usually - Garbleshm or Garblesm On 13 March 2014 13:46, Bill Atkins <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Listers, > > Does anyone know how locals pronounce Garboldisham please? I would hazard a > guess at Garb'sham or Gar'sham :-) > > This query relates to a photo posted recently on the Facebook Group 'Norfolk > Countryside Photos' that may be of interest to some of you > (www.facebook.com/groups/392153494199070/), as might 'Norwich and its > History' (www.facebook.com/groups/262698593885434/). > > Best regards ............ Bill Atkins > http://www.oldshuck.webspace.virginmedia.com/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Julie Harold FreeREG Norfolk Coordinator [email protected] http://www.freereg.org.uk/parishes/nfk/frontpage.shtml

Dear Listers, Does anyone know how locals pronounce Garboldisham please? I would hazard a guess at Garb'sham or Gar'sham :-) This query relates to a photo posted recently on the Facebook Group 'Norfolk Countryside Photos' that may be of interest to some of you (www.facebook.com/groups/392153494199070/), as might 'Norwich and its History' (www.facebook.com/groups/262698593885434/). Best regards ............ Bill Atkins http://www.oldshuck.webspace.virginmedia.com/

The most maligned accents/dialects are Black Country and Birmingham accents.....next seems to be the accents of Liverpool... the psychology of all this must be very interesting. I wonder if , as well as influences in the ex colonies, Norfolk and Suffolk have influenced other areas. I'm thinking of the periods of migration from the land to industry, like the NE. Also the influences of migratory workers on Local speech, such as in Yarmouth . Must get on.. David On 12 March 2014 22:58, Bob Rust <[email protected]> wrote: > You notice with Antique Road Show, no matter where it's from, few local > accents. I think two in the programme from Norfolk!. > As a Cockney speaker I have been told all my life, "That's not an accent > you > don't speak properly" or "Talk proper" as I would say. Those same people > would think Devon or Somerset (Zumerzet) "charming". Funny thing, academics > tell me it was the accent of Shakespeare and ElizabethI. Welsh speakers > from > north Wales used to refer to people from Cardiff and Swansea as "Welsh > Cockney!" > An incidental, my friend from the Isle of Harris who had Gaelic his first > language could converse with Bretons in their dialect which was based on > Gaelic and not Norman French:-) > > Bob > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 7:33 AM > Subject: Re: [NFK] Intreset: Dialect > > > > All move ins now! Up to 25% of homes on the North Norfolk coast are > > second or holiday homes and hereabouts we have lots of people from out > of > > county.Kids with local accents get the " I can't read I can't write I can > > drive a tractor " jibes and slip into estuary/TV speak. The accent seems > > to be regarded by non Norfolk people as either quaint or thick so it is > > disappearing and children no longer spend time as much time around older > > people as they once did to pick it up. > > I assume this is much the same in every region, especially rural areas. > > except Scotland and Wales where the accents and dialects seem to be > > regarded as a matter of national pride and are acceptable to broadcasters > > and employers. No doubt someone will put me right on that! > > David's link to the article might give an insight into why the > enumerators > > not from Norfolk came up with some weird versions of our village names. > > Rosie > > On 11/03/2014 20:05, David Mills wrote: > >> Bob, > >> On Mardle Fen is always fun if not always accurate..... interestingly > it > >> was the word "mardle" which took me to the site.... a word that seemed > as > >> a > >> kid to mean atleast two things: Daydreaming and gossiping. I din't know > >> the > >> pond connection. > >> > >> I'd dealy love to go back to Tunstead and see what people sound like > >> these > >> days. We went back to Wells NtS a few years ago for my Aunt's 80th > >> birthday. I hadn't been back since 1975/6 winter for various reasons. It > >> was at least two hours before I actually heard anything approaching the > >> accent that I knew of old. Which probably explains why, having read a > >> couple of John Kett's Poems (remember him and his brother, Bill?) , a > >> fellow member of the folk club said that she had never heard anyone in > >> Winterton speak like that or use such dialect. "We own a holiday cottage > >> there. So I know what Norfolk sounds like." > >> There is a lady who works inthe local Charity shop comes from Norwich. > >> First met Joan in the queue at the local supermarket and overheard her. > >> So, > >> I said hello and we fell to talking. Next time I saw she said she had a > >> bone to pick with me..."All that Norfolk talking the other day. My > >> daughter > >> said to me'Mothe who're you met? You're talking funny again.' That's > your > >> fault." I'd picked up her slight accent and during the conversation it > >> had > >> become more obvious and my wife told me that by the time we'd finished I > >> was almost as broad. That habit/ablity has got me into trouble before > >> because I used to pick up Irish accents and be accused of taking the > >> mickey. I also had a colleague for years who hailed from Norwich.... > some > >> of her grammatical peculiarities would make other colleagues shudder. As > >> head of English, I suppose that is unerstandable. Mind you with a > >> Yorkshire > >> Tyke and a Cumbrian on the staff (let alone the various colonials ) most > >> of > >> them didn't have a leg to stand on. > >> > >> Which was Kingdom? The one with Fry in it? That never really impressed > >> me. > >> > >> Take care all. > >> David > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On 11 March 2014 19:08, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >>> Where Kingdom went wrong is that it tried to put an accent to words > >>> which were not phrased the way we say them. Doesnt work > >>> The Fen accent is really elusive. My father's side is all fen, and I > >>> lived on the fen edge for fifteen years,but I could not speak with the > >>> accent of my Greats from March if I tried. > >>> Rosie > >>> On 11/03/2014 16:54, Bob Rust wrote: > >>>> Thanks for that David, very interesting for Cockney speaker. > >>>> > >>>> Has anyone heard the Radio 4 series "On Mardle Fen". > >>>> The old fen man sounded good to me, I wondered what real Norfolk > >>>> speakers > >>>> thought of it after the comments on "Kingdom" > >>>> > >>>> Bob > >>>> > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> From: "David Mills" <[email protected]> > >>>> To: <[email protected]> > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 11:24 AM > >>>> Subject: [NFK] Intreset: Dialect > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Interesting Wikipedia entry > >>>>> > >>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norfolk_dialect > >>>>> > >>>>> best > >>>>> > >>>>> David > >>>>> -- > >>>>> > >>>>> Please note that this e-mail and any files transmitted with it may be > >>>>> privileged, confidential, and protected from disclosure under > >>>>> applicable law. 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David raises an interesting point. Jasper Carrot would not be perceived as funny in a "normal" accent I think. Accents are most noticed, it seems to me, by somebody who has an accent themselves. I recall my Norfolk accent being pointed out to me as "funny"when in the RAF at Weston Super Mare by people with a broad West Country accent. ( every sentence a question!) Similarly in the Southern States of the US. I think too I recall different intonations during my visits to other parts of Norfolk than my own. I also remember my visit years ago to the Plymouth Plantation, the Pilgrim Father's Heritage Site near Boston ,Mass, where the period clad staff spoke in a remarkably close to Norfolk accent. I recall pointing this out to one of them and he agreed that this was the effect they were trying to achieve though I think he was not totally clear on the origins of the accent he was using. I tried to "broaden" it up a bit for him as I recall. Dave On 13/03/2014 7:47 AM, David Mills wrote: > The most maligned accents/dialects are Black Country and Birmingham > accents.....next seems to be the accents of Liverpool... the psychology of > all this must be very interesting. > I wonder if , as well as influences in the ex colonies, Norfolk and Suffolk > have influenced other areas. I'm thinking of the periods of migration from > the land to industry, like the NE. Also the influences of migratory workers > on Local speech, such as in Yarmouth . > > Must get on.. > > David > > > >

As a resident of Norfolk (who grew up in the Fens) I can vouch for the fact that there are many different Norfolk accents. The South Norfolk accent in the Long Stratton is distinct from the several Norwich accents, which are again different from the Broadland and North Coast accents. The Fen accents vary from fairly "Norfolk" in the east to distinctly "East Midlands" in the west. The further back you go with registers the more liberal you have to be with interpretation of spellings of names. My own name Harold morphed to Hurrell (and variations in between) in the Diss area - in the same generation of siblings in the same parish ! Julie On 13 March 2014 07:19, Glynn Burrows <[email protected]> wrote: > The thing about the Norfolk accent, is that it is so different depending where, in the County, you are. > > My Dad grew up in Tilney and when he came to Weasenham, he found that a lot of things on the farm had different names and even the way of harnessing the horses was different as, in Tilney they used one line and in Weasenham, they used two. My Grandmother, who came from Burgh Castle, (so really in Suffolk then), always said "Norfik" & "Suffik" and when I was little, asked me if I wanted a "bowl of soap" when she really meant "soup". Norwich inhabitants had a different accent too and I remember my Uncle, who moved out to Cambridgeshire, telling me that he was in his local pub one day and someone said to him, "You come from near Fakenham don't you?" and he was quite taken aback as Weasenham is only seven miles from Fakenham and that is our local Market Town. > > So, Norfolk accent? Which Norfolk accent? > > By the way, it helps to have local knowledge as once I was researching fairs, looking for information on Kipton Ash sheep fair, when I came across a reference to "Kipmash Fair". Another time, I was looking for am ancestor and all the details, apart from the surname did fit. The bride was called "Martha Buris" and thanks to my Grandmother, I knew that this was actually "Martha Burrows" and, as the wedding was in Haddiscoe, young Martha obviously spoke with the local accent but the vicar didn't! > > > Glynn > Owner of: > > > http://www.norfolk-tours.co.uk > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Julie Harold FreeREG Norfolk Coordinator [email protected] http://www.freereg.org.uk/parishes/nfk/frontpage.shtml

The thing about the Norfolk accent, is that it is so different depending where, in the County, you are. My Dad grew up in Tilney and when he came to Weasenham, he found that a lot of things on the farm had different names and even the way of harnessing the horses was different as, in Tilney they used one line and in Weasenham, they used two. My Grandmother, who came from Burgh Castle, (so really in Suffolk then), always said "Norfik" & "Suffik" and when I was little, asked me if I wanted a "bowl of soap" when she really meant "soup". Norwich inhabitants had a different accent too and I remember my Uncle, who moved out to Cambridgeshire, telling me that he was in his local pub one day and someone said to him, "You come from near Fakenham don't you?" and he was quite taken aback as Weasenham is only seven miles from Fakenham and that is our local Market Town. So, Norfolk accent? Which Norfolk accent? By the way, it helps to have local knowledge as once I was researching fairs, looking for information on Kipton Ash sheep fair, when I came across a reference to "Kipmash Fair". Another time, I was looking for am ancestor and all the details, apart from the surname did fit. The bride was called "Martha Buris" and thanks to my Grandmother, I knew that this was actually "Martha Burrows" and, as the wedding was in Haddiscoe, young Martha obviously spoke with the local accent but the vicar didn't! Glynn Owner of: http://www.norfolk-tours.co.uk

You notice with Antique Road Show, no matter where it's from, few local accents. I think two in the programme from Norfolk!. As a Cockney speaker I have been told all my life, "That's not an accent you don't speak properly" or "Talk proper" as I would say. Those same people would think Devon or Somerset (Zumerzet) "charming". Funny thing, academics tell me it was the accent of Shakespeare and ElizabethI. Welsh speakers from north Wales used to refer to people from Cardiff and Swansea as "Welsh Cockney!" An incidental, my friend from the Isle of Harris who had Gaelic his first language could converse with Bretons in their dialect which was based on Gaelic and not Norman French:-) Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 7:33 AM Subject: Re: [NFK] Intreset: Dialect > All move ins now! Up to 25% of homes on the North Norfolk coast are > second or holiday homes and hereabouts we have lots of people from out of > county.Kids with local accents get the " I can't read I can't write I can > drive a tractor " jibes and slip into estuary/TV speak. The accent seems > to be regarded by non Norfolk people as either quaint or thick so it is > disappearing and children no longer spend time as much time around older > people as they once did to pick it up. > I assume this is much the same in every region, especially rural areas. > except Scotland and Wales where the accents and dialects seem to be > regarded as a matter of national pride and are acceptable to broadcasters > and employers. No doubt someone will put me right on that! > David's link to the article might give an insight into why the enumerators > not from Norfolk came up with some weird versions of our village names. > Rosie > On 11/03/2014 20:05, David Mills wrote: >> Bob, >> On Mardle Fen is always fun if not always accurate..... interestingly it >> was the word "mardle" which took me to the site.... a word that seemed as >> a >> kid to mean atleast two things: Daydreaming and gossiping. I din't know >> the >> pond connection. >> >> I'd dealy love to go back to Tunstead and see what people sound like >> these >> days. We went back to Wells NtS a few years ago for my Aunt's 80th >> birthday. I hadn't been back since 1975/6 winter for various reasons. It >> was at least two hours before I actually heard anything approaching the >> accent that I knew of old. Which probably explains why, having read a >> couple of John Kett's Poems (remember him and his brother, Bill?) , a >> fellow member of the folk club said that she had never heard anyone in >> Winterton speak like that or use such dialect. "We own a holiday cottage >> there. So I know what Norfolk sounds like." >> There is a lady who works inthe local Charity shop comes from Norwich. >> First met Joan in the queue at the local supermarket and overheard her. >> So, >> I said hello and we fell to talking. Next time I saw she said she had a >> bone to pick with me..."All that Norfolk talking the other day. My >> daughter >> said to me'Mothe who're you met? You're talking funny again.' That's your >> fault." I'd picked up her slight accent and during the conversation it >> had >> become more obvious and my wife told me that by the time we'd finished I >> was almost as broad. That habit/ablity has got me into trouble before >> because I used to pick up Irish accents and be accused of taking the >> mickey. I also had a colleague for years who hailed from Norwich.... some >> of her grammatical peculiarities would make other colleagues shudder. As >> head of English, I suppose that is unerstandable. Mind you with a >> Yorkshire >> Tyke and a Cumbrian on the staff (let alone the various colonials ) most >> of >> them didn't have a leg to stand on. >> >> Which was Kingdom? The one with Fry in it? That never really impressed >> me. >> >> Take care all. >> David >> >> >> >> >> >> On 11 March 2014 19:08, <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Where Kingdom went wrong is that it tried to put an accent to words >>> which were not phrased the way we say them. Doesnt work >>> The Fen accent is really elusive. My father's side is all fen, and I >>> lived on the fen edge for fifteen years,but I could not speak with the >>> accent of my Greats from March if I tried. >>> Rosie >>> On 11/03/2014 16:54, Bob Rust wrote: >>>> Thanks for that David, very interesting for Cockney speaker. >>>> >>>> Has anyone heard the Radio 4 series "On Mardle Fen". >>>> The old fen man sounded good to me, I wondered what real Norfolk >>>> speakers >>>> thought of it after the comments on "Kingdom" >>>> >>>> Bob >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "David Mills" <[email protected]> >>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 11:24 AM >>>> Subject: [NFK] Intreset: Dialect >>>> >>>> >>>>> Interesting Wikipedia entry >>>>> >>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norfolk_dialect >>>>> >>>>> best >>>>> >>>>> David >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> Please note that this e-mail and any files transmitted with it may be >>>>> privileged, confidential, and protected from disclosure under >>>>> applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the >>>>> intended >>>>> recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering >>>>> this >>>>> message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that >>>>> any >>>>> reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of >>>>> this >>>>> communication or any of its attachments is strictly prohibited. >>>>> If >>>>> you have received this communication in error, please notify the >>>>> sender immediately by replying to this message and then delete >>>>> this >>>>> message, any attachments, and all copies and backups from your >>>>> computer. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> > > >

Rosemary Many thanks Mike -----Original Message----- From: Rosemary Jones Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 4:38 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NFK] FamilySearch.org Go to Search > Records and then scroll down the page. At the bottom of the page click on United Kingdom and Ireland. Then type Norfolk in the "Filter by Collection Name" and you'll see the list of Norfolk Collections. The Parish Registers are the last one on the list (after the AT's and BT's etc). Click on that, DON'T use the search boxes, scroll down to Browse the collection and there are all the images. You can use this technique to find anything in their collections. Giving you the link won't help you navigate the site. Rosemary On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 11:24 AM, Michael Wilkinson <[email protected]>wrote: > Hi All > Having not used the Family Search website for some considerable time > (about 2 years), does anyone have the link to the Norfolk parish registers > that they hold, as I wish to browse through them. I can't find them on > their new website!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > Many thanks > Mike Wilkinson > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Scott Many thanks Mike -----Original Message----- From: Scott D Kendall Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 4:37 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NFK] FamilySearch.org https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list?page=1&region=UNITED_KINGDOM_IRELAND On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 11:24 AM, Michael Wilkinson <[email protected]>wrote: > Hi All > Having not used the Family Search website for some considerable time > (about 2 years), does anyone have the link to the Norfolk parish registers > that they hold, as I wish to browse through them. I can't find them on > their new website!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > Many thanks > Mike Wilkinson > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

No not your imagination. Jimmy Carr and Russell Howard are major culprits dear Stephen Fry is alone in admonishing the offenders. There are some very offensive stereotypes peddled in the name of comedy. None of this would be a problem if the county was not trying to overcome years of being thought of as a backwater when trying to encourage businesses to relocate in order to boost the economy. Rosie On 12/03/2014 11:56, David Mills wrote: > Is it my imagination or am I hearing more supposedly comic feferences to > Norfolk in the media? Particularly in reference to supposd in breeding? > It's all ver well to include the comment "Very flat, Norfolk." in a comic > play but, like dyslexia references, I'm getting tired of these. > > Incase you have never heard him or had the pleasure of introducing him to > an audience here's a link to Sid Kipper > > https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=sid%20kipper&sm=3 > > > > > On 12 March 2014 07:33, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> All move ins now! Up to 25% of homes on the North Norfolk coast are >> second or holiday homes and hereabouts we have lots of people from out >> of county.Kids with local accents get the " I can't read I can't write I >> can drive a tractor " jibes and slip into estuary/TV speak. The accent >> seems to be regarded by non Norfolk people as either quaint or thick so >> it is disappearing and children no longer spend time as much time around >> older people as they once did to pick it up. >> I assume this is much the same in every region, especially rural >> areas. except Scotland and Wales where the accents and dialects seem to >> be regarded as a matter of national pride and are acceptable to >> broadcasters and employers. No doubt someone will put me right on that! >> David's link to the article might give an insight into why the >> enumerators not from Norfolk came up with some weird versions of our >> village names. >> Rosie >> On 11/03/2014 20:05, David Mills wrote: >>> Bob, >>> On Mardle Fen is always fun if not always accurate..... interestingly it >>> was the word "mardle" which took me to the site.... a word that seemed >> as a >>> kid to mean atleast two things: Daydreaming and gossiping. I din't know >> the >>> pond connection. >>> >>> I'd dealy love to go back to Tunstead and see what people sound like >> these >>> days. We went back to Wells NtS a few years ago for my Aunt's 80th >>> birthday. I hadn't been back since 1975/6 winter for various reasons. It >>> was at least two hours before I actually heard anything approaching the >>> accent that I knew of old. Which probably explains why, having read a >>> couple of John Kett's Poems (remember him and his brother, Bill?) , a >>> fellow member of the folk club said that she had never heard anyone in >>> Winterton speak like that or use such dialect. "We own a holiday cottage >>> there. So I know what Norfolk sounds like." >>> There is a lady who works inthe local Charity shop comes from Norwich. >>> First met Joan in the queue at the local supermarket and overheard her. >> So, >>> I said hello and we fell to talking. Next time I saw she said she had a >>> bone to pick with me..."All that Norfolk talking the other day. My >> daughter >>> said to me'Mothe who're you met? You're talking funny again.' That's your >>> fault." I'd picked up her slight accent and during the conversation it >> had >>> become more obvious and my wife told me that by the time we'd finished I >>> was almost as broad. That habit/ablity has got me into trouble before >>> because I used to pick up Irish accents and be accused of taking the >>> mickey. I also had a colleague for years who hailed from Norwich.... some >>> of her grammatical peculiarities would make other colleagues shudder. As >>> head of English, I suppose that is unerstandable. Mind you with a >> Yorkshire >>> Tyke and a Cumbrian on the staff (let alone the various colonials ) most >> of >>> them didn't have a leg to stand on. >>> >>> Which was Kingdom? The one with Fry in it? That never really impressed >> me. >>> Take care all. >>> David >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 11 March 2014 19:08, <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Where Kingdom went wrong is that it tried to put an accent to words >>>> which were not phrased the way we say them. Doesnt work >>>> The Fen accent is really elusive. My father's side is all fen, and I >>>> lived on the fen edge for fifteen years,but I could not speak with the >>>> accent of my Greats from March if I tried. >>>> Rosie >>>> On 11/03/2014 16:54, Bob Rust wrote: >>>>> Thanks for that David, very interesting for Cockney speaker. >>>>> >>>>> Has anyone heard the Radio 4 series "On Mardle Fen". >>>>> The old fen man sounded good to me, I wondered what real Norfolk >> speakers >>>>> thought of it after the comments on "Kingdom" >>>>> >>>>> Bob >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "David Mills" <[email protected]> >>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 11:24 AM >>>>> Subject: [NFK] Intreset: Dialect >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Interesting Wikipedia entry >>>>>> >>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norfolk_dialect >>>>>> >>>>>> best >>>>>> >>>>>> David >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> Please note that this e-mail and any files transmitted with it may be >>>>>> privileged, confidential, and protected from disclosure under >>>>>> applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the >> intended >>>>>> recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering >> this >>>>>> message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that >> any >>>>>> reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of >> this >>>>>> communication or any of its attachments is strictly prohibited. >> If >>>>>> you have received this communication in error, please notify the >>>>>> sender immediately by replying to this message and then delete >> this >>>>>> message, any attachments, and all copies and backups from your >>>>>> computer. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >

Is it my imagination or am I hearing more supposedly comic feferences to Norfolk in the media? Particularly in reference to supposd in breeding? It's all ver well to include the comment "Very flat, Norfolk." in a comic play but, like dyslexia references, I'm getting tired of these. Incase you have never heard him or had the pleasure of introducing him to an audience here's a link to Sid Kipper https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=sid%20kipper&sm=3 On 12 March 2014 07:33, <[email protected]> wrote: > All move ins now! Up to 25% of homes on the North Norfolk coast are > second or holiday homes and hereabouts we have lots of people from out > of county.Kids with local accents get the " I can't read I can't write I > can drive a tractor " jibes and slip into estuary/TV speak. The accent > seems to be regarded by non Norfolk people as either quaint or thick so > it is disappearing and children no longer spend time as much time around > older people as they once did to pick it up. > I assume this is much the same in every region, especially rural > areas. except Scotland and Wales where the accents and dialects seem to > be regarded as a matter of national pride and are acceptable to > broadcasters and employers. No doubt someone will put me right on that! > David's link to the article might give an insight into why the > enumerators not from Norfolk came up with some weird versions of our > village names. > Rosie > On 11/03/2014 20:05, David Mills wrote: > > Bob, > > On Mardle Fen is always fun if not always accurate..... interestingly it > > was the word "mardle" which took me to the site.... a word that seemed > as a > > kid to mean atleast two things: Daydreaming and gossiping. I din't know > the > > pond connection. > > > > I'd dealy love to go back to Tunstead and see what people sound like > these > > days. We went back to Wells NtS a few years ago for my Aunt's 80th > > birthday. I hadn't been back since 1975/6 winter for various reasons. It > > was at least two hours before I actually heard anything approaching the > > accent that I knew of old. Which probably explains why, having read a > > couple of John Kett's Poems (remember him and his brother, Bill?) , a > > fellow member of the folk club said that she had never heard anyone in > > Winterton speak like that or use such dialect. "We own a holiday cottage > > there. So I know what Norfolk sounds like." > > There is a lady who works inthe local Charity shop comes from Norwich. > > First met Joan in the queue at the local supermarket and overheard her. > So, > > I said hello and we fell to talking. Next time I saw she said she had a > > bone to pick with me..."All that Norfolk talking the other day. My > daughter > > said to me'Mothe who're you met? You're talking funny again.' That's your > > fault." I'd picked up her slight accent and during the conversation it > had > > become more obvious and my wife told me that by the time we'd finished I > > was almost as broad. That habit/ablity has got me into trouble before > > because I used to pick up Irish accents and be accused of taking the > > mickey. I also had a colleague for years who hailed from Norwich.... some > > of her grammatical peculiarities would make other colleagues shudder. As > > head of English, I suppose that is unerstandable. Mind you with a > Yorkshire > > Tyke and a Cumbrian on the staff (let alone the various colonials ) most > of > > them didn't have a leg to stand on. > > > > Which was Kingdom? The one with Fry in it? That never really impressed > me. > > > > Take care all. > > David > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11 March 2014 19:08, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Where Kingdom went wrong is that it tried to put an accent to words > >> which were not phrased the way we say them. Doesnt work > >> The Fen accent is really elusive. My father's side is all fen, and I > >> lived on the fen edge for fifteen years,but I could not speak with the > >> accent of my Greats from March if I tried. > >> Rosie > >> On 11/03/2014 16:54, Bob Rust wrote: > >>> Thanks for that David, very interesting for Cockney speaker. > >>> > >>> Has anyone heard the Radio 4 series "On Mardle Fen". > >>> The old fen man sounded good to me, I wondered what real Norfolk > speakers > >>> thought of it after the comments on "Kingdom" > >>> > >>> Bob > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "David Mills" <[email protected]> > >>> To: <[email protected]> > >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 11:24 AM > >>> Subject: [NFK] Intreset: Dialect > >>> > >>> > >>>> Interesting Wikipedia entry > >>>> > >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norfolk_dialect > >>>> > >>>> best > >>>> > >>>> David > >>>> -- > >>>> > >>>> Please note that this e-mail and any files transmitted with it may be > >>>> privileged, confidential, and protected from disclosure under > >>>> applicable law. 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By the way I did not say in my previous message, I am fourth generation in Australia and the first to ever visit Norfolk since the family left in 1853. Jenny C ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Mills" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 10:24 PM Subject: [NFK] Intreset: Dialect > Interesting Wikipedia entry > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norfolk_dialect > > best > > David > -- > > Please note that this e-mail and any files transmitted with it may be > privileged, confidential, and protected from disclosure under > applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended > recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this > message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this > communication or any of its attachments is strictly prohibited. If > you have received this communication in error, please notify the > sender immediately by replying to this message and then delete this > message, any attachments, and all copies and backups from your > computer. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Just read with interest comments about the article. Both my husband's family and my own paternal lines came from Norfolk. My husband from Wimbotsham and mine from Fersfield. When we visited Norfolk a few years back I had no trouble understanding anyone but my husband complained of how difficult it was for him. Later though in north Scotland he had no trouble with the Scottish dialect. I did. In reading the list of phrases etc, yes I heard many of them even after three generations in Australia. Is it because the family stayed settled in the one area for most of that time and thereby avaided any other dialects from the newcomers? Jenny C ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Mills" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 10:24 PM Subject: [NFK] Intreset: Dialect > Interesting Wikipedia entry > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norfolk_dialect > > best > > David > -- > > Please note that this e-mail and any files transmitted with it may be > privileged, confidential, and protected from disclosure under > applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended > recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this > message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this > communication or any of its attachments is strictly prohibited. If > you have received this communication in error, please notify the > sender immediately by replying to this message and then delete this > message, any attachments, and all copies and backups from your > computer. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

All move ins now! Up to 25% of homes on the North Norfolk coast are second or holiday homes and hereabouts we have lots of people from out of county.Kids with local accents get the " I can't read I can't write I can drive a tractor " jibes and slip into estuary/TV speak. The accent seems to be regarded by non Norfolk people as either quaint or thick so it is disappearing and children no longer spend time as much time around older people as they once did to pick it up. I assume this is much the same in every region, especially rural areas. except Scotland and Wales where the accents and dialects seem to be regarded as a matter of national pride and are acceptable to broadcasters and employers. No doubt someone will put me right on that! David's link to the article might give an insight into why the enumerators not from Norfolk came up with some weird versions of our village names. Rosie On 11/03/2014 20:05, David Mills wrote: > Bob, > On Mardle Fen is always fun if not always accurate..... interestingly it > was the word "mardle" which took me to the site.... a word that seemed as a > kid to mean atleast two things: Daydreaming and gossiping. I din't know the > pond connection. > > I'd dealy love to go back to Tunstead and see what people sound like these > days. We went back to Wells NtS a few years ago for my Aunt's 80th > birthday. I hadn't been back since 1975/6 winter for various reasons. It > was at least two hours before I actually heard anything approaching the > accent that I knew of old. Which probably explains why, having read a > couple of John Kett's Poems (remember him and his brother, Bill?) , a > fellow member of the folk club said that she had never heard anyone in > Winterton speak like that or use such dialect. "We own a holiday cottage > there. So I know what Norfolk sounds like." > There is a lady who works inthe local Charity shop comes from Norwich. > First met Joan in the queue at the local supermarket and overheard her. So, > I said hello and we fell to talking. Next time I saw she said she had a > bone to pick with me..."All that Norfolk talking the other day. My daughter > said to me'Mothe who're you met? You're talking funny again.' That's your > fault." I'd picked up her slight accent and during the conversation it had > become more obvious and my wife told me that by the time we'd finished I > was almost as broad. That habit/ablity has got me into trouble before > because I used to pick up Irish accents and be accused of taking the > mickey. I also had a colleague for years who hailed from Norwich.... some > of her grammatical peculiarities would make other colleagues shudder. As > head of English, I suppose that is unerstandable. Mind you with a Yorkshire > Tyke and a Cumbrian on the staff (let alone the various colonials ) most of > them didn't have a leg to stand on. > > Which was Kingdom? The one with Fry in it? That never really impressed me. > > Take care all. > David > > > > > > On 11 March 2014 19:08, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Where Kingdom went wrong is that it tried to put an accent to words >> which were not phrased the way we say them. Doesnt work >> The Fen accent is really elusive. My father's side is all fen, and I >> lived on the fen edge for fifteen years,but I could not speak with the >> accent of my Greats from March if I tried. >> Rosie >> On 11/03/2014 16:54, Bob Rust wrote: >>> Thanks for that David, very interesting for Cockney speaker. >>> >>> Has anyone heard the Radio 4 series "On Mardle Fen". >>> The old fen man sounded good to me, I wondered what real Norfolk speakers >>> thought of it after the comments on "Kingdom" >>> >>> Bob >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "David Mills" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 11:24 AM >>> Subject: [NFK] Intreset: Dialect >>> >>> >>>> Interesting Wikipedia entry >>>> >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norfolk_dialect >>>> >>>> best >>>> >>>> David >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Please note that this e-mail and any files transmitted with it may be >>>> privileged, confidential, and protected from disclosure under >>>> applicable law. 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Hi All, Sometime ago I enquired on this list about Richard Johnson FARTHING who married Mary Ann Cragg and had a family with a number of different birth places, no child seeming to know where he or she was born. The record on FreeREG for him had him dying in the workhouse but he was either too young to be consistent with that family, or, in BT's he was an infant. I felt that record was incorrect. Now, with the help of this list, and with the help of Vivienne Fitch who is doing a FARTHING one name study I know a lot more about him. Vivienne sent for a death certificate. That shows he died 25 March 1838 in St James Workhouse in King's Lynn Middle. He is just listed as Richard Farthing and is 47 and a currier. He died of an aortic aneurism. That gives a birth date of around 1790/1. So I believe he is the son of Robert FARTHING and Frances JOHNSON who was baptised at Blakeney on 04 Nov 1789. Many thanks to all who helped on this list and to Vivienne. Christine

Bob, On Mardle Fen is always fun if not always accurate..... interestingly it was the word "mardle" which took me to the site.... a word that seemed as a kid to mean atleast two things: Daydreaming and gossiping. I din't know the pond connection. I'd dealy love to go back to Tunstead and see what people sound like these days. We went back to Wells NtS a few years ago for my Aunt's 80th birthday. I hadn't been back since 1975/6 winter for various reasons. It was at least two hours before I actually heard anything approaching the accent that I knew of old. Which probably explains why, having read a couple of John Kett's Poems (remember him and his brother, Bill?) , a fellow member of the folk club said that she had never heard anyone in Winterton speak like that or use such dialect. "We own a holiday cottage there. So I know what Norfolk sounds like." There is a lady who works inthe local Charity shop comes from Norwich. First met Joan in the queue at the local supermarket and overheard her. So, I said hello and we fell to talking. Next time I saw she said she had a bone to pick with me..."All that Norfolk talking the other day. My daughter said to me'Mothe who're you met? You're talking funny again.' That's your fault." I'd picked up her slight accent and during the conversation it had become more obvious and my wife told me that by the time we'd finished I was almost as broad. That habit/ablity has got me into trouble before because I used to pick up Irish accents and be accused of taking the mickey. I also had a colleague for years who hailed from Norwich.... some of her grammatical peculiarities would make other colleagues shudder. As head of English, I suppose that is unerstandable. Mind you with a Yorkshire Tyke and a Cumbrian on the staff (let alone the various colonials ) most of them didn't have a leg to stand on. Which was Kingdom? The one with Fry in it? That never really impressed me. Take care all. David On 11 March 2014 19:08, <[email protected]> wrote: > Where Kingdom went wrong is that it tried to put an accent to words > which were not phrased the way we say them. Doesnt work > The Fen accent is really elusive. My father's side is all fen, and I > lived on the fen edge for fifteen years,but I could not speak with the > accent of my Greats from March if I tried. > Rosie > On 11/03/2014 16:54, Bob Rust wrote: > > Thanks for that David, very interesting for Cockney speaker. > > > > Has anyone heard the Radio 4 series "On Mardle Fen". > > The old fen man sounded good to me, I wondered what real Norfolk speakers > > thought of it after the comments on "Kingdom" > > > > Bob > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "David Mills" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 11:24 AM > > Subject: [NFK] Intreset: Dialect > > > > > >> Interesting Wikipedia entry > >> > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norfolk_dialect > >> > >> best > >> > >> David > >> -- > >> > >> Please note that this e-mail and any files transmitted with it may be > >> privileged, confidential, and protected from disclosure under > >> applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended > >> recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this > >> message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > >> reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this > >> communication or any of its attachments is strictly prohibited. If > >> you have received this communication in error, please notify the > >> sender immediately by replying to this message and then delete this > >> message, any attachments, and all copies and backups from your > >> computer. > >> > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Please note that this e-mail and any files transmitted with it may be privileged, confidential, and protected from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this communication or any of its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message and then delete this message, any attachments, and all copies and backups from your computer.

Where Kingdom went wrong is that it tried to put an accent to words which were not phrased the way we say them. Doesnt work The Fen accent is really elusive. My father's side is all fen, and I lived on the fen edge for fifteen years,but I could not speak with the accent of my Greats from March if I tried. Rosie On 11/03/2014 16:54, Bob Rust wrote: > Thanks for that David, very interesting for Cockney speaker. > > Has anyone heard the Radio 4 series "On Mardle Fen". > The old fen man sounded good to me, I wondered what real Norfolk speakers > thought of it after the comments on "Kingdom" > > Bob > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Mills" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 11:24 AM > Subject: [NFK] Intreset: Dialect > > >> Interesting Wikipedia entry >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norfolk_dialect >> >> best >> >> David >> -- >> >> Please note that this e-mail and any files transmitted with it may be >> privileged, confidential, and protected from disclosure under >> applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended >> recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this >> message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any >> reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this >> communication or any of its attachments is strictly prohibited. If >> you have received this communication in error, please notify the >> sender immediately by replying to this message and then delete this >> message, any attachments, and all copies and backups from your >> computer. >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

David Mills wrote: Interesting Wikipedia entry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norfolk_dialect Well bless yew Young David, that there c'mpooter link's suff'n good. Dew the rest on y' tek a gander an'orl! Boy Bill

Thank you to all who helped me in my family research concerning Robert Bix from Binham. Regards Lee

Thanks for that David, very interesting for Cockney speaker. Has anyone heard the Radio 4 series "On Mardle Fen". The old fen man sounded good to me, I wondered what real Norfolk speakers thought of it after the comments on "Kingdom" Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Mills" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 11:24 AM Subject: [NFK] Intreset: Dialect > Interesting Wikipedia entry > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norfolk_dialect > > best > > David > -- > > Please note that this e-mail and any files transmitted with it may be > privileged, confidential, and protected from disclosure under > applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended > recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this > message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this > communication or any of its attachments is strictly prohibited. If > you have received this communication in error, please notify the > sender immediately by replying to this message and then delete this > message, any attachments, and all copies and backups from your > computer. > >