cN SKP TELL ME IF ANCESTRY                             can skp tell me if ancestry have changed their address.  Have tried x times without luck.  The computer may be having pups of course... many thanks.  Kate                  

Amazon support is excellent or you can go to the discussion boards. They're very active so it's best to search them first. Rosemary On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 2:12 PM, KATE AMES <kate.hywood@btinternet.com>wrote: > Hi Gerry I had tried co.uk., but finally got through on .com All I want > now is a few instructions to load my order from amazon kindle. Ho hum. Many > thanks Gerry Kate > > --- On Tue, 5/7/11, Gerry Newnham <gerry@kiltie.net> wrote: > > > From: Gerry Newnham <gerry@kiltie.net> > Subject: Re: [NFK] ancestry > To: norfolk@rootsweb.com > Date: Tuesday, 5 July, 2011, 19:52 > > > Depends if you want www.ancestry.co.uk or www.ancestry.com - both > unchanged as of 1 minute ago when I tried them! > > Can you access any other web sites? > > Gerry > > On 5 Jul 2011, at 19:36, KATE AMES wrote: > > > cN SKP TELL ME IF ANCESTRY > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can skp tell me if ancestry have changed their address. Have tried x > times without luck. The computer may be having pups of course... > > many thanks. Kate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks for your help with the look up. Found the actual date.

Thanks. I will have to try to get out back and get into my storage unit in the back yard and dig for my papers. Since I moved this house is too small for most stuff so everything is in tubs in the storage unit in the back yard. Being in a scooter/power chair has its disadvantages.

Information, which was actually given to you in March 2006, on another forum says that Jehosaphat Gorbell m. Mary Catchpole 15th September 1806 in Henstead Suffolk. As you know the date and place Suffolk Record Office should be able to supply you with a copy of the entry in the register for a small fee plus postage. Google for Suffolk Record Office, and then click on 'contact us' telling them what you want, and asking how much would it cost. Pam On 05/07/2011 00:28, Coleen Coleman wrote: > 1808 is the year I need the copy for these two > people: > Jehosaphat& Mary (Catchpole) Gorble > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Proud to be a member of Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk/

Colleen, I couldn't find them on FamilySearch. Rosemary On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 6:28 PM, Coleen Coleman <STARRLIGHT101@webtv.net> wrote: > 1808 is the year I need the copy for these two > people: >  Jehosaphat & Mary (Catchpole) Gorble > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

1808 is the year I need the copy for these two people: Jehosaphat & Mary (Catchpole) Gorble

Just re-posting with subject! -----Original Message----- From: Daphne Ashley Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 2:31 PM To: norfolk@rootsweb.com Subject: [NFK] (no subject) I am stuck! My 4gt grandfather JOHN BURTON married Charlotte Smallpage, by license on 1st Jan 1800 at St Mary’s SOUTH WALSHAM. (both of this parish) They had 4 children, Luke John 1800, Elizabeth 1803, Charlotte 1804, Laurence 1805. Sadly JOHN BURTON died only 10 years after they married and was buried march 27th 1810. aged 47 years, a wheelwright still at South Walsham This would mean he was born abt 1763... but where? Any thoughts would be appreciated Daphne ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Bonnie. What a good idea ! I had realised that there were a number of John's in that period, but had not begun to think of eliminating in that way. thanks Daphne -----Original Message----- From: Bonnie Ostler Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 3:56 PM To: norfolk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NFK] (no subject) Using FreeREG I looked for baptism of John Burton within 5 yrs of 1763 and got about 25 entries. You could go through them looking at parishes nearest South Walsham first. Burial records will eliminate some of them in early childhood. Given names of his children may provide a clue when matched up with the siblings/parents names of those on FreeREG. Bonnie On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Daphne Ashley <ninjagrandma1@live.co.uk>wrote: > I am stuck! My 4gt grandfather JOHN BURTON married Charlotte Smallpage, by > license on 1st Jan 1800 at St Mary’s SOUTH WALSHAM. (both of this parish) > They had 4 children, Luke John 1800, Elizabeth 1803, Charlotte 1804, > Laurence 1805. > Sadly JOHN BURTON died only 10 years after they married and was buried > march 27th 1810. aged 47 years, a wheelwright still at South Walsham > This would mean he was born abt 1763... but where? > Any thoughts would be appreciated Daphne > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am stuck! My 4gt grandfather JOHN BURTON married Charlotte Smallpage, by license on 1st Jan 1800 at St Mary’s SOUTH WALSHAM. (both of this parish) They had 4 children, Luke John 1800, Elizabeth 1803, Charlotte 1804, Laurence 1805. Sadly JOHN BURTON died only 10 years after they married and was buried march 27th 1810. aged 47 years, a wheelwright still at South Walsham This would mean he was born abt 1763... but where? Any thoughts would be appreciated Daphne

FamilySearch has a Mary Catchpole marrying a John Andrews at North Cove cum Willingham, Suffolk on that date. Is this the same Mary Catchpole? Rosemary marriage:19 Dec 1822 —North Cove Cum Willingham, Suffolk, England spouse:John Andrews record title:England Marriages, 1538–1973 groom's name:John Andrews bride's name:Mary Catchpole marriage date:19 Dec 1822 marriage place:North Cove Cum Willingham,Suffolk,England indexing project (batch) number:M13167-2 system origin:England-ODM source film number:918509 On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Coleen Coleman <STARRLIGHT101@webtv.net> wrote: > > Marriage record look up and possibly photo > copy or scanned and sent as a JPG. > > JEHOSAPHAT GORBEL/GORBLE > MARY CATCHPOLE > 19 Dec 1822 North Cove Norfolk County > > Believe these were the parents of my Ezekiel > Gorble > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is extremely helpful. Thank you. Where next will be the problem, but it could easily explain why my grandmother was married in St.Thomas' Heigham (1892). Will look for banns and the actual marriage register in the hope of more marginal notes. As for the earlier ?non-marriage - this does raise the possibility of "strong family objections" as you say. And yes, poverty would be a contributory factor, no doubt. Jill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bonnie Ostler" <bjrgen@gmail.com> > All of the Read marriages took place in Church of England right up to the > 1890's although I know my husband's great grandfather attended Catholic > services in a garrett in Norwich with his older sister when he was a child > in the 1870's. There are some recusant Catholic records. My own Spauls > appear in the 19th century Costessey Catholic baptism book. The main > reasons I have found for a couple not to marry is because one party was > already married or the bride was sister of deceased wife. There could > also > be strong family objections but most people I have traced were too poor to > be disinherited. > > Bonnie > On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 6:46 AM, Jill Bloom <jescot33@googlemail.com> > wrote: > >> Thanks again, Bonnie. I guess you are referring to Lord Hardwicke's >> Marriage Act of 1753, which I see required all marriages (bar Jewish and >> Quaker), to take place in a church or chapel of the Established church. >> "The fear of persecution meant that few Catholic registers were kept >> before >> the middle of the 18th century. Most Catholics opted for Anglican >> registration of vital events." (Oxford Companion to local and family >> history). Would it be right to assume that this situation eased for your >> husband's family after either 1829 or 1837; if not, do you know when, >> please? This might be relevant to a later marriage in the same Brooks >> family. >> >> Many thanks. I'm a bit at sea because my research was centred mainly on >> Scotland and the Presbyterians for about 50 years, so am truly grateful >> for >> help. >> >> Jill >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bonnie Ostler" <bjrgen@gmail.com> >> >> > No, it is Church of England parishes only but if a marriage was to be >> > legal in the eyes of the state they would have to be married in the >> Church >> > of England. My husband's Read family was Catholic but they were still >> > married in Church of England. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

No she married my Jehosaphat GORBLE wrong lady thanks so much for your help. Someone on Roots Chat sent me the wrong information.

Marriage record look up and possibly photo copy or scanned and sent as a JPG. JEHOSAPHAT GORBEL/GORBLE MARY CATCHPOLE 19 Dec 1822 North Cove Norfolk County Believe these were the parents of my Ezekiel Gorble

Thanks again, Bonnie. I guess you are referring to Lord Hardwicke's Marriage Act of 1753, which I see required all marriages (bar Jewish and Quaker), to take place in a church or chapel of the Established church. "The fear of persecution meant that few Catholic registers were kept before the middle of the 18th century. Most Catholics opted for Anglican registration of vital events." (Oxford Companion to local and family history). Would it be right to assume that this situation eased for your husband's family after either 1829 or 1837; if not, do you know when, please? This might be relevant to a later marriage in the same Brooks family. Many thanks. I'm a bit at sea because my research was centred mainly on Scotland and the Presbyterians for about 50 years, so am truly grateful for help. Jill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bonnie Ostler" <bjrgen@gmail.com> > No, it is Church of England parishes only but if a marriage was to be > legal in the eyes of the state they would have to be married in the Church > of England. My husband's Read family was Catholic but they were still > married in Church of England.

Using FreeREG I looked for baptism of John Burton within 5 yrs of 1763 and got about 25 entries. You could go through them looking at parishes nearest South Walsham first. Burial records will eliminate some of them in early childhood. Given names of his children may provide a clue when matched up with the siblings/parents names of those on FreeREG. Bonnie On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Daphne Ashley <ninjagrandma1@live.co.uk>wrote: > I am stuck! My 4gt grandfather JOHN BURTON married Charlotte Smallpage, by > license on 1st Jan 1800 at St Mary’s SOUTH WALSHAM. (both of this parish) > They had 4 children, Luke John 1800, Elizabeth 1803, Charlotte 1804, > Laurence 1805. > Sadly JOHN BURTON died only 10 years after they married and was buried > march 27th 1810. aged 47 years, a wheelwright still at South Walsham > This would mean he was born abt 1763... but where? > Any thoughts would be appreciated Daphne > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Warren, Just some suggestions. You may have to follow up both Benjamin Allens and check their families before being able to determine which is yours (if either). They may look like the same person for a while, but here are some suggestions to separate the two of them: 1. Check marriages in parish registers of both of these and their siblings and children - parish registers often state parents names and also witnesses can be family, sometimes aunts and uncles are witnesses to next generation marriages. This may help you build up a picture of which family is which. 2. Check what happened to both of these in later censuses - very often grandchildren may be staying with grandparents, or elderly parents living with sons or daughters (sometime in my experience recorded as "visitors" or "lodgers" - their relationship not explicitly mentioned). This again helps build up a picture of the family. 3. Take a look at the original census pages and see who is living next door or just down the road - I've had some surprises here, too! This all helps to build up a picture of a wider family. It may be a process of elimination that takes you down the correct path. Good luck! Colleen From: Warren Diggins <digginswj@aol.com> To: norfolk@rootsweb.com Date: 03/07/2011 10:21 AM Subject: [NFK] Benjamin Allen or Wighton or Williamson born Hevingham c. 1832/3 Hi Listers, I am trying to resolve an issue with two registration entries in FreeReg for a birth at St Botolph Hevingham. They both relate to Registry Entry 581, one indicating that Benjamin Allen was the illegitimate son of a woman surname Wighton, the other has father as surname Allen and mother as Elizabeth Wighton. I am wondering whether this Benjamin Allen has anything to do with the Elizabeth Williamson who married William Wighton at St Botolph Hevingham in 1832. Any ideas / assistance greatly appreciated. Kind regards, Warren Diggins (Australia)

This is just a heads-up in case someone reading this board hasn't found them. Just go to the home page, scroll down a bit and click on Europe to get the list of European datasets available. Search for Norfolk and there they are. There's the parish registers, archdeacons transcripts, and bishops transcripts. There's also marriage bonds, some non-conformist records, poor law union records and the register of electors. Rosemary

The Hevingham children of Benjamin Allen and Elb [Ebbs] were 1805 born Aug 22/ bap Sep 8 Sarah 1808 Feb 21/Mar 20 JANE 1811 Mar 30/ Apr 21 BENJAMIN 1814 bap Jan 23 Phabe - still with parents aged 27 in 1841 census. 1817 Mar 2 Susanna The PRs are online at https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.familysearch.org/records/waypoint/651988 Re: census - my 1841 is on CD and not indexed so can only say Benjamin 1811 not in Hevingham. My 1851 CD cannot trace him in Norfolk. You need access to Ancestry of FMPast which I don't have Regards Jean On 4 July 2011 05:02, Warren Diggins <digginswj@aol.com> wrote: > > Hi Jean, > > I think you have probably resolved the issue with the Benjamin born c. > 1832/3. > > I would now like to find out whether the Benjamin Allen bapt. 1811 > Hevingham to Benjamin Allen and Elizabeth Ebbs possibly emigrated to > Australia. I would appreciate assistance as to whether he shows up in the > 1841 or later British Census. I think the Jane Allen who married Edward > Wighton was probably a sister to this Benjamin. > > Thanks for all the assistance to date. > > Kind regards, Warren Diggins > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jean Greenwood <jeangreenwood@virginmedia.com> > To: norfolk <norfolk@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 0:22 > Subject: Re: [NFK] Benjamin Allen or Wighton or Williamson born Hevingham > c. 1832/3 > > > Hi Warren > I think this may make sense of it:- > >From LDS > dward WIGHTON married Jane ALLEN > 8 Aug 1835 > t Martin at Oak Norwich > I leave you to look up the original entry but if correct then the 1851 > arents are probaly his true parents and he was born before their marriage. > Cheers > ean > > ------------------------------ > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > he message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

All of the Read marriages took place in Church of England right up to the 1890's although I know my husband's great grandfather attended Catholic services in a garrett in Norwich with his older sister when he was a child in the 1870's. There are some recusant Catholic records. My own Spauls appear in the 19th century Costessey Catholic baptism book. The main reasons I have found for a couple not to marry is because one party was already married or the bride was sister of deceased wife. There could also be strong family objections but most people I have traced were too poor to be disinherited. Bonnie On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 6:46 AM, Jill Bloom <jescot33@googlemail.com> wrote: > Thanks again, Bonnie. I guess you are referring to Lord Hardwicke's > Marriage Act of 1753, which I see required all marriages (bar Jewish and > Quaker), to take place in a church or chapel of the Established church. > "The fear of persecution meant that few Catholic registers were kept before > the middle of the 18th century. Most Catholics opted for Anglican > registration of vital events." (Oxford Companion to local and family > history). Would it be right to assume that this situation eased for your > husband's family after either 1829 or 1837; if not, do you know when, > please? This might be relevant to a later marriage in the same Brooks > family. > > Many thanks. I'm a bit at sea because my research was centred mainly on > Scotland and the Presbyterians for about 50 years, so am truly grateful for > help. > > Jill > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bonnie Ostler" <bjrgen@gmail.com> > > > No, it is Church of England parishes only but if a marriage was to be > > legal in the eyes of the state they would have to be married in the > Church > > of England. My husband's Read family was Catholic but they were still > > married in Church of England. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >