Hello Jan The best way to find out if Ann Beavers was widowed Ann Allen is to send for a copy of Zachariah's marriage certificate. You can do this on line wherever you live in the world. I don't know what the cost is now as I haven't sent for any certificates recently. The Beavers/ROCKET marriage is in Free BMD so you can find the reference for ordering a certificate. I have checked the 1841 census and there is a BAVOIS family living in Wendling with a daughter named Ann who would have been the right age to marry in 1844/5. The surname is spelled BAVOIS on the census form and the father is an Ag Lab. Good luck! Elizabeth Pugh Yukon Canada

Mark, There are some interesting pictures at http://www.railalbum.co.uk/railway-wagons/military/ww1-royal-navy-gwr-crocodile-gun-mount.htm Alan At 09:27 AM 23/10/2011, you wrote: >Hi Norfolkies - > >A history oriented question for which I hope to get some direction >from the mailing list. > >I found a throw away reference to the War Office having >commissioned armed trains along the Norfolk coast in 1914. They >were always kept under steam apparently to protect from enemy >invasion. (Because obviously if Happisburgh was to fall, that would >lead directly to the fall of East Ruston and then the rest of the >dominoes would tip! Picklehaubes in North Walsham - unthinkable!) > >Can anyone point me to references regarding what these coastal >protection trains were like and how long they were in service? > >Thanks - Mark > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think you will find it was the Midland and Great Northern railway Mark, The LNER was not formed until 1923. During WW1, Melton Constable and Weybourne were larger railway junctions for East Anglia. This site mentions a little bit about amalgamations. Honor. Vanc. Island. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Howells" <markhow@oz.net> To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 9:27 AM Subject: [NFK] Norfolk History - Great War armed coastal trains > Hi Norfolkies - > > A history oriented question for which I hope to get some direction > from the mailing list. > >> Can anyone point me to references regarding what these coastal > protection trains were like and how long they were in service? > > Thanks - Mark > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Is it possible that Ann Allen had been married to a Beavers before she married Zac Rocket? This would account for the different names. Rosemary On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 10:02 AM, elizabeth howard <elizgh@btinternet.com>wrote: > Hi freebmd has a marriage of Zachariah Rocket ( one t ) to > Ann Beavers ( the only Ann in the list ) in the Dec 1/4 of 1844 reg dist > Mitford , vol 13 , p 645 . > > > > life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jan Rockett" <jan.rockett@ntlworld.com> > To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 2:15 PM > Subject: [NFK] Wendling marriages 1844 > > > >I have recently found that a marriage I have on my tree may be wrong. I > >have > > the date and place of this marriage between Zachariah Rockett and Ann > > Allen > > taking place in Wendling 9 December 1844. > > The problem is that I have been advised that the brides surname was > > Beavers > > and not Allen. I did not note the source of the information, this was > from > > years ago, and now cannot find it again. I can find the marriage between > > Rockett and Beavers but not my original. I must have seen it somewhere or > > I > > would not have a date! > > I have looked on Family Search but the Wendling registers aren't there > for > > that date, either in images or in the main search engine, nor on the > > Norfolk > > Transcriptions or Freereg. > > Help. > > > > Jan > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Norfolkies - A history oriented question for which I hope to get some direction from the mailing list. I found a throw away reference to the War Office having commissioned armed trains along the Norfolk coast in 1914. They were always kept under steam apparently to protect from enemy invasion. (Because obviously if Happisburgh was to fall, that would lead directly to the fall of East Ruston and then the rest of the dominoes would tip! Picklehaubes in North Walsham - unthinkable!) Can anyone point me to references regarding what these coastal protection trains were like and how long they were in service? Thanks - Mark

Hi. Listers, I am wondering if anyone has access to the Parish Records for the Norwich District. I am looking for the marriage of Frederick William MARKHAM to Emma Maria RUDLING - December qtr., 1876 Norwich District ( 4b 333 ). from FreeBMD. the marriage possibly took place in Wymondham but am not sure on that. I have two possible candidates for the bride - Emma Maria or Anna Maria RUDLING. I have found some Census entries that say Emma and others that say Anna. If anyone can find a marriage that fits the above details I would be most interested in the ages of the bride and groom and also the Fathers names and occupations of both parties. I realise that this is a long shot and I am asking a lot, but I am also hoping that someone may be able to find a clue for me. Many thanks, Kind regards, Judy Australia.

FamilySearch has parish register images for Norfolk and there are 35 parishes with Norwich in the name. Have you looked at FreeREG to see if it is there and to isolate the parish? I found the marriage in FamilySearch: groom's name:Frederick William Markhamgroom's birth date:1856groom's age:20bride's name:Emma Maria Rudlingbride's birth date:1855bride's age:21marriage date:16 Oct 1876marriage place:Norwich, Norfolk, Englandgroom's father's name:Frederick Markhambride's father's name:Jasher Rudlingindexing project (batch) number: I05429-7system origin:England-EASysource film number:1657181This still doesn't give you the parish if you want an image for your records. Rosemary On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 9:35 AM, Judy Brown <keijud13@bigpond.com> wrote: > Hi. Listers, > > I am wondering if anyone has access to the Parish Records for the Norwich > District. > > I am looking for the marriage of Frederick William MARKHAM to Emma Maria > RUDLING - December qtr., 1876 Norwich District ( 4b 333 ). from FreeBMD. > the marriage possibly took place in Wymondham but am not sure on that. > > I have two possible candidates for the bride - Emma Maria or Anna Maria > RUDLING. > > I have found some Census entries that say Emma and others that say Anna. > > If anyone can find a marriage that fits the above details I would be most > interested in the ages of the bride and groom and also the Fathers names and > occupations of both parties. > > I realise that this is a long shot and I am asking a lot, but I am also > hoping that someone may be able to find a clue for me. > > Many thanks, > > Kind regards, > Judy > Australia. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Shouldn't you look for Colemanballs in Private Eye? <Sorry list - this was just too good to pass up...> Ruth > Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 13:21:13 -0700 > From: tenniseggpaul@sbcglobal.net > To: norfolk@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NFK] COLMAN/BALLS > > I finally found my ggg grandfather's baptism (John COLMAN) confirming his baptism in 1790 in Swanton Novers to John and Mary (nee Muffet or Mofat etc). I had already searched on microfilm at the LDS library but missed it - I found it courtesy of the new images loaded by LDS. Very difficult to read no wonder I missed it. I've also been able to check off many other records - isn't it great to have all of them online? > > Fortunately the details of the second born William in 1792 shows the mother's maiden name. Strangely enough there are no other children to be found even though they lived until 1837 and 1839 respectively and in the same place. > > I am trying to find 4x g gf John's parents. Per the burial record this John was born abt 1762. The likely one is the from the marriage of John and Sarah (nee Chrismas) who married Nov 12, 1761 in Stody. I have found several children the first being Elizabeth Mar 24, 1763. However the expected ch of John late 1761/early 1762 did not materialize and I have searched all the nearby villages. > > Does anyone have any details? > > GGG Gf John married Elizabeth BALLS (fortunately they named the first born in Barney John Balls Colman). Elizabeth Balls was born 20 Aug Great Yarmouth to Samuel and Elizabeth Howes I think that is her middle name not nee and I found a marriage in Yarmouth to Elizabeth Flemming but it didn't mention Howes. Anybody researching the BALLS in Yarmouth? > > Paul > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Many thanks to everyone who replied to my question re MARKHAM / RUDLING. Your answers have been very useful in my search. Again, many thanks for your time and trouble. Kind regards, Judy.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Eggleton" <tenniseggpaul@sbcglobal.net> To: "Norfolk" <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 9:21 PM Subject: [NFK] COLMAN/BALLS > GGG Gf John married Elizabeth BALLS (fortunately they named the first born > in Barney John Balls Colman). > Elizabeth Balls was born 20 Aug Great Yarmouth to Samuel and Elizabeth > Howes I think that is her middle > name not nee and I found a marriage in Yarmouth to Elizabeth Flemming but > it didn't mention Howes. > Anybody researching the BALLS in Yarmouth? There are too many of them to make sense of - at the moment I have found Elizabeth daughter of Samuel Balls & Elizabeth Flemming was buried as an infant on 20th October 1793 so she is unlikely to be the one you are looking for. It seems likely that these were the parents of Mary Ann chr 10th June 1806, Elizabeth's name being given as Flamanke. Samuel Balls and Elizabeth Johnson produced James (c.1795-1798) and William (c.1800-1803). Samuel Balls and Elizabeth Yallop produced William chr 31st Oct 1793. Finally I have found a James Guskwin Balls born 26 May 1797, but christened twenty years later on 24th April 1817 to Samuel, a millwright, and Elizabeth unknown. Regards Peter

>From Parish Register of Norwich St Lawrence "Buried in this parish of the plague from Nov 3rd 1665 to Dec 10th 1666 - 72"

Thanks for info Peter. Paul ________________________________ From: Peter J Richardson <pjrich.ntl@googlemail.com> To: Paul Eggleton <tenniseggpaul@sbcglobal.net>; norfolk@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [NFK] COLMAN/BALLS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Eggleton" <tenniseggpaul@sbcglobal.net> To: "Norfolk" <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 9:21 PM Subject: [NFK] COLMAN/BALLS > GGG Gf John married Elizabeth BALLS (fortunately they named the first born in Barney John Balls Colman). > Elizabeth Balls was born 20 Aug Great Yarmouth to Samuel and Elizabeth Howes I think that is her middle > name not nee and I found a marriage in Yarmouth to Elizabeth Flemming but it didn't mention Howes. > Anybody researching the BALLS in Yarmouth? There are too many of them to make sense of - at the moment I have found Elizabeth daughter of Samuel Balls & Elizabeth Flemming was buried as an infant on 20th October 1793 so she is unlikely to be the one you are looking for. It seems likely that these were the parents of Mary Ann chr 10th June 1806, Elizabeth's name being given as Flamanke. Samuel Balls and Elizabeth Johnson produced James (c.1795-1798) and William (c.1800-1803). Samuel Balls and Elizabeth Yallop produced William chr 31st Oct 1793. Finally I have found a James Guskwin Balls born 26 May 1797, but christened twenty years later on 24th April 1817 to Samuel, a millwright, and Elizabeth unknown. Regards Peter

I finally found my ggg grandfather's baptism (John COLMAN) confirming his baptism in 1790 in Swanton Novers to John and Mary (nee Muffet or Mofat etc). I had already searched on microfilm at the LDS library but missed it - I found it courtesy of the new images loaded by LDS. Very difficult to read no wonder I missed it. I've also been able to check off many other records - isn't it great to have all of them online? Fortunately the details of the second born William in 1792 shows the mother's maiden name. Strangely enough there are no other children to be found even though they lived until 1837 and 1839 respectively and in the same place. I am trying to find 4x g gf John's parents. Per the burial record this John was born abt 1762. The likely one is the from the marriage of John and Sarah (nee Chrismas) who married Nov 12, 1761 in Stody. I have found several children the first being Elizabeth Mar 24, 1763. However the expected ch of John late 1761/early 1762 did not materialize and I have searched all the nearby villages. Does anyone have any details? GGG Gf John married Elizabeth BALLS (fortunately they named the first born in Barney John Balls Colman). Elizabeth Balls was born 20 Aug Great Yarmouth to Samuel and Elizabeth Howes  I think that is her middle name not nee and I found a marriage in Yarmouth to Elizabeth Flemming but it didn't mention Howes. Anybody researching the BALLS in Yarmouth? Paul

Dear Listers, I am hoping that someone may be able to help me. I am looking for the Parents of - Frederick William MARKHAM born March qtr., 1877 in the Norwich District of Norfolk. Frederick married Florence Louise BIRD born December qtr., 1877 in Camden Town in the September qtr., 1897 in the Norwich District. Frederick appears in the 1881 Census with his Uncle & Aunt - Jasper & Maria RUDLING ( nee BUTLER ). Jasper & Maria were born in 1829 & 1834 respectively both in Wymondham. As Frederick is listed as a Nephew he could be related to either Jasper or Maria. In the 1891 Census Frederick is with his Uncle - Jasper RUDLING. I have looked on Free BMD for either a MARKHAM / RUDLING or a MARKHAM / BUTLER marriage without any luck. Any assistance in locating Frederick’s parents would be greatly appreciated. King regards, Judy, Australia.

Have you checked your unusual name against those entered in the register of one name studies www.one-name.org Should your contacts prove to be negative perhaps you could consider helping those one name studies by providing whatever information you have in case it allows links to be established with other interested parties ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Brown" <keijud13@bigpond.com> To: <NORFOLK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 1:37 PM Subject: [NFK] Markham & Rudling. > Dear Listers, > > I am hoping that someone may be able to help me. > I am looking for the Parents of - Frederick William MARKHAM born March > qtr., 1877 in the Norwich District of Norfolk. > Frederick married Florence Louise BIRD born December qtr., 1877 in Camden > Town in the September qtr., 1897 in the Norwich District. > Frederick appears in the 1881 Census with his Uncle & Aunt - Jasper & > Maria RUDLING ( nee BUTLER ). > Jasper & Maria were born in 1829 & 1834 respectively both in Wymondham. > As Frederick is listed as a Nephew he could be related to either Jasper or > Maria. > In the 1891 Census Frederick is with his Uncle - Jasper RUDLING. > > I have looked on Free BMD for either a MARKHAM / RUDLING or a MARKHAM / > BUTLER marriage without any luck. > > Any assistance in locating Frederick’s parents would be greatly > appreciated. > > King regards, > Judy, > Australia. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

>From Family search Frederick William Markham bap 4 Feb 1877 St Stephen Norwich son Frederick William Markham and Anna Maria Markham 1881 Census RG11/1952/8 9 9 Gladstone St Norwich Frederick William Markham 25 [b 1856 Norwich] occupation Clicker [boot] Anna 24 b [1856 Wymondham] tailoress Albert C 3 [b 1878 |Norwich] Rosa A 1 [b 1880 Norwich] Maud 0 [b 1881 Norwich] Cheers Jean On 15 October 2011 13:37, Judy Brown <keijud13@bigpond.com> wrote: > Dear Listers, > > I am hoping that someone may be able to help me. > I am looking for the Parents of - Frederick William MARKHAM born March > qtr., 1877 in the Norwich District of Norfolk. > . > > . > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, the simplest answer is to get the birth certificate or the marriage certificate , both of which should give the father`s name . Jasper Rudling came from Wymondham and is the son of James and Sarah Rudling, he was a silk and worstead weaver aged 45 in the 1841 census and Jasper was 11 . Jasper Rudling married Maria Butler in the Marylebone district in the March 1/4 of 1854 vol 1a p 636. I think if he is listed as nephew , he should be the nephew of the head of the house which was presumably Jasper . There is a marriage between Emma Maria Rudling and Frederick William Markham in Norwich district , Dec 1/4 1876 vol 4b p 333. So thar rather looks as if Emma and Frederick were your FW Markham`s parents. life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Brown" <keijud13@bigpond.com> To: <NORFOLK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 1:37 PM Subject: [NFK] Markham & Rudling. > Dear Listers, > > I am hoping that someone may be able to help me. > I am looking for the Parents of - Frederick William MARKHAM born March > qtr., 1877 in the Norwich District of Norfolk. > Frederick married Florence Louise BIRD born December qtr., 1877 in Camden > Town in the September qtr., 1897 in the Norwich District. > Frederick appears in the 1881 Census with his Uncle & Aunt - Jasper & > Maria RUDLING ( nee BUTLER ). > Jasper & Maria were born in 1829 & 1834 respectively both in Wymondham. > As Frederick is listed as a Nephew he could be related to either Jasper or > Maria. > In the 1891 Census Frederick is with his Uncle - Jasper RUDLING. > > I have looked on Free BMD for either a MARKHAM / RUDLING or a MARKHAM / > BUTLER marriage without any luck. > > Any assistance in locating Frederick’s parents would be greatly > appreciated. > > King regards, > Judy, > Australia. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Marriages Dec 1876 Markham Frederick William Norwich 4b333 Rudling Emma Maria Norwich 4b333 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Brown" <keijud13@bigpond.com> To: <NORFOLK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 1:37 PM Subject: [NFK] Markham & Rudling. > Dear Listers, > > I am hoping that someone may be able to help me. > I am looking for the Parents of - Frederick William MARKHAM born March > qtr., 1877 in the Norwich District of Norfolk. > Frederick married Florence Louise BIRD born December qtr., 1877 in Camden > Town in the September qtr., 1897 in the Norwich District. > Frederick appears in the 1881 Census with his Uncle & Aunt - Jasper & > Maria RUDLING ( nee BUTLER ). > Jasper & Maria were born in 1829 & 1834 respectively both in Wymondham. > As Frederick is listed as a Nephew he could be related to either Jasper or > Maria. > In the 1891 Census Frederick is with his Uncle - Jasper RUDLING. > > I have looked on Free BMD for either a MARKHAM / RUDLING or a MARKHAM / > BUTLER marriage without any luck. > > Any assistance in locating Frederick’s parents would be greatly > appreciated. > > King regards, > Judy, > Australia. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 3216 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

Hi I am writing to provide an update on the 1891 census project. One further piece has been uploaded to the on line database and is now searchable for free on the main freecen site at http://www.freecen.org.uk This is Piece RG12/1517 Sprowstonwhich covers the parishes of Beeston St Andrew, Cattob, Crostwick, Drayton, Frettenham, Hainford, Hellesdon, Horstead, Rackheath, Salhouse, Spixworth, Sprowston, Stanninghall, Wroxham. This means that there are now 255,972 (61.7%) 1891 Norfolk census records available to search free on line. Many thanks to Rosemarie Forrest and Bev without their help this information would not be available. If you would like to help with making more information available please contact me on bandys@worldonline.co.uk <mailto:bandys@worldonline.co.uk> Please see the main Freecen site or my website (see my signature for a link) for details of which pieces are on line. Hope this helps you in your research -- Bev Howlett FreeCen Co-Ordinator Norfolk 1861,1871,1891 Cambridge 1891 Surrey 1871,1891 Find Out How To Help http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/bevsnorfolkinfo/ http://www.freecen.org.uk

I am writing to provide an update on the 1861 census project. Two further pieces have been uploaded to the on line database and are now searchable for free on the main Freecen site at http://www.freecen.org.uk These are pieces: RG09/1053 Wisbech Upwell covering the parishes of Outwell CAM, Outwell NFK, Friday Bridge, Upwell CAM, Upwell NFK. Please note that for census purposes this is part of the Cambridgeshire Census returns RG09/1191 Yarmouth Southern covering part of the parish of Great Yarmouth This means that there are now 416,859 (98.7%) 1861 Norfolk census records available to search free on line. Many thanks to John Seakins, Marian Seakings, Scilla Bunn, Ian Giles and Julie Bennett, without their help this information would not be available. If you would like to help with making more information available please contact me on bandys@worldonline.co.uk <mailto:bandys@worldonline.co.uk>. Please remember that spelling was not standard in 1861 so you may need to be a little imaginative with some of your searches. We have to provide a transcript of what the enumerator wrote not what we think he meant. Please see the main Freecen site or my website (see my signature for a link) for details of which pieces are on line. Hope this helps you in your research. Bev -- Bev Howlett FreeCen Co-Ordinator Norfolk 1861,1871,1891 Cambridge 1891 Surrey 1871,1891 Find Out How To Help http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/bevsnorfolkinfo/ http://www.freecen.org.uk