It is reminiscent of London...... just look at http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.co.uk/time-zone/europe/uk/england/london/london-villages.htm and you will see what I mean...the same can be said of most (largish) cities in Britain and even towns (like Kings Lynn?). Thanks for triggering a useful train of thought here. David On 23 August 2011 07:53, <davidbooty@btinternet.com> wrote: > Bonnie > > Many of the villages around the City such as Heigham, Catton, Thorpe, > Trowse and Lakenham became joined to it in the late 18th and early 19th C by > building infill. Some of this was in outlying parts of Norwich parishes and > the terms "New Lakenham", "New Catton" etc refer to these areas, as does > Thorpe Hamlet, Trowse Milgate and Pockthorpe - all these were parts of the > City while the old village centres remained parishes of the County. The City > boundaries have been extended several times since > David > ------Original Message------ > From: Bonnie Ostler > Sender: norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com > To: norfolk@rootsweb.com > ReplyTo: norfolk@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NFK] Lakenham part of Norwich? > Sent: 23 Aug 2011 00:37 > > One of my husband's ancestors whom I believe was born Lakenham > 1780 identified himself in 1851 as having been born in Norwich. Was > Lakenham virtually part of the city of Norwich by 1851? > > Bonnie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

How much was down to the enumerator in such cases? A ggfther was born in Hempton. Sometimes this is the given parish for census - but at other times Fakenham is recorded. Can't help wondering whether the enumerator's reaction was "never 'eard of it. What's the nearest town?" on occasion. Similar things occur in my Scottish records e.g.Perth instead of Bridge of Earn, just outside the city. Jill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bonnie Ostler" <bjrgen@gmail.com> To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 11:37 PM Subject: [NFK] Lakenham part of Norwich? > One of my husband's ancestors whom I believe was born Lakenham > 1780 identified himself in 1851 as having been born in Norwich. Was > Lakenham virtually part of the city of Norwich by 1851? > > Bonnie

Yes, I think so. At least some of the 1841 census records for Lakenham were in the Mancroft Registrar's District in Norwich. I have lots of people in my family born in Lakenham in the 19th century (but only back to 1836), and they invariably described themselves as born in Norwich in the censuses. Howard Bonnie Ostler wrote: One of my husband's ancestors whom I believe was born Lakenham 1780 identified himself in 1851 as having been born in Norwich. Was Lakenham virtually part of the city of Norwich by 1851? Bonnie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [1]NORFOLK-request@rootsw eb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the bo dy of the message -- Howard Slatter Cambridge, England References 1. mailto:NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com

Just a quick think on it Bonnie- If you look at Google maps ( satellite view) you can see that the edge of Lakenham comes not far from the end of Ber Street and King Street and Bracondale. I believe that all are a old streets and Ber Street had a lot of old yards of houses that were demolished in slum clearances in the 20th century. However Fadens 1797 has clear gap between Lakenham and the edge of Norwich . Norfolk county councils E map explorer online http://www.historic-maps.norfolk.gov.uk/Emap/EmapExplorer.asp has the 1st edition OS map which might help. Enter Norwich in the search I suppose it depends on where in Lakenham he lived-the part that became New Lakenham would have been close to built up parts of Norwich. It might have hinged on who he was telling- if he gave Norwich as a birthplace because the person he was telling was more likely to know where it was or if he thought he had to give the nearest town Rosie On 22/08/2011 23:37, Bonnie Ostler wrote: > One of my husband's ancestors whom I believe was born Lakenham > 1780 identified himself in 1851 as having been born in Norwich. Was > Lakenham virtually part of the city of Norwich by 1851? > > Bonnie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you to everyone who replied to my question re Lakenham being part of Norwich. The origins of this man have raised questions in my mind for years. He was a resident of Heigham in 1851, birthplace given as Norwich but at the time of his marriage 1802 in Hales he was of Bury St. Edmunds. Because he was a cabinetmaker, I laid that off to having apprenticed there. I am becoming more comfortable with the Lakenham baptism being him. Bonnie

Bonnie Many of the villages around the City such as Heigham, Catton, Thorpe, Trowse and Lakenham became joined to it in the late 18th and early 19th C by building infill. Some of this was in outlying parts of Norwich parishes and the terms "New Lakenham", "New Catton" etc refer to these areas, as does Thorpe Hamlet, Trowse Milgate and Pockthorpe - all these were parts of the City while the old village centres remained parishes of the County. The City boundaries have been extended several times since David ------Original Message------ From: Bonnie Ostler Sender: norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com To: norfolk@rootsweb.com ReplyTo: norfolk@rootsweb.com Subject: [NFK] Lakenham part of Norwich? Sent: 23 Aug 2011 00:37 One of my husband's ancestors whom I believe was born Lakenham 1780 identified himself in 1851 as having been born in Norwich. Was Lakenham virtually part of the city of Norwich by 1851? Bonnie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device

Yes, Lakenham is on the edge of Norwich. Karen ________________________________ From: E Gail Benjafield <egailb@sympatico.ca> To: norfolk@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 22 August, 2011 23:58:38 Subject: Re: [NFK] Lakenham part of Norwich? I have little knowledge of the area, despite many maps and many visits.  Is it Lakenham, or Lavenhem? are you quite sure?    Lavenham, which I have visited for many weeks over several years, and have actually rented a cottage in twice,  is in Suffolk, close to Norfolk.  Quite a famous, lovely town. If Lakenham, then over and out to better/moreknowledgable  listers than am I. Gail B in St. C. On 22/08/2011 6:37 PM, Bonnie Ostler wrote: > One of my husband's ancestors whom I believe was  born Lakenham > 1780 identified himself in 1851 as having been born in Norwich.  Was > Lakenham virtually part of the city of Norwich by 1851? > > Bonnie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have little knowledge of the area, despite many maps and many visits. Is it Lakenham, or Lavenhem? are you quite sure? Lavenham, which I have visited for many weeks over several years, and have actually rented a cottage in twice, is in Suffolk, close to Norfolk. Quite a famous, lovely town. If Lakenham, then over and out to better/moreknowledgable listers than am I. Gail B in St. C. On 22/08/2011 6:37 PM, Bonnie Ostler wrote: > One of my husband's ancestors whom I believe was born Lakenham > 1780 identified himself in 1851 as having been born in Norwich. Was > Lakenham virtually part of the city of Norwich by 1851? > > Bonnie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

One of my husband's ancestors whom I believe was born Lakenham 1780 identified himself in 1851 as having been born in Norwich. Was Lakenham virtually part of the city of Norwich by 1851? Bonnie

As a coincidence , actor Timothy Spall ( Peter Pettigrew in Harry Potter Movies for those who do not know him from other UK work) was featured in the EDP this week as he was in these parts as he travels around the coast in his barge making a TV programme. He was reported as saying his family came from the region . A quick skim at ancestry seems to indicate he is descended from Spalls from South Norfolk/ North Suffolk borders in the late 1800s/ early 1900s. Article may still be on EDP24 online pages. Rosie On 22/08/2011 10:54, Bonnie Ostler wrote: > If anyone on the list has SPAUL/SPALL of West Beckham, Letheringsett, > Swanton Novers, Holt, Wells, Hevingham, Crosswick and King's Lynn please get > in touch with me. I am also currently working on other branches of SPAUL > and SPORLE in Norfolk in parishes around Caister St Edmund, Chedgrave, > Loddon. > > Bonnie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks very much David. Any information I can gather about the area helps to make a clearer picture of Grandfather Sams life. I have also found some photos of older buildings in the area through some of the links sent earlier. Some of the resourses are wonderful for people like me who live so far away. Kind regards, Nan On 22 August 2011 01:35, David Mills <david.mills001@googlemail.com> wrote: > Re Murrow...Have had this reply from my cousin: > > > i have conferred with a friend, a little older than me, today and she was > not aware of any railway properties on front rd, but there are 4 terraced > houses on long drove up near the signal box that were railway cottages, now > privately owned > > the marshalling yards did exist, they loaded animals and strawberries etc > there, they were alongside the line which ran wisbech to peterborough. > there may have been another along the other line because there is still a > train type shed there > > I am sure I remember something about the marshalling yards being among the > largest in England. > > Knowing my cousin there may be a sudden message with more info if it is > available. > > David > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

If anyone on the list has SPAUL/SPALL of West Beckham, Letheringsett, Swanton Novers, Holt, Wells, Hevingham, Crosswick and King's Lynn please get in touch with me. I am also currently working on other branches of SPAUL and SPORLE in Norfolk in parishes around Caister St Edmund, Chedgrave, Loddon. Bonnie

Good Afternoon List, (Re-sent as original seems to have evaporated into the ether!) Ann WHITACRE (various spellings), the daughter of William and Ann WHITACRE, was baptised on 20 Feb 1780 at Intwood with Kewick and said to be born in East Carleton. She married Robert BAYLEY on 15 Dec 1800 at East Carleton. The witnesses seem to be Sarah BAYLEY (probably Robert's younger sister) and James ARBOROUGH. Despite extensive searches in surrounding parishes I have been unable to find any other children of this marriage (there may, of course, not be any) nor the marriage of William and Ann (whose surname I have not yet found). The surname is not registered with GOONS. Has anybody come across this family or have any suggestions as to how I could extend the search? With best wishes, Gerry

Just as an aside, Edward Whitacre, Jr. was CEO of SBC (a large telecom here in the US) for many years: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Whitacre,_Jr. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Gerry Newnham <gerry@kiltie.net> Date: Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 10:55 AM Subject: [NFK] WHITACRE/WHITAKER To: norfolk@rootsweb.com Good Afternoon List, (Re-sent as original seems to have evaporated into the ether!) Ann WHITACRE (various spellings), the daughter of William and Ann WHITACRE, was baptised on 20 Feb 1780 at Intwood with Kewick and said to be born in East Carleton. She married Robert BAYLEY on 15 Dec 1800 at East Carleton. The witnesses seem to be Sarah BAYLEY (probably Robert's younger sister) and James ARBOROUGH. Despite extensive searches in surrounding parishes I have been unable to find any other children of this marriage (there may, of course, not be any) nor the marriage of William and Ann (whose surname I have not yet found). The surname is not registered with GOONS. Has anybody come across this family or have any suggestions as to how I could extend the search? With best wishes, Gerry

Re Murrow...Have had this reply from my cousin: i have conferred with a friend, a little older than me, today and she was not aware of any railway properties on front rd, but there are 4 terraced houses on long drove up near the signal box that were railway cottages, now privately owned the marshalling yards did exist, they loaded animals and strawberries etc there, they were alongside the line which ran wisbech to peterborough. there may have been another along the other line because there is still a train type shed there I am sure I remember something about the marshalling yards being among the largest in England. Knowing my cousin there may be a sudden message with more info if it is available. David

Hi everyone, I have lost contact with a fellow genie and friend Joan Hooks after I moved, and now her email is bouncing. jhooks@cogeco.ca. I am hoping that she is still subscribing to this list or someone knows her. TIA from Marg Andrews of Queensland Australia.

Have you checked your unusual names against those entered in the register of one name studies www.one-name.org Should your contacts prove to be negative perhaps you could consider helping those one name studies by providing whatever information you have in case it allows links to be established with other interested parties ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny Comben" <davcom@tpg.com.au> To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 9:20 AM Subject: [NFK] Nurse - Wing - Parker >I am tracing my family tree and are looking for the name Nurse. > > > > I have John Nurse born 1795 at Stradsett Norfolk. He married Ann. > > > > Two of their children are: > > > > Henry married Susan Colden (Colding?) and one of their children Aves > married > Jemima Nurse daughter of Alfred and Matilda (nee Wing) > > > > Alfred married Matilda Wing who is the daughter of James Wing and Susan > Parker. > > > > Parker is my main line. > > > > I think John born 1795 may have had a brother Henry born 1796 who had a > son > Valentine and Valentine had a son Filber but i am not sure. > > > > If anyone can help it would be much appreciated. > > > > Kind Regards > > > > Jenny Comben > > Perth Australia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I am tracing my family tree and are looking for the name Nurse. I have John Nurse born 1795 at Stradsett Norfolk. He married Ann. Two of their children are: Henry married Susan Colden (Colding?) and one of their children Aves married Jemima Nurse daughter of Alfred and Matilda (nee Wing) Alfred married Matilda Wing who is the daughter of James Wing and Susan Parker. Parker is my main line. I think John born 1795 may have had a brother Henry born 1796 who had a son Valentine and Valentine had a son Filber but i am not sure. If anyone can help it would be much appreciated. Kind Regards Jenny Comben Perth Australia

Hi, Jennie, I have a James Nurse, who married a Martha PLATTEN in Wood Norton, 10 March 1831. Robert Platten, Paris. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny Comben" <davcom@tpg.com.au> To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 9:20 AM Subject: [NFK] Nurse - Wing - Parker >I am tracing my family tree and are looking for the name Nurse. > >

Hi, there is a John Nurse living in West Dereham in the 1851 census , he is head, marr, 58, ag lab, b Stradsett , wife Ann , marr, 56, b Methwold , Jacob, 19, ag lab, b W Dereham Alfred, 12, ag lab, b W Dereham , and with them is Susan Turby , inmate, unm , 24, servant, b Gooderstone, and John Turby, inmate, unm , 5 months , b W Dereham . 10 years earlier in the 1841 in W Dereham, John Nurse, 46, ag lab, Y, Ann, 43, Y, Francis, 17, ag lab, Thomas , 15, Jacob, 11, Henry , 6, Alfred, 3, Robert, 1 . The 1851 census for Stradsett shows a group of Nurse families , Jane Nurse, head, wid, 67, ag lab, b W Dereham, Edward Nurse, son , unm, 22, ag lab, b W D. And next door, Valantine ( as written) Nurse , head, marr, 30, farmer 10 acres no labour b W D , Susan , wife , marr, 25, b W D , Elizabeth , dau , 5 , b W D , Filby, son , unm, 2 ( not clear ) b W D, and with them is Henry Nurse, uncle, unm, 55, landed proprietor , b Stradsett . Hope this helps life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny Comben" <davcom@tpg.com.au> To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 9:20 AM Subject: [NFK] Nurse - Wing - Parker >I am tracing my family tree and are looking for the name Nurse. > > > > I have John Nurse born 1795 at Stradsett Norfolk. He married Ann. > > > > Two of their children are: > > > > Henry married Susan Colden (Colding?) and one of their children Aves > married > Jemima Nurse daughter of Alfred and Matilda (nee Wing) > > > > Alfred married Matilda Wing who is the daughter of James Wing and Susan > Parker. > > > > Parker is my main line. > > > > I think John born 1795 may have had a brother Henry born 1796 who had a > son > Valentine and Valentine had a son Filber but i am not sure. > > > > If anyone can help it would be much appreciated. > > > > Kind Regards > > > > Jenny Comben > > Perth Australia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >