Hi Nivard, Originally, we thought her name was Maud Agnes, but when the record for Maude Adelaide appeared with the correct parents, I thought perhaps this was actually her! Parents: F - James Taylor M - Rose (or Rosa) Barnes Siblings: Horace James - B 1880 - Griston, Norfolk Alice Maud - B 1882 - Griston, Nrfolk Florence Mabel - B 1888 - Griston, Norfolk Ethel M - B 1895 - Griston, Norfolk Maud (my ggrandmother) married A. Simmons in Horsham, Suffolk in 1913 and then immigrated to Canada, where she died in 1921 from Scarlett Fever & Child Birth. I have not been able to locate a birth record or baptism/christening for my Maud, but she does appear on 1891 England census, living with her parents & siblings in Sproule with Palgrave, Norfolk. Thanks, Jennifer R. Burrell Print Media Consulting 2040 Broadleaf Cres., Burlington, ON L7L 6S4 Tel: 905-331-0564 Cell:289-838-4626 Fax: 905-331-1431 Email: [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington via Sent: Friday, August 08, 2014 10:57 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NFK] Taylor Hi Jennifer The entry on Ancestry is from familysearch, its not a different record If your lady was named Maude Adelaide TAYLOR and was born 1885 in Norfolk, then yes its likely to be her but you need to give more information to enable us to determine that Do you know her parents? Birthplace etc If the baptism looks correct, you can order a copy direct from the LDS (its free) it will hopefully tell you a home address and fathers occupation, it may only give a village for their abode and will not give the mothers maiden name To get more you would need to purchase the birth cert for her England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Maud Adelaide Taylor Name: Maud Adelaide Taylor Registration Year: 1885 Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun Registration district: Wayland Inferred County: Norfolk Volume: 4b Page: 283 You can order online here <http://www.gro.gov.uk/GRO/content/certificates/default.asp> Details needed are above Tick the box with GRO index reference Its £9.25 post paid anywhere But first you may want to repost to make sure its the right person before you order There may be some confusion with the LDS, some batches cover more than one place, as the birth was registered in Norfolk I suspect the baptism was also Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 08/08/2014 15:38, jennifer via wrote: > Hello, > > I was hoping someone would be able to help me with determining if this > is indeed my great grandmother. > > On the LDS (familysearch.org) website they have the following listing: > > Maude Adelaide Taylor > Gender: Female > Christening Date: 30 Mar 1885 > Christening Place: Griston, Norfolk, England > Father's Name: James Taylor > Mother's Name: Rosa Taylor > Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I03903-5 , System Origin: > England-EASy , GS Film number: 1526622 , Reference ID: item 4 p 59 > > and on ancestry.ca is the following: > > Name: Maude Adelaide Taylor > Gender: Female > Baptism Date: 30 Mar 1885 > Baptism Place: Griston, Norfolk, England > Father: James Taylor > Mother: Rosa Taylor > FHL Film Number: 1526622 > Reference ID: item 4 p 59 > > But when I try to confirm if this is the correct person, no more > information is available. I contacted LDS for clarification, but they > came back with no further information, and in fact said the record > they have (which I have listed above is actually for Suffolk) > > Any help in clarifying this would be greatly appreciated. > > Cheers, > > Jennifer R. Burrell ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, I was hoping someone would be able to help me with determining if this is indeed my great grandmother. On the LDS (familysearch.org) website they have the following listing: Maude Adelaide Taylor Gender: Female Christening Date: 30 Mar 1885 Christening Place: Griston, Norfolk, England Father's Name: James Taylor Mother's Name: Rosa Taylor Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I03903-5 , System Origin: England-EASy , GS Film number: 1526622 , Reference ID: item 4 p 59 and on ancestry.ca is the following: Name: Maude Adelaide Taylor Gender: Female Baptism Date: 30 Mar 1885 Baptism Place: Griston, Norfolk, England Father: James Taylor Mother: Rosa Taylor FHL Film Number: 1526622 Reference ID: item 4 p 59 But when I try to confirm if this is the correct person, no more information is available. I contacted LDS for clarification, but they came back with no further information, and in fact said the record they have (which I have listed above is actually for Suffolk) Any help in clarifying this would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Jennifer R. Burrell Print Media Consulting 2040 Broadleaf Cres., Burlington, ON L7L 6S4 Tel: 905-331-0564 Cell:289-838-4626 Fax: 905-331-1431 Email: [email protected]

Greetings, I am trying to find the records for St Paul in Norwich on family search and am unable to. Can anyone help? Thanks Kimberley

Sorry Derek-seems to be wrong Charles Marsh I was looking at if yours was in Gressenhall in 1871 although not sure how they could be orphans in 1871 in Gressenhall when William did not die until 1891, I have probably got them all in the wrong order Rosie On 07/08/2014 22:25, Derek via wrote: > Good evening Listers > > After many years of searching for info on my great grandfather, William MARSH / MASH, I now have in my possession a copy of his Will. > William died 12th June 1891 at Swanton Morley aged 64 years. > > William left his estate to his 3 children, Charles, Elizabeth and Amelia. Charles was my grandfather and I have found Elizabeth on the 1871 census living with an aunt.. However, Amelia is a name that has never surfaced before. > > I have now found Charles and Amelia living as "inmates" at the Mitford and Launditch Union in the 1871 census. > I can find no other reference to Amelia........ what happened to her.............. did she marry........... when did she die? > > I will make a trip to the Norfolk RO asap but in the meantime wondered if anyone knew anything about this family. > > many thanks > > Derek > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good evening Derek Just asked my mother and she thinks your grandfather or at least some Marsh family lived next door to her grandfather in a row of cottages called the Barracks on Greengate Swanton Morley.They were pulled down when I was about four I think-so around 1956/7.He appears to be there in 1901 next door to my g grandfather. On the 1871 your William was living next to my gg grandfather- I have tried to work out the exact location which I think was at the Town street end of Greengate/Gooseberry Hill . My great grandfather was the village roadman-the cottages were probably some of the poorest left in the village when he lived there. That's all I know- I dont think we are related unless at Hoe. Rosie On 07/08/2014 22:25, Derek via wrote: > Good evening Listers > > After many years of searching for info on my great grandfather, William MARSH / MASH, I now have in my possession a copy of his Will. > William died 12th June 1891 at Swanton Morley aged 64 years. > > William left his estate to his 3 children, Charles, Elizabeth and Amelia. Charles was my grandfather and I have found Elizabeth on the 1871 census living with an aunt.. However, Amelia is a name that has never surfaced before. > > I have now found Charles and Amelia living as "inmates" at the Mitford and Launditch Union in the 1871 census. > I can find no other reference to Amelia........ what happened to her.............. did she marry........... when did she die? > > I will make a trip to the Norfolk RO asap but in the meantime wondered if anyone knew anything about this family. > > many thanks > > Derek > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good evening Listers After many years of searching for info on my great grandfather, William MARSH / MASH,  I now have in my possession a copy of his Will. William died 12th June 1891 at Swanton Morley aged 64 years. William left his estate to his 3 children, Charles, Elizabeth and Amelia. Charles was my grandfather and I have found Elizabeth on the 1871 census living with an aunt.. However, Amelia is a name that has never surfaced before.  I have now found Charles and Amelia living as "inmates" at the Mitford and Launditch Union in the 1871 census.  I can find no other reference to Amelia........ what happened to her.............. did she marry........... when did she die? I will make a trip to the Norfolk RO asap but in the meantime wondered if anyone knew anything about this family.  many thanks Derek

Evelyn is on the CWGC site with her rank given as member. Dod 27/11/1918 grave C23 Downham Market Cemetery. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "elizabeth howard" <[email protected]> To: "M Cook" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 10:35 AM Subject: [NFK] EVELYN IRENE MURRELL > Hi Marjorie , thanks for this..........and you will be pleased > to know there was a small well attended service at the war memorial > yesterday morning at 11 and we let off the scarlet balloons from the > garden of High Haven at about 3. each balloon having a string of brown > labels each with the name of one of the boys .......pictures of that will > go onto the blogspot too ... it was altogether a good day for > commemorations ... And having found Evelyn Irene Murrell , WRAF , died > 1918 aged 23 , of flu and pneumonia but still on active service , I let > off a gorgeous purple balloon for her ... and have had a email from the > Branch President of the RBL that he will try to get a meteal plaque > commemorating her onto the memorial . > Does William Murrell, b Chatteris, proprietor of the Coffee > Pot Downham 1901 , with three daughters Florence , Muriel and Evelyn , > ring any bells with anyone out there...........Murrell isn`t the most > usual name. Thanks . > > > > > life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "M Cook via" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 9:51 AM > Subject: [NFK] CYRIL WALKER ETC > > >> On the 2nd August Elizabeth Howard wrote: >> >> < just a note to thank everyone for their input into the struggle to >> identify the men who died in WW1 and are on the Downham Market war >> memorial .......Thanks very much indeed, you made all the difference !!! >> the Downham Boys on the Downham Blogspot is now complete and in booklet >> form and for wider dissemination of the boys , also in the library . >> Good luck with your own researches.> >> >> Hi, >> >> It seems to me that we should all be thanking you for the time and effort >> you must have put in to collect all these details. It will soon be too >> late to gather some of the family stories which help to identify these >> men. I'm certainly very pleased to know that the information about my >> father's cousin has now been added to the records for the Downham >> memorial. >> >> With many thanks and best wishes, >> >> Marjorie Cook >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > >

Hi everyone, I have on hire at our local LDS FHC the PRs for Forncett St Peter's - marriages 1561-1895 baptisms 1561-1915 Burials 1561-1896 and for Forncett St Mary's - baptisms 1688-1812 marriages1691-1812 burials 1698-1812 If anyone would like me to check this film and photo copy any records please email me - I cannot do blanket searches - not enough time - I have the film on hire until 28 August and can only spend one day a week at the FHC. I do realize that many of the above are on the net, but, this is a film of the actual records. I do hope this is of help to someone, happy hunting Annette WATSON Lismore Australia

Elizabeth on the 1901 the William Murrell with Evelyn, Muriel and Florence gives his birthplace as Brandon Suffolk. The wife Harriet and daughters are born Downham On the 1911 at the Coffee Pot Downham there is daughter Grace but no Muriel but looking at the 1901 Muriel is the same age and has G as an initial so maybe they agreed that it was preferable to Muriel Murrell poor girl! All born Downham except William born Brandon Suffolk Downham of course here is Market not Little. I had wondered if he was one of my Gressenhall Murrells but looks not. Well done on all your efforts . Rosie On 05/08/2014 10:35, elizabeth howard via wrote: > Hi Marjorie , thanks for this..........and you will be pleased > to know there was a small well attended service at the war memorial > yesterday morning at 11 and we let off the scarlet balloons from the garden > of High Haven at about 3. each balloon having a string of brown labels each > with the name of one of the boys .......pictures of that will go onto the > blogspot too ... it was altogether a good day for commemorations ... And > having found Evelyn Irene Murrell , WRAF , died 1918 aged 23 , of flu and > pneumonia but still on active service , I let off a gorgeous purple balloon > for her ... and have had a email from the Branch President of the RBL that > he will try to get a meteal plaque commemorating her onto the memorial . > Does William Murrell, b Chatteris, proprietor of the Coffee > Pot Downham 1901 , with three daughters Florence , Muriel and Evelyn , ring > any bells with anyone out there...........Murrell isn`t the most usual name. > Thanks . > > > > > life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "M Cook via" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 9:51 AM > Subject: [NFK] CYRIL WALKER ETC > > >> On the 2nd August Elizabeth Howard wrote: >> >> < just a note to thank everyone for their input into the struggle to >> identify the men who died in WW1 and are on the Downham Market war >> memorial .......Thanks very much indeed, you made all the difference !!! >> the Downham Boys on the Downham Blogspot is now complete and in booklet >> form and for wider dissemination of the boys , also in the library . >> Good luck with your own researches.> >> >> Hi, >> >> It seems to me that we should all be thanking you for the time and effort >> you must have put in to collect all these details. It will soon be too >> late to gather some of the family stories which help to identify these >> men. I'm certainly very pleased to know that the information about my >> father's cousin has now been added to the records for the Downham >> memorial. >> >> With many thanks and best wishes, >> >> Marjorie Cook >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

1855 - Front of Burials register Jany. 4. The Burial Ground or Yard surrounding the Church of this Parish, having been ordered to be closed against further use as a Burial Ground from the 1st. of this month by an Order of Her Majesty's Privy Council, and a piece of Ground measuring 1 acre 0 roods 28 perches bought by Subscription of the Earl of Leicester to the East of the Church Yard (though separated from it by the small field belonging to Mr. Edwd. Houghton) and the Licence of the Diocesan obtained to inter bodies in the said purchased Ground till his Lordship could come and consecrate it, the first sod of the fencing in was turned by the Rector on Wednesday the third day of January instant, and the first body (of Mary Hall, Widow, No. 1410) interred at the South West Corner of the said Ground, or New Churchyard, on Thursday January 4th. instant. The next Body of an Adult (above 14 years old) will be laid parallel to Mary Hall's, on the North side of it; and so till a little below the brow of the Hill, when the second row or line of bodies will commence at the foot of Mary Hill's grave. The distance from grave to grave at the centre of the graves shall be 18 inches, and from the foot of one to the head of the other, 24 inches. The staple soil shall be left on each grave till the usual settlement has taken place after rain, when a portion of it shall be barrowed down & spread over the lowest parts of Ground. No Grave for an adult shall be of less depth than 7 good feet (Depth of M. Hall's). Bodies under 14 years old shall be buried at the North West Corner; ascending in rotation toward the brow of the Hill, but not beyond the lower part of the Ground, to prevent which a second row (& so on) must be commenced. The distances between the Bodies, at side and end, shall be exactly the same as in the case of Adults. The depth of the Grave for a Body under 14 years old shall be 5 good feet. The Earl of Leicester Agreed to sell the Land for £50 (less than Half the price his Lordship had lately paid for it) as an additional Churchyard, and Mr. Edward Houghton has handsomely agreed to sell to the Parish for the use of the Parish Church for ever a right of sufficient Way thro' the lower part of his field aforesaid from the North wall of the old Church-yard to the North West Corner of the said additional Church Yard (if a right of way existed not) at a reasonable sum, once for all. The Agreement for the Selection and Adoption of this piece of Ground for the above purpose and the payment of the Price, expenses of Enfranchisement and Conveyance, were subscribed to and for by Parishioners of almost every Denomination; And the said additional Churchyard is to be forever and is, as was the Churchyard now closed, open for the burial, or sepulture, of every Parishioner of every Christian Denomination whatsoever, by the Rector, Curate or Officiating Clergyman of the Church of England, on the same terms as heretofore. Sites for Vaults may be selected, subject to the approval of the Rector. Brick graves may be in the same line of rotation, of the same depth as if not brick graves, and - so long as the lid of a coffin be never within 4 ft. of the surface - may at first be prepared for the reception of a second body: to be laid on the first, and of which a record must be kept in the Iron Chest, or in the Register of Burials. John Robt. Hopper A.M. Rector The Churchwardens are at this time, Joseph Springall Southgate and Willm. Gibbs, to both of whom the Parish is much indebted for their active exertions in carrying through this work.

Hi Marjorie , thanks for this..........and you will be pleased to know there was a small well attended service at the war memorial yesterday morning at 11 and we let off the scarlet balloons from the garden of High Haven at about 3. each balloon having a string of brown labels each with the name of one of the boys .......pictures of that will go onto the blogspot too ... it was altogether a good day for commemorations ... And having found Evelyn Irene Murrell , WRAF , died 1918 aged 23 , of flu and pneumonia but still on active service , I let off a gorgeous purple balloon for her ... and have had a email from the Branch President of the RBL that he will try to get a meteal plaque commemorating her onto the memorial . Does William Murrell, b Chatteris, proprietor of the Coffee Pot Downham 1901 , with three daughters Florence , Muriel and Evelyn , ring any bells with anyone out there...........Murrell isn`t the most usual name. Thanks . life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Cook via" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 9:51 AM Subject: [NFK] CYRIL WALKER ETC > On the 2nd August Elizabeth Howard wrote: > > < just a note to thank everyone for their input into the struggle to > identify the men who died in WW1 and are on the Downham Market war > memorial .......Thanks very much indeed, you made all the difference !!! > the Downham Boys on the Downham Blogspot is now complete and in booklet > form and for wider dissemination of the boys , also in the library . > Good luck with your own researches.> > > Hi, > > It seems to me that we should all be thanking you for the time and effort > you must have put in to collect all these details. It will soon be too > late to gather some of the family stories which help to identify these > men. I'm certainly very pleased to know that the information about my > father's cousin has now been added to the records for the Downham > memorial. > > With many thanks and best wishes, > > Marjorie Cook > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

On the 2nd August Elizabeth Howard wrote: < just a note to thank everyone for their input into the struggle to identify the men who died in WW1 and are on the Downham Market war memorial .......Thanks very much indeed, you made all the difference !!! the Downham Boys on the Downham Blogspot is now complete and in booklet form and for wider dissemination of the boys , also in the library . Good luck with your own researches.> Hi, It seems to me that we should all be thanking you for the time and effort you must have put in to collect all these details. It will soon be too late to gather some of the family stories which help to identify these men. I'm certainly very pleased to know that the information about my father's cousin has now been added to the records for the Downham memorial. With many thanks and best wishes, Marjorie Cook

I wish to thank everyone who helped with the same name siblings conundrum. Keith: I am slowly going through all the points you made. All baptisms were from PR images and all 11 children were born at regular 2 year intervals between 1802 and 1819 to James & Martha Sillett at Alburgh, Nfk. (except I can't find Robert b.c. 1811!). There is a Shipmeadow Workhouse record in 1817 a few miles from Alburgh, (but near Beccles in Suffolk) where James & Martha and 6 out of 11 of their children (including Robert) were housed. The older Henry who would have been 11 is not there and the younger Henry yet to be born but he was baptised 1819 back in Alburgh. The family's stay looks to have been a short one. Some way to go then!! Brian Sillett -----Original Message----- From: Keith Drage via Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 6:11 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NFK] Same name siblings Yes it is possible they were brothers, and both living at the same time, but at this period I would have expected at least one of them to have been baptised with a second forename as well, that would distinguish him from the first. I would see the following possibilities as also occurring (without knowing how common the surname and he names of the parents are): 1) As people have indicated, they were a different set of parents of the same name. They could have been cousins of some sort, but naming patterns are also local to areas as well as extended families, so the relationship may not be either direct or obvious. In particular if the parents have names like John / William / Mary / Ann(e) it is extremely possible. 2) That the father is the same, but you do have two wives of the same name, with the first wifes death somewhere in the period. So they would be half brothers rather than brothers. Again at this period I would have expected to see a second forename on one of them. 3) That the first Henry did die somewhere in the 12 years after his birth and the one that died in 1837 is some other unrelated Henry that just happens to match the details, and possibly was not even born in the area. 4) That both Henry's are one and the same, and the two baptism records are either because the parents forgot or were not sure he had been baptised, or that the first entry relates to a private baptism and the second to being received into church. 5) That there is a transcription error on behalf of the original clerk, and he has either got the name of the child wrong (possibly the same as the name as a preceding or subsequent entry) or the names of the parents wrong. If there is a AT/BT, do check the records here as well to ensure that they are the same. I am sure that members of this list could also add at least a couple of further scenarios to this list. As you have not said what records you have used (and their quality), it is difficult to assess the probabilities of the above five, versus them really being brothers (and even with that information it will still be difficult). One thing you should check, as much as you can, is the that the period between the births of all the children does in fact make sense, and that nowhere in that are you seeing evidence of baptisms for two separate families. You do possibly need to start looking round for other evidence than parish records that there really was only one family living at the time. Wills, tax records, deeds, etc. Note that for this you do not need dates; even something like a tax list showing there were two people with the name of the father, versus only one, will help here. Do any further records you have already found match (or eliminate) any of the scenarios I have listed, versus them being brothers? regards Keith Drage Swindon UK On 03/08/2014 10:11, Pam Downes via wrote: > Are you absolutely certain that they are brothers and not second > cousins? (Don't think they can be first cousins if the fathers have the > same name.) > I have one family where the three sons each gave their sons the names of > themselves and their brothers, and then those sons gave their sons the > same three names. As they were all born within about a 10-year period > it's a complete nightmare to sort whose son married Emily, who married > Mary 1, who married Mary 2, etc, without buying/obtaining the marriage > certificates. > > I also have a case of two boys with the same name being born in the same > village a year apart and both married an Emma. (They're twigs so I > haven't probed any further back than their baptisms at the moment so > they may well be related if I go back one or two generations.) If you > rely just on PRs then you could assume that it's just one Charles and > Emma, when it's two. > > But I have heard of instances where two children in the family have the > same name. (I assume that you've checked for a burial for the first > Henry, possibly in another village/town.) > > Pam > > On 03/08/2014 09:04, Brian Sillett via wrote: >> I seem to have two brothers both named Henry by the same parents and born >> 12 years apart. The first Henry was still alive when his namesake was >> born in 1819 and died in 1837. They lived a mere 3 miles apart. >> >> I have checked for any possible errors on my part but can’t find anything >> obvious so I am left with the thought that it might not have been unusual >> to have two brothers with the same given name when both were alive. >> >> Do any listers have the same conundrum? >> >> Brian Sillett >> >> ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes it is possible they were brothers, and both living at the same time, but at this period I would have expected at least one of them to have been baptised with a second forename as well, that would distinguish him from the first. I would see the following possibilities as also occurring (without knowing how common the surname and he names of the parents are): 1) As people have indicated, they were a different set of parents of the same name. They could have been cousins of some sort, but naming patterns are also local to areas as well as extended families, so the relationship may not be either direct or obvious. In particular if the parents have names like John / William / Mary / Ann(e) it is extremely possible. 2) That the father is the same, but you do have two wives of the same name, with the first wifes death somewhere in the period. So they would be half brothers rather than brothers. Again at this period I would have expected to see a second forename on one of them. 3) That the first Henry did die somewhere in the 12 years after his birth and the one that died in 1837 is some other unrelated Henry that just happens to match the details, and possibly was not even born in the area. 4) That both Henry's are one and the same, and the two baptism records are either because the parents forgot or were not sure he had been baptised, or that the first entry relates to a private baptism and the second to being received into church. 5) That there is a transcription error on behalf of the original clerk, and he has either got the name of the child wrong (possibly the same as the name as a preceding or subsequent entry) or the names of the parents wrong. If there is a AT/BT, do check the records here as well to ensure that they are the same. I am sure that members of this list could also add at least a couple of further scenarios to this list. As you have not said what records you have used (and their quality), it is difficult to assess the probabilities of the above five, versus them really being brothers (and even with that information it will still be difficult). One thing you should check, as much as you can, is the that the period between the births of all the children does in fact make sense, and that nowhere in that are you seeing evidence of baptisms for two separate families. You do possibly need to start looking round for other evidence than parish records that there really was only one family living at the time. Wills, tax records, deeds, etc. Note that for this you do not need dates; even something like a tax list showing there were two people with the name of the father, versus only one, will help here. Do any further records you have already found match (or eliminate) any of the scenarios I have listed, versus them being brothers? regards Keith Drage Swindon UK On 03/08/2014 10:11, Pam Downes via wrote: > Are you absolutely certain that they are brothers and not second > cousins? (Don't think they can be first cousins if the fathers have the > same name.) > I have one family where the three sons each gave their sons the names of > themselves and their brothers, and then those sons gave their sons the > same three names. As they were all born within about a 10-year period > it's a complete nightmare to sort whose son married Emily, who married > Mary 1, who married Mary 2, etc, without buying/obtaining the marriage > certificates. > > I also have a case of two boys with the same name being born in the same > village a year apart and both married an Emma. (They're twigs so I > haven't probed any further back than their baptisms at the moment so > they may well be related if I go back one or two generations.) If you > rely just on PRs then you could assume that it's just one Charles and > Emma, when it's two. > > But I have heard of instances where two children in the family have the > same name. (I assume that you've checked for a burial for the first > Henry, possibly in another village/town.) > > Pam > > On 03/08/2014 09:04, Brian Sillett via wrote: >> I seem to have two brothers both named Henry by the same parents and born 12 years apart. The first Henry was still alive when his namesake was born in 1819 and died in 1837. They lived a mere 3 miles apart. >> >> I have checked for any possible errors on my part but can’t find anything obvious so I am left with the thought that it might not have been unusual to have two brothers with the same given name when both were alive. >> >> Do any listers have the same conundrum? >> >> Brian Sillett >> >> ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Are you absolutely certain that they are brothers and not second cousins? (Don't think they can be first cousins if the fathers have the same name.) I have one family where the three sons each gave their sons the names of themselves and their brothers, and then those sons gave their sons the same three names. As they were all born within about a 10-year period it's a complete nightmare to sort whose son married Emily, who married Mary 1, who married Mary 2, etc, without buying/obtaining the marriage certificates. I also have a case of two boys with the same name being born in the same village a year apart and both married an Emma. (They're twigs so I haven't probed any further back than their baptisms at the moment so they may well be related if I go back one or two generations.) If you rely just on PRs then you could assume that it's just one Charles and Emma, when it's two. But I have heard of instances where two children in the family have the same name. (I assume that you've checked for a burial for the first Henry, possibly in another village/town.) Pam On 03/08/2014 09:04, Brian Sillett via wrote: > I seem to have two brothers both named Henry by the same parents and born 12 years apart. The first Henry was still alive when his namesake was born in 1819 and died in 1837. They lived a mere 3 miles apart. > > I have checked for any possible errors on my part but can’t find anything obvious so I am left with the thought that it might not have been unusual to have two brothers with the same given name when both were alive. > > Do any listers have the same conundrum? > > Brian Sillett > > -------------------------------

Can you check multiple records for both? I am thinking error on the part of a vicar in a baptism record. My first teacher, who had taught a lot of my family labelled all my exercise books with my cousin's name! We have one instance of a father having two daughters with the same name a lot of years apart, but the second is from a second marriage. So the only other explanation I can offer is that you have two cousins with the same name married to wives with the same first name, calling their children by the same names. Both I and my husband have instances of this. Rosie On 03/08/2014 09:04, Brian Sillett via wrote: > I seem to have two brothers both named Henry by the same parents and born 12 years apart. The first Henry was still alive when his namesake was born in 1819 and died in 1837. They lived a mere 3 miles apart. > > I have checked for any possible errors on my part but can’t find anything obvious so I am left with the thought that it might not have been unusual to have two brothers with the same given name when both were alive. > > Do any listers have the same conundrum? > > Brian Sillett > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

That happened a lot. I have several cases in my tree. Usually it was because they thought the first one was going to die but then he/she didn't! My wife and I are each descended from one of two sisters; both of them called Eleanor. My ancestor was generally called Alianor to avoid confusion. -----Original Message----- From: Brian Sillett via Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 9:04 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [NFK] Same name siblings I seem to have two brothers both named Henry by the same parents and born 12 years apart. The first Henry was still alive when his namesake was born in 1819 and died in 1837. They lived a mere 3 miles apart. I have checked for any possible errors on my part but can’t find anything obvious so I am left with the thought that it might not have been unusual to have two brothers with the same given name when both were alive. Do any listers have the same conundrum? Brian Sillett ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I seem to have two brothers both named Henry by the same parents and born 12 years apart. The first Henry was still alive when his namesake was born in 1819 and died in 1837. They lived a mere 3 miles apart. I have checked for any possible errors on my part but can’t find anything obvious so I am left with the thought that it might not have been unusual to have two brothers with the same given name when both were alive. Do any listers have the same conundrum? Brian Sillett

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What a lot of clever people to be able to solve my problem so quickly. Thank you all so much. Special thanks to Pat for having someone in the same street. I am now guessing that my great grandmother was helping her aunt and grandmother in their Drapery business and living above the shop. ( No wonder people in NZ who knew her said that she knew good cloth – all starts to fit into place) I have been trying to picture the area they were living in ( hard from this distance away I know – but there is always Google) So I guess maybe something like http://www.georgeplunkett.co.uk/Norwich/S/St%20Benedict's%20St%2056%20to%2058%20Plough%20PH%20[3218]%201939-08-07.jpg Then I see https://www.flickr.com/photos/jelltecks/8142528138/in/photostream/ and decide it must be a trendy place these days Regards and thanks Wendy in NZ