Just to note further - most public libraries do list on their web pages what is available via either the computer terminals in the library itself or for users to access remotely. You'll normally find library web pages under the local council in the UK. Obviously all library web pages differ, but start looking for things like "24 hour library" or "eReference" on the web pages of any library for which you are entitled to be a member. For the 19th century newspapers you are looking for names like "Infotrac" or "CenGage". Also do remember that, at least in the UK, you are not limited to the library wnere you live. If you work or study in a different location, you can join the library there as well. regards Keith Swindon UK > -----Original Message----- > From: norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Keith Drage > Sent: 20 September 2011 02:16 > To: norfolk@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NFK] Newspaper Archives.. > > > It is a subscription service from a joint project with the > British Library, > which a number of UK libraries certainly subscribe to (and therefore their > members access for free). > > But limited to UK residents, don't think so: > > http://newspapers.bl.uk/blcs/ > > And to quote from the site > > "The digitised nineteenth century British Library newspapers are freely > available for people in UK higher and further education, in some UK public > libraries, and in some institutions in other countries. Please > contact your > library to find out about access." > > But certainly no limitation at all if you wish to pay. > > >From memory the newspapers with Norfolk information are the > > The Bury and Norwich Post (published in Bury St. Edmunds) > The Ipswich Journal (published in Ipswich) > > and do remember that it is 19th Century newspapers, therefore > strictly 1800 > to 1900. > > The Times archive is also available in a similar fashion and that > has a much > wider range of dates. Also don't forget the London Gazette, while not > containing news as such, is also available for free on the web. > > regards > > Keith > Swindon, UK > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Mary Paterson > > Sent: 19 September 2011 23:48 > > To: norfolk@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [NFK] Newspaper Archives....RE: GRIEF > > familyShernbourneAllegedChild Poisonings > > > > > > What a pity it is only for uk residents..Looks very interesting.. > > > > Mary > > OZ > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stan Langley" <stanllangley@ic24.net> > > To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 5:01 AM > > Subject: Re: [NFK] Newspaper Archives....RE: GRIEF family > > ShernbourneAllegedChild Poisonings > > > > > > > By typing in their library card bar cobe patrons of the > Norfolk Library > > > Service can access some '19th Century British Library Newspapers' in > > > addition to the Times Digital Archive on this link: > > > > http://infotrac.london.galegroup.com/itweb/nl_earl < > > > > > > Stan L. Langley - West Norfolk U.K. > > > Principal Interests; JICKLING; LANGLEY; RICHMOND; WAD(DE)LOW; > > W(H)ILLOCK. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ros Davies" <ros.davies@shaw.ca> > > > To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 3:40 PM > > > Subject: [NFK] Newspaper Archives....RE: GRIEF family Shernbourne > > > AllegedChild Poisonings > > > > > > > > >> Fascinating story, Diane. Where did you find that newspaper archive? > > >> Was > > >> it an online source? (I would love to scroll through old > newspapers to > > >> look for references to my ancestors.) Ros > > > > > > > > > -- > > > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > > > We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. > > > SPAMfighter has removed 3050 of my spam emails to date. > > > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > > > > > The Professional version does not have this message > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Mary You may find that many Australian Libraries also subscribe to this and that their library cards work. I can access through the Auckland library in NZ by typing in my library ticket bar code. Cheers Gail On 20/9/11 10:47 AM, "Mary Paterson" <themaryp@ozemail.com.au> wrote: > What a pity it is only for uk residents..Looks very interesting.. > > Mary > OZ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stan Langley" <stanllangley@ic24.net> > To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 5:01 AM > Subject: Re: [NFK] Newspaper Archives....RE: GRIEF family > ShernbourneAllegedChild Poisonings > > >> By typing in their library card bar cobe patrons of the Norfolk Library >> Service can access some '19th Century British Library Newspapers' in >> addition to the Times Digital Archive on this link: > >> http://infotrac.london.galegroup.com/itweb/nl_earl < >> >> Stan L. Langley - West Norfolk U.K. >> Principal Interests; JICKLING; LANGLEY; RICHMOND; WAD(DE)LOW; W(H)ILLOCK. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ros Davies" <ros.davies@shaw.ca> >> To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 3:40 PM >> Subject: [NFK] Newspaper Archives....RE: GRIEF family Shernbourne >> AllegedChild Poisonings >> >> >>> Fascinating story, Diane. Where did you find that newspaper archive? >>> Was >>> it an online source? (I would love to scroll through old newspapers to >>> look for references to my ancestors.) Ros >> >> >> -- >> I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. >> We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. >> SPAMfighter has removed 3050 of my spam emails to date. >> Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len >> >> The Professional version does not have this message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Gail.. I might try my State Library of NSW readers card..have applied for a readers card also from the NL Canberra.... Mary Sydney ----- Original Message ----- From: "Waring Family" <waring@vodafone.co.nz> To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [NFK] Newspaper Archives....RE: GRIEF family ShernbourneAllegedChild Poisonings > Hi Mary > You may find that many Australian Libraries also subscribe to this and > that > their library cards work. I can access through the Auckland library in NZ > by > typing in my library ticket bar code. > Cheers > Gail > > > On 20/9/11 10:47 AM, "Mary Paterson" <themaryp@ozemail.com.au> wrote: > >> What a pity it is only for uk residents..Looks very interesting.. >> >> Mary >> OZ >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Stan Langley" <stanllangley@ic24.net> >> To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 5:01 AM >> Subject: Re: [NFK] Newspaper Archives....RE: GRIEF family >> ShernbourneAllegedChild Poisonings >> >> >>> By typing in their library card bar cobe patrons of the Norfolk Library >>> Service can access some '19th Century British Library Newspapers' in >>> addition to the Times Digital Archive on this link: > >>> http://infotrac.london.galegroup.com/itweb/nl_earl < >>> >>> Stan L. Langley - West Norfolk U.K. >>> Principal Interests; JICKLING; LANGLEY; RICHMOND; WAD(DE)LOW; >>> W(H)ILLOCK. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Ros Davies" <ros.davies@shaw.ca> >>> To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 3:40 PM >>> Subject: [NFK] Newspaper Archives....RE: GRIEF family Shernbourne >>> AllegedChild Poisonings >>> >>> >>>> Fascinating story, Diane. Where did you find that newspaper archive? >>>> Was >>>> it an online source? (I would love to scroll through old newspapers to >>>> look for references to my ancestors.) Ros >>> >>> >>> -- >>> I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. >>> We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. >>> SPAMfighter has removed 3050 of my spam emails to date. >>> Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len >>> >>> The Professional version does not have this message >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in >> the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

What a pity it is only for uk residents..Looks very interesting.. Mary OZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Langley" <stanllangley@ic24.net> To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 5:01 AM Subject: Re: [NFK] Newspaper Archives....RE: GRIEF family ShernbourneAllegedChild Poisonings > By typing in their library card bar cobe patrons of the Norfolk Library > Service can access some '19th Century British Library Newspapers' in > addition to the Times Digital Archive on this link: > > http://infotrac.london.galegroup.com/itweb/nl_earl < > > Stan L. Langley - West Norfolk U.K. > Principal Interests; JICKLING; LANGLEY; RICHMOND; WAD(DE)LOW; W(H)ILLOCK. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ros Davies" <ros.davies@shaw.ca> > To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 3:40 PM > Subject: [NFK] Newspaper Archives....RE: GRIEF family Shernbourne > AllegedChild Poisonings > > >> Fascinating story, Diane. Where did you find that newspaper archive? >> Was >> it an online source? (I would love to scroll through old newspapers to >> look for references to my ancestors.) Ros > > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. > SPAMfighter has removed 3050 of my spam emails to date. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > The Professional version does not have this message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

It is a subscription service from a joint project with the British Library, which a number of UK libraries certainly subscribe to (and therefore their members access for free). But limited to UK residents, don't think so: http://newspapers.bl.uk/blcs/ And to quote from the site "The digitised nineteenth century British Library newspapers are freely available for people in UK higher and further education, in some UK public libraries, and in some institutions in other countries. Please contact your library to find out about access." But certainly no limitation at all if you wish to pay. >From memory the newspapers with Norfolk information are the The Bury and Norwich Post (published in Bury St. Edmunds) The Ipswich Journal (published in Ipswich) and do remember that it is 19th Century newspapers, therefore strictly 1800 to 1900. The Times archive is also available in a similar fashion and that has a much wider range of dates. Also don't forget the London Gazette, while not containing news as such, is also available for free on the web. regards Keith Swindon, UK > -----Original Message----- > From: norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Mary Paterson > Sent: 19 September 2011 23:48 > To: norfolk@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NFK] Newspaper Archives....RE: GRIEF > familyShernbourneAllegedChild Poisonings > > > What a pity it is only for uk residents..Looks very interesting.. > > Mary > OZ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stan Langley" <stanllangley@ic24.net> > To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 5:01 AM > Subject: Re: [NFK] Newspaper Archives....RE: GRIEF family > ShernbourneAllegedChild Poisonings > > > > By typing in their library card bar cobe patrons of the Norfolk Library > > Service can access some '19th Century British Library Newspapers' in > > addition to the Times Digital Archive on this link: > > > http://infotrac.london.galegroup.com/itweb/nl_earl < > > > > Stan L. Langley - West Norfolk U.K. > > Principal Interests; JICKLING; LANGLEY; RICHMOND; WAD(DE)LOW; > W(H)ILLOCK. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ros Davies" <ros.davies@shaw.ca> > > To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 3:40 PM > > Subject: [NFK] Newspaper Archives....RE: GRIEF family Shernbourne > > AllegedChild Poisonings > > > > > >> Fascinating story, Diane. Where did you find that newspaper archive? > >> Was > >> it an online source? (I would love to scroll through old newspapers to > >> look for references to my ancestors.) Ros > > > > > > -- > > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > > We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. > > SPAMfighter has removed 3050 of my spam emails to date. > > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > > > The Professional version does not have this message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

By typing in their library card bar cobe patrons of the Norfolk Library Service can access some '19th Century British Library Newspapers' in addition to the Times Digital Archive on this link: > http://infotrac.london.galegroup.com/itweb/nl_earl < Stan L. Langley - West Norfolk U.K. Principal Interests; JICKLING; LANGLEY; RICHMOND; WAD(DE)LOW; W(H)ILLOCK. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ros Davies" <ros.davies@shaw.ca> To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 3:40 PM Subject: [NFK] Newspaper Archives....RE: GRIEF family Shernbourne AllegedChild Poisonings > Fascinating story, Diane. Where did you find that newspaper archive? Was > it an online source? (I would love to scroll through old newspapers to > look for references to my ancestors.) Ros -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 3050 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

Fascinating story, Diane. Where did you find that newspaper archive? Was it an online source? (I would love to scroll through old newspapers to look for references to my ancestors.) Ros -----Original Message----- From: Diane Johansen [mailto:lizzy.johansen@btinternet.com] Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 1:52 AM To: NORFOLK@rootsweb.com Subject: [NFK] GRIEF family Shernbourne Alleged Child Poisonings Bury and Norwich Post and Suffolk Herald, Tuesday January 8th 1867 Charge of Child Poisoning: On Thurs last before the Docking Magistrates, four persons named John GRIEF, Susan GRIEF, Mary GRIEF and Sarah GRIEF were brought up on a charge of poisoning two, if not three, illegitimate children at Shernbourne, an adjacent village. The prisoners John GRIEF and Susan GREIF are husband and wife and Mary GRIEF and Sarah GRIEF are their daughters, latterly aged 27 and 23 respectively. The legitimate family of the GRIEFs consists altogether of 12 children of whom 8 are living at home. The names of the children supposed to have been poisoned are Alfred GRIEF, who died Nov. 6 1866, aged 5 years and a half; Ann Maria GRIEF the child of Sarah GRIEF who died April 13 1866 aged 15 weeks; and Jemima GRIEF the child of Mary GRIEF who died in 1860. The bodies of the children have been exhumed and an abundance of arsenic has been found in them; as regards the third child Jemima GRIEF the result of the chemical analysis which is being made by Mr SUTTON of Norwich is not yet known. T! he children, although illegitimate, appear to have never been affiliated; and it may be added as an illustration of the immorality prevailing in the family, that Sarah GRIEF has had another illegitimate child which is still living, while she is understood to be now again enceinte (pregnant). John GRIEF the male prisoner carries on the occupation of a sheep-dresser, a business requiring occasionally the use of arsenic, but when he was interrogated on the subject he denied at first that he had any arsenic in his possession; he made this statement on November 9 but arsenic was afterwards found in his house notwithstanding. The wife Sarah GRIEF had also denied having any arsenic in the house. The male prisoner is understood to have endeavoured to make it appear that he had left some bottles about containing a mixture which he had used in his business but these bottles when found were under the stairs and quite out of the reach of anyone. There were a few drops in the bottle! s containing a mixture of tar, soft soap and arsenic; but the ! poison w as not in the state in which it was detected in the bodies of the children, in which it was found pure and simple. The prisoners all deny that they know anything about the matter. The only witness examined on Thursday was Superintendent ROSE of the Norfolk Police on whose application the prisoners were remanded till Thursday next. Ipswich Journal Sat. 26th January 1867 The adjourned inquest on the body of Jemima GRIEF, one of the children supposed to have been poisoned at Shernbourne, and sister to one of the deceased children, for whose murder the grandmother, Susan GRIEF, was last week committed to take her trial, was held at The Bull, at Shernbourne, last Thursday week. It will be remembered that the body of this child, who died about 7 years ago, was exhumed by order of the coroner, Mr C. WRIGHT,, and having been analysed by Mr SUTTON of Norwich, no poison has been discovered and the proceedings terminated with a verdict of died from natural causes. The Bury and Norwich Post & Suffolk Herald, Tues. April 2nd 1867 The case against Susan GRIEF (grandmother) was held at Norfolk & Norwich Assizes on Wed. 27th March 1867. The prosecution “failed to show a single motive which could have induced the prisoner to take the life of the child Alfred GRIEF”, nor to have “treated the child unkindly in any respect, or to have complained to anybody of its being a burden to her.” “The child’s mother was in a situation and could contribute towards its support and for aught that had been shown to the contrary, the child’s father had also contributed to its maintenance. There was therefore an absence of motive for causing its death.” The prisoner was acquitted on the first charge and the second charge was abandoned. Diane J. (No connection to the GRIEF family) Diane J. (No connection to GRIEF family)

Hello Peter, Sorry for the delay in answering. I was on the digest list so didn't see your message until I went to the archives. Unfortunately, to try and find descendants of Joseph Bernard you would need to have a male descendant of Joseph bearing the Bernard surname to be tested, and I guess that would be quite a job. Only males have Y-DNA and it is useful for tracing back on the male line only as fathers pass their Y-DNA from father to son down the generations. It is not passed to daughters. Female DNA or Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) is passed to sons and daughters, but only daughters can pass it on. As the female name changes from generation to generation it is little use for family history research, although it is used to indicate the deep origins of the female line. The surnames Barnard and Bernard are often interchangeable, hence the name of our project. My own family name changed from Bernard to Barnard in the 18th century. Regards, Alan >Joseph Bernard married Dorcas Pitt (c.1737-1794) at Yarmouth St >Nicholas on 9th April 1764. I found one child so far, Dorcas Pitt >Barnard chr 1767 buried the following year. > >Any good? > >I am connected to the Pitt family. > >Regards >Peter

> From: norfolk-request@rootsweb.com > Subject: NORFOLK Digest, Vol 6, Issue 294 > To: norfolk@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 01:00:26 -0600 > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Barnard/Bernard (Alan Barnard) > 2. Re: Barnard/Bernard (Peter J Richardson) > 3. hi norfolk@rootsweb.com (Jan Holmes) > 4. hey Norfolk (Clive Hayhoe) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 12:13:24 -0700 > From: Alan Barnard <alan_barnard@telus.net> > Subject: [NFK] Barnard/Bernard > To: NORFOLK@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110917121246.05ed46c8@telus.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > Test > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 21:48:10 +0100 > From: "Peter J Richardson" <pjrich.ntl@googlemail.com> > Subject: Re: [NFK] Barnard/Bernard > To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <007201cc757b$1d82a470$680c1a52@PJR2008> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Joseph Bernard married Dorcas Pitt (c.1737-1794) at Yarmouth St Nicholas on > 9th April 1764. I found one child so far, Dorcas Pitt Barnard chr 1767 > buried the following year. > > Any good? > > I am connected to the Pitt family. > > Regards > Peter > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan Barnard" <alan_barnard@telus.net> > To: <NORFOLK@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 8:13 PM > Subject: [NFK] Barnard/Bernard > > > > Test > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 21:21:47 +0000 > From: Jan Holmes <tigerjan775@hotmail.com> > Subject: [NFK] hi norfolk@rootsweb.com > To: norfolk@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP328440E265EC05101793CD2F2080@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > hows it going norfolk@rootsweb.com this is a once in a life time opportunity http://t.co/ePDv6pDc this program allows me to get paid each day I know youll pick up on this quickly > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 22:32:39 +0000 > From: Clive Hayhoe <hayhoe@hotmail.com> > Subject: [NFK] hey Norfolk > To: norfolk@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP8581C837BCE93F778509EEDD080@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > hows it going Norfolk now i can sleep peacefully now that i got no more stress http://t.co/77YbKXi1 you wont believe how much cash ive earned this week I know youll pick up on this quickly > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the NORFOLK list administrator, send an email to > NORFOLK-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the NORFOLK mailing list, send an email to NORFOLK@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of NORFOLK Digest, Vol 6, Issue 294 > ***************************************

Bury and Norwich Post and Suffolk Herald, Tuesday January 8th 1867 Charge of Child Poisoning: On Thurs last before the Docking Magistrates, four persons named John GRIEF, Susan GRIEF, Mary GRIEF and Sarah GRIEF were brought up on a charge of poisoning two, if not three, illegitimate children at Shernbourne, an adjacent village. The prisoners John GRIEF and Susan GREIF are husband and wife and Mary GRIEF and Sarah GRIEF are their daughters, latterly aged 27 and 23 respectively. The legitimate family of the GRIEFs consists altogether of 12 children of whom 8 are living at home. The names of the children supposed to have been poisoned are Alfred GRIEF, who died Nov. 6 1866, aged 5 years and a half; Ann Maria GRIEF the child of Sarah GRIEF who died April 13 1866 aged 15 weeks; and Jemima GRIEF the child of Mary GRIEF who died in 1860. The bodies of the children have been exhumed and an abundance of arsenic has been found in them; as regards the third child Jemima GRIEF the result of the chemical analysis which is being made by Mr SUTTON of Norwich is not yet known. The children, although illegitimate, appear to have never been affiliated; and it may be added as an illustration of the immorality prevailing in the family, that Sarah GRIEF has had another illegitimate child which is still living, while she is understood to be now again enceinte (pregnant). John GRIEF the male prisoner carries on the occupation of a sheep-dresser, a business requiring occasionally the use of arsenic, but when he was interrogated on the subject he denied at first that he had any arsenic in his possession; he made this statement on November 9 but arsenic was afterwards found in his house notwithstanding. The wife Sarah GRIEF had also denied having any arsenic in the house. The male prisoner is understood to have endeavoured to make it appear that he had left some bottles about containing a mixture which he had used in his business but these bottles when found were under the stairs and quite out of the reach of anyone. There were a few drops in the bottles containing a mixture of tar, soft soap and arsenic; but the poison was not in the state in which it was detected in the bodies of the children, in which it was found pure and simple. The prisoners all deny that they know anything about the matter. The only witness examined on Thursday was Superintendent ROSE of the Norfolk Police on whose application the prisoners were remanded till Thursday next. Ipswich Journal Sat. 26th January 1867 The adjourned inquest on the body of Jemima GRIEF, one of the children supposed to have been poisoned at Shernbourne, and sister to one of the deceased children, for whose murder the grandmother, Susan GRIEF, was last week committed to take her trial, was held at The Bull, at Shernbourne, last Thursday week. It will be remembered that the body of this child, who died about 7 years ago, was exhumed by order of the coroner, Mr C. WRIGHT,, and having been analysed by Mr SUTTON of Norwich, no poison has been discovered and the proceedings terminated with a verdict of died from natural causes. The Bury and Norwich Post & Suffolk Herald, Tues. April 2nd 1867 The case against Susan GRIEF (grandmother) was held at Norfolk & Norwich Assizes on Wed. 27th March 1867. The prosecution “failed to show a single motive which could have induced the prisoner to take the life of the child Alfred GRIEF”, nor to have “treated the child unkindly in any respect, or to have complained to anybody of its being a burden to her.” “The child’s mother was in a situation and could contribute towards its support and for aught that had been shown to the contrary, the child’s father had also contributed to its maintenance. There was therefore an absence of motive for causing its death.” The prisoner was acquitted on the first charge and the second charge was abandoned. Diane J. (No connection to the GRIEF family) Diane J. (No connection to GRIEF family)

>From London Gazette Sat. 8th October 1796 Bankrupts Bernard BOWLES, Great Yarmouth, ironmonger, to surrender Oct. 27, 28 and Nov. 19 at three, at the Angel, Gt. Yarmouth. Attorney Mr WORSHIP, Yarmouth. >From London Gazette Feb. 26th 1805 Dividends March 20th B. BOWLES of Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, ironmonger Diane J. (No connection to BOWLES) CLARKE, COBB, SHEPPARD, ABSOLON, Bradwell, Burgh Castle 18th/19th C.

Joseph Bernard married Dorcas Pitt (c.1737-1794) at Yarmouth St Nicholas on 9th April 1764. I found one child so far, Dorcas Pitt Barnard chr 1767 buried the following year. Any good? I am connected to the Pitt family. Regards Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Barnard" <alan_barnard@telus.net> To: <NORFOLK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 8:13 PM Subject: [NFK] Barnard/Bernard > Test > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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Listers interested in Walsingham and South Creake Non-conformist Records will find some details in Family Search under the Wymondham entry. Find 'England' - 'Norfolk Nonconformist Records 1613-1901' - 'Norfolk' - 'Wymondham' - 'Congregational church' - 'Membership Lists, Meeting minutes' (which contains 42 images). Good Hunting: Ron Kerrison

Keith, Yes I have found entries for them in the church registers. I made a mistake and quoted the mothers surname as Wilson when it should have been Gibson, sorry! I knew about the private baptisms but have never come across an entry like this when there is no obvious reason for it. Jan -----Original Message----- From: Keith Drage Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 1:27 AM To: norfolk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NFK] Received into church. Farrow. Farrar (er) Normally when an entry says "received in the church" it means the original baptism was a private baptism, e.g. performed in the home, and therefore in the absence of the congregation. This could have been because the baby might not have been expected to live, or because it was thought more socially superior. As part of the function of baptism is to welcome the baptised person into the local congregation, this is (sometimes) subsequently recorded in the register. I assume when you say "the children had previously been baptised at the church" is that there is a previous entry in the register for that church, rather than you have some separate evidence that says there was a previous baptism ceremony actually in the church building. Note that while some ministers indicated "private" against private baptisms, by no means all apparently did. So in the absence of this mark, there is no guarantee that the original baptisms was actually in the church building. regards Keith Swindon UK > -----Original Message----- > From: norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Jan Rockett > Sent: 14 September 2011 23:41 > To: norfolk@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NFK] Received into church. Farrow. Farrar (er) > > > What I didn't say was that the children had previously been > baptised at the > church. > > Jan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jan Rockett > Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 11:28 PM > To: norfolk@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NFK] Received into church. Farrow. Farrar (er) > > > I have an entry in the Wendling Parish Register for the Farrow (Farrar ) > family stating that John, Elizabeth, Jane,Mary, Ann and Sarah > were received > into the church. These were the son and daughter of John and Mary > nee Wilson > 25 June 1806. If they had already been baptised why would all this be > entered in the registered in one entry? > I have been trudging through these looking for my Rocketts. Elizabeth > married Thomas Rockett in this church in 1822. All along Thomas > had said he > was born Wendling but as yet I have not found his baptism. > > Jan > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

thanks you to all who answered my query and gave direction on how to use the pilot search. Gail B. in St. C. On 15/09/2011 3:04 AM, David Cullingford wrote: > Hi Gail > Pilot search is now called family search, provided by the church > of latter day saints. It is totally free and luckily for people with > family roots in Norfolk allows us to view many of the actual parish > registers and arch deacons/Bishops transcripts in Norfolk! So for you > people in far off lands (California going by your Internet address?) > it can be a very useful tool. > Go to this link > https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1&region=EUROPE > <https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1&region=EUROPE> > Find England, Norfolk and have a play > Not all parishes registers are on there but I think > most archdeacons/transcripts are. > E.G.. Go to the parish registers of Norfolk, click on browse images, > find a parish you are interested in, click on the parish, go through > the list and find a date/register you are interested in and open the > pages to view. > Hope that helps? > If you need any help please don't hesitate to ask. > David > /-------Original Message-------/ > /*From:*/ E Gail Benjafield <mailto:egailb@sympatico.ca> > /*Date:*/ 14/09/2011 21:22:39 > /*To:*/ norfolk@rootsweb.com <mailto:norfolk@rootsweb.com> > /*Subject:*/ Re: [NFK] Family Search Norfolk Images? > Sorry, but I am new to the list and don't know what the Pilot Search > Image Viewing Facility is, or how to access it. > Thanks for any helpyou can give. > Gail B in St. C. > On 14/09/2011 2:12 PM, David Cullingford wrote: > > I have, probably just teething problems. > > > > > > > > > > -------Original Message------- > > > > From: John E Farrow > > Date: 14/09/2011 19:06:16 > > To: norfolk@rootsweb.com <mailto:norfolk@rootsweb.com> > > Subject: [NFK] Family Search Norfolk Images. > > > > Hi > > > > Does anyone else notice a significant drop in performance now that > the Pilot > > Search image viewing facility has ceased ? > > > > I find that now there are several minor irritating changes but the > worst is > > that I keep getting a 'Ooops we cannot find that image' and the > whole thing > > freezes. Is it that the system is getting overloaded ? > > > > Regards > > > > John E Farrow > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com <mailto:NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com> > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the > body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com <mailto:NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com> > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the > body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com <mailto:NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com> > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the > body of the message > > >

Normally when an entry says "received in the church" it means the original baptism was a private baptism, e.g. performed in the home, and therefore in the absence of the congregation. This could have been because the baby might not have been expected to live, or because it was thought more socially superior. As part of the function of baptism is to welcome the baptised person into the local congregation, this is (sometimes) subsequently recorded in the register. I assume when you say "the children had previously been baptised at the church" is that there is a previous entry in the register for that church, rather than you have some separate evidence that says there was a previous baptism ceremony actually in the church building. Note that while some ministers indicated "private" against private baptisms, by no means all apparently did. So in the absence of this mark, there is no guarantee that the original baptisms was actually in the church building. regards Keith Swindon UK > -----Original Message----- > From: norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Jan Rockett > Sent: 14 September 2011 23:41 > To: norfolk@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NFK] Received into church. Farrow. Farrar (er) > > > What I didn't say was that the children had previously been > baptised at the > church. > > Jan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jan Rockett > Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 11:28 PM > To: norfolk@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NFK] Received into church. Farrow. Farrar (er) > > > I have an entry in the Wendling Parish Register for the Farrow (Farrar ) > family stating that John, Elizabeth, Jane,Mary, Ann and Sarah > were received > into the church. These were the son and daughter of John and Mary > nee Wilson > 25 June 1806. If they had already been baptised why would all this be > entered in the registered in one entry? > I have been trudging through these looking for my Rocketts. Elizabeth > married Thomas Rockett in this church in 1822. All along Thomas > had said he > was born Wendling but as yet I have not found his baptism. > > Jan > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

What I didn't say was that the children had previously been baptised at the church. Jan -----Original Message----- From: Jan Rockett Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 11:28 PM To: norfolk@rootsweb.com Subject: [NFK] Received into church. Farrow. Farrar (er) I have an entry in the Wendling Parish Register for the Farrow (Farrar ) family stating that John, Elizabeth, Jane,Mary, Ann and Sarah were received into the church. These were the son and daughter of John and Mary nee Wilson 25 June 1806. If they had already been baptised why would all this be entered in the registered in one entry? I have been trudging through these looking for my Rocketts. Elizabeth married Thomas Rockett in this church in 1822. All along Thomas had said he was born Wendling but as yet I have not found his baptism. Jan ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have an entry in the Wendling Parish Register for the Farrow (Farrar ) family stating that John, Elizabeth, Jane,Mary, Ann and Sarah were received into the church. These were the son and daughter of John and Mary nee Wilson 25 June 1806. If they had already been baptised why would all this be entered in the registered in one entry? I have been trudging through these looking for my Rocketts. Elizabeth married Thomas Rockett in this church in 1822. All along Thomas had said he was born Wendling but as yet I have not found his baptism. Jan

SAMUEL MATTHEWS, he was a tailor (worked in Great Yarmouth, then Heigham Norfolk). Last known address was Heigham 1881 census. Can you access the London gazette online? Tam (Australia) -------------------------------------------------- From: "elizabeth howard" <elizgh@btinternet.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 9:57 PM To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Subject: [NFK] fraud or business troubles 1880's > Hi , try the London Gazette , a lot of people went bankrupt > ........had you let us know his name we might have helped further . > > > > > life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "tam smith" <tamiwell@bigpond.com> > To: <NORFOLK@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 12:49 PM > Subject: [NFK] fraud or business troubles 1880's > > >> Hello everyone, >> I'm wondering if there was any way I could find out if my ancestor was in >> some kind of business trouble or fraud situation....did local newspapers >> report on that kind of thing? I'm just curious as he travelled all the >> way from Heigham Norfolk to Devon sometime between 1881 and 1891 and >> changed his first name. It also seems business wasn't doing so well as >> he >> had moved his business from more of a high end area to a poorer area of >> town prior to all of this. I'm just wondering if perhaps something went >> wrong and he did a runner! >> Thanks, >> Tam : ) >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >