A paternal 2 Gt Gf was John Christmas Royall Born on the 25th December 1816 and Baptised on the 29th at St Martin at Oak in Norwich Margaret Williams ( Melbourne Aust)

Getting a bit far from Norfolk, but my wife lived in a small town in Oklahoma for a few years and assures me there were twin sisters there born about 1915 named Ima HOGG and Ura HOGG. Must have had a terrible time at school. Adrian

No really strange names in our family... Bertie and Bert... my great aunt married an IsaacLevi DYE I was at school with a Christmas... notably when he had a huge abcess was accused by Mr Croot of having a Gob-Stopper in his mouth... On 27 November 2015 at 21:31, <PSC@lists2.rootsweb.com> wrote: > My grandmother married Tom ROSE & her sister married Tom FELL. > > Seasons greetings to all. > Pam > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Please note that this e-mail and any files transmitted with it may be privileged, confidential, and protected from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this communication or any of its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message and then delete this message, any attachments, and all copies and backups from your computer.

Are MOUSE & WEASEL previous family surnames perhaps? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 28/11/2015 11:28, Bob Marshall via wrote: > A couple of names from my wife’s tree are unlikely to ever prove popular. > > Twin sisters, b Q4 1859, to her 3xgreat grandparents Henry & Susan Mollison, were named Minnie Mouse and Winnie Weasel. (Could be where Walt Disney got the idea from?) They were their 10th and 11th children so they may have run out of ideas. > > Whatever, Winnie certainly used both names. Weasel (Weazel in some) appears in marriage and other records. > > Minnie, who never married, stuck with using just the one! > > Bob M --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

A couple of names from my wife’s tree are unlikely to ever prove popular. Twin sisters, b Q4 1859, to her 3xgreat grandparents Henry & Susan Mollison, were named Minnie Mouse and Winnie Weasel. (Could be where Walt Disney got the idea from?) They were their 10th and 11th children so they may have run out of ideas. Whatever, Winnie certainly used both names. Weasel (Weazel in some) appears in marriage and other records. Minnie, who never married, stuck with using just the one! Bob M > From: "Pauline Taylor" <ap.taylor@virgin.net> > Date: 26 November 2015 at 18:49:31 GMT > To: "'Nivard Ovington'" <ovington.one@gmail.com>, <norfolk@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [NFK] Names > > > I never realized that my name had been so popular Nivard, but where does > yours come from? > > How about Drusilla Zenobia on my tree !! > > Pauline > Colchester. Britain's First City. > > -----Original Message----- > From: norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Nivard Ovington via > Sent: 26 November 2015 13:19 > To: norfolk@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NFK] Names > > > If you look back over the years you will often find that names come into > fashion and out again > > In 1881 for example in English census (given there will be transcription > errors) compared to 1911 > > Brenda 135 2,166 > Pauline 1,593 4,458 > Glad*s 589 168,909 > > Cyril 1,938 61,745 > Nigel 126 552 > Den*is* 7,906 19,364 > > there will be some variations included in the above, plus second names > etc but you get the idea > > All of the above can be found at various points in history > > A few names have been introduced over time but most have been in use in > some form for centuries > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >

I live in Oklahoma and that is, unfortunately for the girls, quite true. Rosemary On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 9:40 AM, Adrian Abbott via <norfolk@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Getting a bit far from Norfolk, but my wife lived in a small town in > Oklahoma for a few years and assures me there were twin sisters there > born about 1915 named Ima HOGG and Ura HOGG. > Must have had a terrible time at school. > > Adrian > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks, Keith. I had managed to find explanations as I did initially have a bit of difficulty deciphering the letters ???? Voting today is a bit simpler fortunately ! Thanks Caroline From: Keith Drage via Sent: 27 November 2015 15:34 To: Nivard Ovington;norfolk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NFK] Fakenham Electoral Registers It is worth noting that these entries also tell you the reason they were qualified to vote (I understand the first column is for general elections and the second column for local elections): After 1928 the codes were: Men R = Residence qualification B = Business premises qualification O = Occupation qualification D = qualification through wife's occupation Women Rw = Residence qualification Bw = Business premises qualification Ow = Occupation qualification Dw = Qualification through husband's occupation 1918 to 1928 the codes were: R = Residence qualification BP = Business premises qualification O = Occupational qualification HO = Qualification through husband's occupation Where these are absent in the earlier registers, it is because the register had different sections for each qualification, so you need to know which section they appeared in. The qualifications to vote only disappeared in 1948. For further information see wikipedia under the various representation of the people acts (1918, 1928, 1948). Up until 1948, some people were able to vote twice, e.g. on a business or university qualification and a residence qualification. The J after the name indicates quaified for Jury Service. regards Keith Drage Swindon UK On 25/11/2015 17:48, Nivard Ovington via wrote: > Hi again > > This is not a precise transcript, I started off that way but it was > taking to long but hopefully it will give some ideas > > In reverse order > > 1931 District W Fakenham > 1611 Rw Ow SCARFF Amy Sculthorpe Road > > 1930 same > 1929 same > > 1928 > 1235 O O SCARFF Ethel Carry - J Sculthorpe Road > > 1927 & 1926 Dist L > SCARFF Robert Near Craymeres > > 1927 Dist W > 1212 O O SCARFF Ethel Carry - J Norwich street > > 1926 Spring Dist W > 1207 R O SCARFF Thomas - J Norwich street > 1208 HO HO SCARFF Ethel Carry Norwich street > 1209 R O SCEARFF (sic) Edward Norwich street > > 1926 Autumn Dist W > 1205 O O SCARFF Ethel Carry Norwich street > 1206 R O SCEARFF (sic) Edward Norwich street > > 1925 Autumn Dist W > all Norwich street > SCARFF Thomas - J > SCARFF Ethel Carry > SCARFF William Charles - J > SCARFF Amy > SCARFF Edward > > 1925 Spring same > > no 1924 > > 1923 same as 1925 > > 1922 same (first appearance of Amy Spring 1922) > > 1921 > Thomas > Ethel Carry > William Charles > Edward > > 1920 same as 1921 > > 1919 as 1920 > > (at some point the Polling district changed to Q) > > 1918 same as 1919 > Thomas > Ethel Carry > William Charles > Edward > > no 1917 or 1916 > > 1915 (unsure if same Thomas) > Gresham Polling dist N parish of Sustead > SCARFF Thomas abode Sustead > Same 1914 > > 1914 Parish of Feltwell > SCARFF Thomas Feltwell > 1913 same > > Not sure if of interest > > On Ancestry > > William Charles SCARFF RFA 150833 > Norwich street Fakenham > Occupation Manager Boot Store born about 1887 > 20th July 1916 > next of kin Mrs Ethel C SCARFF wife of Norwich street Fakenham > Ethel Carrie SMITH spinster married 27th Sep 1914 S Matthews Church Ipswich > > In the freemason records there are two entries for Edward SCARFF b1858 > Joppa Lodge Fakenham > > 1916 Kellys directory > Tobacconists > SCARFF Thomas Norwich street Fakenham > > Also > Fakenham > SCARFF Thomas tobacconist & beer retailer Norwich st > > > > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 25/11/2015 16:39, Caroline Bell via wrote: >> Nivard >> >> Many thanks – it’s nice of you to offer as I’ve been a bit sluggish >> on the family history side recently (particularly in Norfolk) !! The >> name is Thomas and Amy Scarff. They were definitely there from 1916 >> (my MIL’s birth there) until Thomas’ death in 1926 and Amy was there >> with some of her three children until about 1935/6, I think. We know >> that Thomas had a tobacconists shop in Norwich Street but we have no >> idea where they actually lived ???? These are my husband’s grandparents >> and that is almost all we know about them while they lived in >> Fakenham ! >> >> Many thanks >> >> Caroline > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My grandmother married Tom ROSE & her sister married Tom FELL. Seasons greetings to all. Pam

From Free B M D The child named Autumn Winter died the following summer Births Dec 1876 (>99%) Winter Autumn Oldham 8d 607 Deaths Jun 1877 (>99%) WINTER Autumn 0 Oldham 8d 436 -- Good Luck Antony Lambert The Hurst Pages www.c5d.co.uk/hurst.php

It is worth noting that these entries also tell you the reason they were qualified to vote (I understand the first column is for general elections and the second column for local elections): After 1928 the codes were: Men R = Residence qualification B = Business premises qualification O = Occupation qualification D = qualification through wife's occupation Women Rw = Residence qualification Bw = Business premises qualification Ow = Occupation qualification Dw = Qualification through husband's occupation 1918 to 1928 the codes were: R = Residence qualification BP = Business premises qualification O = Occupational qualification HO = Qualification through husband's occupation Where these are absent in the earlier registers, it is because the register had different sections for each qualification, so you need to know which section they appeared in. The qualifications to vote only disappeared in 1948. For further information see wikipedia under the various representation of the people acts (1918, 1928, 1948). Up until 1948, some people were able to vote twice, e.g. on a business or university qualification and a residence qualification. The J after the name indicates quaified for Jury Service. regards Keith Drage Swindon UK On 25/11/2015 17:48, Nivard Ovington via wrote: > Hi again > > This is not a precise transcript, I started off that way but it was > taking to long but hopefully it will give some ideas > > In reverse order > > 1931 District W Fakenham > 1611 Rw Ow SCARFF Amy Sculthorpe Road > > 1930 same > 1929 same > > 1928 > 1235 O O SCARFF Ethel Carry - J Sculthorpe Road > > 1927 & 1926 Dist L > SCARFF Robert Near Craymeres > > 1927 Dist W > 1212 O O SCARFF Ethel Carry - J Norwich street > > 1926 Spring Dist W > 1207 R O SCARFF Thomas - J Norwich street > 1208 HO HO SCARFF Ethel Carry Norwich street > 1209 R O SCEARFF (sic) Edward Norwich street > > 1926 Autumn Dist W > 1205 O O SCARFF Ethel Carry Norwich street > 1206 R O SCEARFF (sic) Edward Norwich street > > 1925 Autumn Dist W > all Norwich street > SCARFF Thomas - J > SCARFF Ethel Carry > SCARFF William Charles - J > SCARFF Amy > SCARFF Edward > > 1925 Spring same > > no 1924 > > 1923 same as 1925 > > 1922 same (first appearance of Amy Spring 1922) > > 1921 > Thomas > Ethel Carry > William Charles > Edward > > 1920 same as 1921 > > 1919 as 1920 > > (at some point the Polling district changed to Q) > > 1918 same as 1919 > Thomas > Ethel Carry > William Charles > Edward > > no 1917 or 1916 > > 1915 (unsure if same Thomas) > Gresham Polling dist N parish of Sustead > SCARFF Thomas abode Sustead > Same 1914 > > 1914 Parish of Feltwell > SCARFF Thomas Feltwell > 1913 same > > Not sure if of interest > > On Ancestry > > William Charles SCARFF RFA 150833 > Norwich street Fakenham > Occupation Manager Boot Store born about 1887 > 20th July 1916 > next of kin Mrs Ethel C SCARFF wife of Norwich street Fakenham > Ethel Carrie SMITH spinster married 27th Sep 1914 S Matthews Church Ipswich > > In the freemason records there are two entries for Edward SCARFF b1858 > Joppa Lodge Fakenham > > 1916 Kellys directory > Tobacconists > SCARFF Thomas Norwich street Fakenham > > Also > Fakenham > SCARFF Thomas tobacconist & beer retailer Norwich st > > > > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 25/11/2015 16:39, Caroline Bell via wrote: >> Nivard >> >> Many thanks – it’s nice of you to offer as I’ve been a bit sluggish >> on the family history side recently (particularly in Norfolk) !! The >> name is Thomas and Amy Scarff. They were definitely there from 1916 >> (my MIL’s birth there) until Thomas’ death in 1926 and Amy was there >> with some of her three children until about 1935/6, I think. We know >> that Thomas had a tobacconists shop in Norwich Street but we have no >> idea where they actually lived ???? These are my husband’s grandparents >> and that is almost all we know about them while they lived in >> Fakenham ! >> >> Many thanks >> >> Caroline > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'd note that even William and George had cycles of fashion, which can probably be correlated to the use in the royal family at the time. You will find George in limited use before the time of George I, and cycles of William round William III and William IV. I've used examples of crowned members here, but same also applies to names queens, princes and princesses being reused. And of course biblical names have always been popular with non-conformists, and saints names with Roman catholics. Having made those generalisations you'd need to look at each name individually to do any proper analyis. regards Keith On 26/11/2015 07:03, xpn11 via wrote: > There are a number of web sites which detail the popularity and use of > forenames in each century-currently the grandson/great nephew "layer" in > our family is looking old fashioned-Williams Henrys and Roberts ( > somehow Hubert has not found favour...). I had some bookmarked but lost > them when I changed browser, sorry. I remember talking about this with > the list several years ago because I wondered why mid Norfolk parents > suddenly favoured the name Rhoda in the 1800s I think I wondered if > it represented them searching the Bible and showed improving literacy ( > despite all the x on registers) or that someone had been reading a > popular novel and started the trend. There was an Edwardian revival of > older names-Mildred and Maud Edgar etc maybe Tennyson to thank for that? > My year group at school had at least five Lindas, four Ruths. four > Pennys and Judiths, two Rosemarys a Barbara, several Julies and Susans > yet you would be hard pressed to find any of those names in the current > birth announcements. > One of my Southery tribe, illiterate ag labs living probably in a wooden > fen cottage, had a daughter they named Lucretia. > Rosie > > On 25/11/2015 23:47, David Tennant via wrote: >> I've transcribed in the past for FreeREG and FreeCEN and usually the end >> point was around the end of the 1800s with occasional excursions into >> the 20 th century. One thing which I found curious was the absence of >> first names which have been familiar to me through most of my life time >> since I've been able to take note of such things. >> Where were, for females, the Brendas, Paulines ,Gladyses and others in >> the 1800s. For the men I don't recall too many Cyrils, Nigels and >> Dennises for example. >> On the other hand some of the "ancient" names have had a bit of a >> resurgence eg my Grand daughters an Abigail a name which goes way back. >> Any one able to shed some light bon this? >> David >> >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have a William Christmas Capps. :) Gwynne

I am still trying to confirm that the wife of Samuel Wordingham (Violet Merry) had a sister married to a man with the surname Christmas. Long told story in the family but no real evidence yet.

On names one of my favourite marriages Name: Joseph Salt Gender: Male Marriage Date: 31 Oct 1808 Marriage Place: Norton In The Moors,Stafford,England Spouse: Ann Pepper FHL Film Number: 421581 Condiments of the season to them :-) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 27/11/2015 13:45, David Tennant via wrote: > I must contribute again! > When in the RAF, one of my Station Commanders was a Noel Christmas with > daughter Mary. > Onto surnames . In the village I grew up in there was an Easter and > Christmas. I not FreeBMD lists Spring and Autumn as surnames. > Interesting to see if they all occur in one district and in the correct > quarter! > David --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hi Carolynn Do you by any chance have links to kings lynn Regards Diana Sent from my iPhone > On 27 Nov 2015, at 9:47 am, Carolynn Langley via <norfolk@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Have a few different names in my tree Bismark Cole, Guilderoy Alexander Stangroome , > Easter Stangroome also Easter Reed Ellocadie stangroome Rosette Langley Violette Langley > All born late 1800s - 1900 > Sent from my iPad > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

“On a seasonal note” And my OH’s gt. uncle Christmas Bell – born Holkham 1896 died of wounds 1917. Caroline From: Nivard Ovington via Sent: 26 November 2015 20:12 To: Pauline Taylor;norfolk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NFK] Names Hi Pauline Yes there are some great names aren't there, just before Halloween I found a family of DRACULAs in New Jersey which I thought quite fitting at the time :-) I come from a Catholic family, Nivard was the youngest brother of St Bernard who founded Clairvaux Abbey in 1155, I also had brothers Bernard and Gerard another sibling of St Bernard, I suppose I got away light as he also had a sister Humbeline so good job I wasn't a girl then ;-) On a seasonal note there are quite a few Mary CHRISTMAS around in various records, each would of course have a Father CHRISTMAS :-) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 26/11/2015 18:49, Pauline Taylor wrote: > I never realized that my name had been so popular Nivard, but where does > yours come from? > > How about Drusilla Zenobia on my tree !! > > Pauline > Colchester. Britain's First City. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I must contribute again! When in the RAF, one of my Station Commanders was a Noel Christmas with daughter Mary. Onto surnames . In the village I grew up in there was an Easter and Christmas. I not FreeBMD lists Spring and Autumn as surnames. Interesting to see if they all occur in one district and in the correct quarter! David On 11/27/2015 4:43 AM, Caroline Bell via wrote: > “On a seasonal note” > > > And my OH’s gt. uncle Christmas Bell – born Holkham 1896 died of wounds 1917. > > Caroline > > > > > From: Nivard Ovington via > Sent: 26 November 2015 20:12 > To: Pauline Taylor;norfolk@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NFK] Names > > > Hi Pauline > > Yes there are some great names aren't there, just before Halloween I > found a family of DRACULAs in New Jersey which I thought quite fitting > at the time :-) > > I come from a Catholic family, Nivard was the youngest brother of St > Bernard who founded Clairvaux Abbey in 1155, I also had brothers Bernard > and Gerard another sibling of St Bernard, I suppose I got away light as > he also had a sister Humbeline so good job I wasn't a girl then ;-) > > On a seasonal note there are quite a few Mary CHRISTMAS around in > various records, each would of course have a Father CHRISTMAS :-) > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 26/11/2015 18:49, Pauline Taylor wrote: >> I never realized that my name had been so popular Nivard, but where does >> yours come from? >> >> How about Drusilla Zenobia on my tree !! >> >> Pauline >> Colchester. Britain's First City. > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Good Morning Our family tree has a Robert Christmas Ribbons. He was born the 6th of January so wasn't quite a Christmas baby but maybe his parents were still celebrating. Jean

Have a few different names in my tree Bismark Cole, Guilderoy Alexander Stangroome , Easter Stangroome also Easter Reed Ellocadie stangroome Rosette Langley Violette Langley All born late 1800s - 1900 Sent from my iPad

Hi Pauline Yes there are some great names aren't there, just before Halloween I found a family of DRACULAs in New Jersey which I thought quite fitting at the time :-) I come from a Catholic family, Nivard was the youngest brother of St Bernard who founded Clairvaux Abbey in 1155, I also had brothers Bernard and Gerard another sibling of St Bernard, I suppose I got away light as he also had a sister Humbeline so good job I wasn't a girl then ;-) On a seasonal note there are quite a few Mary CHRISTMAS around in various records, each would of course have a Father CHRISTMAS :-) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 26/11/2015 18:49, Pauline Taylor wrote: > I never realized that my name had been so popular Nivard, but where does > yours come from? > > How about Drusilla Zenobia on my tree !! > > Pauline > Colchester. Britain's First City. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus