Hi, the 1881 census entry seems quite clear that he is a Rly navvy, b Bale aged 34 . Interesting that George Bond and his family have moved to Jarrow in Durham between 1874 and 1879 presumably for work and then moved back to Norfolk .. Wm Abraham could have moved anywhere building railways or even emigrated and there are so many William Lakes that its almost impossible to find a death between 1881 and 1891 which might be him . life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Lake" <richardlake1611@fsmail.net> To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 6:22 PM Subject: [NFK] William Abraham LAKE. b 1846 > > > Hi all, > I'm hoping some kind person can help me with my 2nd great uncle William > Abraham LAKE born in Bale 1846, Illigitimate son of Martha LAKE (nee > Hindes), her husband Charles Bradfield LAKE having died in 1842. I have > him in the 1851, 1861, 1871 census. In the 1881 census I have him living > with his married sister Elizabeth BOND in Field Dalling. His occupation > has been transcribed as Rly nav vy. I'm supposing this could mean Royal > Navy or railway navvy. > I tried a search on National Archives site but no joy & can't find him in > the 1891 0r 1901 cesus. Any advice or help would be much appreciated. > Richard Lake. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I agree with Honor, thank you for the post Jane. My 3x great grandmother was sent packing with a flea in her ear from Horningtoft back to Witchingham in the 19th century so the officers of the village were still vigilant about who had leave to stay in their village. I am slightly curious though, about why people from Babraham or Bourn in Cambs, Hadley in Suffolk and especially Lancashire were in Horningtoft in the first place in the 16th Century, especially in a condition of vagrancy. Fakenham and Gressenhall I can understand. Would these have been individuals on the tramp, or members of bands of vagrants/travellers or employees who had been sacked? Presumably they were being sent back to the villages of their origin -but how was that enforced or were they just shuffled from village to village? Horningtoft is a bit of a one horse village these days, even if very nice, and there are a number of almost deserted medieaval villages in the area, and I can't find what it had of any great significance in the 16th C. Was it because of the cross Norfolk/Fens route that is now the B1145 and its junction at Brisley with the north south B1110/A1075 down to Thetford? I think I must read up on this. Rosie On 25/09/2011 22:25, Honor wrote: > An excellent post Jane, > This tpye of material is probably lost unless posted in the registers. > thanks Honor. Vanc. island > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jane Milbourne"<jane.milbourne@ntlworld.com> > To:<NORFOLK@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 8:03 AM > Subject: [NFK] Horningtoft 1598 LITTLE WILSON WOODS GRAY HARRISON > > >> > From Horningtoft register: >> >> A note of vagrants taken at Horningtoft in the yeare of o' Lord god 1598 >> in >> the fowerth yeare of the ragine of our soveragine lady Elizabeth queene of >> England France and Ireland >> >> Margaret Little taken vagrant at the towne above saide the 20th of Aprill >> in >> the yeare above saide and sent to Hadley in Suffolk >> >> Elazabeth Wilson sent to Gresnoll the eight of October in the one and >> forth >> yeare of the ragine of Elizabeth >> >> Leanard Woods was taken vagrant and sent to Baburne(?) in Cambridgshire >> 26th >> of January Anno praedicto (in the year already mentioned) >> >> Kateren Gray taken vagrant the five and twenty of November in the yeare >> above said and sent to Faknam in the yeare above said >> >> John Harrison taken vagrant the 28th of January and sent into Lancheshire >> in >> the yeare above said >> >> A note of what money was collected in this towne of Horningtaft for and >> toward the releife of those that suffered losse by a lamentable fire which >> hapned the last day of Aprill in the eleventh yeere of the Reigne of our >> Soveraigne Lord King Charles the second in the the towne of Fakenham. >> >> Collected as above said 13s 8d by Christopher Moulton Curate ibid (in the >> same place) and Edmond Ridgewell and Ed* Le* Churchwardens >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Richard, The Castle Garden website for arrivals into the USA has the following possible listings for William LAKE - William Lake, age 35, labourer, arrived 3 February 1882 aboard "Wyoming" from Liverpool, born England (about 1847?). He was the only LAKE onboard this vessel. http://www.castlegarden.org/searcher.php Cheers Trish Nowra NSW I'm hoping some kind person can help me with my 2nd great uncle William Abraham LAKE born in Bale 1846, Illigitimate son of Martha LAKE (nee Hindes), her husband Charles Bradfield LAKE having died in 1842. I have him in the 1851, 1861, 1871 census. In the 1881 census I have him living with his married sister Elizabeth BOND in Field Dalling. His occupation has been transcribed as Rly nav vy. I'm supposing this could mean Royal Navy or railway navvy. Richard Lake.

Field Dalling is close to the Midland & Great Northern railway line and its base in Melton Constable,so perhaps railway navvy is his occupation. Richard Myhill richardmyhill43@btinternet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Lake" <richardlake1611@fsmail.net> To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 6:22 PM Subject: [NFK] William Abraham LAKE. b 1846 > > > Hi all, > I'm hoping some kind person can help me with my 2nd great uncle William > Abraham LAKE born in Bale 1846, Illigitimate son of Martha LAKE (nee > Hindes), her husband Charles Bradfield LAKE having died in 1842. I have > him in the 1851, 1861, 1871 census. In the 1881 census I have him living > with his married sister Elizabeth BOND in Field Dalling. His occupation > has been transcribed as Rly nav vy. I'm supposing this could mean Royal > Navy or railway navvy. > I tried a search on National Archives site but no joy & can't find him in > the 1891 0r 1901 cesus. Any advice or help would be much appreciated. > Richard Lake. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

or if a railway worker this family 1891 census transcription details for: *35, Gordon Road, Norwich, Lakenham* *National Archive Reference:* *RG number:* RG12 *Piece:* 1526 *Folio:* 47 *Page:* 33 *Reg. District:* Norwich *Sub District:* Mancroft *Parish:* Norwich *Enum. District:* 6 *Ecclesiastical District:* St Mark *City/Municipal Borough:* Norwich *Address:* 35, Gordon Road, Norwich, Lakenham *County:* Norfolk *Name* *Relation* *Condition* *Sex* *Age* *Birth Year* *Occupation , Disability * *Where Born* ------------------------------ LAKE, William Head Married M 47 1844 Joiner Hethersett Norfolk ------------------------------ LAKE, Rebekah Wife Married F 54 1837 Swanton Morley Norfolk ------------------------------ LAKE, John L Son M 15 1876 Student Norwich Norfolk ------------------------------ LAKE, Leonard Brother Married M 58 1833 Joiner Hethersett Norfolk ------------------------------ YOUNG, George Nephew Single M 43 1848 Engine Makers Laborer Staines Berkshire ------------------------------ On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 6:22 PM, Richard Lake <richardlake1611@fsmail.net>wrote: > > > Hi all, > I'm hoping some kind person can help me with my 2nd great uncle William > Abraham LAKE born in Bale 1846, Illigitimate son of Martha LAKE (nee > Hindes), her husband Charles Bradfield LAKE having died in 1842. I have him > in the 1851, 1861, 1871 census. In the 1881 census I have him living with > his married sister Elizabeth BOND in Field Dalling. His occupation has been > transcribed as Rly nav vy. I'm supposing this could mean Royal Navy or > railway navvy. > I tried a search on National Archives site but no joy & can't find him in > the 1891 0r 1901 cesus. Any advice or help would be much appreciated. > Richard Lake. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

*National Archive Reference:* *RG number:* RG12 *Piece:* 1561 * Folio:* 68 *Page:* 36 *Reg. District:* Docking *Sub District:* Burnham *Parish:* Burnham Westgate *Enum. District:* 4 *Ecclesiastical District:* St Mary *City/Municipal Borough:* *Address:* Market Place, Burnham Westgate, Burnham Westgate & Ulph * County:* Norfolk *Name* *Relation* *Condition* *Sex* *Age* *Birth Year* *Occupation , Disability * *Where Born* ------------------------------ LAKE, Abraham Head Married M 47 1844 Agricultural Labourer Thornham Norfolk ------------------------------ LAKE, Harriet Wife Married F 43 1848 West Newton Norfolk ------------------------------ LAKE, Robert A Son M 13 1878 Agricultural Labourer Thornham Norfolk ------------------------------ LAKE, James G Son M 10 1881 Scholar Brancaster Norfolk ------------------------------ LAKE, Ernest A Son M 7 1884 Scholar Brancaster Norfolk ------------------------------ LAKE, Gertrude A Daughter F 1 1890 Burnham Norfolk ------------------------------ On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 6:22 PM, Richard Lake <richardlake1611@fsmail.net>wrote: > > > Hi all, > I'm hoping some kind person can help me with my 2nd great uncle William > Abraham LAKE born in Bale 1846, Illigitimate son of Martha LAKE (nee > Hindes), her husband Charles Bradfield LAKE having died in 1842. I have him > in the 1851, 1861, 1871 census. In the 1881 census I have him living with > his married sister Elizabeth BOND in Field Dalling. His occupation has been > transcribed as Rly nav vy. I'm supposing this could mean Royal Navy or > railway navvy. > I tried a search on National Archives site but no joy & can't find him in > the 1891 0r 1901 cesus. Any advice or help would be much appreciated. > Richard Lake. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi all, I'm hoping some kind person can help me with my 2nd great uncle William Abraham LAKE born in Bale 1846, Illigitimate son of Martha LAKE (nee Hindes), her husband Charles Bradfield LAKE having died in 1842. I have him in the 1851, 1861, 1871 census. In the 1881 census I have him living with his married sister Elizabeth BOND in Field Dalling. His occupation has been transcribed as Rly nav vy. I'm supposing this could mean Royal Navy or railway navvy. I tried a search on National Archives site but no joy & can't find him in the 1891 0r 1901 cesus. Any advice or help would be much appreciated. Richard Lake.

Looking at the image again, it should be "fouerty yeare" Just a reminder that it's always good to look at the original image, transcribers do make mistakes! Jane -----Original Message----- From: norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Simon Sent: 25 September 2011 16:59 To: norfolk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NFK] Horningtoft 1598 LITTLE WILSON WOODS GRAY HARRISON They do if 'fowerth' means fortieth :-) On 25/09/2011 16:24, Williams wrote: > The dates don't tally. QE1 reigned from 1558! > John > > On 25/09/2011 16:03, Jane Milbourne wrote: >>> From Horningtoft register: >> A note of vagrants taken at Horningtoft in the yeare of o' Lord god 1598 in >> the fowerth yeare of the ragine of our soveragine lady Elizabeth queene of >> England France and Ireland >> >> Margaret Little taken vagrant at the towne above saide the 20th of Aprill in >> the yeare above saide and sent to Hadley in Suffolk >> >> Elazabeth Wilson sent to Gresnoll the eight of October in the one and forth >> yeare of the ragine of Elizabeth >> >> Leanard Woods was taken vagrant and sent to Baburne(?) in Cambridgshire 26th >> of January Anno praedicto (in the year already mentioned) >> >> Kateren Gray taken vagrant the five and twenty of November in the yeare >> above said and sent to Faknam in the yeare above said >> >> John Harrison taken vagrant the 28th of January and sent into Lancheshire in >> the yeare above said >> >> A note of what money was collected in this towne of Horningtaft for and >> toward the releife of those that suffered losse by a lamentable fire which >> hapned the last day of Aprill in the eleventh yeere of the Reigne of our >> Soveraigne Lord King Charles the second in the the towne of Fakenham. >> >> Collected as above said 13s 8d by Christopher Moulton Curate ibid (in the >> same place) and Edmond Ridgewell and Ed* Le* Churchwardens >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

They do if 'fowerth' means fortieth :-) On 25/09/2011 16:24, Williams wrote: > The dates don't tally. QE1 reigned from 1558! > John > > On 25/09/2011 16:03, Jane Milbourne wrote: >>> From Horningtoft register: >> A note of vagrants taken at Horningtoft in the yeare of o' Lord god 1598 in >> the fowerth yeare of the ragine of our soveragine lady Elizabeth queene of >> England France and Ireland >> >> Margaret Little taken vagrant at the towne above saide the 20th of Aprill in >> the yeare above saide and sent to Hadley in Suffolk >> >> Elazabeth Wilson sent to Gresnoll the eight of October in the one and forth >> yeare of the ragine of Elizabeth >> >> Leanard Woods was taken vagrant and sent to Baburne(?) in Cambridgshire 26th >> of January Anno praedicto (in the year already mentioned) >> >> Kateren Gray taken vagrant the five and twenty of November in the yeare >> above said and sent to Faknam in the yeare above said >> >> John Harrison taken vagrant the 28th of January and sent into Lancheshire in >> the yeare above said >> >> A note of what money was collected in this towne of Horningtaft for and >> toward the releife of those that suffered losse by a lamentable fire which >> hapned the last day of Aprill in the eleventh yeere of the Reigne of our >> Soveraigne Lord King Charles the second in the the towne of Fakenham. >> >> Collected as above said 13s 8d by Christopher Moulton Curate ibid (in the >> same place) and Edmond Ridgewell and Ed* Le* Churchwardens >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

The dates don't tally. QE1 reigned from 1558! John On 25/09/2011 16:03, Jane Milbourne wrote: > > From Horningtoft register: > > A note of vagrants taken at Horningtoft in the yeare of o' Lord god 1598 in > the fowerth yeare of the ragine of our soveragine lady Elizabeth queene of > England France and Ireland > > Margaret Little taken vagrant at the towne above saide the 20th of Aprill in > the yeare above saide and sent to Hadley in Suffolk > > Elazabeth Wilson sent to Gresnoll the eight of October in the one and forth > yeare of the ragine of Elizabeth > > Leanard Woods was taken vagrant and sent to Baburne(?) in Cambridgshire 26th > of January Anno praedicto (in the year already mentioned) > > Kateren Gray taken vagrant the five and twenty of November in the yeare > above said and sent to Faknam in the yeare above said > > John Harrison taken vagrant the 28th of January and sent into Lancheshire in > the yeare above said > > A note of what money was collected in this towne of Horningtaft for and > toward the releife of those that suffered losse by a lamentable fire which > hapned the last day of Aprill in the eleventh yeere of the Reigne of our > Soveraigne Lord King Charles the second in the the towne of Fakenham. > > Collected as above said 13s 8d by Christopher Moulton Curate ibid (in the > same place) and Edmond Ridgewell and Ed* Le* Churchwardens > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

>From Horningtoft register: A note of vagrants taken at Horningtoft in the yeare of o' Lord god 1598 in the fowerth yeare of the ragine of our soveragine lady Elizabeth queene of England France and Ireland Margaret Little taken vagrant at the towne above saide the 20th of Aprill in the yeare above saide and sent to Hadley in Suffolk Elazabeth Wilson sent to Gresnoll the eight of October in the one and forth yeare of the ragine of Elizabeth Leanard Woods was taken vagrant and sent to Baburne(?) in Cambridgshire 26th of January Anno praedicto (in the year already mentioned) Kateren Gray taken vagrant the five and twenty of November in the yeare above said and sent to Faknam in the yeare above said John Harrison taken vagrant the 28th of January and sent into Lancheshire in the yeare above said A note of what money was collected in this towne of Horningtaft for and toward the releife of those that suffered losse by a lamentable fire which hapned the last day of Aprill in the eleventh yeere of the Reigne of our Soveraigne Lord King Charles the second in the the towne of Fakenham. Collected as above said 13s 8d by Christopher Moulton Curate ibid (in the same place) and Edmond Ridgewell and Ed* Le* Churchwardens

An excellent post Jane, This tpye of material is probably lost unless posted in the registers. thanks Honor. Vanc. island ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane Milbourne" <jane.milbourne@ntlworld.com> To: <NORFOLK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 8:03 AM Subject: [NFK] Horningtoft 1598 LITTLE WILSON WOODS GRAY HARRISON > >From Horningtoft register: > > A note of vagrants taken at Horningtoft in the yeare of o' Lord god 1598 > in > the fowerth yeare of the ragine of our soveragine lady Elizabeth queene of > England France and Ireland > > Margaret Little taken vagrant at the towne above saide the 20th of Aprill > in > the yeare above saide and sent to Hadley in Suffolk > > Elazabeth Wilson sent to Gresnoll the eight of October in the one and > forth > yeare of the ragine of Elizabeth > > Leanard Woods was taken vagrant and sent to Baburne(?) in Cambridgshire > 26th > of January Anno praedicto (in the year already mentioned) > > Kateren Gray taken vagrant the five and twenty of November in the yeare > above said and sent to Faknam in the yeare above said > > John Harrison taken vagrant the 28th of January and sent into Lancheshire > in > the yeare above said > > A note of what money was collected in this towne of Horningtaft for and > toward the releife of those that suffered losse by a lamentable fire which > hapned the last day of Aprill in the eleventh yeere of the Reigne of our > Soveraigne Lord King Charles the second in the the towne of Fakenham. > > Collected as above said 13s 8d by Christopher Moulton Curate ibid (in the > same place) and Edmond Ridgewell and Ed* Le* Churchwardens > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 2011/09/25 12:38, David Cullingford wrote: > Just thought I'd share something I saw in the parish registers at the NRO. > I know this has been the subject of some debate so please excuse the re-post > I just thought it interesting! > > Act of parliament came into effect in 1653, firstly to post banns at place > of worship, public meeting, parish boundaries etc. It also stipulated that > 21years was the age at which parental consent not being required, the > minimum age of a male being 16years, 14years for a female. > > For those of you wishing a reference, it is located in the Redenhall St Mary > register, just go to the year 1653. Interesting. But probably an artefact of the Commonwealth that was dropped or ignored following the Restoration. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg

Just thought I'd share something I saw in the parish registers at the NRO. I know this has been the subject of some debate so please excuse the re-post I just thought it interesting! Act of parliament came into effect in 1653, firstly to post banns at place of worship, public meeting, parish boundaries etc. It also stipulated that 21years was the age at which parental consent not being required, the minimum age of a male being 16years, 14years for a female. For those of you wishing a reference, it is located in the Redenhall St Mary register, just go to the year 1653. There was also this which I found on-line: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=56495 Then we move to the 19th century, where the age changes, 14 for a male, 12 for a female. See the link below: http://www.parliament uk/about/living-heritage/transformingsociety/private-lives/relationships/over iew/lawofmarriage-/ Now I know many of you will think this obvious, but I am sure that there are those less familiar with the laws back then and will therefore find of interest. Regards David

The Cobb & Cobbs surname DNA project is well along, but currently it has a focus on the American descendants of English immigrants. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cobb/ So far, we have found roughly nine genetically distinct families bearing the name, including the following: Descendants of Ambrose Cobbs of Kent and Virginia Descendants of Joseph Cobb of London and Isle of Wight, Virginia Descendants of Nicholas Cobb of London and Isle of Wight, Virginia "Elder" Henry Cobb of Barnstable, Massachusetts I myself am of the Joseph Cobb line. Evidently, he was a dissident and puritan, and named his three sons Joseph, Pharaoh, and Benjamin, as in the biblical story Joseph and the Coat of Many Colors. I believe that he may have been from Norfolk (see http://www.one-name.org/profiles/cobb.html). At this time we are seeking participants from Ye Olde Country to help us learn more about the name and its distribution. One primary question is whether all nine lineages are still extent in England, or whether some have died out (or, for that matter, that there are ones that we have no evidence of here in the US). We are working with both Ancestry 149/179USD (http://www.tinyurl.com/cobbdna) and FTDNA 169/268/359USD (http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/cobb/results). We would greatly appreciate having this information passed along to any biological males bearing the Cobb name! Thank you, Stephanie Admin Cobb surname FTDNA Guild of One Name Studies #5587

Hi Richard & Listers ! I have labelled 2 of your points below and comment as follows:- A) Yes, you are correct to interpret this as an Able Seaman in the Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve and I can see why this may have puzzled you as he was on the 1901 Census as an "Ag. Lab." and also as he lived quite a way inland and not in some coastal fishing village ! I think the main point to remember here is the Royal Navy had 2 large Reserves:- (a) The Royal Naval Reserve (the R.N.R.) which men transferred to on completion of their contracted time in the Navy (say, 7 years full time and then 5 in the Reserve) and I agree that there was not much time for him to do that between 1901 and the outbreak of WW1 in 1914. This Reserve also had many men who were civilians working at sea such as fishermen. (b) The other Reserve was the R.N.V.R. which was the Navy's equivalent of the Territorial Army - i.e. Volunteers who served for a limited period such as a few weeks a year probably plus some weekends. B) As Keith Drage has pointed out to you in his 2 emails of yesterday's date your man seems to have been placed in the Royal Naval Division which was "a Division serving essentially as Army in Flanders consisting of surplus men from the RNR, RNVR and RFR." (The first two sets of initials you have above; the R.F.R. was the Royal Fleet Reserve.) They were a large number of Naval personnel who were not needed at sea so were pressed into serving as infantry in the trenches - retaining Naval uniforms and ranks, but basically cannon-fodder. As Keith also pointed out their units tended to maintain a very tenuous link by naming their battalions after Admirals rather than numbers. The military jargon should be a reasonable trail to follow if you have his unit's name as they normally kept unit diaries in the same way as the Army and you may be able to find these at TNA, Kew. My illustrious Naval career merely consisted of 2 years National Service in the early 1950s (and rising to the dizzy heights of A.B.), but I have always maintained an interest in the subject, so if I can help with any of the jargon please do not hesitate to ask ! One of the main things to remember is that not all things with "H.M.S." in front of a name are actual ships - the Navy always gives shore bases and training depots such names ! Good Hunting ! Roger. P.S. The Royal Australian Navy was run very much on Royal Navy lines, but of course these later records may be out in Canberra or some other part of Australia ? ---------------------- On 24 Sep 2011, at 08:48, richard wrote: > A big thank you to Elizabeth and Keith for their help in enabling > me to find > the service record "Uncle Jimmy", i have also been able to retrieve > the > service record of another member of the family who joined the navy > aged 12 > in 1895,and was eventually transferred to the Royal Australian > Navy.I have > never found the National Archives website to be very user > friendly,and so i > really appreciate their help. > Now i have got to try and interpret the military > jargon.............................................(B) > Thanks again. > Richard Myhill > > richardmyhill43@btinternet.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "richard" <richardmyhill43@btinternet.com> > To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 4:45 PM > Subject: [NFK] BARTRAM.SAMUEL JAMES, TIVETSHALL ST.MARY. > > >> I have two WW!. medals,the Victory Medal and the the British War >> Medal that >> were awarded to my 2 x gt.grandmothers brother Samuel James Bartram. >> Each medal is inscribed around the rim with R4825. S J BARTRAM. >> AB.RNVR. >> which i take to mean able seaman Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve. >> So i would assume that to be a reserve in the Royal Navy he would >> have had >> to have previous experience in the Royal >> Navy....................................................(A) >> He was born December 29 1875 and in the 1901 census is an >> agricultural >> labourer in Tivetshall,so he did not seem to have too much time to >> fit in >> a naval career before the war started. >> I am hoping that someone on the list is able to tell me more about >> his >> military history in the war as he must have served somewhere to be >> awarded >> these medals, and how he came to be a naval volunteer. >> Richard. >> Richard Myhill >> >> richardmyhill43@btinternet.com >>

A big thank you to Elizabeth and Keith for their help in enabling me to find the service record "Uncle Jimmy",i have also been able to retrieve the service record of another member of the family who joined the navy aged 12 in 1895,and was eventually transferred to the Royal Australian Navy.I have never found the National Archives website to be very user friendly,and so i really appreciate their help. Now i have got to try and interpret the military jargon. Thanks again. Richard Myhill richardmyhill43@btinternet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "richard" <richardmyhill43@btinternet.com> To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 4:45 PM Subject: [NFK] BARTRAM.SAMUEL JAMES, TIVETSHALL ST.MARY. >I have two WW!. medals,the Victory Medal and the the British War Medal that >were awarded to my 2 x gt.grandmothers brother Samuel James Bartram. > Each medal is inscribed around the rim with R4825. S J BARTRAM. AB.RNVR. > which i take to mean able seaman Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve. > So i would assume that to be a reserve in the Royal Navy he would have had > to have previous experience in the Royal Navy. > He was born December 29 1875 and in the 1901 census is an agricultural > labourer in Tivetshall,so he did not seem to have too much time to fit in > a naval career before the war started. > I am hoping that someone on the list is able to tell me more about his > military history in the war as he must have served somewhere to be awarded > these medals, and how he came to be a naval volunteer. > Richard. > Richard Myhill > > richardmyhill43@btinternet.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for the attempts to help me with the John Williamson and Mary Smith family in Hindolveston. You have all discovered the difficult task I have with the Williamson family. There are lots of them all in the area of Hindolveston, Briston, etc. I have had to look at all the census records to compare birth places, ages, and relationships to find out who is who. Many of the people you located we already have researched and found who married whom and where they lived. It is just that none of this couple and their 4 children show up after the christening of the last daughter in 1831. There are more Williamsons than we have selected as being more closely related to us, but so far on my program I have 1 Charlotte, 1 Edward, 4 Elizabeths, 2 Emilys, 1 Francis, 3 Harriots, 1 Henry, 3 Jameses, 3 Johns, 2 Marias, 2 Marthas, 1 Mary, 3 Mary Anns, 1 Rebecca, 5 Roberts, 2 Sarahs, 2 Thomases, and 4 Williams. At least 6 of the males married someone named Mary Ann, and after the men died the wives remarried, but of course appear as Williamson, so that makes about 10 Mary Anns to sort out on marriages and censuses. I must be nuts, but it is actually fun sorting them out and so rewarding when something is found to be undoubtedly documented so we can be sure they are in the right family. Well, for now I must move forward. Thanks again for suggestions. Edward A. Scriven Layton, UT Always be happy!!.

Hello Sheila – it’s a long time since we corresponded! I found your Annie mistranscribed as “Annei Marua Burrage” (believe it or not). She is a servant, age 16, born Burgh Castle, living with William John MUSSON and his wife Edith at 57 High Road, Southtown, Great Yarmouth. William was a Primitive Methodist Minister. Best wishes Diane J. (Still researching – but not so often – CLARKE, COBB, ABSOLON, SHEPPARD and others at Burgh Castle 18th/19th Centuries) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 16:38:52 +0100 (BST) From: P HUTCHINSON <paul.sheila844@btinternet.com> Subject: [NFK] Annie Maria Burrage To: NORFOLK@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <1316792332.37266.YahooMailClassic@web87206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I am unable to find Annie Maria Burrage in the 1911 census. Has anyone come across her? Please let me know. She was born Burgh Castle 21 June 1894 and was listed in 1901 census as living at Burgh Castle. age 6 I have not been able to find her baptism in the Burgh Castle parish records. Any suggestions please. Thanks Sheila Hutchinson

As an afterthought, there is a significant amount of material on the Royal Naval Division on the world wide web. Just type that into any search engine. Some of the sites are better than others, and obviously none of these sites are original documents and therefore will all contain their own set of errors. When you have his service record you should know which battalion (you will be looking for names of Admirals rather than numbers) he was in at various dates, and that should allow you to tie up which theatres of war he was in and what he was likely to be doing. regards Keith Swindon UK > -----Original Message----- > From: norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Keith Drage > Sent: 23 September 2011 17:31 > To: norfolk@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NFK] BARTRAM.SAMUEL JAMES, TIVETSHALL ST.MARY. > > > If you go to the National Archives documents online > > http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/power-search.as > p?searchTy > pe=powersearch > > you will come up with one record as follows: > > Description Name Bartram, Samuel James > Service Number(s): R/4825 > Rank or Rating: Ordinary Seaman, Able Seaman > Date of Birth: 29 December 1875 > > Date 29 December 1875 > Catalogue reference ADM 339/1 > Dept Records of the Admiralty, Naval Forces, Royal Marines, > Coastguard, and > related bodies > Series Admiralty and War Office: Royal Naval Division: Records of Service > (Microfiche Copies) > Piece Ratings/other ranks > Image contains 1 document of many for this catalogue reference > > > Number of image files: 1 > > > Image Reference Format and Version Part Number Size (KB) Number of Pages > Price (?) > 2165 / 38176 PDF 1.2 1 242 3 3.50 > Total Price (?) 3.50 > > Which you can either buy online, or go to the National Archives > to view for > free (the Society of Genealogists library also gives free > access). (Various > of the National Archives documents online are also available via Ancestry > but I don't think ADM339 is. > > I believe this should look something like the standard register of seamans > service which should describe all the postings and their dates. The Royal > Naval Division was a Division serving essentially as Army in Flanders > consisting of surplus men from the RNR, RNVR and RFR. > > regards > > Keith > Swindon UK > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of richard > > Sent: 23 September 2011 16:45 > > To: norfolk@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [NFK] BARTRAM.SAMUEL JAMES, TIVETSHALL ST.MARY. > > > > > > I have two WW!. medals,the Victory Medal and the the British War > > Medal that were awarded to my 2 x gt.grandmothers brother Samuel > > James Bartram. > > Each medal is inscribed around the rim with R4825. S J BARTRAM. > > AB.RNVR. which i take to mean able seaman Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve. > > So i would assume that to be a reserve in the Royal Navy he would > > have had to have previous experience in the Royal Navy. > > He was born December 29 1875 and in the 1901 census is an > > agricultural labourer in Tivetshall,so he did not seem to have > > too much time to fit in a naval career before the war started. > > I am hoping that someone on the list is able to tell me more > > about his military history in the war as he must have served > > somewhere to be awarded these medals, and how he came to be a > > naval volunteer. > > Richard. > > Richard Myhill > > > > richardmyhill43@btinternet.com > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message