I have discovered a new name attached to my family: one NEVE, Matthew Baring b about 1837 who m. Mary Ann KNIGHTS 13 June 1858 (I suspect that his sister also married Richard her brother in about 1860) Mary Ann married George Myhill BROWN on 18th October 1862. I can find nary a peep about Mathew Baring after the marriage. Itis also intriguing that George also had a previous marriage to Jane GODDARD on 9th June 1859.... Having had fun with my GATES / CREW ancestors I'm beginning to wonder about people from Great Yarmouth. In all seriousness, I would be grateful for anyideas where to go with this. I know that there are trees around that have Mary Ann down as someone completely different..... so I want to be a rigorous as possible. All happiness for 2012. David -- Please note that this e-mail and any files transmitted with it may be privileged, confidential, and protected from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this communication or any of its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message and then delete this message, any attachments, and all copies and backups from your computer.

The images are online on FamilySearch. The BT's are a royal pain to browse because they are in year sequence, not parish. Here's a link ... https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Fapi.familysearch.org%2Frecords%2Fcollection%2F1823613%2Fwaypoints If this doesn't work go down to "Browse by Location" > Europe > then enter Norfolk in the search box. Rosemary On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 6:38 PM, Betty <familyflood@live.com> wrote: > Thank you so much for answering my query Rosemary. I have checked the > Parish registers and Archdeacons Transcripts but did not realise that > there > were Bishops transcripts as well Would I have to check through my family > history centre? > > Kind regards, > Betty > Sydney Australia > > -----Original Message----- > From: norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On > Behalf Of Rosemary Jones > Sent: Monday, 16 January 2012 10:57 AM > To: norfolk@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NFK] MY BRICK WALL > > Betty, > > Did you check the Archdeacons Transcripts and Bishops transcripts as well > as the parish registers? Sometimes the vicar just pulled a page out of the > parish register and sent it off to the archdeacon or bishop instead of > copying it out. I've found people in these that were missing from the > original register. > > Rosemary > > On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 5:16 PM, Betty <familyflood@live.com> wrote: > > > G'day > > > > > > > > Hope that some kind person can advise me as to how to break down my brick > > wall My gg grandfather, Richard HOWARD married Elizabeth BUSH in > > Great > > Fransham in 1835 and they then within that year sailed for Australia so > > cannot obtain Richard's birth place from any census (I already know all > > about Elizabeth's ancestors) > > > > > > > > My question is this - there was a family of HOWARD's, Robert & his > wife > > Sarah (nee POWLEY) living in Great Fransham since at least 1803 when > they > > were married there. I have found children born to them but cannot > find > > a Richard. I have a huge suspicion though that he was their son as > > Henry also came out to Australia and settled in Bega NSW as did Richard > and > > his son Thomas. Henry named one of his sons Richard and both Thomas > > and Richard also have children with same names. > > > > > > > > Richard's death certificate in Australia does not given me any > information > > either as to which town he was born in Norfolk. His first wife died in > > 1848 at Jerrawa Creek near Yass and he later remarried and died in Albury > > in > > 1877. His second wife apparently did not even know his childrens' > names > > let alone his place of birth. > > > > > > > > I suspect that he would have been born around 1815 > > > > > > > > I would be very grateful for any hints to find out if he was indeed > Robert > > & > > Sarah's son even though I have looked through the Parish Registers of > Great > > Fransham and Little Fransham and can't find any mention of him. > > > > > > > > Kind regards, > > > > > > > > Betty Flood > > > > familyflood@live.com > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Betty, Did you check the Archdeacons Transcripts and Bishops transcripts as well as the parish registers? Sometimes the vicar just pulled a page out of the parish register and sent it off to the archdeacon or bishop instead of copying it out. I've found people in these that were missing from the original register. Rosemary On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 5:16 PM, Betty <familyflood@live.com> wrote: > G'day > > > > Hope that some kind person can advise me as to how to break down my brick > wall My gg grandfather, Richard HOWARD married Elizabeth BUSH in > Great > Fransham in 1835 and they then within that year sailed for Australia so > cannot obtain Richard's birth place from any census (I already know all > about Elizabeth's ancestors) > > > > My question is this - there was a family of HOWARD's, Robert & his wife > Sarah (nee POWLEY) living in Great Fransham since at least 1803 when they > were married there. I have found children born to them but cannot find > a Richard. I have a huge suspicion though that he was their son as > Henry also came out to Australia and settled in Bega NSW as did Richard and > his son Thomas. Henry named one of his sons Richard and both Thomas > and Richard also have children with same names. > > > > Richard's death certificate in Australia does not given me any information > either as to which town he was born in Norfolk. His first wife died in > 1848 at Jerrawa Creek near Yass and he later remarried and died in Albury > in > 1877. His second wife apparently did not even know his childrens' names > let alone his place of birth. > > > > I suspect that he would have been born around 1815 > > > > I would be very grateful for any hints to find out if he was indeed Robert > & > Sarah's son even though I have looked through the Parish Registers of Great > Fransham and Little Fransham and can't find any mention of him. > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Betty Flood > > familyflood@live.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Do they live in Kings Lynn, St Margaret, Kings Lynn St Margaret, or St Margaret Kings Lynn? I run into this minor problem in most of the major towns and cities and am trying to be consistent. Many thanks, Rosemary

Hi, My STARLING's come from Banningham and then to Aylsham in 1820ish where my branch stayed and the last died there around the 1960's. Another branch went to Lancashire and another to Great Yarmouth and one of that lot went to Kent. My grandmother - a STARLING who married William KEABLE of Horning came to Australia in 1926. She left behind her twin sister and 2 other sisters and her parents who she never saw again. Marg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Fry" <fredbonzo@iafrica.com> To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [NFK] A reminder to check all sources! CHAPMAN/STARLING andBARBER > On 2012/01/14 00:54, Marg Keable wrote: > >> My JARMY family tended to stay in Halesworth whilst my >> STARLINGs flew around Norfolk only. > > I've stumbled across a small flock of STARLINGs in my researches. They're > only > an adjunct to my main ancestors, so haven't been thoroughly researched. > > I have a William Henry Markby(?) STARLING from Blakeney in the north of > the > county, and one of his descendants, Walter John, one of whom married an > Augusta > PLUMB, whose family I have yet to tie in with my other, more interesting > PLUMBs > from further along the coast at Wiveton. > > -- > Regards, > Mike Fry > Johannesburg > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi again, I have talked to my friend, Elizabeth Witham again and she tells me that her main interest is in finding links to the Witham family. So, don't worry about Woodhouse, but if you ever come across a stray Witham, please let me know! Best wishes from a very snowy, extremely cold Alberta! Joyce.

The next update of the FreeREG database will include a transcription of the birth/baptism and death/burial records of the Chaplain of the House of Industry at Heckingham. These are completely preserved with no apparent gaps from 1767 onwards in the Bishops Transcripts for Norfolk Archdeaconry, and the transcription for FreeREG covers 1767 to 1838. There are 2200 deaths or burials (the records vary) and more than half of these are for people aged over 60, including 3 individuals aged over 100. Clearly, many older poor people ended their days here if they did not have other family members capable of looking after them.  The 842 births and baptisms include the children of many single mothers as might be expected, but also those of a large number of married couples. Clearly these records could explain a lot of apparent gaps in family trees for this part of Norfolk. It is a pity that the registers for other workhouses are not so readily available. The place or origin (i.e. of legal settlement and parish liability) of each individual is usually recorded, and these include Aldeby, Ashby, Bedingham, Bergh Apton, Brooke, Broome, Burgh St. Peter, Carleton, Chedgrave, Claxton, Ditchingham, Ellingham, Geldestone, Gillingham, Haddiscoe, Hales, Hardley, Heckingham, Hedenham, Howe, Kirby Cane, Kirstead, Langley, Loddon, Mundham, Norton Subcourse, Raveningham, Seething, Sisland, Stockton, Thorpe next Haddiscoe, Thurlton, Thurton, Thwaite, Toft Monks, Topcroft, Woodton and Yelverton. No lookups, sorry - you will have to wait patiently for the update. David

Hi Scott, The Archdeacons Transcripts are just transcripts. I would hazard a guess that the transcriber left off the "2" from the 23 Aug 1789 and wrote 3 Aug 1789 also putting it down as birth instead of baptism. That's just my 2c guess. Rosemary On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 11:04 AM, mime <mykinmik@yahoo.com> wrote: > Hoping someone might be able to help me understand FamilySearch Indexes. > Searching for Matthew Alexander, born in Norfolk 1789, father Joseph, 2 > entries come up. One for the christening on 23 Aug 1789 and one for a > birth on 3 Aug 1789. Puzzled by why only a birth would be recorded, I > looked up the Source Film (#1526854) and find it is the film for > 'Archdeacons transcripts for Norwich, 1600-1812'. A search of the > transcripts finds my Matthew A on page 4, All Saints. But only the > Christening date is given. > Hoping someone might be able to explain why Archdeacons Transcripts would > contain only a birth when not accompanied by a christening or burial or > might this index have slipped in a patrons contribution, but not noted it. > Looking forward to some help, > Scott B > Canada > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, Sorry I have deleted your original and my reply so am lost as to what I said or you said etc !!! life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce Ream" <jmream@shaw.ca> To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 1:48 AM Subject: [NFK] Witham and Woodhouse. > > Hi Elizabeth, thank you for the information you posted. I am sure that > this is the correct family, and I put my question on the site for my > friend Elizabeth Witham whose late husband, Harold Witham, was the son of > the Alfred John Witham born in 1906. > > Joyce Ream./ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

On 2012/01/14 00:54, Marg Keable wrote: > My JARMY family tended to stay in Halesworth whilst my > STARLINGs flew around Norfolk only. I've stumbled across a small flock of STARLINGs in my researches. They're only an adjunct to my main ancestors, so haven't been thoroughly researched. I have a William Henry Markby(?) STARLING from Blakeney in the north of the county, and one of his descendants, Walter John, one of whom married an Augusta PLUMB, whose family I have yet to tie in with my other, more interesting PLUMBs from further along the coast at Wiveton. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg

Hoping someone might be able to help me understand FamilySearch Indexes.  Searching for Matthew Alexander, born in Norfolk 1789, father Joseph, 2 entries come up.  One for the christening on 23 Aug 1789 and one for a birth on 3 Aug 1789.  Puzzled by why only a birth would be recorded, I looked up the Source Film (#1526854) and find it is the film for 'Archdeacons transcripts for Norwich, 1600-1812'.  A search of the transcripts finds my Matthew A on page 4, All Saints.  But only the Christening date is given.  Hoping someone might be able to explain why Archdeacons Transcripts would contain only a birth when not accompanied by a christening or burial or might this index have slipped in a patrons contribution, but not noted it. Looking forward to some help, Scott B Canada

Well, I have some other great ones also: My STRANGE people lived on the Norfolk/ Suffolk border (I get very excited when people put STRANGE in the heading but it ususally doesn't refer to the surname) as did my LAST and RISING families. My JARMY family tended to stay in Halesworth whilst my STARLINGs flew around Norfolk only. As far as KEABLE goes my grandfather pronouced it CABLE so you could do something with it! Marg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paddy Apling" <e.c.apling@btinternet.com> To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 12:18 AM Subject: Re: [NFK] A reminder to check all sources! CHAPMAN /STARLING andBARBER >I do hope the following does not offend you Marg - but I could not keep the > punny (not sic - there's another pun !!) joke to myself..... > > You could write quite a tale with your ancestors' names - about the > MEEN female chased by the RANT male who at the same time was trying to > escape from the RACKHAM landlord. [see UK newspapers of the 1950s for > RACKHAM landlordism of run-down dwellings in inner cities] > > I have not been able to join the KEABLEs into the tale, but surely > you could ?! > > Am I the only one to see the hidden puns in the serious contribution > below? > > Paddy > http://apling.freeservers.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On > Behalf Of Marg Keable > Sent: 12 January 2012 11:42 PM > To: norfolk@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NFK] A reminder to check all sources! CHAPMAN / STARLING > andBARBER > > On one of my lines where a MEEN female married a RANT male, the RANT > male's > father had left a will under the aegis of RANT alias RACKHAM. It turned > out > the very well to do RANT in Mendham had a mistress-a Rackham and she had 5 > children to him. > In her will he was called her ' very esteemed friend'. To cut a long > story > short, Her eldest son switched to RANT and his children were RANTs etc. > Her liason must have been accepted because her father left her money in > his > will. I am not sure whether the 'very esteemed friend' also had a hand in > their children's future. > > I also have my furtherest back KEABLE married a Rebecca LAND alias SCOT. > I > haven't found anything out about that situation though. > > Both the abovementioned instaces occurred in Suffolk but their descendants > ended up in Norfolk so it is relevant. > > Marg > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jane Milbourne" <jane.milbourne@ntlworld.com> > To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 12:20 AM > Subject: Re: [NFK] A reminder to check all sources! CHAPMAN / STARLING > andBARBER > > >> Hi Carol >> >> whilst transcribing for freereg I quite often come across "X alias Y". >> I can't give you a definitive reason, but I wonder whether you might >> find more Starlings further back, if you keep searching! >> >> best wishes, Jane >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On >> Behalf Of JohnASaul@aol.com >> Sent: 11 January 2012 21:04 >> To: norfolk@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [NFK] A reminder to check all sources! CHAPMAN / STARLING and >> BARBER >> >> While going through some old notebooks and checking I'd entered >> everything on my database, I ended up looking again at John BARBER >> [b.c.1838] who I'd been told had 3 wives and I have marriage >> certificates for 2 and 3. I took >> >> at look at the Norfolk records now on Familysearch and found wife >> number >> 1 >> - bingo! I then took another look at wife number 2, Lucy CHAPMAN, >> b.c.1839, who married John BARBER at West Dereham in 1864. >> >> I had not found Lucy prior to 1851 when she was aged 12 and living >> with her family. >> >> In 2004 I bought the birth certificate for Lucy's illegitimate >> daughter, Anna Elizabeth CHAPMAN, born at West Dereham in 1858. I'm >> not sure why but >> >> I looked for Anna Elizabeth's baptism on Familysearch and there she was. >> But the interesting thing is that in the baptismal register Lucy's >> name is given as "Lucy CHAPMAN otherwise STARLING". That has now >> given me the >> 1841 >> >> census where the family name is STARLON. I then thought that maybe >> Lucy's parents had died and she'd gone to live with relatives but the >> Norfolk baptisms also gave me another child of Lucy's parents where >> the surname of father and child is given as "CHAPMAN commonly called >> STARLING". I wonder why! >> Of course, one mystery solved is another created! And I also wonder >> why the name of STARLING didn't make it to the birth certificate - >> presumably it was deemed to be unnecessary. >> >> My thanks to the wonderful people at Familysearch. There's no way I >> would ever have had an opportunity to check those registers without >> this facility. >> >> Carol >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi I'm looking for baptism of Sarah Gilbert born circa 1851 and also George Gilbert born circa 1857. George Gilbert founded the Hippodrome at Yarmouth, (family) rumour has it that Sarah was related. Anyone have either of these individuals in their tree? Thanks David

I found the following advertisement in the Ipswich Journal for Sat. June 29th 1872. Mary (Mrs Richard) CLARKE was my 3 x great-grandmother. Her Will had required the family properties to be sold so it was interesting to find further descriptive information on them. Could I ask anyone with local knowledge whether there is any likelihood that these three cottages are still standing today? I realise that they could only be identified by a connection to the names of the Occupiers. One of the cottages may have been attached to a mill at some point because Richard had been a miller. Thank you! Diane J. Burgh Castle near Great Yarmouth in the County of Suffolk To be sold by auction by Frederick Maddison By direction of the executors of the late Mrs Richard CLARKE, deceased, at the Star Hotel, Great Yarmouth, on Wednesday 10th July 1872 at Four for Five O’Clock in the afternoon, in three lots, the following very desirable property: Lot 1 Substantially built brick and tiled cottage in the occupation of Thomas COCKRILL, situate on the North Side of the Low Street, in Burgh with good and well planted garden containing 1r 7p. Tithe Rent Charge 1s 6d. Lot 2 A similar built brick and tiled cottage also situated on the North Side of the Low Street, in Burgh in the occupation of Charles BURRAGE with good and well planted garden containing 1r 6p. Tithe Rent Charge 1s 6d. Lot 3 A brick and tiled cottage near the Four Crossways leading to Burgh Low Street, in the occupation of Mrs PEARSON, containing with good garden 0r 13p. The above Lots are Copyhold of the Manor of Burgh Castle. Further particulars may be obtained upon application to Mr T M BAKER, solicitor, Great Yarmouth; or the auctioneer, Herringfleet, and Hall Quay, Great Yarmouth

Hi again, Elizabeth. I just noticed that you said that there is more, and as these are definitely my friend's family, I would appreciate it if you would send anything else you have. Sorry, I skipped that piece of your message! Joyce.

Hi Elizabeth, thank you for the information you posted. I am sure that this is the correct family, and I put my question on the site for my friend Elizabeth Witham whose late husband, Harold Witham, was the son of the Alfred John Witham born in 1906. Joyce Ream./

This entry for Sarah Ann may help. 1851 census LDS cd. As the father was a coastguard member he could also have a link to Yarmouth perhaps, where other coastguard members would be stationed. Honor. Vanc. Island. Head: GILBERT, Barnaby Neighbors 208537 Name Relationship Mar Age Sex Occupation Birthplace Barnaby GILBERT Head M 36 M Commsd. Boatman C. G. Service Lymington-Hants Ann GILBERT Wife M 37 F 13505 Christchurch-Hants Emma GILBERT Daur - 7 F Scholar Lymington-Hants Julia GILBERT Daur - 4 F Scholar at Home Lymington-Hants Sarah Ann GILBERT Daur - 1 F Scholar at Home Wells-Norfolk Address: Dogger Lane, Walsingham Union Census Place: Wells Next Sea Walsingham Union, Norfolk PRO Reference: HO/107/1826 Folio: 723 Page: 16 FHL Film: 0207481 ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Cullingford" <d.cullingford@ntlworld.com> To: <NORFOLK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 2:40 PM Subject: [NFK] GILBERT, Norwich and surrounding parishes (perhaps Reedham),1850-1860 > Hi > > I'm looking for baptism of Sarah Gilbert born circa 1851 and also George > Gilbert born circa 1857. > > George Gilbert founded the Hippodrome at Yarmouth, (family) rumour has it > that Sarah was related. Anyone have either of these individuals in their > tree? > > Thanks > > David > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I do hope the following does not offend you Marg - but I could not keep the punny (not sic - there's another pun !!) joke to myself..... You could write quite a tale with your ancestors' names - about the MEEN female chased by the RANT male who at the same time was trying to escape from the RACKHAM landlord. [see UK newspapers of the 1950s for RACKHAM landlordism of run-down dwellings in inner cities] I have not been able to join the KEABLEs into the tale, but surely you could ?! Am I the only one to see the hidden puns in the serious contribution below? Paddy http://apling.freeservers.com -----Original Message----- From: norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Marg Keable Sent: 12 January 2012 11:42 PM To: norfolk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NFK] A reminder to check all sources! CHAPMAN / STARLING andBARBER On one of my lines where a MEEN female married a RANT male, the RANT male's father had left a will under the aegis of RANT alias RACKHAM. It turned out the very well to do RANT in Mendham had a mistress-a Rackham and she had 5 children to him. In her will he was called her ' very esteemed friend'. To cut a long story short, Her eldest son switched to RANT and his children were RANTs etc. Her liason must have been accepted because her father left her money in his will. I am not sure whether the 'very esteemed friend' also had a hand in their children's future. I also have my furtherest back KEABLE married a Rebecca LAND alias SCOT. I haven't found anything out about that situation though. Both the abovementioned instaces occurred in Suffolk but their descendants ended up in Norfolk so it is relevant. Marg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane Milbourne" <jane.milbourne@ntlworld.com> To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 12:20 AM Subject: Re: [NFK] A reminder to check all sources! CHAPMAN / STARLING andBARBER > Hi Carol > > whilst transcribing for freereg I quite often come across "X alias Y". > I can't give you a definitive reason, but I wonder whether you might > find more Starlings further back, if you keep searching! > > best wishes, Jane > > -----Original Message----- > From: norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On > Behalf Of JohnASaul@aol.com > Sent: 11 January 2012 21:04 > To: norfolk@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NFK] A reminder to check all sources! CHAPMAN / STARLING and > BARBER > > While going through some old notebooks and checking I'd entered > everything on my database, I ended up looking again at John BARBER > [b.c.1838] who I'd been told had 3 wives and I have marriage > certificates for 2 and 3. I took > > at look at the Norfolk records now on Familysearch and found wife > number > 1 > - bingo! I then took another look at wife number 2, Lucy CHAPMAN, > b.c.1839, who married John BARBER at West Dereham in 1864. > > I had not found Lucy prior to 1851 when she was aged 12 and living > with her family. > > In 2004 I bought the birth certificate for Lucy's illegitimate > daughter, Anna Elizabeth CHAPMAN, born at West Dereham in 1858. I'm > not sure why but > > I looked for Anna Elizabeth's baptism on Familysearch and there she was. > But the interesting thing is that in the baptismal register Lucy's > name is given as "Lucy CHAPMAN otherwise STARLING". That has now > given me the > 1841 > > census where the family name is STARLON. I then thought that maybe > Lucy's parents had died and she'd gone to live with relatives but the > Norfolk baptisms also gave me another child of Lucy's parents where > the surname of father and child is given as "CHAPMAN commonly called > STARLING". I wonder why! > Of course, one mystery solved is another created! And I also wonder > why the name of STARLING didn't make it to the birth certificate - > presumably it was deemed to be unnecessary. > > My thanks to the wonderful people at Familysearch. There's no way I > would ever have had an opportunity to check those registers without > this facility. > > Carol > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, there is a family tree for this group on Ancestry which shows Ellen Jane Woodhouse , dau of John and Ellen (Betts) Woodhouse, b Buxton , Apl 1882 , who married George HORACE Witham in 1901 at Norwich , and had George Witham 1903 and Alfred John in 1906 . They departed Liverpool in Feb 1925 for Canada . Ellen`s father John Woodhouse was born in 1861 at Buxton , married Ellen Betts in 1880 at Aylsham . His father was also a John Woodhouse b 1830. The tree gives William John Witham 1848 - 1906 as the father of George Horace Witham . If that sounds likely there is more . life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce Ream" <jmream@shaw.ca> To: <NORFOLK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 10:04 PM Subject: [NFK] Witham and Woodhouse > Hi, > I am trying to find the ancestors of Alfred John Witham, who was born in > Aylsham, Norfolk on July 25, 1906. He was the son of George Charles > Witham and Ellen Jane Woodhouse. Ellen was born in Buxton, Norfolk on > April 12, 1882. The family apparently lived in Buxton, Norfolk, as they > had a son, also named George Charles Witham , born 6th August 1906 in > Buxton, and who died in 1918 from influenza. > > I realize that this is very little information, but I'm hoping that > someone will recognise the names Witham, or Woodhouse, and perhaps we can > find a connection > > Thank You > > Joyce Ream, > Alberta, Canada. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

On one of my lines where a MEEN female married a RANT male, the RANT male's father had left a will under the aegis of RANT alias RACKHAM. It turned out the very well to do RANT in Mendham had a mistress-a Rackham and she had 5 children to him. In her will he was called her ' very esteemed friend'. To cut a long story short, Her eldest son switched to RANT and his children were RANTs etc. Her liason must have been accepted because her father left her money in his will. I am not sure whether the 'very esteemed friend' also had a hand in their children's future. I also have my furtherest back KEABLE married a Rebecca LAND alias SCOT. I haven't found anything out about that situation though. Both the abovementioned instaces occurred in Suffolk but their descendants ended up in Norfolk so it is relevant. Marg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane Milbourne" <jane.milbourne@ntlworld.com> To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 12:20 AM Subject: Re: [NFK] A reminder to check all sources! CHAPMAN / STARLING andBARBER > Hi Carol > > whilst transcribing for freereg I quite often come across "X alias Y". I > can't give you a definitive reason, but I wonder whether you might find > more > Starlings further back, if you keep searching! > > best wishes, Jane > > -----Original Message----- > From: norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On > Behalf Of JohnASaul@aol.com > Sent: 11 January 2012 21:04 > To: norfolk@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NFK] A reminder to check all sources! CHAPMAN / STARLING and > BARBER > > While going through some old notebooks and checking I'd entered everything > on my database, I ended up looking again at John BARBER [b.c.1838] who I'd > been told had 3 wives and I have marriage certificates for 2 and 3. I > took > > at look at the Norfolk records now on Familysearch and found wife number > 1 > - bingo! I then took another look at wife number 2, Lucy CHAPMAN, > b.c.1839, who married John BARBER at West Dereham in 1864. > > I had not found Lucy prior to 1851 when she was aged 12 and living with > her family. > > In 2004 I bought the birth certificate for Lucy's illegitimate daughter, > Anna Elizabeth CHAPMAN, born at West Dereham in 1858. I'm not sure why > but > > I looked for Anna Elizabeth's baptism on Familysearch and there she was. > But the interesting thing is that in the baptismal register Lucy's name > is > given as "Lucy CHAPMAN otherwise STARLING". That has now given me the > 1841 > > census where the family name is STARLON. I then thought that maybe > Lucy's > parents had died and she'd gone to live with relatives but the Norfolk > baptisms also gave me another child of Lucy's parents where the surname > of > father and child is given as "CHAPMAN commonly called STARLING". I > wonder > why! > Of course, one mystery solved is another created! And I also wonder why > the name of STARLING didn't make it to the birth certificate - presumably > it was deemed to be unnecessary. > > My thanks to the wonderful people at Familysearch. There's no way I > would > ever have had an opportunity to check those registers without this > facility. > > Carol > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >