Hi , Ancestry has a family tree with Alfred John in it , son of George Horace b 1881, and Ellen Jane Woodhouse, b 1882 . The tree owner is Mark Moore of Melbourne, Victoria , Australia . I have sent him an email with your email address and asked him to contact you . life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce Ream" <jmream@shaw.ca> To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 5:30 PM Subject: [NFK] Witham > Hi Elizabeth, All I have on the Withams is; > Alfred John Witham, born 1906/07/25 in Aylsham Norfolk > > His father was > > George Chales Witham, born 1902/08/06 > in Buxton, Norfolk > > His father was > > George Charles Witham, with no details. > > Pretty vague isn't it? If there is a Tree, I would be delighted to hear > what it contains > > Thanks, > > Joyce > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks Rosie, Nothing that looks likely there.... David On 17 January 2012 12:24, xpn11 <xpn11@aol.com> wrote: > Wikipedia has a Timeline of the British Army 1800-1899 which gives dates > of involvement. > ( Also for other centuries) > Rosie > > On 17/01/2012 11:40, David Mills wrote: > > I know it's not the "done thing" to reply to one's own posts but I feel I > > should keep you informed. > > > > I eventually found Matthew Baring NEVE on Family Search. he was > registered > > as father of Sarah Ann KNIGHTS NEVE and entered as Matthew *Boring > *NEVE. > > It also turns out that his spouse Mary Ann KNIGHTS was not blood > relative > > but my step GG Grandmother....Jane GODDARD was my natural GG g'mother. > > > > Although there is no need to pursue Matthew ((not so) Boring) Baring I > > cannot help but wonder what happened to him..... Beware of side tracks. > > > > Were there any military conflicts around 1860 ?...History brain is fuzzy. > > > > David > > > > > > On 15 January 2012 22:03, David Mills<david.mills001@googlemail.com> > wrote: > > > >> I have discovered a new name attached to my family: one NEVE, Matthew > >> Baring b about 1837 who m. Mary Ann KNIGHTS 13 June 1858 (I suspect that > >> his sister also married Richard her brother in about 1860) > >> Mary Ann married George Myhill BROWN on 18th October 1862. > >> > >> I can find nary a peep about Mathew Baring after the marriage. > >> > >> Itis also intriguing that George also had a previous marriage to Jane > >> GODDARD on 9th June 1859.... > >> > >> Having had fun with my GATES / CREW ancestors I'm beginning to wonder > >> about people from Great Yarmouth. > >> > >> In all seriousness, I would be grateful for anyideas where to go with > this. > >> > >> I know that there are trees around that have Mary Ann down as someone > >> completely different..... so I want to be a rigorous as possible. > >> > >> All happiness for 2012. > >> > >> David > >> > >> > >> -- > >> > >> Please note that this e-mail and any files transmitted with it may be > >> privileged, confidential, and protected from disclosure under > >> applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended > >> recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this > >> message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that > any > >> reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of > this > >> communication or any of its attachments is strictly prohibited. > If > >> you have received this communication in error, please notify the > >> sender immediately by replying to this message and then delete > this > >> message, any attachments, and all copies and backups from your > >> computer. > >> > >> > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Please note that this e-mail and any files transmitted with it may be privileged, confidential, and protected from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this communication or any of its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message and then delete this message, any attachments, and all copies and backups from your computer.

Thanks, Elizabeth. I'll let you know if I hear from Mark Moore. -Joyce.

Oh, that is good to know... I am trying to confirm that my Jamestown ancestor came from Norfolk, and records show the following: [Flud, Fludd]Flood, John, came to Virginia in 1610, his wife Margaret in 1620; in 1616 was one of Re. Alexander Whitakers men at Charles City, living at Jordan's Jouney in 1625; burgess for Flower Dewe Hundred in 1630 for Westover, Flower Dewe Hundred and Weyanoke in 1632 [Flowerdew Hundred was named after the Flowerdewe's of Hethersett (20 miles from Great Fransham, according to Google maps)] On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 1:31 PM, Betty <familyflood@live.com> wrote: > Yes she was from Great Fransham - her parents were married there too and > also her FLOOD grandparents farmed there.   Thank you so much for the advice > Kind regards > Betty > > -----Original Message----- > From: norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Stephanie Ray > Sent: Tuesday, 17 January 2012 2:09 AM > To: norfolk@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NFK] MY BRICK WALL > > Was Elizabeth BUSH's family from Great Fransham, Betty? > > If so, that may explain why the couple married there (not because it > was Richard's parish). > > On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 3:16 PM, Betty <familyflood@live.com> wrote: >> G'day >> >> >> >> Hope that some kind person can advise me as to how to break down my brick >> wall      My gg grandfather, Richard HOWARD  married Elizabeth BUSH in > Great >> Fransham in 1835 and they then within that year sailed for Australia so >> cannot obtain Richard's birth place from any census (I already know all >> about Elizabeth's ancestors) >> >> >> >> My question is this   - there was a family of HOWARD's,  Robert & his wife >> Sarah (nee POWLEY)  living in Great Fransham since at least 1803 when they >> were married there.      I have found children born to them but cannot > find >> a Richard.      I have a huge suspicion though that he was their son as >> Henry also came out to Australia and settled in Bega NSW as did Richard > and >> his son Thomas.       Henry named one of his sons Richard and both Thomas >> and Richard also have children with same names. >> >> >> >> Richard's death certificate in Australia does not given me any information >> either as to which town he was born in Norfolk.    His first wife died in >> 1848 at Jerrawa Creek near Yass and he later remarried and died in Albury > in >> 1877.    His second wife apparently did not even know his childrens' names >> let alone his place of birth. >> >> >> >> I suspect that he would have been born around 1815 >> >> >> >> I would be very grateful for any hints to find out if he was indeed Robert > & >> Sarah's son even though I have looked through the Parish Registers of > Great >> Fransham and Little Fransham and can't find any mention of him. >> >> >> >> Kind regards, >> >> >> >> Betty Flood >> >> familyflood@live.com >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Wikipedia has a Timeline of the British Army 1800-1899 which gives dates of involvement. ( Also for other centuries) Rosie On 17/01/2012 11:40, David Mills wrote: > I know it's not the "done thing" to reply to one's own posts but I feel I > should keep you informed. > > I eventually found Matthew Baring NEVE on Family Search. he was registered > as father of Sarah Ann KNIGHTS NEVE and entered as Matthew *Boring *NEVE. > It also turns out that his spouse Mary Ann KNIGHTS was not blood relative > but my step GG Grandmother....Jane GODDARD was my natural GG g'mother. > > Although there is no need to pursue Matthew ((not so) Boring) Baring I > cannot help but wonder what happened to him..... Beware of side tracks. > > Were there any military conflicts around 1860 ?...History brain is fuzzy. > > David > > > On 15 January 2012 22:03, David Mills<david.mills001@googlemail.com> wrote: > >> I have discovered a new name attached to my family: one NEVE, Matthew >> Baring b about 1837 who m. Mary Ann KNIGHTS 13 June 1858 (I suspect that >> his sister also married Richard her brother in about 1860) >> Mary Ann married George Myhill BROWN on 18th October 1862. >> >> I can find nary a peep about Mathew Baring after the marriage. >> >> Itis also intriguing that George also had a previous marriage to Jane >> GODDARD on 9th June 1859.... >> >> Having had fun with my GATES / CREW ancestors I'm beginning to wonder >> about people from Great Yarmouth. >> >> In all seriousness, I would be grateful for anyideas where to go with this. >> >> I know that there are trees around that have Mary Ann down as someone >> completely different..... so I want to be a rigorous as possible. >> >> All happiness for 2012. >> >> David >> >> >> -- >> >> Please note that this e-mail and any files transmitted with it may be >> privileged, confidential, and protected from disclosure under >> applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended >> recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this >> message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any >> reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this >> communication or any of its attachments is strictly prohibited. If >> you have received this communication in error, please notify the >> sender immediately by replying to this message and then delete this >> message, any attachments, and all copies and backups from your >> computer. >> >> >> >

On 2012/01/17 10:49, Graham wrote: > I just thought everybody on this list would realise what I meant by a birth > record but alas there was you. Lighten up mate! Not everyone on this list is as knowledgeable as us :-) -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg

I know it's not the "done thing" to reply to one's own posts but I feel I should keep you informed. I eventually found Matthew Baring NEVE on Family Search. he was registered as father of Sarah Ann KNIGHTS NEVE and entered as Matthew *Boring *NEVE. It also turns out that his spouse Mary Ann KNIGHTS was not blood relative but my step GG Grandmother....Jane GODDARD was my natural GG g'mother. Although there is no need to pursue Matthew ((not so) Boring) Baring I cannot help but wonder what happened to him..... Beware of side tracks. Were there any military conflicts around 1860 ?...History brain is fuzzy. David On 15 January 2012 22:03, David Mills <david.mills001@googlemail.com> wrote: > I have discovered a new name attached to my family: one NEVE, Matthew > Baring b about 1837 who m. Mary Ann KNIGHTS 13 June 1858 (I suspect that > his sister also married Richard her brother in about 1860) > Mary Ann married George Myhill BROWN on 18th October 1862. > > I can find nary a peep about Mathew Baring after the marriage. > > Itis also intriguing that George also had a previous marriage to Jane > GODDARD on 9th June 1859.... > > Having had fun with my GATES / CREW ancestors I'm beginning to wonder > about people from Great Yarmouth. > > In all seriousness, I would be grateful for anyideas where to go with this. > > I know that there are trees around that have Mary Ann down as someone > completely different..... so I want to be a rigorous as possible. > > All happiness for 2012. > > David > > > -- > > Please note that this e-mail and any files transmitted with it may be > privileged, confidential, and protected from disclosure under > applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended > recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this > message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this > communication or any of its attachments is strictly prohibited. If > you have received this communication in error, please notify the > sender immediately by replying to this message and then delete this > message, any attachments, and all copies and backups from your > computer. > > > -- Please note that this e-mail and any files transmitted with it may be privileged, confidential, and protected from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this communication or any of its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message and then delete this message, any attachments, and all copies and backups from your computer.

I forgot to say - Anyone wanting a lookup in this list of Norfolk Apprentices, is welcome to email Honorable1@shaw.ca Honor

The difference in the old pre- fridge days being that death and burial were mostly a bit closer than birth and baptism ; ) Rosie On 17/01/2012 10:18, Pam Downes wrote: > I suspect that most of the list members did know what you meant, Graham. > However, there are many 'newbies' to family history who don't realise > the significant difference between birth and baptism (and similarly > death and burial); you could well be a newbie, and Mike was kindly > pointing out that there is a difference. (The 'oldies' on the list > should ensure that they set a good example by using the correct wording.) > If I called the baptism of my 2x great grandfather his birth record it > would have meant that he married when he was a fortnight old; thereby > illustrating the importance of using the correct terminology *at all > times*. > > Pam > > > On 17/01/2012 08:49, Graham wrote: >> I just thought everybody on this list would realise what I meant by a birth >> record but alas there was you. Lighten up mate! >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mike Fry"<fredbonzo@iafrica.com> >> To:<norfolk@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 10:20 AM >> Subject: Re: [NFK] Looking for help >> >> >>> On 2012/01/16 10:23, Graham wrote: >>> >>>> After 12 years of looking I am still stuck with my GGG grandfather >>>> Charles >>>> BEEVOR. I can find no birth record or indeed his parents. He was born >>>> around >>>> the late 1780's, married Sarah PAYNE in 1808 in St James Pockthorpe >>>> Norwich. >>>> According to 1851 census he was a "Dyer". >>> Terminology! You will be very unlikely to find a birth record. You should >>> be able to locate a baptism/christening record which is evidence of the >>> birth, but which may have happened some time after the actual birth. >>> Unless you have a kindly clerk who recorded the birth date along with the >>> baptism date, the date of birth is always likely to elude you. >>> >>> -- >>> Regards, >>> Mike Fry >>> Johannesburg >>> >>> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Recently a lister was making mention of an old list of apprentices he had heard of. I have found my listing I transcribed from entries sent from the London Record Office, for the Norfolk County from Sept 1788 - Oct 1789. There are some 230 entries. If the lister would like a lookup from this list for his ancestor, please contact me Honorable1@shaw.ca Honor. Vanc. Island.

I suspect that most of the list members did know what you meant, Graham. However, there are many 'newbies' to family history who don't realise the significant difference between birth and baptism (and similarly death and burial); you could well be a newbie, and Mike was kindly pointing out that there is a difference. (The 'oldies' on the list should ensure that they set a good example by using the correct wording.) If I called the baptism of my 2x great grandfather his birth record it would have meant that he married when he was a fortnight old; thereby illustrating the importance of using the correct terminology *at all times*. Pam On 17/01/2012 08:49, Graham wrote: > I just thought everybody on this list would realise what I meant by a birth > record but alas there was you. Lighten up mate! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Fry"<fredbonzo@iafrica.com> > To:<norfolk@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 10:20 AM > Subject: Re: [NFK] Looking for help > > >> On 2012/01/16 10:23, Graham wrote: >> >>> After 12 years of looking I am still stuck with my GGG grandfather >>> Charles >>> BEEVOR. I can find no birth record or indeed his parents. He was born >>> around >>> the late 1780's, married Sarah PAYNE in 1808 in St James Pockthorpe >>> Norwich. >>> According to 1851 census he was a "Dyer". >> Terminology! You will be very unlikely to find a birth record. You should >> be able to locate a baptism/christening record which is evidence of the >> birth, but which may have happened some time after the actual birth. >> Unless you have a kindly clerk who recorded the birth date along with the >> baptism date, the date of birth is always likely to elude you. >> >> -- >> Regards, >> Mike Fry >> Johannesburg >> >> > >

My Skitmores, Skitmor, Kitmore and every other possible spelling combination( including in one census transcription h instead of k!), have been stuck at William Skitmor's marriage to the widow Sarah Gillingwater at St John Timberhill in Oct 1768 for years. I have recently found his Marriage Bond on the LDS site which finally confirms long time family hearsay that he was a Worsted Weaver. Every thing else is as before ie both parties over 21 years of age and "of this parish" It has been intimated to me that Worsted Weavers served a 7 year apprenticeship and were often made Freemen of the City. Some years ago there was a list of Norfolk Apprentices posted to the list. Does anybody still have a copy? I cannot find any records of William and Sarah's burials (1800 to 1810 or so?). Also it would seem that Sarah, as a widow, ( we think (99.9%) Sarah was originally Sarah True b in Shipdham in 1736 so 32 at the time of her remarriage) brought 4 children into the marriage. I can find no later traces of these children as either Gillingwaters or Skitmores. Later instances of this have shown the "incoming children" to take and retain the Skitmore surname at least until marriage (Standard practice?). I'm assuming, always dangerous, that William was of a similar age, plus or minus a few years, to Sarah at the time of her marriage. William and Sarah's surviving child , also William, b Dec 1768, marries a Susan Rudd in Rockland St Peters in 1792 . He is described as "of Hingham" Again I can find no other Skitmors in Hingham as yet. After this everything is clear. Lots of Kitmores etc on FreeREG up to about 1710 or so but this gap to 1768 stubbornly remains. A recent FreeREG entry shows a John Skitmore being buried in Gt Yarmouth in 1792. Maybe a contemporary of William "the Weaver"? Any clues or suggestions welcomed! Dave

It is a bit sad when you follow a rector's entries for years and see his handwriting gradually deteriorate. I suppose specs weren't up to much in the days of quills either. And of course some didnt give two hoots for the job or parishoners and were just in it for the living. I can't imaging what possessed the rector at Middleton to make the entries he did though! Rosie On 16/01/2012 21:37, Betty wrote: > G'day Dave > Hadn't thought about entries being written in cold dark places with a quill > but this would explain why some of entries on Parish entries are so hard to > read. > Kind regards, > Betty > > > -----Original Message----- > From: norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of David Tennant > Sent: Tuesday, 17 January 2012 1:46 AM > To: norfolk@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NFK] MY BRICK WALL > > The ATs all seem to finish at 1812. Did something change at that time? > Also for Norfolk there is a search subdivision between Norwich and > Norfolk Dioceses. I am not certain which parish was in which but I do > know that a diocese did not necessarily stop at the County boundary. I > know the Norwich Diocese went into NE Suffolk and I'm pretty certain > there were similar situations on the border with Cambridgeshire. > Further, and this is a personal opinion, I trust the ATs and BTs less > than the PRs. I think as Rosemary intimated that all Vicars did not > approach the essentially duplication of the PR entries with a deal of > enthusiasm! There are beautifully written ones, less beautiful on > assorted pieces of paper and what appear to be PR pages (were these the > original entries one wonders) Of course they were usually prepared in > dark,cold and often damp churches using a quill pen. I doubt if I would > be too enthusiastic in those circumstances! > Dave > > On 15/01/2012 7:56 PM, Rosemary Jones wrote: >> The images are online on FamilySearch. The BT's are a royal pain to browse >> because they are in year sequence, not parish. Here's a link ... >> >> > https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Fapi.family > search.org%2Frecords%2Fcollection%2F1823613%2Fwaypoints >> If this doesn't work go down to "Browse by Location"> Europe> then enter >> Norfolk in the search box. >> >> Rosemary >> >> On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 6:38 PM, Betty<familyflood@live.com> wrote: >> >>> Thank you so much for answering my query Rosemary. I have checked the >>> Parish registers and Archdeacons Transcripts but did not realise that >>> there >>> were Bishops transcripts as well Would I have to check through my family >>> history centre? >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> Betty >>> Sydney Australia >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com] >>> On >>> Behalf Of Rosemary Jones >>> Sent: Monday, 16 January 2012 10:57 AM >>> To: norfolk@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [NFK] MY BRICK WALL >>> >>> Betty, >>> >>> Did you check the Archdeacons Transcripts and Bishops transcripts as well >>> as the parish registers? Sometimes the vicar just pulled a page out of > the >>> parish register and sent it off to the archdeacon or bishop instead of >>> copying it out. I've found people in these that were missing from the >>> original register. >>> >>> Rosemary >>> >>> On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 5:16 PM, Betty<familyflood@live.com> wrote: >>> >>>> G'day >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hope that some kind person can advise me as to how to break down my > brick >>>> wall My gg grandfather, Richard HOWARD married Elizabeth BUSH in >>>> Great >>>> Fransham in 1835 and they then within that year sailed for Australia so >>>> cannot obtain Richard's birth place from any census (I already know all >>>> about Elizabeth's ancestors) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> My question is this - there was a family of HOWARD's, Robert& his >>> wife >>>> Sarah (nee POWLEY) living in Great Fransham since at least 1803 when >>> they >>>> were married there. I have found children born to them but cannot >>> find >>>> a Richard. I have a huge suspicion though that he was their son as >>>> Henry also came out to Australia and settled in Bega NSW as did Richard >>> and >>>> his son Thomas. Henry named one of his sons Richard and both > Thomas >>>> and Richard also have children with same names. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Richard's death certificate in Australia does not given me any >>> information >>>> either as to which town he was born in Norfolk. His first wife died > in >>>> 1848 at Jerrawa Creek near Yass and he later remarried and died in > Albury >>>> in >>>> 1877. His second wife apparently did not even know his childrens' >>> names >>>> let alone his place of birth. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I suspect that he would have been born around 1815 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I would be very grateful for any hints to find out if he was indeed >>> Robert >>>> & >>>> Sarah's son even though I have looked through the Parish Registers of >>> Great >>>> Fransham and Little Fransham and can't find any mention of him. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Kind regards, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Betty Flood >>>> >>>> familyflood@live.com >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I just thought everybody on this list would realise what I meant by a birth record but alas there was you. Lighten up mate! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Fry" <fredbonzo@iafrica.com> To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [NFK] Looking for help > On 2012/01/16 10:23, Graham wrote: > >> After 12 years of looking I am still stuck with my GGG grandfather >> Charles >> BEEVOR. I can find no birth record or indeed his parents. He was born >> around >> the late 1780's, married Sarah PAYNE in 1808 in St James Pockthorpe >> Norwich. >> According to 1851 census he was a "Dyer". > > Terminology! You will be very unlikely to find a birth record. You should > be able to locate a baptism/christening record which is evidence of the > birth, but which may have happened some time after the actual birth. > Unless you have a kindly clerk who recorded the birth date along with the > baptism date, the date of birth is always likely to elude you. > > -- > Regards, > Mike Fry > Johannesburg > >

Many thanks to all who replied to my problem, you have certainly given me some things to think about. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham" <oldgarol@btinternet.com> To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 8:23 AM Subject: [NFK] Looking for help After 12 years of looking I am still stuck with my GGG grandfather Charles BEEVOR. I can find no birth record or indeed his parents. He was born around the late 1780's, married Sarah PAYNE in 1808 in St James Pockthorpe Norwich. According to 1851 census he was a "Dyer". Any help would be greatly appreciated. Regards to all Graham

G'day Dave Hadn't thought about entries being written in cold dark places with a quill but this would explain why some of entries on Parish entries are so hard to read. Kind regards, Betty -----Original Message----- From: norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Tennant Sent: Tuesday, 17 January 2012 1:46 AM To: norfolk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NFK] MY BRICK WALL The ATs all seem to finish at 1812. Did something change at that time? Also for Norfolk there is a search subdivision between Norwich and Norfolk Dioceses. I am not certain which parish was in which but I do know that a diocese did not necessarily stop at the County boundary. I know the Norwich Diocese went into NE Suffolk and I'm pretty certain there were similar situations on the border with Cambridgeshire. Further, and this is a personal opinion, I trust the ATs and BTs less than the PRs. I think as Rosemary intimated that all Vicars did not approach the essentially duplication of the PR entries with a deal of enthusiasm! There are beautifully written ones, less beautiful on assorted pieces of paper and what appear to be PR pages (were these the original entries one wonders) Of course they were usually prepared in dark,cold and often damp churches using a quill pen. I doubt if I would be too enthusiastic in those circumstances! Dave On 15/01/2012 7:56 PM, Rosemary Jones wrote: > The images are online on FamilySearch. The BT's are a royal pain to browse > because they are in year sequence, not parish. Here's a link ... > > https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Fapi.family search.org%2Frecords%2Fcollection%2F1823613%2Fwaypoints > > If this doesn't work go down to "Browse by Location"> Europe> then enter > Norfolk in the search box. > > Rosemary > > On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 6:38 PM, Betty<familyflood@live.com> wrote: > >> Thank you so much for answering my query Rosemary. I have checked the >> Parish registers and Archdeacons Transcripts but did not realise that >> there >> were Bishops transcripts as well Would I have to check through my family >> history centre? >> >> Kind regards, >> Betty >> Sydney Australia >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On >> Behalf Of Rosemary Jones >> Sent: Monday, 16 January 2012 10:57 AM >> To: norfolk@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [NFK] MY BRICK WALL >> >> Betty, >> >> Did you check the Archdeacons Transcripts and Bishops transcripts as well >> as the parish registers? Sometimes the vicar just pulled a page out of the >> parish register and sent it off to the archdeacon or bishop instead of >> copying it out. I've found people in these that were missing from the >> original register. >> >> Rosemary >> >> On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 5:16 PM, Betty<familyflood@live.com> wrote: >> >>> G'day >>> >>> >>> >>> Hope that some kind person can advise me as to how to break down my brick >>> wall My gg grandfather, Richard HOWARD married Elizabeth BUSH in >>> Great >>> Fransham in 1835 and they then within that year sailed for Australia so >>> cannot obtain Richard's birth place from any census (I already know all >>> about Elizabeth's ancestors) >>> >>> >>> >>> My question is this - there was a family of HOWARD's, Robert& his >> wife >>> Sarah (nee POWLEY) living in Great Fransham since at least 1803 when >> they >>> were married there. I have found children born to them but cannot >> find >>> a Richard. I have a huge suspicion though that he was their son as >>> Henry also came out to Australia and settled in Bega NSW as did Richard >> and >>> his son Thomas. Henry named one of his sons Richard and both Thomas >>> and Richard also have children with same names. >>> >>> >>> >>> Richard's death certificate in Australia does not given me any >> information >>> either as to which town he was born in Norfolk. His first wife died in >>> 1848 at Jerrawa Creek near Yass and he later remarried and died in Albury >>> in >>> 1877. His second wife apparently did not even know his childrens' >> names >>> let alone his place of birth. >>> >>> >>> >>> I suspect that he would have been born around 1815 >>> >>> >>> >>> I would be very grateful for any hints to find out if he was indeed >> Robert >>> & >>> Sarah's son even though I have looked through the Parish Registers of >> Great >>> Fransham and Little Fransham and can't find any mention of him. >>> >>> >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> >>> >>> >>> Betty Flood >>> >>> familyflood@live.com >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes she was from Great Fransham - her parents were married there too and also her FLOOD grandparents farmed there. Thank you so much for the advice Kind regards Betty -----Original Message----- From: norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Stephanie Ray Sent: Tuesday, 17 January 2012 2:09 AM To: norfolk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NFK] MY BRICK WALL Was Elizabeth BUSH's family from Great Fransham, Betty? If so, that may explain why the couple married there (not because it was Richard's parish). On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 3:16 PM, Betty <familyflood@live.com> wrote: > G'day > > > > Hope that some kind person can advise me as to how to break down my brick > wall      My gg grandfather, Richard HOWARD  married Elizabeth BUSH in Great > Fransham in 1835 and they then within that year sailed for Australia so > cannot obtain Richard's birth place from any census (I already know all > about Elizabeth's ancestors) > > > > My question is this   - there was a family of HOWARD's,  Robert & his wife > Sarah (nee POWLEY)  living in Great Fransham since at least 1803 when they > were married there.      I have found children born to them but cannot find > a Richard.      I have a huge suspicion though that he was their son as > Henry also came out to Australia and settled in Bega NSW as did Richard and > his son Thomas.       Henry named one of his sons Richard and both Thomas > and Richard also have children with same names. > > > > Richard's death certificate in Australia does not given me any information > either as to which town he was born in Norfolk.    His first wife died in > 1848 at Jerrawa Creek near Yass and he later remarried and died in Albury in > 1877.    His second wife apparently did not even know his childrens' names > let alone his place of birth. > > > > I suspect that he would have been born around 1815 > > > > I would be very grateful for any hints to find out if he was indeed Robert & > Sarah's son even though I have looked through the Parish Registers of Great > Fransham and Little Fransham and can't find any mention of him. > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Betty Flood > > familyflood@live.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you for your email Rosie - The Elizabeth BUSH born Wendling is my gg grandmother and I have traced her family back to Arthur BUSH born c 1728. In Gissing It is Elizabeth's husband where my brick wall lies. Part of my family say that Richard was born in Norwich in 1815 but there was a HOWARD family living in Great Fransham where Elizabeth & Richard were married in 1835 On their marriage certificate it was stated that they were "both of this Parish: so I am questioning if he was the son of Robert & Sarah (nee POWLEY) and was perhaps baptised in a nearby Parish - have looked through Great Fransham & Little Fransham Registers and many more from around the area but no luck Is this your BUSH/WHISKER family? Marriage 1792 1-1 John Bush single of Gaywood married Mary Whisker single 21 and upwards of this parish. Witnesses Zach. Ingleton? and William Wigg Junior If you would like any more BUSH entries from Dereham please email me on my email address and I would only be too pleased to send them to you Kind regards, Betty Flood Sydney Australia familyflood@live.com -----Original Message----- From: norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of xpn11 Sent: Monday, 16 January 2012 11:14 PM To: norfolk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NFK] howard Not really been following this thread but I have Bush ( connected with Whisker) from Dereham, but not researched up yet but caught my eye. As there are records for an Elizabeth Bush daughter of Jeremiah Bush at Wendling 1817 plus a baptism for an Elizabeth Bush 1771 daughter of Jonathan Bush maybe try Beeston/Wendling/Longham /Scarning for them in the hope Jeremiah might have been a family name. Rosie On 16/01/2012 11:44, Betty wrote: > Thank you so much Heather for looking Richard up on the passenger lists for > the Canton. I did know that they were both on the Canton but had not > looked up his name on the list Had not thought about finding out his > parents names from the passenger list I do know all information about his > wife Elizabeth nee BUSH - actually the other BUSH families are her mother > and siblings and her aunt and uncle and all their children. They were all > following Elizabeth's father, Jeremiah who was a convict. He had been > sentenced to death for stealing a sheep but fortunately his sentence was > commuted to life in the colonies He came to Australia in 1833. When he > was pardoned he lived with his wife and other children at Jerrawa Creek near > Yass where he was given land. His brother and his wife and children lived > nearby. Richard and Elizabeth and their 2 children went to the Hunter > Valley where they worked on George Wyndham;s estate. Have visited the > winery there and was told that it was in 1835 when their shiraz vineyard was > first planted. This was the year that Richard and Elizabeth arrived there. > Thank you once again for your help I greatly appreciate it. > Kind regards, > Betty Flood > > -----Original Message----- > From: norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Heather Macdonald > Sent: Monday, 16 January 2012 10:15 PM > To: norfolk@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NFK] howard > > > > Hi > > I notice from ancestry your Richard& Elizabeth came out on the Canton 8 Sep > 1835. He is listed as being b. Norfolk but she doesn't have anything for her > native place. I did notice there is also a couple BUSH families on the same > boat all born in Norfolk too...might be related. > > This record doesn't show parent names so not very helpful. > > Regards > > Heather Macdonald > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4745 - Release Date: 01/15/12 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you so much Heather for looking Richard up on the passenger lists for the Canton. I did know that they were both on the Canton but had not looked up his name on the list Had not thought about finding out his parents names from the passenger list I do know all information about his wife Elizabeth nee BUSH - actually the other BUSH families are her mother and siblings and her aunt and uncle and all their children. They were all following Elizabeth's father, Jeremiah who was a convict. He had been sentenced to death for stealing a sheep but fortunately his sentence was commuted to life in the colonies He came to Australia in 1833. When he was pardoned he lived with his wife and other children at Jerrawa Creek near Yass where he was given land. His brother and his wife and children lived nearby. Richard and Elizabeth and their 2 children went to the Hunter Valley where they worked on George Wyndham;s estate. Have visited the winery there and was told that it was in 1835 when their shiraz vineyard was first planted. This was the year that Richard and Elizabeth arrived there. Thank you once again for your help I greatly appreciate it. Kind regards, Betty Flood -----Original Message----- From: norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Heather Macdonald Sent: Monday, 16 January 2012 10:15 PM To: norfolk@rootsweb.com Subject: [NFK] howard Hi I notice from ancestry your Richard & Elizabeth came out on the Canton 8 Sep 1835. He is listed as being b. Norfolk but she doesn't have anything for her native place. I did notice there is also a couple BUSH families on the same boat all born in Norfolk too...might be related. This record doesn't show parent names so not very helpful. Regards Heather Macdonald ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4745 - Release Date: 01/15/12 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi I notice from ancestry your Richard & Elizabeth came out on the Canton 8 Sep 1835. He is listed as being b. Norfolk but she doesn't have anything for her native place. I did notice there is also a couple BUSH families on the same boat all born in Norfolk too...might be related. This record doesn't show parent names so not very helpful. Regards Heather Macdonald ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4745 - Release Date: 01/15/12