Have you got a drove name as well Marjorie? There were Bartles at Pymoor/Oxlode but cant find a Fen named for them-some of the names for smaller fens seem to sort of fall out of use or change . Who was the ancestor-if we can find a name cluster we might be able to narrow down the location. Could it be nearer Fleet/Gedney ? I cant see it on the maps I have got but that means nothing! Rosie On 30/03/2014 11:41, M Cook wrote: > Can anybody tell me where Bartle Fen is or was, please? It appears as > the birth place of a possible ancestor about 1840 and is probably in the > Outwell, Emneth, Murrow, Sutton St Edmunds or Parson Drove area. I've > tried Google maps, Goggle search and a 19th Century Ordnance Survey > map. Any help would be appreciated. > > Marjorie Cook > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Snap <bg> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 30/03/2014 12:34, Sheila WB wrote: > Outside chance of Bardolph Fen? > Stow Bardolph.

Hi Marjorie Casting around for Bartle Fen I found very little In the 1911 there is a young lady by the name of Mary DEW b1889 Bartle Fen Norfolk married 1 year to a John DEW In 1910 a marriage was registered in N Witchford showing her as Mary Ann TUCK marrying John Robert DEW Looking back I found what I think is her in 1891 a daughter of Reuben & Margaret TUCK living in Stow Bardolph, birthplace Stow Bardolph In 1901 with family in Chatteris Cambs her birthplace as Stow Norfolk Looking at an OS map of the period I cannot see a Bartle Fen , however could it be Bardolph Fen perhaps ? And likewise for your target whose name you don't give unfortunately Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 30/03/2014 11:41, M Cook wrote: > Can anybody tell me where Bartle Fen is or was, please? It appears as > the birth place of a possible ancestor about 1840 and is probably in the > Outwell, Emneth, Murrow, Sutton St Edmunds or Parson Drove area. I've > tried Google maps, Goggle search and a 19th Century Ordnance Survey > map. Any help would be appreciated. > > Marjorie Cook

Outside chance of Bardolph Fen?  Stow Bardolph. >________________________________ > From: M Cook <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Sunday, 30 March 2014, 11:41 >Subject: [NFK] BARTLE FEN > > >Can anybody tell me where Bartle Fen is or was, please?  It appears as >the birth place of a possible ancestor about 1840 and is probably in the >Outwell, Emneth, Murrow, Sutton St Edmunds or Parson Drove area.  I've >tried Google maps, Goggle search and a 19th Century Ordnance Survey >map.  Any help would be appreciated. > >Marjorie Cook > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

A plea to everyone - please tell us exactly where you found the words/name you're referring to. Hopefully we can then look at those words ourselves. In the meantime we're left wondering - is it a transcription? Is it your interpretation of what's written? Is the writing as clear as day? Or a bit of a scribble? Was it on a census? (Census ref, please.) In a parish register? (Which parish? Date?) Without names and context we often can't help. Or else go barking up the wrong tree. :) Over to you Marjorie. <g> Pam On 30/03/2014 11:41, M Cook wrote: > Can anybody tell me where Bartle Fen is or was, please? It appears as > the birth place of a possible ancestor about 1840 and is probably in the > Outwell, Emneth, Murrow, Sutton St Edmunds or Parson Drove area. I've > tried Google maps, Goggle search and a 19th Century Ordnance Survey > map. Any help would be appreciated. > > Marjorie Cook > > -------------------------------

Can anybody tell me where Bartle Fen is or was, please? It appears as the birth place of a possible ancestor about 1840 and is probably in the Outwell, Emneth, Murrow, Sutton St Edmunds or Parson Drove area. I've tried Google maps, Goggle search and a 19th Century Ordnance Survey map. Any help would be appreciated. Marjorie Cook

In Essex, Sticky Willy or Goose Grass. Bob

Hi the simplest answer is I don`t know but Norfolk pubs must have got this information from somewhere . In fact if you find NROCAT and put King, Robert in the keyword search , it brings up 1833 NCC will register Cubitt 49 , he is a miller and farmer of Methwold . life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wendy Inskeep" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 8:41 PM Subject: [NFK] George and Rebecca GREEN now Robert KING > Thank you for the help and interest I have received for my query on George > and Rebecca GREEN. Sorry I have taken so long to thank you but I have got > sidetracked onto the KING family thanks to Elizabeth's reply! > > >> George Green and Rebecca Lambert were married in her parish by licence >> on >> December 28 1812 at St Nicholas Church, Feltwell where they both signed >> their names. > George was a >> millwright at first and then he eventually became the proprietor of the >> "Cock" in Methwold (1830-31) > They gave their children the usual names -Daniel (Rebecca's father's name) > George,( his father ) William, Elizabeth Lambert, ( Rebecca's mother ) > Anne and Martha Matilda. > > > This will interested me greatly Elizabeth as I had not seen it before. > " In his will of 1833 Robert King bequeathed > the Cock Inn , a corn mill and other properties to his son in law John > Batterbee". . so perhaps the Greens never owned it but simply tenanted > it. > > Quite possible they were running it for Robert KING as Rebecca's mother > was Elizabeth KING. > > Is this will available online? > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

>From the Wells St. Nicholas register of baptisms 1827-1833 page 83. “Private Baptism at the parents’ houses had been, with a few exceptions, administered by Mr. V. Hill. As it is contrary to the Rubrick, except in cases of illness, I announced in my first Sermon my determination to break thro’ the custom, & my expectation that the children should be brought to the Font; which has been almost invariably complied with. J.R.H.” <J.R. Hopper – Curate> I have come across similar notes in other Norfolk registers. Abuse of the privilege (normally reserved for those infants with a poor chance of survival) appears to have been widespread. Best regards to all ................ Bill Atkins http://www.oldshuck.webspace.virginmedia.com/

Thank you for the help and interest I have received for my query on George and Rebecca GREEN. Sorry I have taken so long to thank you but I have got sidetracked onto the KING family thanks to Elizabeth's reply! > George Green and Rebecca Lambert were married in her parish by licence on > December 28 1812 at St Nicholas Church, Feltwell where they both signed > their names. George was a > millwright at first and then he eventually became the proprietor of the > "Cock" in Methwold (1830-31) They gave their children the usual names -Daniel (Rebecca's father's name) George,( his father ) William, Elizabeth Lambert, ( Rebecca's mother ) Anne and Martha Matilda. This will interested me greatly Elizabeth as I had not seen it before. " In his will of 1833 Robert King bequeathed the Cock Inn , a corn mill and other properties to his son in law John Batterbee". . so perhaps the Greens never owned it but simply tenanted it. Quite possible they were running it for Robert KING as Rebecca's mother was Elizabeth KING. Is this will available online?

Four Silletts (various spellings) appear in the list of Freemen of Norwich. The same four are on a list of Burgesses of Yarmouth. I have wills for two of these (1435 and 1451) and both contain “gratis” in the headings, presumably referring to their Freeman status. I am trying to speculate as to why Norwich Freemen seem automatically to be awarded the status of Burgess in Yarmouth, or vice versa. Is there a medieval expert out there who could comment. Brian Sillett

Hi, just another Downham Boy ....Harry Parsons Watson , GRANDSON of Mrs Watson of Lynn Road. I can find him on the 1911 on FMP and he is indeed living as an 11 yr old with George and Sarah Watson, builder, in Church Road with various older single children of George and Sarah`s..........missing are Nelly and Beatrice . both in the 1901 census with the family , and 16 month old Harry , who is described as son ..........but can only surely be grandson as Sarah has to be past childbearing at 50.......so is he the son of Beatrice which seems most likely ? And is he names Parsons after his natural father ? the only Parsons funnily enough are the family of a Somerset born coachman who has two sons born in Downham in 1898 and 1899 but coachman Parsons is a Somerset born man .......too complicated for this late in the day !!!!! anyone with a clearer head please and thank you . life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=///

Hi Liz, There are a bunch of Parsons from Brancaster area Peter Toronto Sent from my iPad > On Mar 28, 2014, at 12:54 PM, "elizabeth howard" <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi, just another Downham Boy ....Harry Parsons Watson , GRANDSON of Mrs Watson of Lynn Road. I can find him on the 1911 on FMP and he is indeed living as an 11 yr old with George and Sarah Watson, builder, in Church Road with various older single children of George and Sarah`s..........missing are Nelly and Beatrice . both in the 1901 census with the family , and 16 month old Harry , who is described as son ..........but can only surely be grandson as Sarah has to be past childbearing at 50.......so is he the son of Beatrice which seems most likely ? And is he names Parsons after his natural father ? the only Parsons funnily enough are the family of a Somerset born coachman who has two sons born in Downham in 1898 and 1899 but coachman Parsons is a Somerset born man .......too complicated for this late in the day !!!!! anyone with a clearer head please and thank you . > > > > > > life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, thanks so much , sometimes the more you look the less you find......this is fantastic , thanks. I saw the one in Dartford but of course hadn`t found Charles the brother so passed on this one. That is another wall down ........thanks again . life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine Benson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [NFK] GWSPINKS > Hi Elizabeth, > > The George William SPINKS born 1882 has the following entry on Ancestry > England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 about George William > Spinks > Name: George William Spinks > Gender: Male > Birth Date: 11 Oct 1882 > Baptism Date: 3 Nov 1882 > Baptism Place: Downham, Norfolk, England > Father: John Spinks > Mother: Mary Jane > FHL Film Number: 1526703 > Reference ID: item 6 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The 1891 census > > 1891 England Census about George Spinks > Name: George Spinks > Age: 8 > Estimated birth year: abt 1883 > Relation: Son > Father's Name: John Spinks > Mother's name: Mary J Spinks > Gender: Male > Where born: Downham, Norfolk, England > Civil Parish: Denver > Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary > County/Island: Norfolk > Country: England > Registration district: Downham > Sub-registration district: Downham > ED, institution, or vessel: 6 > Piece: 1572 > Folio: 91 > Page Number: 9 > Household Members: > Name Age > John Spinks 35 > Mary J Spinks 31 > George Spinks 8 > Charles Spinks 6 > Edith Spinks 4 > Ada J Spinks 2 > John P Spinks 10 Weeks > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > And 1901 > > 1901 England Census about George Spinks > Name: George Spinks > Age: 18 > Estimated birth year: abt 1883 > Relation to Head: Lodger > Gender: Male > Birth Place: Norfolk, England > Civil Parish: Dartford > Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity > Town: Dartford > County/Island: Kent > Country: England > Registration district: Dartford > Sub-registration district: Dartford > ED, institution, or vessel: 2 > Piece: 702 > Folio: 53 > Page Number: 58 > Household schedule number: 350 > Household Members: > Name Age > Charles Smith 33 > Louisa Smith 35 > George Spinks 18 > Charles Spinks 16 > Bert Richards 20 > James Bowles 22 > Jack Leonard 23 > Nealey Cole 39 > James Turner 33 > > I cannot be sure this is your George but the presence of the younger > brother > Charles highly suggests it. > > I cannot find him in 1911. > > Hope this helps > > Christine > > -----Original Message----- > From: elizabeth howard > Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 4:12 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [NFK] GWSPINKS > > Hi, just realised the marriage in 1918 must be GW Spinks b > 1899 as the marriage takes place in the Dec 1/4 .Our chap was KIA in March > 1918 , so that leaves just the one b 1882 as being the casualty. > > > > > life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Funny but we always called "Mare's Tails" "Cat Tail" and that was impossible to get rid of! I remember helping my Dad once and we dug and dug along one root and it went for yards and yards! Worse than digging up stinging nettles! It is such a shame that I am probably in the last generation to talk with a real Norfolk accent because it is being so watered down. Glynn http://www.norfolk-tours.co.uk

Hi Elizabeth, The George William SPINKS born 1882 has the following entry on Ancestry England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 about George William Spinks Name: George William Spinks Gender: Male Birth Date: 11 Oct 1882 Baptism Date: 3 Nov 1882 Baptism Place: Downham, Norfolk, England Father: John Spinks Mother: Mary Jane FHL Film Number: 1526703 Reference ID: item 6 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The 1891 census 1891 England Census about George Spinks Name: George Spinks Age: 8 Estimated birth year: abt 1883 Relation: Son Father's Name: John Spinks Mother's name: Mary J Spinks Gender: Male Where born: Downham, Norfolk, England Civil Parish: Denver Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary County/Island: Norfolk Country: England Registration district: Downham Sub-registration district: Downham ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Piece: 1572 Folio: 91 Page Number: 9 Household Members: Name Age John Spinks 35 Mary J Spinks 31 George Spinks 8 Charles Spinks 6 Edith Spinks 4 Ada J Spinks 2 John P Spinks 10 Weeks ------------------------------------------------------------------------ And 1901 1901 England Census about George Spinks Name: George Spinks Age: 18 Estimated birth year: abt 1883 Relation to Head: Lodger Gender: Male Birth Place: Norfolk, England Civil Parish: Dartford Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity Town: Dartford County/Island: Kent Country: England Registration district: Dartford Sub-registration district: Dartford ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Piece: 702 Folio: 53 Page Number: 58 Household schedule number: 350 Household Members: Name Age Charles Smith 33 Louisa Smith 35 George Spinks 18 Charles Spinks 16 Bert Richards 20 James Bowles 22 Jack Leonard 23 Nealey Cole 39 James Turner 33 I cannot be sure this is your George but the presence of the younger brother Charles highly suggests it. I cannot find him in 1911. Hope this helps Christine -----Original Message----- From: elizabeth howard Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 4:12 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [NFK] GWSPINKS Hi, just realised the marriage in 1918 must be GW Spinks b 1899 as the marriage takes place in the Dec 1/4 .Our chap was KIA in March 1918 , so that leaves just the one b 1882 as being the casualty. life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, just realised the marriage in 1918 must be GW Spinks b 1899 as the marriage takes place in the Dec 1/4 .Our chap was KIA in March 1918 , so that leaves just the one b 1882 as being the casualty. life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=///

Hi, this chap was killed 96 years and 3 days ago in March 1918 . I am guessing somewhere on the Ypres battlefield as he is buried at Pozieres. He was a driver in the RFA ...... FreeBMD has two , a possible born March 1/4 1899 Downham district which is perhaps pushing the age limit to the limit ......but not unknown for these very young boys joining up aged 15/16 ......or a more likely Geo Wm born in the Dec 1882 1/4 Downham district. . There is a marriage FMP of a George W Spinks in Downham district in 1918 I cannot find him in the 1891 , 1901 or 1911 census under Spinks , Spink , on Ancestry nor FMP . Can someone please find him ......I don`t mind buying his birth cert if push comes to shove but perhaps someone can spot him , he should have been somewhere on all three census .....thanks. life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=///

I haven't heard that name for Cleavers/Goosgrass fo many years. We used to stick it to people's clothes and chant "You've got a Boy/Girl friend!". I even taught my own children that and (from timet o tiem) children in my classes) The best bit was the seeds that stuck to clothes! The were the number of kisses!! So not so boring after all. As for chickweed. Use it in salads...or for all sorts of medicines...particularly for the skin..... Interestingly alongside cleavers! On 26 March 2014 10:08, elizabeth howard <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi , not mares tails thankfully , but just boring old > sweethearts and chickweed.......!! > > > > > life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Mills" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 6:53 PM > Subject: Re: [NFK] Accent > > > > Bob, they were probably "in-comers"....... > > > > Elizabeth, What was it you were weeding out? If it was mares' tails I'd > > agree with her...... > > > > > > > > On 25 March 2014 13:59, elizabeth howard <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Hi, but there are still lots of older people living in > this > >> part of Norfolk who do " speak Narf`k" like the lady who spoke to me as > >> I > >> was weeding a flower bed alongside the pavement ........" You`ll never > >> get > >> rid on it ." very very local , on it instead of of it ..... > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Bob Rust" <[email protected]> > >> To: "Norfolk" <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 11:08 AM > >> Subject: [NFK] Accent > >> > >> > >> > With all the 'talk' of the Norfolk accent recently this came to mind. > >> > An item in Woman's Hour featured girls and teachers from Springwood > >> > High > >> > School in Lynn. > >> > Not one Norfolk voice in the piece. > >> > RP is steadily fazing out local accents. > >> > > >> > Bob > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Please note that this e-mail and any files transmitted with it may be > > privileged, confidential, and protected from disclosure under > > applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended > > recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this > > message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > > reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this > > communication or any of its attachments is strictly prohibited. If > > you have received this communication in error, please notify the > > sender immediately by replying to this message and then delete this > > message, any attachments, and all copies and backups from your > > computer. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Please note that this e-mail and any files transmitted with it may be privileged, confidential, and protected from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this communication or any of its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message and then delete this message, any attachments, and all copies and backups from your computer.

Hi , not mares tails thankfully , but just boring old sweethearts and chickweed.......!! life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Mills" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [NFK] Accent > Bob, they were probably "in-comers"....... > > Elizabeth, What was it you were weeding out? If it was mares' tails I'd > agree with her...... > > > > On 25 March 2014 13:59, elizabeth howard <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi, but there are still lots of older people living in this >> part of Norfolk who do " speak Narf`k" like the lady who spoke to me as >> I >> was weeding a flower bed alongside the pavement ........" You`ll never >> get >> rid on it ." very very local , on it instead of of it ..... >> >> >> >> >> life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bob Rust" <[email protected]> >> To: "Norfolk" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 11:08 AM >> Subject: [NFK] Accent >> >> >> > With all the 'talk' of the Norfolk accent recently this came to mind. >> > An item in Woman's Hour featured girls and teachers from Springwood >> > High >> > School in Lynn. >> > Not one Norfolk voice in the piece. >> > RP is steadily fazing out local accents. >> > >> > Bob >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > -- > > Please note that this e-mail and any files transmitted with it may be > privileged, confidential, and protected from disclosure under > applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended > recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this > message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this > communication or any of its attachments is strictly prohibited. If > you have received this communication in error, please notify the > sender immediately by replying to this message and then delete this > message, any attachments, and all copies and backups from your > computer. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >