five half siblings, George, John, Amy, >> Elizabeth and Thomas at Roman Bank, Terrington SC. This is the last I >> have >> any information on him. >> >> Regards, >> Di >> >> >> On 5/12/11 12:25 AM, "elizabeth howard" <elizgh@btinternet.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi, starting with the known facts , Ernest`s birth >>> registration is in the Wisbech district ,in July 1881 . >>> There is a further birth of an Ernest Ward in the Wisbech >>> dist >>> in Jan 1882 and a death in April 1882 . There is a Florence Ward birth >>> registered in Apl 1883 and a death in the same month and year both in >>> Wisbech . >>> Henry Ward married Alice Amelia Wright in Yarmouth in the Dec >>> 1/4 of 1878 , vol 4 b p 52 . >>> The 1901 census for West End, Caister next Yarmouth has Henry >>> Ward , m , 45, horseman on farm , b Acle , wife Alice, 46, b Filby , son >>> Ernest , 19, labourer on farm , b Gt Yarmouth , Herbert, 17, labourer on >>> farm , b Gt Yarmouth , Florence, 16, housemaid, b Gt Yarmouth . In the >>> 1881 census for Trmouth , South Denes Rd , Henry Ward, head, marr, 26, >>> general carter , b Acle , Alice Amelia Ward, wife , 27 , b Filby , and >>> Ethel >>> A Ward, dau , unm, 1 , b Yarmouth . In the 1891 census they are living >>> in >>> Toft Monks, Hery Ward, m , 38, horseman , crossed out , agricultural >>> labourer, b Acle , Alice A , wife , 37 b Filby , Ethel E A Ward, 8, b >>> Yarmouth , Herbert E , son , 7, b Yarmouth , Florence A , dau , 6, b >>> Yarmouth . >>> In the 1871 , Henry Ward is a live in servt , unm, 16, farm >>> serv, b Acle , in the household of William Case , farmer at Southwood , >>> and >>> three households away is a Maria Ward, head, widow, 74, pauper , b >>> Bradstone >>> . This Henry Ward was indexed as Henn Ward, b abt 1855 , Elele , >>> Norfolk . >>> In the 1861 census for Acle Henry Ward, head, marr, 29, ag lab , b >>> Strumpshaw, wife Elizabeth , aged 27, b Lingwood , Henry Ward, son , 5, b >>> Tunstall , William Ward, 2 , b Acle . >>> There is a family tree on Ancestry which confirms these >>> linked >>> census details , and the first Henry is b 1832 Strumpshaw , parents >>> Richard >>> and Maria Ward, and wife Elizabeth Wright . Therefore the Maria Ward >>> widow in the 1871 census living near to Henry would be his grandmother >>> widow >>> of Richard Wood . And whilst Wright is not an uncommon name it is >>> interesting to think that Henry married Alice Amelia Wright and had an >>> Elizabeth Wright for his mother . >>> Ward is a very populous surname and the coincidentally named >>> Wisbech family may not be any relation perhaps . >>> >>> >>> >>> life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Dianne Feldtmann" <difeldt@mcmedia.com.au> >>> To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 12:13 AM >>> Subject: Re: [NFK] WALPOLES OF NORFOLK >>> >>> >>>> Hello Norfolk Listers, >>>> Could someone please do a look up for me for Henry Ward-and his wife >>>> Alice >>>> living perhaps at Wisbech about 1880. They had 4 children-Ernest >>>> (b.1881), >>>> Herbert (b.1883), Alice (b. 1884) and Florence (b. 1885) I have no >>>> proof >>>> myself that these birth dates of the children are accurate. This is the >>>> best information I have seen for years in trying to locate Henry WARD, >>>> b. >>>> 1856 to Rebecca Bunting and William Neep who I do not believe were ever >>>> married. Rebecca married George WARD in 1861. They resided at Roman >>>> Bank, >>>> Terrington St Clement for at least the 1871 census. >>>> Would welcome any help with this. I have just visited Norfolk but did >>>> not >>>> have any details of Henry's life after 1871. >>>> Regards >>>> Di >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Dianne Feldtmann >>>> Dookie, Australia >>>> Researching >>>> WARD, BUNTING -Norfolk >>>> FORD, ALLMAN -Cheshire >>>> WARD, Lincolnshire >>>> JAMES, Bristol >>>> WYNN(E), Staffordshire >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in >>> the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Lesley and Listers, Yes, it appears that Catherine was indeed known as Mary also. I am now setting up FTM and will start entering all the wonderful information that Listers have sent me over the past few days. I still have not caught up with everything, which has been sent, so if I have not yet responded to some who have sent information, I will be into the research again on Wednesday. Off to a birthday lunch celebration tomorrow. Everyone has been so helpful and I very much appreciate it. I have found all the input so very interesting. Our greatest regret is we have not yet flown over the pond, to walk in the footsteps of our Ancestors. We have a book put together by one of my husband's cousins on the Doughty side of the family, which she has called "The Man from The Fens" about Robert Nicholas Doughty and she includes beautiful photographs she took on her visit to The Old Dart, visiting the villages and towns in Norfolk were the Doughtys and the Burchams once lived, married and raised their families. She ends up in Portsea in Hampshire, where the gg grandparents ran "The George Public House" and where their great grandparents sailed from back in 1876, to thier new life Down Under. Referring back to this wonderful research my husband's cousin did, so many years ago, it again stirs up the longing to visit our Roots in the UK and also Eyre, where my lot come from and they did arrive below deck in chains. Though hubby does not escape with no convicts, he has three of them all from England. So the trip over to "the Mother Country" and Ireland is for sure on the top of our "Bucket List". Cheers Janice Belrose - Sydney ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley Day" <lesley.day@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com>; <adoughty01@optusnet.com.au> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 11:29 PM Subject: RE: [NFK] WALPOLES OF NORFOLK > Hi Janice > > Robert obviously married Catherine Mary Bridges as discussed offline as > here > they are in the 1881 Census >

Just wanted to say a very big THANKYOU to everyone who helped with the search of the Irish records. The person I am helping is very vague, so I am not persuing that line of research any further. If ever there was a baby then I guess it was born elsewhere, possibly Norfolk and not registered. Thanks again - you lot are great! Sandie ======================================== Message Received: Nov 26 2011, 05:13 PM From: "sandie slater" To: norfolk@rootsweb.com Cc: Subject: [NFK] Ancestry research. Hello Listers, I believe that some of my Norfolk ancestors went to Galway in Ireland and had a baby boy between 1930 and 1935. Although I am subscribed to Ancestry, I cannot access the Irish records without paying again. If there is anyone with the full subscription and would be willing to do a search for me, could you please contact me off-list. Many thanks, Sandie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message