On trawling through the Matlaske Parish Registers on Family Search, I have come across the birth of a person I believe is an ancestor, John Daniell, born 1666. In 1682, John Daniell and his wife, Aliz, had their first son, Jonathan, baptised. This would only make John Daniell 16 years old. Do you think there is some error in the register, or has anybody come across very early marriages before?

Thank you David. I had missed Samuel Daniel's birth in Matlaske, so really appreciate that you spotted it. It looks to me as though Jonathan and Mary Daniel of Blickling went back to Matlaske around 1708 for some reason, Samuel was born there, and then they returned to Blickling. It also looks as though Samuel Daniel went to Metton from Matlaske (he was a widower when he married there) and I believe his son, Jonathan, was my x3 grandfather. I've been looking for burial details for both Samuel and Jonathan, but, of course, as the records are so early, no ages are given in the parish registers on Family Search. Thanks again. > From: David Booty <davidbooty@btinternet.com> > Date: 5 September 2011 13:46:58 GMT+01:00 > To: "norfolk@rootsweb.com" <norfolk@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [NFK] DANIEL(S) - Bickling and Matlaske? > Reply-To: David Booty <davidbooty@btinternet.com>, norfolk@rootsweb.com > > > Meg > > If you are right, then you would expect the family to be somewhere near at hand between the two periods when they were in Blickling. From the records available on FreeREG, I see that the elder Jonathan DANIEL had a son Samuel DANIEL C 1708 at Matlaske, and a Samuel DANIEL had a son Jonathan DANIEL C 1747 at Metton, who could possibly be the younger Jonathan in your tree. To prove this link with reasonable certainty you would need to find burial details for Samuel and the younger Jonathan which gave their ages and thereby confirm their dates of birth. > > David > > > ________________________________ > From: megrose61 <megrose61@googlemail.com> > To: NORFOLK@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, 3 September 2011, 15:27 > Subject: [NFK] DANIEL(S) - Bickling and Matlaske? > > My ancestors came from Blickling, with my x3 grandparents being Jonathan and Catherine Daniel and their first child, Jonathan, being born in 1772. There are no other Daniels mentioned in the Blickling records before this, until the beginning of the century, when Jonathan and Mary Daniel had children baptized in Blickling, the last one being in 1715. Apart from the same name Jonathan, I have no proof that this is part of my Daniels family. > > On browsing through the Blickling parish records on Family Search, I found what I believe to be the death of the early Jonathan in Blickling, 1738. The record helpfully states that he was a 'native of Matlaske' and I've been able to find out quite a bit about the Daniel family in that village , but, again, because there is no direct link between them and my x3 grandparents, I am still unsure whether they are indeed my ancestors. > > The problem is this gap in Blickling between 1715 and 1772. I'd be very grateful for any advice as to how I could research this gap and perhaps link the two families - or not. > > Meg > > -------------------------------

Having now had 3 e-mails via the group, from Brian Porter with valuable information, please be aware that these have all been deleted automatically by anti-virus ware. Jill

Hi Folks - I suspect this to be a "false positive" on the part of the reporter. My AV software allowed the e-mails in question to pass unhindered and safely into my In box. The warning was well meant and appreciated. Although I am not fond of virus warnings, this was specific to this mailing list and therefore "in bounds". Please no continued chatter along the lines of "mine did" or "mine didn't". Thanks - Mark the List Minder At 12:32 AM 9/7/2011, someone wrote: ><snip> please be aware that these have all been deleted automatically >by anti-virus ware ========================= "We do genealogy not because it is easy, but because it is hard." ~paraphrasing JFK (who had his genealogy done for him) Mark Howells markhow@oz.net

Here is the next batch of surnames extracted from the earliest register for the parish indicated, with all the same caveats as provided with Part 1. Wicklewood - Lincoln Middleton - Barbell, Elton Twyford - Wigett, Taverner, Gold Bintry - Woodhouse, Allen, Wygett Blickling - Allen, Barber Weston Longville - Mortimer, Bun Ringland - Alldring, Vincent, Springwell, Fillbeck Fulmodeston with Croxton - Nichols, Cobbe, Jarvis, Alford, Barney Saxlingham Thorpe - Allyn, Flood, Wood, Flowers Hardwick - Spendlove, Woodcock Great Ellingham - Okely, Turner Kettlestone - Parker, Aridell, Colles, Lambert Brandiston - Baxter, Gotterson Bressingham - Parker, Porkett, Fuller Rockland St. Peter - Duffield, Dirks, James Southacre - Tash, Allison, Plattfoot Pulham SMV - Elmer, Sayer Morningthorpe - Maundy, Spendlow, Hawthorne, Carrington, Bent, Saye, Vin, Rope Broome - Nobb, Gildingwater, Bonefellow Woodton - Copping, Poppy, Andrews, Suckling, Spendlove Topcroft - Randolph (later just Randall), Bolton, Balstone Starston - Woodwward, Puddling, Potter, Flattman Mundham - Holmes, Westgate Bedingham - Purcher, Copping, Killet Thwaite - Edwards

Hi All, Many thanks to everyone who kindly replied to my e-mail about the Great Yarmouth records at familysearch.org, it has given me some new ideas which I am going to investigate this coming weekend. Thank you so much for your time and efforts, they are much appreciated. Best wishes Rebecca

Hi Folks, Just wondering if any esteemed members are researching the BEGLEY / BEAGLEY family in Norfolk. Originally thought to have come from Rutland /Leicestershire, into Lincolnshire and Norfolk. Occupation in earlier generations, Chimney Sweeps, hence the inter county traveling. Kind regards. Ray

Hi! Try Free BMD site starts with registrations fom 1837 Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rosemary Jones" <rjones5622@gmail.com> To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [NFK] Familysearch question > Did you see if FreeREG has them? http://www.freereg.org.uk > > On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Rebecca Chapman <rebecca@eopeo.com> > wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> >> >> I am trying to track down a relative that was born in Great Yarmouth in >> approx. 1850. The Norfolk parish registers at familysearch.org don't >> cover >> this year, so I have looked on the Norfolk Bishops transcripts, but seem >> unable to find any records under either Great Yarmouth or Yarmouth. Can >> anyone point me in the right direction please?!?!? >> >> >> >> Many thanks >> >> >> >> Rebecca Chapman >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Try the Norfolk Transciption site: http://www.genealogy.doun.org/transcriptions/index.php ________________________________ From: xpn11 <xpn11@aol.com> To: norfolk@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 5 September, 2011 18:53:56 Subject: Re: [NFK] Familysearch question Might be bits of the registers destroyed by bombing- I am not sure if there is a list somewhere of which records actually survived. Perhaps NRO online catalogue might make it clearer if they are in existence but not filmed , or destroyed. Rosie On 05/09/2011 17:21, Rosemary Jones wrote: > Did you see if FreeREG has them? http://www.freereg.org.uk > > On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Rebecca Chapman<rebecca@eopeo.com> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> >> >> I am trying to track down a relative that was born in Great Yarmouth in >> approx. 1850. The Norfolk parish registers at familysearch.org don't >> cover >> this year, so I have looked on the Norfolk Bishops transcripts, but seem >> unable to find any records under either Great Yarmouth or Yarmouth. Can >> anyone point me in the right direction please?!?!? >> >> >> >> Many thanks >> >> >> >> Rebecca Chapman >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

http://www.great-yarmouth.gov.uk/leisure-culture/heritage/genealogy.htm Rosie On 05/09/2011 18:44, Norfolk wrote: > That period is not yet included in Freereg either. Have you tried to > find them on the 1851 census ? > > Julie > > On 05/09/2011 17:21, Rosemary Jones wrote: >> Did you see if FreeREG has them? http://www.freereg.org.uk >> >> On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Rebecca Chapman<rebecca@eopeo.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> >>> >>> I am trying to track down a relative that was born in Great Yarmouth in >>> approx. 1850. The Norfolk parish registers at familysearch.org don't >>> cover >>> this year, so I have looked on the Norfolk Bishops transcripts, but seem >>> unable to find any records under either Great Yarmouth or Yarmouth. Can >>> anyone point me in the right direction please?!?!? >>> >>> >>> >>> Many thanks >>> >>> >>> >>> Rebecca Chapman >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >

Might be bits of the registers destroyed by bombing- I am not sure if there is a list somewhere of which records actually survived. Perhaps NRO online catalogue might make it clearer if they are in existence but not filmed , or destroyed. Rosie On 05/09/2011 17:21, Rosemary Jones wrote: > Did you see if FreeREG has them? http://www.freereg.org.uk > > On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Rebecca Chapman<rebecca@eopeo.com> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> >> >> I am trying to track down a relative that was born in Great Yarmouth in >> approx. 1850. The Norfolk parish registers at familysearch.org don't >> cover >> this year, so I have looked on the Norfolk Bishops transcripts, but seem >> unable to find any records under either Great Yarmouth or Yarmouth. Can >> anyone point me in the right direction please?!?!? >> >> >> >> Many thanks >> >> >> >> Rebecca Chapman >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

That period is not yet included in Freereg either. Have you tried to find them on the 1851 census ? Julie On 05/09/2011 17:21, Rosemary Jones wrote: > Did you see if FreeREG has them? http://www.freereg.org.uk > > On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Rebecca Chapman<rebecca@eopeo.com> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> >> >> I am trying to track down a relative that was born in Great Yarmouth in >> approx. 1850. The Norfolk parish registers at familysearch.org don't >> cover >> this year, so I have looked on the Norfolk Bishops transcripts, but seem >> unable to find any records under either Great Yarmouth or Yarmouth. Can >> anyone point me in the right direction please?!?!? >> >> >> >> Many thanks >> >> >> >> Rebecca Chapman >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Julie Harold FreeREG Norfolk Coordinator http://www.freereg.org.uk

Hello, Rebecca I contacted FamilySearch to report to them that some of the Yarmouth St. Nicholas parish registers are mixed up and out of order (Baptisms, 1872 - 1876). There's a possibility that the record collection you were looking through could also have some jumbled records. The FamilySearch engineers are working on the problem but it may take a few months to fix. Cudos to their support team for responding so speedily to my error report and to FamilySearch in general for making those records available to all of us. Ros -----Original Message----- From: Rebecca Chapman [mailto:rebecca@eopeo.com] Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 9:05 AM To: Norfolk-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [NFK] Familysearch question Hi, I am trying to track down a relative that was born in Great Yarmouth in approx. 1850. The Norfolk parish registers at familysearch.org don't cover this year, so I have looked on the Norfolk Bishops transcripts, but seem unable to find any records under either Great Yarmouth or Yarmouth. Can anyone point me in the right direction please?!?!? Many thanks Rebecca Chapman

Hi, I am trying to track down a relative that was born in Great Yarmouth in approx. 1850. The Norfolk parish registers at familysearch.org don't cover this year, so I have looked on the Norfolk Bishops transcripts, but seem unable to find any records under either Great Yarmouth or Yarmouth. Can anyone point me in the right direction please?!?!? Many thanks Rebecca Chapman

Meg If you are right, then you would expect the family to be somewhere near at hand between the two periods when they were in Blickling. From the records available on FreeREG, I see that the elder Jonathan DANIEL had a son Samuel DANIEL C 1708 at Matlaske, and a Samuel DANIEL had a son Jonathan DANIEL C 1747 at Metton, who could possibly be the younger Jonathan in your tree. To prove this link with reasonable certainty you would need to find burial details for Samuel and the younger Jonathan which gave their ages and thereby confirm their dates of birth. David ________________________________ From: megrose61 <megrose61@googlemail.com> To: NORFOLK@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, 3 September 2011, 15:27 Subject: [NFK] DANIEL(S) - Bickling and Matlaske? My ancestors came from Blickling, with my x3 grandparents being Jonathan and Catherine Daniel and their first child, Jonathan, being born in 1772.  There are no other Daniels mentioned in the Blickling records before this, until the beginning of the century, when Jonathan and Mary Daniel had children baptized in Blickling, the last one being in 1715.    Apart from the same name Jonathan, I have no proof that this is part of my Daniels family. On browsing through the Blickling parish records on Family Search, I found what I believe to be the death of the early Jonathan in Blickling, 1738.  The record helpfully states that he was a 'native of Matlaske' and I've been able to find out quite a bit about the Daniel family in that village , but, again, because there is no direct link between them and my x3 grandparents, I am still unsure whether they are indeed my ancestors. The problem is this gap in Blickling between 1715 and 1772.    I'd be very grateful for any advice as to how I could research this gap and perhaps link the two families - or not. Meg ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Did you see if FreeREG has them? http://www.freereg.org.uk On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Rebecca Chapman <rebecca@eopeo.com> wrote: > Hi, > > > > I am trying to track down a relative that was born in Great Yarmouth in > approx. 1850. The Norfolk parish registers at familysearch.org don't > cover > this year, so I have looked on the Norfolk Bishops transcripts, but seem > unable to find any records under either Great Yarmouth or Yarmouth. Can > anyone point me in the right direction please?!?!? > > > > Many thanks > > > > Rebecca Chapman > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The younger boy 12 seems most likely for a beginner appentice however I have found many a young man who changed occupations and started over as an apprentice- some dimwits never did pass their apprenticeships. Most people married in their mid 20's from that time onward as they needed to finish their apprenticeships and save some money up before marriage. In the colonies marriage/ first birth of children was often at a much younger age as the need for more children to populate the land took precidence over social ideals. Teenage marriage in the colonies were looked on as shocking by the traditionalists at home! So my best answer is yes the younger boy looks most likely but it's not a certainty. Put a comment in your "notes" regarding the two possible people so that in the future if more conflicting or reliable information comes in you can remember that you had two choices to choose from once upon a time. Nelson Denton

Hallo Bonnie, I have no documentary information to support it, but would chose the yunger as the more likely at that period. Paddy http://apling.freeservers.com -----Original Message----- From: norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bonnie Ostler Sent: 04 September 2011 4:58 PM To: norfolk@rootsweb.com Subject: [NFK] age of apprentice There are two candidates for a carpentry apprenticeship1755 at Hockering, Norfolk. Robert Spaul b. 1736 (age 19) and Robert Spaul b. 1743 (age 12). Unfortunately father's name is not given. One seems a bit old, the other a bit young. Does anyone have an opinion on which is more likely. Bonnie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bonnie, 12 isn't too young for an apprentice - I have one ancestor who was put out to a Parish Apprenticeship at the age of 7 or 8 in about 1760. 19 is probably too old - most children were working by the age of 15. Hope that helps. Gerry On 4 Sep 2011, at 16:57, Bonnie Ostler wrote: > There are two candidates for a carpentry apprenticeship1755 at Hockering, > Norfolk. Robert Spaul b. 1736 (age 19) and Robert Spaul b. 1743 (age 12). > Unfortunately father's name is not given. One seems a bit old, the other a > bit young. Does anyone have an opinion on which is more likely. > > Bonnie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The younger one also fits the marriage data I have. I think you are right. Nineteen seems too old. Bonnie >