Sorry. Yes it is a female name. I have always thought Audrey was a fairly modern name but I believe it might be a variation of Ethelreda in Old English and Audrey also appears in Shakespeare. Perhaps I am looking too far beyond the obvious. -----Original Message----- From: Pam Downes Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 6:16 PM To: norfolk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NFK] Forenames If it's female - Audrey? On 01/07/2011 18:03, Brian Sillett wrote: > The very recent discussion regarding Ales/Alice reminds me that I have a > couple of Adrie Silletts. > > This is not a forename I have come across much and there is no doubt about > the spellings. > > Does anyone think it might be short for something, or a pet name? > > ------------------------------- > -- Proud to be a member of Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If it's female - Audrey? On 01/07/2011 18:03, Brian Sillett wrote: > The very recent discussion regarding Ales/Alice reminds me that I have a couple of Adrie Silletts. > > This is not a forename I have come across much and there is no doubt about the spellings. > > Does anyone think it might be short for something, or a pet name? > > ------------------------------- > -- Proud to be a member of Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk/

Sorry - finger hit wrong key! If female would suggest Audrey - various spellings found Audry , Adry and Awdrey just a few Jean On 1 July 2011 18:15, Jean Greenwood <jeangreenwood@virginmedia.com> wrote: > On 1 July 2011 18:03, Brian Sillett <brian.sillett010@btinternet.com> wrote: >> The very recent discussion regarding Ales/Alice reminds me that I have a couple of Adrie Silletts. >> >> This is not a forename I have come across much and there is no doubt about the spellings. >> >> Does anyone think it might be short for something, or a pet name? >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >

On 1 July 2011 18:03, Brian Sillett <brian.sillett010@btinternet.com> wrote: > The very recent discussion regarding Ales/Alice reminds me that I have a couple of Adrie Silletts. > > This is not a forename I have come across much and there is no doubt about the spellings. > > Does anyone think it might be short for something, or a pet name? > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

On 2011/07/01 18:08, gillykh wrote: > I think the name is Alen as the last letter is almost identical to the last > letter of the surname Holden. No. That's just a little flourish on the ending 'r' of HOLDER! -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg

The very recent discussion regarding Ales/Alice reminds me that I have a couple of Adrie Silletts. This is not a forename I have come across much and there is no doubt about the spellings. Does anyone think it might be short for something, or a pet name?

On 2011/07/01 17:50, Richard wrote: > About a third of the way down the second page is the entry which reads > Ale(something) the Daughter of R Holder Bapd. 21/26 December 1852. > > As you can see, if you look at the register in general, the people > writing in it were not concerned with too much detail and legibility was > clearly an afterthought. What makes it even more difficult is that the > entry is in a different hand to the rest of the page. > > FreeReg have decided that the name is Ales which I think is wrong and > that the date reads 26 December 1752 which may be right. It's definitely 'Ales' - an alternative spelling for Alice - and it took place in 1752. By the early 1800's, baptisms were recorded in a pro-forma book, columns and headings and such to standardise things. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg

But we all like to see in our inboxes that our mails are hitting the list but they are still not!! Lesley -----Original Message----- From: norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bonnie Ostler Sent: 21 June 2011 22:57 To: norfolk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NFK] Messages Mark There have been other oddities. I sent a query a few weeks ago that never showed up in my Norfolk mailing list messages but some people answered with what I wanted to read so I let it go. Bonnie On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Mark Howells <markhow@oz.net> wrote: > Greetings Listerines - > > Yes, yes, I know that there have been no messages for about a week. > > We seem to be getting message traffic again so the problem should be > solved. > > Relax - Mark the Meddler > > ===================== > A genealogy is like a love life. > Mine is fascinating. > Yours is a bore. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

About ten minutes after I posted this enquiry, I had managed to identify her Grandparents and discovered that Ales has an Aunt called Alice. It hit me straight away and was about to go back on the discussion board to tell you all how clever I was. I was amazed to find so many replies waiting for me confirming my conclusion. Thank you everyone for taking the time to help me out. Those FreeReg Transcribers do know their stuff, don't they? I will try and find something more challenging next time. (lol). Richard I have a Parish Christening Record for Banningham, Norfolk and a name I cannot work out. If anyone wants to have a look, you can find it here https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.familysearch.org/records/pal%3A/MM9.1.i/dgs%3A004034135.004034135_00713 About a third of the way down the second page is the entry which reads Ale(something) the Daughter of R Holder Bapd. 21/26 December 1852. As you can see, if you look at the register in general, the people writing in it were not concerned with too much detail and legibility was clearly an afterthought. What makes it even more difficult is that the entry is in a different hand to the rest of the page. FreeReg have decided that the name is Ales which I think is wrong and that the date reads 26 December 1752 which may be right. FamilySearch reckon the name reads Alex which I also think is wrong and a date of 21 December 1752 which also may be right. I have been struggling to try and think of a girl's name starting with ALE and spoken with a norfolk accent but nothing comes to mind. Over to you, guys. Richard Spink

Hi Richard It is written as Ales, but I have seen the name Alice also written as Ellis in parish registers and variants as they do with surnames such as what I am researching ie Freezer also seen in records as Freeser, Friezer and Frazer hence why such can be hard to follow. Personally I think her name is Alice. Regards Lesley -----Original Message----- From: norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Richard Sent: 01 July 2011 16:50 To: norfolk@rootsweb.com Subject: [NFK] Something to test your reading skills I have a Parish Christening Record for Banningham, Norfolk and a name I cannot work out. If anyone wants to have a look, you can find it here https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.familysearc h.org/records/pal%3A/MM9.1.i/dgs%3A004034135.004034135_00713 About a third of the way down the second page is the entry which reads Ale(something) the Daughter of R Holder Bapd. 21/26 December 1852. As you can see, if you look at the register in general, the people writing in it were not concerned with too much detail and legibility was clearly an afterthought. What makes it even more difficult is that the entry is in a different hand to the rest of the page. FreeReg have decided that the name is Ales which I think is wrong and that the date reads 26 December 1752 which may be right. FamilySearch reckon the name reads Alex which I also think is wrong and a date of 21 December 1752 which also may be right. I have been struggling to try and think of a girl's name starting with ALE and spoken with a norfolk accent but nothing comes to mind. Over to you, guys. Richard Spink ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 01/07/2011 16:59, David Booty wrote: > I agree with Ales, which is another spelling for Alice you often find in older registers and documents, and the date is 26 December > > David > > > ________________________________ > From: Richard<rjsfh1949@googlemail.com> > To: norfolk@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, 1 July 2011, 16:50 > Subject: [NFK] Something to test your reading skills > > I have a Parish Christening Record for Banningham, Norfolk and a name I > cannot work out. If anyone wants to have a look, you can find it here > > https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.familysearch.org/records/pal%3A/MM9.1.i/dgs%3A004034135.004034135_00713 > > About a third of the way down the second page is the entry which reads > Ale(something) the Daughter of R Holder Bapd. 21/26 December 1852. > > As you can see, if you look at the register in general, the people > writing in it were not concerned with too much detail and legibility was > clearly an afterthought. What makes it even more difficult is that the > entry is in a different hand to the rest of the page. > > FreeReg have decided that the name is Ales which I think is wrong and > that the date reads 26 December 1752 which may be right. > > FamilySearch reckon the name reads Alex which I also think is wrong and > a date of 21 December 1752 which also may be right. > > I have been struggling to try and think of a girl's name starting with > ALE and spoken with a norfolk accent but nothing comes to mind. > > Over to you, guys. > > Richard Spink > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Yes going back for another look,,,,if you could not spell proper Alice and Ales produce the same sound, as i come from Norfolk and understand good old norfolk lingo i think it may be the case. Gordon

I agree with the others. It is Ales and the date is 26th December 1752 Regards, Bruce -----Original Message----- From: norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Richard Sent: 01 July 2011 16:50 To: norfolk@rootsweb.com Subject: [NFK] Something to test your reading skills I have a Parish Christening Record for Banningham, Norfolk and a name I cannot work out. If anyone wants to have a look, you can find it here https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.familysearc h.org/records/pal%3A/MM9.1.i/dgs%3A004034135.004034135_00713 About a third of the way down the second page is the entry which reads Ale(something) the Daughter of R Holder Bapd. 21/26 December 1852. As you can see, if you look at the register in general, the people writing in it were not concerned with too much detail and legibility was clearly an afterthought. What makes it even more difficult is that the entry is in a different hand to the rest of the page. FreeReg have decided that the name is Ales which I think is wrong and that the date reads 26 December 1752 which may be right. FamilySearch reckon the name reads Alex which I also think is wrong and a date of 21 December 1752 which also may be right. I have been struggling to try and think of a girl's name starting with ALE and spoken with a norfolk accent but nothing comes to mind. Over to you, guys. Richard Spink ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1388 / Virus Database: 1516/3737 - Release Date: 07/01/11

On 01/07/2011 16:50, Richard wrote: > I have a Parish Christening Record for Banningham, Norfolk and a name I > cannot work out. If anyone wants to have a look, you can find it here > > https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.familysearch.org/records/pal%3A/MM9.1.i/dgs%3A004034135.004034135_00713 > > About a third of the way down the second page is the entry which reads > Ale(something) the Daughter of R Holder Bapd. 21/26 December 1852. > > As you can see, if you look at the register in general, the people > writing in it were not concerned with too much detail and legibility was > clearly an afterthought. What makes it even more difficult is that the > entry is in a different hand to the rest of the page. > > FreeReg have decided that the name is Ales which I think is wrong and > that the date reads 26 December 1752 which may be right. > > FamilySearch reckon the name reads Alex which I also think is wrong and > a date of 21 December 1752 which also may be right. > > I have been struggling to try and think of a girl's name starting with > ALE and spoken with a norfolk accent but nothing comes to mind. > > Over to you, guys. > > Richard Spink > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > To me it looks like ALEX 26th Dec 1752, but it looks like another Holder further down the page Gordon

I agree with Ales, which is another spelling for Alice you often find in older registers and documents, and the date is 26 December David ________________________________ From: Richard <rjsfh1949@googlemail.com> To: norfolk@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, 1 July 2011, 16:50 Subject: [NFK] Something to test your reading skills I have a Parish Christening Record for Banningham, Norfolk and a name I cannot work out. If anyone wants to have a look, you can find it here https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.familysearch.org/records/pal%3A/MM9.1.i/dgs%3A004034135.004034135_00713 About a third of the way down the second page is the entry which reads Ale(something) the Daughter of R Holder Bapd. 21/26 December 1852. As you can see, if you look at the register in general, the people writing in it were not concerned with too much detail and legibility was clearly an afterthought. What makes it even more difficult is that the entry is in a different hand to the rest of the page. FreeReg have decided that the name is Ales which I think is wrong and that the date reads 26 December 1752 which may be right. FamilySearch reckon the name reads Alex which I also think is wrong and a date of 21 December 1752 which also may be right. I have been struggling to try and think of a girl's name starting with ALE and spoken with a norfolk accent but nothing comes to mind. Over to you, guys. Richard Spink ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a Parish Christening Record for Banningham, Norfolk and a name I cannot work out. If anyone wants to have a look, you can find it here https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.familysearch.org/records/pal%3A/MM9.1.i/dgs%3A004034135.004034135_00713 About a third of the way down the second page is the entry which reads Ale(something) the Daughter of R Holder Bapd. 21/26 December 1852. As you can see, if you look at the register in general, the people writing in it were not concerned with too much detail and legibility was clearly an afterthought. What makes it even more difficult is that the entry is in a different hand to the rest of the page. FreeReg have decided that the name is Ales which I think is wrong and that the date reads 26 December 1752 which may be right. FamilySearch reckon the name reads Alex which I also think is wrong and a date of 21 December 1752 which also may be right. I have been struggling to try and think of a girl's name starting with ALE and spoken with a norfolk accent but nothing comes to mind. Over to you, guys. Richard Spink

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> > >I have a Parish Christening Record for Banningham, Norfolk and a name I > > cannot work out. If anyone wants to have a look, you can find it here > > > > https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.familysearch.org/records/pal%3A/MM9.1.i/dgs%3A004034135.004034135_00713 > > > > About a third of the way down the second page is the entry which reads > > Ale(something) the Daughter of R Holder Bapd. 21/26 December 1852. > (Just for those that might not realize that they can got Full page and then zoom in on any letter for clarity) Two lines above this entry is the entry for Hannah........ and it is in the same handwriting. Note the end of this line of entry with the "s" for "Laws/Lows and his wife". (I forgot to confirm the a and o in Laws as it wasn't relevant) Further this person clearly shows the "n" used by this writer and the name in your entry is definitely Holder NOT Holden when the comparison is made My first thought was also Ales = Alice even before reading others posts. My earlier experience with a surname spelled Aukerd in the records was later proven to be Allcock. Such is the Norfolk dialect! Ales for Alice is certainly a lazy pronounciation that fits. Gloria Canada > > > >

Richard - I haven't looked at the page but immediately I thought "Alice" - it was often spelled "Ales". All the best in your searching Elizabeth Yukon Canada (where we are 8 hours behind GMT so you've probably had many replies already!)

Hi Richard, I think the name is Alen as the last letter is almost identical to the last letter of the surname Holden. Gilly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard" <rjsfh1949@googlemail.com> To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 8:50 AM Subject: [NFK] Something to test your reading skills >I have a Parish Christening Record for Banningham, Norfolk and a name I > cannot work out. If anyone wants to have a look, you can find it here > > https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.familysearch.org/records/pal%3A/MM9.1.i/dgs%3A004034135.004034135_00713 > > About a third of the way down the second page is the entry which reads > Ale(something) the Daughter of R Holder Bapd. 21/26 December 1852. > > As you can see, if you look at the register in general, the people > writing in it were not concerned with too much detail and legibility was > clearly an afterthought. What makes it even more difficult is that the > entry is in a different hand to the rest of the page. > > FreeReg have decided that the name is Ales which I think is wrong and > that the date reads 26 December 1752 which may be right. > > FamilySearch reckon the name reads Alex which I also think is wrong and > a date of 21 December 1752 which also may be right. > > I have been struggling to try and think of a girl's name starting with > ALE and spoken with a norfolk accent but nothing comes to mind. > > Over to you, guys. > > Richard Spink > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Peter and List, Thanks for your reply. I agree that it is wonderful to have remote access to the Norfolk registers as I live too far away from Norwich to visit, I hope you didn't think that I felt otherwise. However, searching online (or on film for that matter) does not allow you to get 'a feel' for the way the register is organised in quite the same way as handling the real thing. As I said, I found the scraps of marriage records, but they are nowhere near as comprehensive as the baptisms and burials, and they don't even seem to be comprehensive for the period 1714-1725, just a few odd leaves of paper for the earlier ones. Considering that the register contains baptisms and burials from 1539 onwards (albeit copied up to the 1660s) but only a small proportion of marriages, I fear that the latter were either not properly recorded or have been lost. I'll have to try the ATs/BTs. James ________________________________ From: peter gapp <peter.gapp@ntlworld.com> To: norfolk@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, 25 June, 2011 21:58:05 Subject: Re: [NFK] Tittleshall PRs (and the HOWARD family) Hi James, When you open up the register on the bottom of the first image you will see a typewritten indication of what can be found in it, but that doesn't mean they are in that order. The marriages for 1714 - 1725 are right at the end at about image 90 on. Yes the early registers seem a bit disorganised to us now but I expect at the time they were ordered to those writing them. I for one don't care how disorganised they are I am grateful they are there for us to look at rather than rotting away in some forgotten place, or sitting somewhere virtually impossible to visit or even look at them. Sorry about the rant. Peter Gapp -----Original Message----- From: James Phillips-Evans Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 1:24 PM To: NORFOLK@rootsweb.com Subject: [NFK] Tittleshall PRs (and the HOWARD family) Dear Listers, Has anyone here mastered using the Tittleshall parish registers on familysearch.org yet? I'm having some trouble navigating my way around the earlier registers from the 17th and 18th centuries - they are not as well ordered as I would have hoped! I am researching the Howard family, specifically Edmund & Frances Howard (als. Haywood) who had 7 children baptised in Tittleshall between 1719 and 1740. I've been trying to find Edward and Frances' marriage record, but I'm having a devil of a time finding any comprehensive marriage section in the register. There are lots of baptisms and burials, but only scraps of marriages. Has anyone else experienced this, and has anyone 'found' the marriage section? Thanks, James Phillips-Evans ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message