Facing St Mark's Church, New Lakenham, on what is now Hall road are Trafalgar Street and Southwell Road forming a triangle full of a modern looking development. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: "Richard Wenn" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2014 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [NFK] Twenty One Row, Norwich > Richard > The list archive has an answer provided by David Booty > > Peafield in 'New' Lakenham was an area of housing built outside the > Norwich > city walls in the early 19thC, housing around 2,000 people in very poor > ('slum') conditions - only 8 water pumps to serve all of them. The housing > was on the opposite side of Lakenham Hall Road to St Mark's church and > school and bounded on the other three sides by New Road, Mill Street and > the > railway. > > Streets and lanes within the Peafield included Trafalgar Street, Southwell > Road, Cherry St., Church Street and One-a-Twenty Row. > > Hope it helps, no idea what is on the ground there now. Trafalgar Street > and Southwell Road are still there I think. > Rosie. > > On 16/08/2014 10:55, Richard Wenn via wrote: >> Hi all, Could SKS please tell me exactly where TWENTY ONE ROW was in > > Norwich.? I know it was at Lakenham but not sure exactly where. > > Thanks Richard > > > > > > > > > > > > Richard Wenn [email protected] > > > > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please > > send an email to [email protected] with the word > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > > message > > > >

There is quite a good map 1880 83 at http://maps.nls.uk/view/101582876 The area is marked with heavy black lines adjacent to railway in bottom left hand corner..The Row isn't marked but gives a good idea of the area.Nowadays it seems to be mostly 3 storey flats. Jean On 16 August 2014 10:55, Richard Wenn via <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi all, > Could SKS please tell me exactly where TWENTY ONE ROW was in Norwich.? > I know it was at Lakenham but not sure exactly where. > Thanks > Richard > > > > > > Richard Wenn > [email protected] > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

There is also a Long Sutton in Lincs. Judy. On 16 August 2014 08:40, Wendy Inskeep via <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Freereg it gives 16 Feb 1779 Daniel LAMBERT m Elizabeth KING at St > Andrews Northwold. His parish is St Nicholas and his abode is Sutton > Lincoln and occupation is carpenter. I tried to Google Sutton Lincoln but > am none the wiser so wondered if anyone could help. > > I don’t suppose anyone has this family in their research. > > Wendy in NZ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Could it be Sutton St Nicholas, Lincolnshire? Familysearch does sometimes abbreviate county names to the name of the county town. According to PARLOC.EXE Sutton St Nicholas is in the south of Lincolnshire close to the Wash and the Norfolk and Cambs borders, 11 miles north of Wisbech. Regards Peter -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Richard via Sent: 16 August 2014 10:39 To: Wendy Inskeep; [email protected] Subject: Re: [NFK] Where is Sutton Lincoln? In answer to the second part of your question, My tree has King s in it. There was a family of King, Lords of Kingston, Ireland Richard -----Original Message----- From: Wendy Inskeep via Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2014 8:40 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [NFK] Where is Sutton Lincoln? On Freereg it gives 16 Feb 1779 Daniel LAMBERT m Elizabeth KING at St Andrews Northwold. His parish is St Nicholas and his abode is Sutton Lincoln and occupation is carpenter. I tried to Google Sutton Lincoln but am none the wiser so wondered if anyone could help. I don’t suppose anyone has this family in their research. Wendy in NZ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Derek Found this on Free Reg just now, the witnesses look very interesting: CountyNorfolk PlaceBurnham Sutton cum Ulph ChurchAll Saints RegisterNumber193 MarriageDate13 Jul 1889 GroomForenameHenry GroomSurnameSEALS GroomAge21 GroomParishBurnham Sutton GroomConditionBachelor GroomOccupationGardener GroomAbode BrideForenameSarah Ann BrideSurnameHOOKS BrideAge22 BrideParishBurnham Sutton BrideConditionSpinster BrideOccupation BrideAbode GroomFatherForenameWilliam GroomFatherSurnameSEALS GroomFatherOccupationLabourer BrideFatherForenameRobert BrideFatherSurnameHOOKS BrideFatherOccupationLabourer WitnessOneForenameCharles WitnessOneSurnameMARSH WitnessTwoForenameAmelia WitnessTwoSurnameMARSH Best regards Lesley From: Derek <[email protected]> Reply-To: Derek <[email protected]> Date: Friday, 8 August 2014 19:17 To: Lesley Day <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [NFK] Amelia MARSH / MASH Many thanks for your thoughts Lesley but I think "my" Amelia was in the Gressenhall Workhouse in 1871 aged 6 so born well before 1872. However, until things are proved I will keep your "long short" in mind. Thanks again Derek From: Lesley via <[email protected]> To: elizabeth howard <[email protected]>; "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, 8 August 2014, 15:46 Subject: Re: [NFK] Amelia MARSH / MASH This could be a long shot but worth considering: Henry Marsh/Mash daughter Elizabeth had an illegitimate daughter Anne born 29 March 1851 baptised at Swanton Morley 27 April 1851. Anne married William Isbill on 25 December at St Nicholas East Dereham They had a daughter Amelia Elizabeth Isbill born Sep Qtr 1872 East Dereham as per Free Reg and 1881 Census Wonder if this is the connection? Lesley

Richard The list archive has an answer provided by David Booty Peafield in 'New' Lakenham was an area of housing built outside the Norwich city walls in the early 19thC, housing around 2,000 people in very poor ('slum') conditions - only 8 water pumps to serve all of them. The housing was on the opposite side of Lakenham Hall Road to St Mark's church and school and bounded on the other three sides by New Road, Mill Street and the railway. Streets and lanes within the Peafield included Trafalgar Street, Southwell Road, Cherry St., Church Street and One-a-Twenty Row. Hope it helps, no idea what is on the ground there now. Trafalgar Street and Southwell Road are still there I think. Rosie. On 16/08/2014 10:55, Richard Wenn via wrote: > Hi all, Could SKS please tell me exactly where TWENTY ONE ROW was in > Norwich.? I know it was at Lakenham but not sure exactly where. > Thanks Richard > > > > > > Richard Wenn [email protected] > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please > send an email to [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message

On 16 Aug 2014 09:40, Wendy Inskeep via wrote: > On Freereg it gives 16 Feb 1779 Daniel LAMBERT m Elizabeth KING at St Andrews > Northwold. His parish is St Nicholas and his abode is Sutton Lincoln and > occupation is carpenter. I tried to Google Sutton Lincoln but am none the > wiser so wondered if anyone could help. Sutton Lincoln is undoubtedly the way it appears in the register. And it appears this way because transcribers are instructed to write what is written. Abodes are not necessarily within the county where the record was created. Nowadays, we'd probably insert a comma and turn it into Sutton, Lincoln. Now, you've either got a suburb/village/hamlet commonly known as Sutton within the city of Lincoln, or a town/place called Sutton within the county of Lincolnshire. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg

In answer to the second part of your question, My tree has King s in it. There was a family of King, Lords of Kingston, Ireland Richard -----Original Message----- From: Wendy Inskeep via Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2014 8:40 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [NFK] Where is Sutton Lincoln? On Freereg it gives 16 Feb 1779 Daniel LAMBERT m Elizabeth KING at St Andrews Northwold. His parish is St Nicholas and his abode is Sutton Lincoln and occupation is carpenter. I tried to Google Sutton Lincoln but am none the wiser so wondered if anyone could help. I don’t suppose anyone has this family in their research. Wendy in NZ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Either Sutton on sea, north of Skegness, or Sutton St James, NNW of Wisbech, or Long Sutton or Sutton Bridge close by. You will find them all on Google Maps. -- Christopher Pipe / Watermark (Cromer, Norfolk) editing---proofreading---indexing---design for print (esp. Christian theology & devotion; English church & local history) [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Wendy Inskeep via Sent: 16 August 2014 08:41 To: [email protected] Subject: [NFK] Where is Sutton Lincoln? On Freereg it gives 16 Feb 1779 Daniel LAMBERT m Elizabeth KING at St Andrews Northwold. His parish is St Nicholas and his abode is Sutton Lincoln and occupation is carpenter. I tried to Google Sutton Lincoln but am none the wiser so wondered if anyone could help. I don’t suppose anyone has this family in their research. Wendy in NZ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Wendy For places its often a good ploy to try the place or County name and Genuki Lincolnshire Genuki finds http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LIN/parishes.html Where under Lincolnshire Towns and Parishes you will find several Suttons One possible being Sutton le Marsh, now Sutton on Sea Lincoln in many records would be for the County rather than the place itself Not *the* Daniel LAMBERT then :-) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 16/08/2014 08:40, Wendy Inskeep via wrote: > > On Freereg it gives 16 Feb 1779 Daniel LAMBERT m Elizabeth KING at St > Andrews Northwold. His parish is St Nicholas and his abode is Sutton > Lincoln and occupation is carpenter. I tried to Google Sutton Lincoln > but am none the wiser so wondered if anyone could help. > > I don’t suppose anyone has this family in their research. > > Wendy in NZ

Hi all, Could SKS please tell me exactly where TWENTY ONE ROW was in Norwich.? I know it was at Lakenham but not sure exactly where. Thanks Richard Richard Wenn [email protected]

Thanks Nivard, from a very quick glance , 184 deaths in the Downham district in 1919 but 220 in 1918..that is quite a substantial increase...Downham itself is not much different year on year. but must do more with this tomorrow ..........thanks again . life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington via" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 15, 2014 4:59 PM Subject: Re: [NFK] FLU PANDEMIC 1918 > Hi Elizabeth > > You can do a fairly easy comparison of numbers of deaths and break that > down by age groups from the GRO indexes, but you would only get the > cause of death by buying all the certs, clearly not feasible > > I would take a look at Histpop > http://www.histpop.org > > A wonderful site for those who like numbers and stats > (guilty as charged :-) > > Select search then enter Flu Pandemic, there is lots of information, > broken down in various ways, area, age, etc, on the 1918 pandemic but > others too > > Whether it will go as far as you want I can't say, but do enjoy looking > > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 15/08/2014 16:45, elizabeth howard via wrote: >> Hi, the very overworked County Medical Officer of Health was also >> the Schools Medical Officer , and worked as he points out , without a >> deputy or assistants . His name was Dr J T C Nash, and he works >> and relies on a School Nurse Miss Bullock who tirelessly visits >> schools. I have found him in the 1911 in Norwich , but without a >> Christian name , can anyone suggest how to find her ? Also from the >> Burial register of Downham for the war period 1914-1919 there seems >> to be a small increase in the deaths of young people over the worst 3 >> month period Oct - Dec 1918 ..........does anyone know how to check >> the numbers of deaths in the Downham district for that Dec 1/4 1918 >> ?so that the deaths for the previous year and following year could be >> compared with the pandemic year ? Thanks ........ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Elizabeth You can do a fairly easy comparison of numbers of deaths and break that down by age groups from the GRO indexes, but you would only get the cause of death by buying all the certs, clearly not feasible I would take a look at Histpop http://www.histpop.org A wonderful site for those who like numbers and stats (guilty as charged :-) Select search then enter Flu Pandemic, there is lots of information, broken down in various ways, area, age, etc, on the 1918 pandemic but others too Whether it will go as far as you want I can't say, but do enjoy looking Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 15/08/2014 16:45, elizabeth howard via wrote: > Hi, the very overworked County Medical Officer of Health was also > the Schools Medical Officer , and worked as he points out , without a > deputy or assistants . His name was Dr J T C Nash, and he works > and relies on a School Nurse Miss Bullock who tirelessly visits > schools. I have found him in the 1911 in Norwich , but without a > Christian name , can anyone suggest how to find her ? Also from the > Burial register of Downham for the war period 1914-1919 there seems > to be a small increase in the deaths of young people over the worst 3 > month period Oct - Dec 1918 ..........does anyone know how to check > the numbers of deaths in the Downham district for that Dec 1/4 1918 > ?so that the deaths for the previous year and following year could be > compared with the pandemic year ? Thanks ........

Hi, the very overworked County Medical Officer of Health was also the Schools Medical Officer , and worked as he points out , without a deputy or assistants . His name was Dr J T C Nash, and he works and relies on a School Nurse Miss Bullock who tirelessly visits schools. I have found him in the 1911 in Norwich , but without a Christian name , can anyone suggest how to find her ? Also from the Burial register of Downham for the war period 1914-1919 there seems to be a small increase in the deaths of young people over the worst 3 month period Oct - Dec 1918 ..........does anyone know how to check the numbers of deaths in the Downham district for that Dec 1/4 1918 ?so that the deaths for the previous year and following year could be compared with the pandemic year ? Thanks ........ life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=///

Hi Richard Do you know that they stayed in Norwich or Norfolk even? Where did the children end up? Would he be in a position, or likely to leave a will? I haven't found obvious entries for death or probate in Norfolk so far hence the questions Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 14/08/2014 15:44, Richard Wenn via wrote: > > Hi All, > I am trying to trace the death of my wives 2 x Gt grandfather William Thompson (b1851-52 in London). >>From before 1901 he had a shop (and was living) at 120 Oak Street, Norwich. Kellys Directory for 1916 had him still living there, but in the next Kellys that I have checked (1933) he had gone. Can anyone please guide me as to how and where I should look next..... I have listed his family below... > > WILLIAM THOMPSON (b.1851-52 in LONDON) > ELIZABETH ANN THOMPSON (nee GREEN) (b1851-52 STOKE FERRY,NORFOLK) > ALBERT THOMPSON (b.1879 in NORWICH) > EDITH ALICE THOMPSON (b.1881 in LONDON) > JOHN THOMPSON (b1885 in LONDON) > WILLIAM JUBILEE THOMPSON (b.1888 in NORWICH) > MAY THOMPSON (b.1894 in NORWICH) > > I have traced his whereabouts through the census returns, but am unable to find a definite death date. Would looking through the electoral role help ? ANY help will very gratefully be received. > > Thanks > > > Richard Wenn

Hello Richard, On Free BMD there is a William J Thompson died in Norwich in 1931 aged 81 could that be him. Yvonne Harris -----Original Message----- From: Richard Wenn via Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2014 3:44 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [NFK] William Thompson Hi All, I am trying to trace the death of my wives 2 x Gt grandfather William Thompson (b1851-52 in London). >From before 1901 he had a shop (and was living) at 120 Oak Street, Norwich. >Kellys Directory for 1916 had him still living there, but in the next >Kellys that I have checked (1933) he had gone. Can anyone please guide me >as to how and where I should look next..... I have listed his family >below... WILLIAM THOMPSON (b.1851-52 in LONDON) ELIZABETH ANN THOMPSON (nee GREEN) (b1851-52 STOKE FERRY,NORFOLK) ALBERT THOMPSON (b.1879 in NORWICH) EDITH ALICE THOMPSON (b.1881 in LONDON) JOHN THOMPSON (b1885 in LONDON) WILLIAM JUBILEE THOMPSON (b.1888 in NORWICH) MAY THOMPSON (b.1894 in NORWICH) I have traced his whereabouts through the census returns, but am unable to find a definite death date. Would looking through the electoral role help ? ANY help will very gratefully be received. Thanks Richard Wenn [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for that David, unfortunately my WILLIAM THOMPSON had no middle name !!!!! Thanks again. Sent from my iPhone > On 14 Aug 2014, at 16:17, David Scott via <[email protected]> wrote: > > Richard, > There are a lot of William Thompsons dying in Norfolk between 1915 and 1933. But below is the nearest in age I could find on Free BMD:- > Thompson William J 81 Norwich. 4b 194. > > David Scott. > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Wenn via - Email Address: [email protected] > Sent On: 14/08/2014 15:44 > Sent To: [email protected] - Email Address: [email protected] > subject: [NFK] William Thompson > > Hi All, > I am trying to trace the death of my wives 2 x Gt grandfather William Thompson (b1851-52 in London). >> From before 1901 he had a shop (and was living) at 120 Oak Street, Norwich. Kellys Directory for 1916 had him still living there, but in the next Kellys that I have checked (1933) he had gone. Can anyone please guide me as to how and where I should look next..... I have listed his family below... > > WILLIAM THOMPSON (b.1851-52 in LONDON) > ELIZABETH ANN THOMPSON (nee GREEN) (b1851-52 STOKE FERRY,NORFOLK) > ALBERT THOMPSON (b.1879 in NORWICH) > EDITH ALICE THOMPSON (b.1881 in LONDON) > JOHN THOMPSON (b1885 in LONDON) > WILLIAM JUBILEE THOMPSON (b.1888 in NORWICH) > MAY THOMPSON (b.1894 in NORWICH) > > I have traced his whereabouts through the census returns, but am unable to find a definite death date. Would looking through the electoral role help ? ANY help will very gratefully be received. > > Thanks > > > Richard Wenn > [email protected] > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3955/7532 - Release Date: 08/14/14 > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Richard, There are a lot of William Thompsons dying in Norfolk between 1915 and 1933. But below is the nearest in age I could find on Free BMD:- Thompson William J 81 Norwich. 4b 194. David Scott. -----Original Message----- From: Richard Wenn via - Email Address: [email protected] Sent On: 14/08/2014 15:44 Sent To: [email protected] - Email Address: [email protected] subject: [NFK] William Thompson Hi All, I am trying to trace the death of my wives 2 x Gt grandfather William Thompson (b1851-52 in London). >From before 1901 he had a shop (and was living) at 120 Oak Street, Norwich. Kellys Directory for 1916 had him still living there, but in the next Kellys that I have checked (1933) he had gone. Can anyone please guide me as to how and where I should look next..... I have listed his family below... WILLIAM THOMPSON (b.1851-52 in LONDON) ELIZABETH ANN THOMPSON (nee GREEN) (b1851-52 STOKE FERRY,NORFOLK) ALBERT THOMPSON (b.1879 in NORWICH) EDITH ALICE THOMPSON (b.1881 in LONDON) JOHN THOMPSON (b1885 in LONDON) WILLIAM JUBILEE THOMPSON (b.1888 in NORWICH) MAY THOMPSON (b.1894 in NORWICH) I have traced his whereabouts through the census returns, but am unable to find a definite death date. Would looking through the electoral role help ? ANY help will very gratefully be received. Thanks Richard Wenn [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1432 / Virus Database: 3955/7532 - Release Date: 08/14/14

Hello from New Zealand Lydia Bacon Ch July 1795 Roydon (Diss) Norfolk dau of John Bacon = Sarah Abbott - by Banns - Winfarthing - 15 Oct 1786 Descendants living in NZ would like to make contact please..... On behalf - Maree S Gordon - Matamata Waikato New Zealand

Hi All, I am trying to trace the death of my wives 2 x Gt grandfather William Thompson (b1851-52 in London). From before 1901 he had a shop (and was living) at 120 Oak Street, Norwich. Kellys Directory for 1916 had him still living there, but in the next Kellys that I have checked (1933) he had gone. Can anyone please guide me as to how and where I should look next..... I have listed his family below... WILLIAM THOMPSON (b.1851-52 in LONDON) ELIZABETH ANN THOMPSON (nee GREEN) (b1851-52 STOKE FERRY,NORFOLK) ALBERT THOMPSON (b.1879 in NORWICH) EDITH ALICE THOMPSON (b.1881 in LONDON) JOHN THOMPSON (b1885 in LONDON) WILLIAM JUBILEE THOMPSON (b.1888 in NORWICH) MAY THOMPSON (b.1894 in NORWICH) I have traced his whereabouts through the census returns, but am unable to find a definite death date. Would looking through the electoral role help ? ANY help will very gratefully be received. Thanks Richard Wenn [email protected]