Thank you! On 4 December 2011 12:31, xpn11 <xpn11@aol.com> wrote: > A Popular Guide to Norfolk Place Names on Amazon £4.95 > > Rosie > > On 04/12/2011 12:10, David Mills wrote: > > Well, the coast line has changed phenomenally over the years..... Wet > pool? > > Nice. > > > > BTW what is the title of the book on names? > > > > best > > David > > > > On 4 December 2011 08:52, xpn11<xpn11@aol.com> wrote: > > > >> The Walpole village name I had always assumed was of the same sort of > >> origin as Walton being by the oldest sea defences or sea walls although > >> I did read somewhere it meant wet pool ( which applied to pretty much > >> everywhere around there at some time or other) > >> Rosie > >> On 04/12/2011 00:34, David Mills wrote: > >>> Of course there is the possibility that some villages were named after > >>> people! > >>> > >>> Which came first? The Village or the name? > >>> > >>> D > >>> > >>> On 3 December 2011 16:59, xpn11<xpn11@aol.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hi, there are the Terringtons to start with on the same census > records > >>>> as the Walpoles and still living in the area. I was at school in the > >>>> Kings Lynn area with a Docking, a Walton, Walsinghams and Massinghams > ( > >>>> and Willinghams which is a bit further away in Cambridgeshire), knew > >>>> some Finchams . I have Guntons and Foulshams in my Swanton Morley > >>>> family and there were Marshams in the village, my Great Grandfather > was > >>>> a Woodrow ( possibly derived from Woodrow near Cawston ) and fostered > by > >>>> some Harpleys. I worked with a Bayfield and one of the family is > >>>> currently married to a Causton. I suppose few of these lived much > more > >>>> than 20 miles from the villages as the crow flies, if that. > >>>> But please no jokes about Norfolk as favoured by the current batch of > TV > >>>> comedians, I like to think that my ancestors had good strong legs for > >>>> finding a partner from a few villages away. ( even if Southery tests > >>>> this to breaking point) > >>>> An interesting thought is why some villages do not appear to have > >>>> originated names whilst others did-perhaps there were so few from some > >>>> villages that the name died out. I have seen a paper in a Norfolk > >>>> archaeology publication on Norfolk place names as surnames as found in > >>>> London in I think the 14th Century. > >>>> Rosie > >>>> > >>>> On 03/12/2011 15:49, elizabeth howard wrote: > >>>>> Hi , this is what is soooooo fascinating with all the > >>>> movement > >>>>> of people during the Industrial revolution and with transport links > >>>>> increasing and emigration always a hot topic , some families never > >> moved > >>>>> further than 10 miles from their original eponymous villages like > your > >> Mr > >>>>> Walpole of Walpole ......... how many others do listers know ? > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>> From: "xpn11"<xpn11@aol.com> > >>>>> To:<norfolk@rootsweb.com> > >>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 3:21 PM > >>>>> Subject: Re: [NFK] WALPOLES OF NORFOLK > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> Probably related a long way back, if at all, being one of those > names > >>>>>> which come from a place. Branches of the Houghton/ Earls of Orford > >>>>>> Walpoles also have Itteringham and Mannington Halls at present. > >>>>>> Don't forget the Horatio/Horace could just as easily be because > of > >>>>>> Nelson. > >>>>>> I have met Mr R. Walpole of R W Walpole soft fruit growers of > Walpole, > >>>>>> there seems to be quite a few families in the area who have the > name. > >>>>>> Rosie ( the other one) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 03/12/2011 14:06, elizabeth howard wrote: > >>>>>>> Hi, no worries , it is easily done as you say , > and > >> the > >>>>>>> enumerator is to blame but just in case we all went off on a search > >> for > >>>>>>> an > >>>>>>> earlier marriage for Robert, he would , if the age of the 16year > old > >>>>>>> been > >>>>>>> right , only 16 years old himself and even for the fens this is an > >>>>>>> unlikely > >>>>>>> early age for marriage !!! > >>>>>>> And I wonder if this 1828 Robert son of Mary is > the 12 > >>>> year > >>>>>>> old > >>>>>>> in the 1841 living at West Walton Smeeth . The 1841 Robert son of > >>>> Robert > >>>>>>> and Mary aged 4 seems much closer to the 1861 Robert aged 32 . > >>>>>>> Prime Minister Robert Walpole was born in 1676 at > >>>> Houghton > >>>>>>> Hall > >>>>>>> , and was the third of 17 children , 8 of whom died in infancy . > >>>>>>> Wikipedia > >>>>>>> has Robert as the only surviving son . PM Walpole married > Catherine > >>>>>>> Shorter in 1700 and had 2 daus and 4 sons the 2nd Earl Robert had > one > >>>> son > >>>>>>> and it would seem that that son died without issue because Horace > >>>>>>> PMWalpole`s 4th son became the 4th Earl of Orford . > >>>>>>> Whilst this is Wikipedia it seems that any > connection > >>>> would > >>>>>>> be > >>>>>>> either illegitmate or earlier than PM Walpole , ie his father > Robert > >>>> and > >>>>>>> back . > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>>> From: "Jean Greenwood"<jeangreenwood@virginmedia.com> > >>>>>>> To:<norfolk@rootsweb.com> > >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 1:30 PM > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NFK] WALPOLES OF NORFOLK > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> The births for the later children are on FreeBMD and are > >>>>>>>> Henry 1855 K Lynn > >>>>>>>> John 1857 Wisbeach > >>>>>>>> Robert 1860 Wisbeach > >>>>>>>> so Rosie correct in thinking enumerator's check misleading. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Incidentally Family Search has a baptism in Walpole St Peter for > >>>>>>>> Robert Walpole on 27 Jan 1828 mother Mary - no father given. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> HTH > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Jean > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On 3 December 2011 13:16, elizabeth howard<elizgh@btinternet.com> > >>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> And just seen Rosie`s email , I wondered > that , > >>>> but > >>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>> image > >>>>>>>>> seems to show that the black line alongside the ages of Henry , > >> John > >>>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>>> Robert show where the enumerator has ticked them off , checked > >> them > >>>> , > >>>>>>>>> rather than being a line indicating the age They seem different > >> pen > >>>>>>>>> strokes from the age . ???? > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>>>>> From: "Janice Doughty"<adoughty01@optusnet.com.au> > >>>>>>>>> To:<NORFOLK@rootsweb.com> > >>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 12:36 AM > >>>>>>>>> Subject: [NFK] WALPOLES OF NORFOLK > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Good morning Listers, > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I have joined the List hoping SKS can take me back further than > >> the > >>>>>>>>>> marriage of Robert WALPOLE to Mary Ann ???? circa 1850 to 1853 > >>>> (Robert > >>>>>>>>>> could have married either Mary Ann Parnell, Young or Holmes. I > >>>> would > >>>>>>>>> also > >>>>>>>>>> like to find which one is Mary Ann who married Robert WALPOLE. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Robert and Mary Ann's first child a daughter Frances, was > baptised > >>>> on > >>>>>>>>> 23rd > >>>>>>>>>> July 1853 in Saltbush, baptised by Rev. J G Girdlestone. It is > >>>> Robert > >>>>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>>>> Mary Ann's son John, born circa 1858, whose line I a > researching. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I am helping my niece by marriage to trace her WALPOLE family. > >> Her > >>>>>>>>>> grandmother was Hazel Mirabel WALPOLE born 8th February 1914 in > >>>> Roma, > >>>>>>>>>> Queensland, Aus. Hazel's father was John Thomas WARPOLE, who > >>>> arrived > >>>>>>>>>> in > >>>>>>>>>> Brisbane, Qld 13th February 1900 aged 19 per "Duke of Portand". > >> He > >>>>>>>>>> married on 28th November 1907, Eva Victoria Beatrice Miscamble > in > >>>>>>>>>> Roma, > >>>>>>>>>> Qld. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> John Thomas WALPOLE was the son of John WALPOLE and Mary Ann > GALL. > >>>>>>>>>> They > >>>>>>>>>> were married in the June Quarter of 1877. John Thomas WALPOLE > was > >>>>>>>>>> born > >>>>>>>>> in > >>>>>>>>>> the Sept Quarter of 1880, his birth was registered in Wisbeach. > >> His > >>>>>>>>>> mother Mary Ann died at the age of 33 in the June Quarter of > 1891 > >>>> and > >>>>>>>>>> his > >>>>>>>>>> father John married his second wife Lilian Lemon in the March > >>>> Quarter > >>>>>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>>>> 1892 in Wisbech. John Thomas WALPOLE died in 1951 and is buried > in > >>>> the > >>>>>>>>>> Roma General Cemetery in Qld. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Some of John Thomas WALPOLE's brothers may have also immigrated > to > >>>>>>>>>> Australia. One name which appears in the Queensland BMD > historical > >>>>>>>>> records > >>>>>>>>>> is Horace WALPOLE and one of John Thomas' younger brothers was > >>>> Arthur > >>>>>>>>>> Horace WALPOLE. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> The family story is that they can trace their line back to Sir > >>>> Robert > >>>>>>>>>> WALPOLE, the Prime Minister of Great Britain. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I am hoping a Lister may have details of John Thomas WALPOLE'S > >>>>>>>>> grandfather > >>>>>>>>>> Robert WALPOLE'S parents. Robert was born circa 1829 in > Walpole, > >>>>>>>>> Norfolk. > >>>>>>>>>> Robert's son John names one of his sons Horace and one of Sir > >>>> Robert > >>>>>>>>>> WALPOLE'S sons was named Horace, so one would assume that the > name > >>>> is > >>>>>>>>>> being carried through by the family. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> My husband's DOUGHTYS also hail from Norfolk, in Ryburg, > >> Towngreen, > >>>>>>>>>> Wymondham and Terrington St. Clements. Thank you. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Cheers > >>>>>>>>>> Janice > >>>>>>>>>> Belrose - Sydney > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------- > >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>>>>>>>> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > >>>> the > >>>>>>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------- > >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>>>>>>> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> the > >>>>>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> ------------------------------- > >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>>>>>> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> the > >>>>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> ------------------------------- > >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>>>>> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >>>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>>>>> ------------------------------- > >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>>>> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>>>>> > >>>>> ------------------------------- > >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>>> > >>>> ------------------------------- > >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>>> > >>> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Please note that this e-mail and any files transmitted with it may be privileged, confidential, and protected from disclosure under applicable law. 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Good afternoon Andrew, My husband's Doughty family has been traced back to a James Doughty and an Ann Stailer both of the parish of Terrington St Clement, who were married in the parish church by Banns on 23rd Nov 1785. Their son Robert Doughty married Alice Gathercole on 14 May 1807 by the Rev. Ambrose Goode at the parish church. Witnesses were Hannah and William Reader. Children born to the couple were John Doughty 1808(died ???), Robert Doughty 1811 died before 1819, Hannah Doughty 1813 died 1813, Hannah Doughty 1814, Mary Doughty 1817, Robert Nicholas Doughty 1819. Robert Nicholas Doughty is my husband's line. Robert Nicholas was baptised at Walpole St Peter in Norfolk by Rev. John Nelson on 19th December 1819. Robert Nicholas Doughty was married first to "...unknown..." and she died before 1846. In 1846 Widower Robert Nicholas Doughty married Elizabeth Burcham at the Abbey Church of St Mary and St Thomas of Canterbury at Wymondham. Elizabeth was born 1829 in Wymondham. Elizabeth was the daughter of John Burcham (born circa 1793 - Wymondham - Innkeeper) and Elizabeth Burcham (born circa 1800 - Bracon Ash-NFK). John Burcham was an Innkeeper of "The Dove Inn" Town Green also at another time the "The Two Brewers" and also a Butcher in Damgate Street. There were five other children born to John and Elizabeth Burcham, we know of, John, George, Ann, Frederick and Sophia. Robert Nicholas Doughty's older brother John Doughty married Jemima Chilvers on 25th December 1827 at the parish church, Terrington St Clement by Vicar, Ambrose Goode and they had ten children, their youngest was Hannah baptised 24th August at the Parish Church, Terrington St Clements. Hannah is significant to the family story and her name will again come up later. Back to Robert Nicholas and Elizabeth Doughty (nee Burcham). Robert was a Surveyor on the construction of the Sewer line being laid through England, so their ten children were born as the job moved further south. They were born in Ruburgh and Towngreen, Wymondham in Norfolk, Tottenham in Middlesex, Plumstead in Kent, Farlington, Purbrook and Portsea in Hampshire. The family settled in Portsea, where Elizabeth used her skills she learnt in helping out her father in his pubs and the family ran "The George Public House" at 84 Queen Street, Portsea. Five of Robert and Elizabeth's sons left England and immigrated to Australia, between 1876 and 1888. The family story, was the boys became fascinated by the seafarers stories while they were drinking at their parent's Pub. Especially the stories about Down Under and how a family could do very well down there. Also, reading how well their cousin John Doughty and his family were doing from the letters they received from him. John Doughty had immigrated with his wife Rebecca (nee Griffin), her sister Sarah and her husband James Barnes to Australia per "Trafalgar" back in 1853. The first of the Doughty brothers to sail away from English shores, was Robert and Elizabeth's second eldest Robert John Doughty. Robert had married in Portsea in 1876 his first cousin Hannah Doughty, the youngest daughter of his father's brother John. It was a bit of a scandal in the family, not only were they first cousins, Hannah was 6 years older that Robert and she was pregnant at the time of their marriage. It is believe the family thought it would be a good idea for them to join Hannah's older brother John and his family Down Under. John was 14 years older than his sister Hannah. John and Rebecca were living in the Southern Tablelands village of Tumbarumba in New South Wales, raising their large family on their property called "Terrington". So Robert and Hannah left behind their families and sailed on the "Clyde" arriving in Adelaide in South Australia in 1876. Robert and Hannah disembarked on 6th Jan 1877 in Port Adelaide, where they stayed with Burcham cousins until the birth of their son Robert. They then made their way to the town of Albury, which is on the border of the states of New South Wales and Victoria. There they took over the running of the Terminus Hotel, Robert using his knowledge gained from working as his parent's Pub in Portsea. They remained in Albury raising their growing family Robert, Alice, John, George and Roger. They were so long in the town the corner where the Pub stood, became known as Doughtys Corner. Their youngest son, Roger, is my husband Alan's grandfather. Robert John Doughty made a fortune in Albury, from business at the Pub and also backing miners going to the Goldfields. However, as quickly as he made his fortune he also lost everything, leaving him a Widower and a broken man. He did not even have enough money to have a Headstone erected on his wife's grave. Cheers Janice ----- Original Message ----- From: "andrew stevenson" <steamman20002000@yahoo.co.uk> To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [NFK] WALPOLES OF NORFOLK > Hi, > >>From Kings Lynn Norfolk > > Great Ryburgh??? its not far from Stibbard were my line of DOUGHTY had > been . any dates? > > Regards Andrew > > ________________________________ > From: Janice Doughty <adoughty01@optusnet.com.au> > To: NORFOLK@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, 3 December 2011, 0:36 > Subject: [NFK] WALPOLES OF NORFOLK > > Good morning Listers, > > I have joined the List hoping SKS can take me back further than the > marriage of Robert WALPOLE to Mary Ann ???? circa 1850 to 1853 (Robert > could have married either Mary Ann Parnell, Young or Holmes. I would also > like to find which one is Mary Ann who married Robert WALPOLE. > >

Well, the coast line has changed phenomenally over the years..... Wet pool? Nice. BTW what is the title of the book on names? best David On 4 December 2011 08:52, xpn11 <xpn11@aol.com> wrote: > The Walpole village name I had always assumed was of the same sort of > origin as Walton being by the oldest sea defences or sea walls although > I did read somewhere it meant wet pool ( which applied to pretty much > everywhere around there at some time or other) > Rosie > On 04/12/2011 00:34, David Mills wrote: > > Of course there is the possibility that some villages were named after > > people! > > > > Which came first? The Village or the name? > > > > D > > > > On 3 December 2011 16:59, xpn11<xpn11@aol.com> wrote: > > > >> Hi, there are the Terringtons to start with on the same census records > >> as the Walpoles and still living in the area. I was at school in the > >> Kings Lynn area with a Docking, a Walton, Walsinghams and Massinghams ( > >> and Willinghams which is a bit further away in Cambridgeshire), knew > >> some Finchams . I have Guntons and Foulshams in my Swanton Morley > >> family and there were Marshams in the village, my Great Grandfather was > >> a Woodrow ( possibly derived from Woodrow near Cawston ) and fostered by > >> some Harpleys. I worked with a Bayfield and one of the family is > >> currently married to a Causton. I suppose few of these lived much more > >> than 20 miles from the villages as the crow flies, if that. > >> But please no jokes about Norfolk as favoured by the current batch of TV > >> comedians, I like to think that my ancestors had good strong legs for > >> finding a partner from a few villages away. ( even if Southery tests > >> this to breaking point) > >> An interesting thought is why some villages do not appear to have > >> originated names whilst others did-perhaps there were so few from some > >> villages that the name died out. I have seen a paper in a Norfolk > >> archaeology publication on Norfolk place names as surnames as found in > >> London in I think the 14th Century. > >> Rosie > >> > >> On 03/12/2011 15:49, elizabeth howard wrote: > >>> Hi , this is what is soooooo fascinating with all the > >> movement > >>> of people during the Industrial revolution and with transport links > >>> increasing and emigration always a hot topic , some families never > moved > >>> further than 10 miles from their original eponymous villages like your > Mr > >>> Walpole of Walpole ......... how many others do listers know ? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "xpn11"<xpn11@aol.com> > >>> To:<norfolk@rootsweb.com> > >>> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 3:21 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [NFK] WALPOLES OF NORFOLK > >>> > >>> > >>>> Probably related a long way back, if at all, being one of those names > >>>> which come from a place. Branches of the Houghton/ Earls of Orford > >>>> Walpoles also have Itteringham and Mannington Halls at present. > >>>> Don't forget the Horatio/Horace could just as easily be because of > >>>> Nelson. > >>>> I have met Mr R. Walpole of R W Walpole soft fruit growers of Walpole, > >>>> there seems to be quite a few families in the area who have the name. > >>>> Rosie ( the other one) > >>>> > >>>> On 03/12/2011 14:06, elizabeth howard wrote: > >>>>> Hi, no worries , it is easily done as you say , and > the > >>>>> enumerator is to blame but just in case we all went off on a search > for > >>>>> an > >>>>> earlier marriage for Robert, he would , if the age of the 16year old > >>>>> been > >>>>> right , only 16 years old himself and even for the fens this is an > >>>>> unlikely > >>>>> early age for marriage !!! > >>>>> And I wonder if this 1828 Robert son of Mary is the 12 > >> year > >>>>> old > >>>>> in the 1841 living at West Walton Smeeth . The 1841 Robert son of > >> Robert > >>>>> and Mary aged 4 seems much closer to the 1861 Robert aged 32 . > >>>>> Prime Minister Robert Walpole was born in 1676 at > >> Houghton > >>>>> Hall > >>>>> , and was the third of 17 children , 8 of whom died in infancy . > >>>>> Wikipedia > >>>>> has Robert as the only surviving son . PM Walpole married Catherine > >>>>> Shorter in 1700 and had 2 daus and 4 sons the 2nd Earl Robert had one > >> son > >>>>> and it would seem that that son died without issue because Horace > >>>>> PMWalpole`s 4th son became the 4th Earl of Orford . > >>>>> Whilst this is Wikipedia it seems that any connection > >> would > >>>>> be > >>>>> either illegitmate or earlier than PM Walpole , ie his father Robert > >> and > >>>>> back . > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>> From: "Jean Greenwood"<jeangreenwood@virginmedia.com> > >>>>> To:<norfolk@rootsweb.com> > >>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 1:30 PM > >>>>> Subject: Re: [NFK] WALPOLES OF NORFOLK > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> The births for the later children are on FreeBMD and are > >>>>>> Henry 1855 K Lynn > >>>>>> John 1857 Wisbeach > >>>>>> Robert 1860 Wisbeach > >>>>>> so Rosie correct in thinking enumerator's check misleading. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Incidentally Family Search has a baptism in Walpole St Peter for > >>>>>> Robert Walpole on 27 Jan 1828 mother Mary - no father given. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> HTH > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Jean > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 3 December 2011 13:16, elizabeth howard<elizgh@btinternet.com> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> And just seen Rosie`s email , I wondered that , > >> but > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>> image > >>>>>>> seems to show that the black line alongside the ages of Henry , > John > >>>>>>> and > >>>>>>> Robert show where the enumerator has ticked them off , checked > them > >> , > >>>>>>> rather than being a line indicating the age They seem different > pen > >>>>>>> strokes from the age . ???? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>>> From: "Janice Doughty"<adoughty01@optusnet.com.au> > >>>>>>> To:<NORFOLK@rootsweb.com> > >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 12:36 AM > >>>>>>> Subject: [NFK] WALPOLES OF NORFOLK > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Good morning Listers, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I have joined the List hoping SKS can take me back further than > the > >>>>>>>> marriage of Robert WALPOLE to Mary Ann ???? circa 1850 to 1853 > >> (Robert > >>>>>>>> could have married either Mary Ann Parnell, Young or Holmes. I > >> would > >>>>>>> also > >>>>>>>> like to find which one is Mary Ann who married Robert WALPOLE. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Robert and Mary Ann's first child a daughter Frances, was baptised > >> on > >>>>>>> 23rd > >>>>>>>> July 1853 in Saltbush, baptised by Rev. J G Girdlestone. It is > >> Robert > >>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>> Mary Ann's son John, born circa 1858, whose line I a researching. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I am helping my niece by marriage to trace her WALPOLE family. > Her > >>>>>>>> grandmother was Hazel Mirabel WALPOLE born 8th February 1914 in > >> Roma, > >>>>>>>> Queensland, Aus. Hazel's father was John Thomas WARPOLE, who > >> arrived > >>>>>>>> in > >>>>>>>> Brisbane, Qld 13th February 1900 aged 19 per "Duke of Portand". > He > >>>>>>>> married on 28th November 1907, Eva Victoria Beatrice Miscamble in > >>>>>>>> Roma, > >>>>>>>> Qld. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> John Thomas WALPOLE was the son of John WALPOLE and Mary Ann GALL. > >>>>>>>> They > >>>>>>>> were married in the June Quarter of 1877. John Thomas WALPOLE was > >>>>>>>> born > >>>>>>> in > >>>>>>>> the Sept Quarter of 1880, his birth was registered in Wisbeach. > His > >>>>>>>> mother Mary Ann died at the age of 33 in the June Quarter of 1891 > >> and > >>>>>>>> his > >>>>>>>> father John married his second wife Lilian Lemon in the March > >> Quarter > >>>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>> 1892 in Wisbech. John Thomas WALPOLE died in 1951 and is buried in > >> the > >>>>>>>> Roma General Cemetery in Qld. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Some of John Thomas WALPOLE's brothers may have also immigrated to > >>>>>>>> Australia. One name which appears in the Queensland BMD historical > >>>>>>> records > >>>>>>>> is Horace WALPOLE and one of John Thomas' younger brothers was > >> Arthur > >>>>>>>> Horace WALPOLE. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> The family story is that they can trace their line back to Sir > >> Robert > >>>>>>>> WALPOLE, the Prime Minister of Great Britain. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I am hoping a Lister may have details of John Thomas WALPOLE'S > >>>>>>> grandfather > >>>>>>>> Robert WALPOLE'S parents. Robert was born circa 1829 in Walpole, > >>>>>>> Norfolk. > >>>>>>>> Robert's son John names one of his sons Horace and one of Sir > >> Robert > >>>>>>>> WALPOLE'S sons was named Horace, so one would assume that the name > >> is > >>>>>>>> being carried through by the family. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> My husband's DOUGHTYS also hail from Norfolk, in Ryburg, > Towngreen, > >>>>>>>> Wymondham and Terrington St. Clements. Thank you. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Cheers > >>>>>>>> Janice > >>>>>>>> Belrose - Sydney > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> ------------------------------- > >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>>>>>> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> the > >>>>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> ------------------------------- > >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>>>>> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >>>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> ------------------------------- > >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>>>> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>>>>> > >>>>> ------------------------------- > >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>>> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>>> ------------------------------- > >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Please note that this e-mail and any files transmitted with it may be privileged, confidential, and protected from disclosure under applicable law. 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Not strictly Norfolk. In Northamptonshire is the village of Bugbrooke. It was an estate given to de Bugbrooke (or Norman French phonetic) thus naming the place. So the inhabitants became 'Someone of Bugbrooke' later taking it as a surname. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "xpn11" <xpn11@aol.com> To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [NFK] WALPOLES OF NORFOLK > Many of the -ings and -hams were named after people I think, usually > Anglo Saxons or Danes, same as places like Catfield which was Cettis field > or something like that, but the surnames for the plebs amongst us are > meant to be later, sort of 11th century because of the disruptions of 1066 > and all that. A chap my husband I were friends with in our school days, > James Rye, wrote a nice book on Norfolk place names, must put it on my > Xmas list > Rosie > > On 04/12/2011 00:34, David Mills wrote: >> Of course there is the possibility that some villages were named after >> people! >> >> Which came first? The Village or the name? >> >> D >> >> On 3 December 2011 16:59, xpn11<xpn11@aol.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi, there are the Terringtons to start with on the same census records >>> as the Walpoles and still living in the area. I was at school in the >>> Kings Lynn area with a Docking, a Walton, Walsinghams and Massinghams ( >>> and Willinghams which is a bit further away in Cambridgeshire), knew >>> some Finchams . I have Guntons and Foulshams in my Swanton Morley >>> family and there were Marshams in the village, my Great Grandfather was >>> a Woodrow ( possibly derived from Woodrow near Cawston ) and fostered by >>> some Harpleys. I worked with a Bayfield and one of the family is >>> currently married to a Causton. I suppose few of these lived much more >>> than 20 miles from the villages as the crow flies, if that. >>> But please no jokes about Norfolk as favoured by the current batch of TV >>> comedians, I like to think that my ancestors had good strong legs for >>> finding a partner from a few villages away. ( even if Southery tests >>> this to breaking point) >>> An interesting thought is why some villages do not appear to have >>> originated names whilst others did-perhaps there were so few from some >>> villages that the name died out. I have seen a paper in a Norfolk >>> archaeology publication on Norfolk place names as surnames as found in >>> London in I think the 14th Century. >>> Rosie >>> >>> On 03/12/2011 15:49, elizabeth howard wrote: >>>> Hi , this is what is soooooo fascinating with all the >>> movement >>>> of people during the Industrial revolution and with transport links >>>> increasing and emigration always a hot topic , some families never >>>> moved >>>> further than 10 miles from their original eponymous villages like your >>>> Mr >>>> Walpole of Walpole ......... how many others do listers know ? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "xpn11"<xpn11@aol.com> >>>> To:<norfolk@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 3:21 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [NFK] WALPOLES OF NORFOLK >>>> >>>> >>>>> Probably related a long way back, if at all, being one of those names >>>>> which come from a place. Branches of the Houghton/ Earls of Orford >>>>> Walpoles also have Itteringham and Mannington Halls at present. >>>>> Don't forget the Horatio/Horace could just as easily be because of >>>>> Nelson. >>>>> I have met Mr R. Walpole of R W Walpole soft fruit growers of Walpole, >>>>> there seems to be quite a few families in the area who have the name. >>>>> Rosie ( the other one) >>>>> >>>>> On 03/12/2011 14:06, elizabeth howard wrote: >>>>>> Hi, no worries , it is easily done as you say , and >>>>>> the >>>>>> enumerator is to blame but just in case we all went off on a search >>>>>> for >>>>>> an >>>>>> earlier marriage for Robert, he would , if the age of the 16year old >>>>>> been >>>>>> right , only 16 years old himself and even for the fens this is an >>>>>> unlikely >>>>>> early age for marriage !!! >>>>>> And I wonder if this 1828 Robert son of Mary is the 12 >>> year >>>>>> old >>>>>> in the 1841 living at West Walton Smeeth . The 1841 Robert son of >>> Robert >>>>>> and Mary aged 4 seems much closer to the 1861 Robert aged 32 . >>>>>> Prime Minister Robert Walpole was born in 1676 at >>> Houghton >>>>>> Hall >>>>>> , and was the third of 17 children , 8 of whom died in infancy . >>>>>> Wikipedia >>>>>> has Robert as the only surviving son . PM Walpole married Catherine >>>>>> Shorter in 1700 and had 2 daus and 4 sons the 2nd Earl Robert had one >>> son >>>>>> and it would seem that that son died without issue because Horace >>>>>> PMWalpole`s 4th son became the 4th Earl of Orford . >>>>>> Whilst this is Wikipedia it seems that any connection >>> would >>>>>> be >>>>>> either illegitmate or earlier than PM Walpole , ie his father Robert >>> and >>>>>> back . >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Jean Greenwood"<jeangreenwood@virginmedia.com> >>>>>> To:<norfolk@rootsweb.com> >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 1:30 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [NFK] WALPOLES OF NORFOLK >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> The births for the later children are on FreeBMD and are >>>>>>> Henry 1855 K Lynn >>>>>>> John 1857 Wisbeach >>>>>>> Robert 1860 Wisbeach >>>>>>> so Rosie correct in thinking enumerator's check misleading. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Incidentally Family Search has a baptism in Walpole St Peter for >>>>>>> Robert Walpole on 27 Jan 1828 mother Mary - no father given. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> HTH >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jean >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 3 December 2011 13:16, elizabeth howard<elizgh@btinternet.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And just seen Rosie`s email , I wondered that , >>> but >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> image >>>>>>>> seems to show that the black line alongside the ages of Henry , >>>>>>>> John >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> Robert show where the enumerator has ticked them off , checked >>>>>>>> them >>> , >>>>>>>> rather than being a line indicating the age They seem different >>>>>>>> pen >>>>>>>> strokes from the age . ???? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: "Janice Doughty"<adoughty01@optusnet.com.au> >>>>>>>> To:<NORFOLK@rootsweb.com> >>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 12:36 AM >>>>>>>> Subject: [NFK] WALPOLES OF NORFOLK >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Good morning Listers, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have joined the List hoping SKS can take me back further than >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> marriage of Robert WALPOLE to Mary Ann ???? circa 1850 to 1853 >>> (Robert >>>>>>>>> could have married either Mary Ann Parnell, Young or Holmes. I >>> would >>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>> like to find which one is Mary Ann who married Robert WALPOLE. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Robert and Mary Ann's first child a daughter Frances, was baptised >>> on >>>>>>>> 23rd >>>>>>>>> July 1853 in Saltbush, baptised by Rev. J G Girdlestone. It is >>> Robert >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> Mary Ann's son John, born circa 1858, whose line I a researching. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am helping my niece by marriage to trace her WALPOLE family. >>>>>>>>> Her >>>>>>>>> grandmother was Hazel Mirabel WALPOLE born 8th February 1914 in >>> Roma, >>>>>>>>> Queensland, Aus. Hazel's father was John Thomas WARPOLE, who >>> arrived >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> Brisbane, Qld 13th February 1900 aged 19 per "Duke of Portand". >>>>>>>>> He >>>>>>>>> married on 28th November 1907, Eva Victoria Beatrice Miscamble in >>>>>>>>> Roma, >>>>>>>>> Qld. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> John Thomas WALPOLE was the son of John WALPOLE and Mary Ann GALL. >>>>>>>>> They >>>>>>>>> were married in the June Quarter of 1877. John Thomas WALPOLE was >>>>>>>>> born >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> the Sept Quarter of 1880, his birth was registered in Wisbeach. >>>>>>>>> His >>>>>>>>> mother Mary Ann died at the age of 33 in the June Quarter of 1891 >>> and >>>>>>>>> his >>>>>>>>> father John married his second wife Lilian Lemon in the March >>> Quarter >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> 1892 in Wisbech. John Thomas WALPOLE died in 1951 and is buried in >>> the >>>>>>>>> Roma General Cemetery in Qld. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Some of John Thomas WALPOLE's brothers may have also immigrated to >>>>>>>>> Australia. One name which appears in the Queensland BMD historical >>>>>>>> records >>>>>>>>> is Horace WALPOLE and one of John Thomas' younger brothers was >>> Arthur >>>>>>>>> Horace WALPOLE. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The family story is that they can trace their line back to Sir >>> Robert >>>>>>>>> WALPOLE, the Prime Minister of Great Britain. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am hoping a Lister may have details of John Thomas WALPOLE'S >>>>>>>> grandfather >>>>>>>>> Robert WALPOLE'S parents. Robert was born circa 1829 in Walpole, >>>>>>>> Norfolk. >>>>>>>>> Robert's son John names one of his sons Horace and one of Sir >>> Robert >>>>>>>>> WALPOLE'S sons was named Horace, so one would assume that the name >>> is >>>>>>>>> being carried through by the family. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My husband's DOUGHTYS also hail from Norfolk, in Ryburg, >>>>>>>>> Towngreen, >>>>>>>>> Wymondham and Terrington St. Clements. Thank you. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>>>> Janice >>>>>>>>> Belrose - Sydney >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>>>> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the >>>>>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>>> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> > >

    Hi Janice   I think you said you were new to the group? In case you weren't aware of them - the Familysearch Beta site now has a lot of the actual Norfolk parish registers online that you can search page by page this could be really helpful looking for your Walpole family.   Good luck - Rosie (Frost!)

If anyone is interested in the extra-marital affairs of the 4th Earl of Orford, Horatio William Walpole, the following website has the details:- http://www.norfolkmills.co.uk/Watermills/itteringham.html It's interesting that an innkeeper/miller is descended, through the marriages of the Walpole family, to the aristocracy and royalty of Britain. Margaret

Hello Norfolk Listers, Could someone please do a look up for me for Henry Ward-and his wife Alice living perhaps at Wisbech about 1880. They had 4 children-Ernest (b.1881), Herbert (b.1883), Alice (b. 1884) and Florence (b. 1885) I have no proof myself that these birth dates of the children are accurate. This is the best information I have seen for years in trying to locate Henry WARD, b. 1856 to Rebecca Bunting and William Neep who I do not believe were ever married. Rebecca married George WARD in 1861. They resided at Roman Bank, Terrington St Clement for at least the 1871 census. Would welcome any help with this. I have just visited Norfolk but did not have any details of Henry's life after 1871. Regards Di -- Dianne Feldtmann Dookie, Australia Researching WARD, BUNTING -Norfolk FORD, ALLMAN -Cheshire WARD, Lincolnshire JAMES, Bristol WYNN(E), Staffordshire

Good morning Listers, I thought Listers may be interested in these names, as I just had another look at the state of Queensland's BMD website. It would appear that most of these family would trace their beginnings back to Norfolk. These are marriages around the time John Thomas WALPOLE married Eva in 1907 in Queensland. The names for the WALPOLES do appear to have connections back to Engand, the number of Christians names some of them have are unbelievable, a real mouth full. Marriages:- 1899/C1019 Walpole, Horace Henry to O'Neill, Kathleen Aloysia Zavour 1903/B2743 Burke, Michael Dennis to Walpole, Christina 1907/C2115 Walpole, John Thomas to Miscamble, Eva Victoria Beatrice (our JOHN) 1908/C2591 Walpole, William John to Kretschmann, Mary Anna Bertha 1912/C3212 Graham, Mary Elizabeth to Walpole, Robert Gloucester 1913/C808 Owen, Annie to Walpole, Horace Edward Waldegrave Have a look at father's name on the birth of his son in 1903, sounds like he was born to be Lord of the Manor:- Year Name of Child Father's Name Mother's Name 1903/C4672 Herbert Orford Walpole Robert Somerset George Reginald Mary Annie Beaver Robert Somerset George Reginald Walpole, what a mouth full and then there is this one:- Year Name of Child Father's Name Mother's Name 1914/C3379 Nancy Letitia Walpole Horace Edward Waldegrave Annie Owen I have not yet searched to see if any of the above immigrated to Oz as yet and if they are related to John Thomas WALPOLE. The immigrants arrived via Port Phillip Bay in Melbourne, Port Jackson Sydney and Moreton Bay in Brisbane. It would be interesting to follow it up to see how many did immigrate around the same time as John, or in some cases a lot earlier. I have now had a peek into the NSW BDM Website, and the Walpoles were in New South Wales from around 1825 and there are Horatios, Horaces, Roberts. The WALPOLE who arrived in 1825, came below deck in chains per "Asia 4". He was George Walpole born circa 1797. He was sentenced to 14 years transportation. George received a Conditional Pardon and was working for the Colonial Secretary Department in Sydney Town at the time of the 1828 Census. He married an Ann Mantle in Sydney in 1826. She arrived as a 23 year old, free in 1826 per "Thames". I wonder if she was his girl friend/fiancé who joined him Down Under? I found George's trial, he was tried in Ireland, he was a police constable . A very interesting case you can read it on this website:- http://www.users.on.net/~lamingtonchild/kingsmill/ Cheers Janice Belrose - Sydney

Eliazabeth Just a comment. Toft Monks although fairly close to Beccles, is one of the Parishes which has (had) a detached portion on the island formed by the rivers Waveney and Yare with the New Cut between Haddiscoe and Reedham so he may have stayed closer to home than you might think. Dave On 12/4/2011 8:25 AM, elizabeth howard wrote: > In the 1891 census they are living in > Toft Monks, Hery Ward, m , 38, horseman , crossed out , agricultural > labourer, b Acle , Alice A , wife , 37 b Filby , Ethel E A Ward, 8, b > Yarmouth , Herbert E , son , 7, b Yarmouth , Florence A , dau , 6, b > Yarmouth . > > > > l

The Walpole village name I had always assumed was of the same sort of origin as Walton being by the oldest sea defences or sea walls although I did read somewhere it meant wet pool ( which applied to pretty much everywhere around there at some time or other) Rosie On 04/12/2011 00:34, David Mills wrote: > Of course there is the possibility that some villages were named after > people! > > Which came first? The Village or the name? > > D > > On 3 December 2011 16:59, xpn11<xpn11@aol.com> wrote: > >> Hi, there are the Terringtons to start with on the same census records >> as the Walpoles and still living in the area. I was at school in the >> Kings Lynn area with a Docking, a Walton, Walsinghams and Massinghams ( >> and Willinghams which is a bit further away in Cambridgeshire), knew >> some Finchams . I have Guntons and Foulshams in my Swanton Morley >> family and there were Marshams in the village, my Great Grandfather was >> a Woodrow ( possibly derived from Woodrow near Cawston ) and fostered by >> some Harpleys. I worked with a Bayfield and one of the family is >> currently married to a Causton. I suppose few of these lived much more >> than 20 miles from the villages as the crow flies, if that. >> But please no jokes about Norfolk as favoured by the current batch of TV >> comedians, I like to think that my ancestors had good strong legs for >> finding a partner from a few villages away. ( even if Southery tests >> this to breaking point) >> An interesting thought is why some villages do not appear to have >> originated names whilst others did-perhaps there were so few from some >> villages that the name died out. I have seen a paper in a Norfolk >> archaeology publication on Norfolk place names as surnames as found in >> London in I think the 14th Century. >> Rosie >> >> On 03/12/2011 15:49, elizabeth howard wrote: >>> Hi , this is what is soooooo fascinating with all the >> movement >>> of people during the Industrial revolution and with transport links >>> increasing and emigration always a hot topic , some families never moved >>> further than 10 miles from their original eponymous villages like your Mr >>> Walpole of Walpole ......... how many others do listers know ? >>> >>> >>> >>> life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "xpn11"<xpn11@aol.com> >>> To:<norfolk@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 3:21 PM >>> Subject: Re: [NFK] WALPOLES OF NORFOLK >>> >>> >>>> Probably related a long way back, if at all, being one of those names >>>> which come from a place. Branches of the Houghton/ Earls of Orford >>>> Walpoles also have Itteringham and Mannington Halls at present. >>>> Don't forget the Horatio/Horace could just as easily be because of >>>> Nelson. >>>> I have met Mr R. Walpole of R W Walpole soft fruit growers of Walpole, >>>> there seems to be quite a few families in the area who have the name. >>>> Rosie ( the other one) >>>> >>>> On 03/12/2011 14:06, elizabeth howard wrote: >>>>> Hi, no worries , it is easily done as you say , and the >>>>> enumerator is to blame but just in case we all went off on a search for >>>>> an >>>>> earlier marriage for Robert, he would , if the age of the 16year old >>>>> been >>>>> right , only 16 years old himself and even for the fens this is an >>>>> unlikely >>>>> early age for marriage !!! >>>>> And I wonder if this 1828 Robert son of Mary is the 12 >> year >>>>> old >>>>> in the 1841 living at West Walton Smeeth . The 1841 Robert son of >> Robert >>>>> and Mary aged 4 seems much closer to the 1861 Robert aged 32 . >>>>> Prime Minister Robert Walpole was born in 1676 at >> Houghton >>>>> Hall >>>>> , and was the third of 17 children , 8 of whom died in infancy . >>>>> Wikipedia >>>>> has Robert as the only surviving son . PM Walpole married Catherine >>>>> Shorter in 1700 and had 2 daus and 4 sons the 2nd Earl Robert had one >> son >>>>> and it would seem that that son died without issue because Horace >>>>> PMWalpole`s 4th son became the 4th Earl of Orford . >>>>> Whilst this is Wikipedia it seems that any connection >> would >>>>> be >>>>> either illegitmate or earlier than PM Walpole , ie his father Robert >> and >>>>> back . >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Jean Greenwood"<jeangreenwood@virginmedia.com> >>>>> To:<norfolk@rootsweb.com> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 1:30 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [NFK] WALPOLES OF NORFOLK >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> The births for the later children are on FreeBMD and are >>>>>> Henry 1855 K Lynn >>>>>> John 1857 Wisbeach >>>>>> Robert 1860 Wisbeach >>>>>> so Rosie correct in thinking enumerator's check misleading. >>>>>> >>>>>> Incidentally Family Search has a baptism in Walpole St Peter for >>>>>> Robert Walpole on 27 Jan 1828 mother Mary - no father given. >>>>>> >>>>>> HTH >>>>>> >>>>>> Jean >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 3 December 2011 13:16, elizabeth howard<elizgh@btinternet.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> And just seen Rosie`s email , I wondered that , >> but >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> image >>>>>>> seems to show that the black line alongside the ages of Henry , John >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> Robert show where the enumerator has ticked them off , checked them >> , >>>>>>> rather than being a line indicating the age They seem different pen >>>>>>> strokes from the age . ???? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Janice Doughty"<adoughty01@optusnet.com.au> >>>>>>> To:<NORFOLK@rootsweb.com> >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 12:36 AM >>>>>>> Subject: [NFK] WALPOLES OF NORFOLK >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Good morning Listers, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have joined the List hoping SKS can take me back further than the >>>>>>>> marriage of Robert WALPOLE to Mary Ann ???? circa 1850 to 1853 >> (Robert >>>>>>>> could have married either Mary Ann Parnell, Young or Holmes. I >> would >>>>>>> also >>>>>>>> like to find which one is Mary Ann who married Robert WALPOLE. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Robert and Mary Ann's first child a daughter Frances, was baptised >> on >>>>>>> 23rd >>>>>>>> July 1853 in Saltbush, baptised by Rev. J G Girdlestone. It is >> Robert >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> Mary Ann's son John, born circa 1858, whose line I a researching. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am helping my niece by marriage to trace her WALPOLE family. Her >>>>>>>> grandmother was Hazel Mirabel WALPOLE born 8th February 1914 in >> Roma, >>>>>>>> Queensland, Aus. Hazel's father was John Thomas WARPOLE, who >> arrived >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> Brisbane, Qld 13th February 1900 aged 19 per "Duke of Portand". He >>>>>>>> married on 28th November 1907, Eva Victoria Beatrice Miscamble in >>>>>>>> Roma, >>>>>>>> Qld. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> John Thomas WALPOLE was the son of John WALPOLE and Mary Ann GALL. >>>>>>>> They >>>>>>>> were married in the June Quarter of 1877. John Thomas WALPOLE was >>>>>>>> born >>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> the Sept Quarter of 1880, his birth was registered in Wisbeach. His >>>>>>>> mother Mary Ann died at the age of 33 in the June Quarter of 1891 >> and >>>>>>>> his >>>>>>>> father John married his second wife Lilian Lemon in the March >> Quarter >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> 1892 in Wisbech. John Thomas WALPOLE died in 1951 and is buried in >> the >>>>>>>> Roma General Cemetery in Qld. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Some of John Thomas WALPOLE's brothers may have also immigrated to >>>>>>>> Australia. One name which appears in the Queensland BMD historical >>>>>>> records >>>>>>>> is Horace WALPOLE and one of John Thomas' younger brothers was >> Arthur >>>>>>>> Horace WALPOLE. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The family story is that they can trace their line back to Sir >> Robert >>>>>>>> WALPOLE, the Prime Minister of Great Britain. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am hoping a Lister may have details of John Thomas WALPOLE'S >>>>>>> grandfather >>>>>>>> Robert WALPOLE'S parents. Robert was born circa 1829 in Walpole, >>>>>>> Norfolk. >>>>>>>> Robert's son John names one of his sons Horace and one of Sir >> Robert >>>>>>>> WALPOLE'S sons was named Horace, so one would assume that the name >> is >>>>>>>> being carried through by the family. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My husband's DOUGHTYS also hail from Norfolk, in Ryburg, Towngreen, >>>>>>>> Wymondham and Terrington St. Clements. Thank you. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>>> Janice >>>>>>>> Belrose - Sydney >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>>> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >>>>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >

Many of the -ings and -hams were named after people I think, usually Anglo Saxons or Danes, same as places like Catfield which was Cettis field or something like that, but the surnames for the plebs amongst us are meant to be later, sort of 11th century because of the disruptions of 1066 and all that. A chap my husband I were friends with in our school days, James Rye, wrote a nice book on Norfolk place names, must put it on my Xmas list Rosie On 04/12/2011 00:34, David Mills wrote: > Of course there is the possibility that some villages were named after > people! > > Which came first? The Village or the name? > > D > > On 3 December 2011 16:59, xpn11<xpn11@aol.com> wrote: > >> Hi, there are the Terringtons to start with on the same census records >> as the Walpoles and still living in the area. I was at school in the >> Kings Lynn area with a Docking, a Walton, Walsinghams and Massinghams ( >> and Willinghams which is a bit further away in Cambridgeshire), knew >> some Finchams . I have Guntons and Foulshams in my Swanton Morley >> family and there were Marshams in the village, my Great Grandfather was >> a Woodrow ( possibly derived from Woodrow near Cawston ) and fostered by >> some Harpleys. I worked with a Bayfield and one of the family is >> currently married to a Causton. I suppose few of these lived much more >> than 20 miles from the villages as the crow flies, if that. >> But please no jokes about Norfolk as favoured by the current batch of TV >> comedians, I like to think that my ancestors had good strong legs for >> finding a partner from a few villages away. ( even if Southery tests >> this to breaking point) >> An interesting thought is why some villages do not appear to have >> originated names whilst others did-perhaps there were so few from some >> villages that the name died out. I have seen a paper in a Norfolk >> archaeology publication on Norfolk place names as surnames as found in >> London in I think the 14th Century. >> Rosie >> >> On 03/12/2011 15:49, elizabeth howard wrote: >>> Hi , this is what is soooooo fascinating with all the >> movement >>> of people during the Industrial revolution and with transport links >>> increasing and emigration always a hot topic , some families never moved >>> further than 10 miles from their original eponymous villages like your Mr >>> Walpole of Walpole ......... how many others do listers know ? >>> >>> >>> >>> life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "xpn11"<xpn11@aol.com> >>> To:<norfolk@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 3:21 PM >>> Subject: Re: [NFK] WALPOLES OF NORFOLK >>> >>> >>>> Probably related a long way back, if at all, being one of those names >>>> which come from a place. Branches of the Houghton/ Earls of Orford >>>> Walpoles also have Itteringham and Mannington Halls at present. >>>> Don't forget the Horatio/Horace could just as easily be because of >>>> Nelson. >>>> I have met Mr R. Walpole of R W Walpole soft fruit growers of Walpole, >>>> there seems to be quite a few families in the area who have the name. >>>> Rosie ( the other one) >>>> >>>> On 03/12/2011 14:06, elizabeth howard wrote: >>>>> Hi, no worries , it is easily done as you say , and the >>>>> enumerator is to blame but just in case we all went off on a search for >>>>> an >>>>> earlier marriage for Robert, he would , if the age of the 16year old >>>>> been >>>>> right , only 16 years old himself and even for the fens this is an >>>>> unlikely >>>>> early age for marriage !!! >>>>> And I wonder if this 1828 Robert son of Mary is the 12 >> year >>>>> old >>>>> in the 1841 living at West Walton Smeeth . The 1841 Robert son of >> Robert >>>>> and Mary aged 4 seems much closer to the 1861 Robert aged 32 . >>>>> Prime Minister Robert Walpole was born in 1676 at >> Houghton >>>>> Hall >>>>> , and was the third of 17 children , 8 of whom died in infancy . >>>>> Wikipedia >>>>> has Robert as the only surviving son . PM Walpole married Catherine >>>>> Shorter in 1700 and had 2 daus and 4 sons the 2nd Earl Robert had one >> son >>>>> and it would seem that that son died without issue because Horace >>>>> PMWalpole`s 4th son became the 4th Earl of Orford . >>>>> Whilst this is Wikipedia it seems that any connection >> would >>>>> be >>>>> either illegitmate or earlier than PM Walpole , ie his father Robert >> and >>>>> back . >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Jean Greenwood"<jeangreenwood@virginmedia.com> >>>>> To:<norfolk@rootsweb.com> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 1:30 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [NFK] WALPOLES OF NORFOLK >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> The births for the later children are on FreeBMD and are >>>>>> Henry 1855 K Lynn >>>>>> John 1857 Wisbeach >>>>>> Robert 1860 Wisbeach >>>>>> so Rosie correct in thinking enumerator's check misleading. >>>>>> >>>>>> Incidentally Family Search has a baptism in Walpole St Peter for >>>>>> Robert Walpole on 27 Jan 1828 mother Mary - no father given. >>>>>> >>>>>> HTH >>>>>> >>>>>> Jean >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 3 December 2011 13:16, elizabeth howard<elizgh@btinternet.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> And just seen Rosie`s email , I wondered that , >> but >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> image >>>>>>> seems to show that the black line alongside the ages of Henry , John >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> Robert show where the enumerator has ticked them off , checked them >> , >>>>>>> rather than being a line indicating the age They seem different pen >>>>>>> strokes from the age . ???? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Janice Doughty"<adoughty01@optusnet.com.au> >>>>>>> To:<NORFOLK@rootsweb.com> >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 12:36 AM >>>>>>> Subject: [NFK] WALPOLES OF NORFOLK >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Good morning Listers, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have joined the List hoping SKS can take me back further than the >>>>>>>> marriage of Robert WALPOLE to Mary Ann ???? circa 1850 to 1853 >> (Robert >>>>>>>> could have married either Mary Ann Parnell, Young or Holmes. I >> would >>>>>>> also >>>>>>>> like to find which one is Mary Ann who married Robert WALPOLE. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Robert and Mary Ann's first child a daughter Frances, was baptised >> on >>>>>>> 23rd >>>>>>>> July 1853 in Saltbush, baptised by Rev. J G Girdlestone. It is >> Robert >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> Mary Ann's son John, born circa 1858, whose line I a researching. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am helping my niece by marriage to trace her WALPOLE family. Her >>>>>>>> grandmother was Hazel Mirabel WALPOLE born 8th February 1914 in >> Roma, >>>>>>>> Queensland, Aus. Hazel's father was John Thomas WARPOLE, who >> arrived >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> Brisbane, Qld 13th February 1900 aged 19 per "Duke of Portand". He >>>>>>>> married on 28th November 1907, Eva Victoria Beatrice Miscamble in >>>>>>>> Roma, >>>>>>>> Qld. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> John Thomas WALPOLE was the son of John WALPOLE and Mary Ann GALL. >>>>>>>> They >>>>>>>> were married in the June Quarter of 1877. John Thomas WALPOLE was >>>>>>>> born >>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> the Sept Quarter of 1880, his birth was registered in Wisbeach. His >>>>>>>> mother Mary Ann died at the age of 33 in the June Quarter of 1891 >> and >>>>>>>> his >>>>>>>> father John married his second wife Lilian Lemon in the March >> Quarter >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> 1892 in Wisbech. John Thomas WALPOLE died in 1951 and is buried in >> the >>>>>>>> Roma General Cemetery in Qld. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Some of John Thomas WALPOLE's brothers may have also immigrated to >>>>>>>> Australia. One name which appears in the Queensland BMD historical >>>>>>> records >>>>>>>> is Horace WALPOLE and one of John Thomas' younger brothers was >> Arthur >>>>>>>> Horace WALPOLE. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The family story is that they can trace their line back to Sir >> Robert >>>>>>>> WALPOLE, the Prime Minister of Great Britain. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am hoping a Lister may have details of John Thomas WALPOLE'S >>>>>>> grandfather >>>>>>>> Robert WALPOLE'S parents. Robert was born circa 1829 in Walpole, >>>>>>> Norfolk. >>>>>>>> Robert's son John names one of his sons Horace and one of Sir >> Robert >>>>>>>> WALPOLE'S sons was named Horace, so one would assume that the name >> is >>>>>>>> being carried through by the family. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My husband's DOUGHTYS also hail from Norfolk, in Ryburg, Towngreen, >>>>>>>> Wymondham and Terrington St. Clements. Thank you. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>>> Janice >>>>>>>> Belrose - Sydney >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>>> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >>>>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >

Good morning Listers, On this lovely sunny Sunday morning Down Under, I have woken to wonderful postings from the List, with regards to my enquiry about the WALPOLES. As you are aware I am trying to work back to see if my niece's branch of the WALPOLE family can claim a connection back to Sir Robert WALPOLE. There are so many replies it will take me some time to go through them all. However, I wish to thank everyone who has searched through data to come up with some answers and suggestions to my questions. I am limited to what I have on hand to help me to research the family over the Pond. However, I have mostly used the English Census and also research CDs I have on hand and also what is on line for the Australian part of the story. Once I find John Thomas WALPOLE'S grandfather Robert's parents, then I maybe able to move further back to the next generation getting closer to Sir Robert. That is if the Aussie family's claim to a connection to Sir Robert is correct. Once again, thank you so much for your interest and input, I do very much appreciate it. Cheers Janice Belrose - Sydney

Of course there is the possibility that some villages were named after people! Which came first? The Village or the name? D On 3 December 2011 16:59, xpn11 <xpn11@aol.com> wrote: > Hi, there are the Terringtons to start with on the same census records > as the Walpoles and still living in the area. I was at school in the > Kings Lynn area with a Docking, a Walton, Walsinghams and Massinghams ( > and Willinghams which is a bit further away in Cambridgeshire), knew > some Finchams . I have Guntons and Foulshams in my Swanton Morley > family and there were Marshams in the village, my Great Grandfather was > a Woodrow ( possibly derived from Woodrow near Cawston ) and fostered by > some Harpleys. I worked with a Bayfield and one of the family is > currently married to a Causton. I suppose few of these lived much more > than 20 miles from the villages as the crow flies, if that. > But please no jokes about Norfolk as favoured by the current batch of TV > comedians, I like to think that my ancestors had good strong legs for > finding a partner from a few villages away. ( even if Southery tests > this to breaking point) > An interesting thought is why some villages do not appear to have > originated names whilst others did-perhaps there were so few from some > villages that the name died out. I have seen a paper in a Norfolk > archaeology publication on Norfolk place names as surnames as found in > London in I think the 14th Century. > Rosie > > On 03/12/2011 15:49, elizabeth howard wrote: > > Hi , this is what is soooooo fascinating with all the > movement > > of people during the Industrial revolution and with transport links > > increasing and emigration always a hot topic , some families never moved > > further than 10 miles from their original eponymous villages like your Mr > > Walpole of Walpole ......... how many others do listers know ? > > > > > > > > life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "xpn11"<xpn11@aol.com> > > To:<norfolk@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 3:21 PM > > Subject: Re: [NFK] WALPOLES OF NORFOLK > > > > > >> Probably related a long way back, if at all, being one of those names > >> which come from a place. Branches of the Houghton/ Earls of Orford > >> Walpoles also have Itteringham and Mannington Halls at present. > >> Don't forget the Horatio/Horace could just as easily be because of > >> Nelson. > >> I have met Mr R. Walpole of R W Walpole soft fruit growers of Walpole, > >> there seems to be quite a few families in the area who have the name. > >> Rosie ( the other one) > >> > >> On 03/12/2011 14:06, elizabeth howard wrote: > >>> Hi, no worries , it is easily done as you say , and the > >>> enumerator is to blame but just in case we all went off on a search for > >>> an > >>> earlier marriage for Robert, he would , if the age of the 16year old > >>> been > >>> right , only 16 years old himself and even for the fens this is an > >>> unlikely > >>> early age for marriage !!! > >>> And I wonder if this 1828 Robert son of Mary is the 12 > year > >>> old > >>> in the 1841 living at West Walton Smeeth . The 1841 Robert son of > Robert > >>> and Mary aged 4 seems much closer to the 1861 Robert aged 32 . > >>> Prime Minister Robert Walpole was born in 1676 at > Houghton > >>> Hall > >>> , and was the third of 17 children , 8 of whom died in infancy . > >>> Wikipedia > >>> has Robert as the only surviving son . PM Walpole married Catherine > >>> Shorter in 1700 and had 2 daus and 4 sons the 2nd Earl Robert had one > son > >>> and it would seem that that son died without issue because Horace > >>> PMWalpole`s 4th son became the 4th Earl of Orford . > >>> Whilst this is Wikipedia it seems that any connection > would > >>> be > >>> either illegitmate or earlier than PM Walpole , ie his father Robert > and > >>> back . > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Jean Greenwood"<jeangreenwood@virginmedia.com> > >>> To:<norfolk@rootsweb.com> > >>> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 1:30 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [NFK] WALPOLES OF NORFOLK > >>> > >>> > >>>> The births for the later children are on FreeBMD and are > >>>> Henry 1855 K Lynn > >>>> John 1857 Wisbeach > >>>> Robert 1860 Wisbeach > >>>> so Rosie correct in thinking enumerator's check misleading. > >>>> > >>>> Incidentally Family Search has a baptism in Walpole St Peter for > >>>> Robert Walpole on 27 Jan 1828 mother Mary - no father given. > >>>> > >>>> HTH > >>>> > >>>> Jean > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On 3 December 2011 13:16, elizabeth howard<elizgh@btinternet.com> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> And just seen Rosie`s email , I wondered that , > but > >>>>> the > >>>>> image > >>>>> seems to show that the black line alongside the ages of Henry , John > >>>>> and > >>>>> Robert show where the enumerator has ticked them off , checked them > , > >>>>> rather than being a line indicating the age They seem different pen > >>>>> strokes from the age . ???? > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>> From: "Janice Doughty"<adoughty01@optusnet.com.au> > >>>>> To:<NORFOLK@rootsweb.com> > >>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 12:36 AM > >>>>> Subject: [NFK] WALPOLES OF NORFOLK > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> Good morning Listers, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I have joined the List hoping SKS can take me back further than the > >>>>>> marriage of Robert WALPOLE to Mary Ann ???? circa 1850 to 1853 > (Robert > >>>>>> could have married either Mary Ann Parnell, Young or Holmes. I > would > >>>>> also > >>>>>> like to find which one is Mary Ann who married Robert WALPOLE. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Robert and Mary Ann's first child a daughter Frances, was baptised > on > >>>>> 23rd > >>>>>> July 1853 in Saltbush, baptised by Rev. J G Girdlestone. It is > Robert > >>>>>> and > >>>>>> Mary Ann's son John, born circa 1858, whose line I a researching. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I am helping my niece by marriage to trace her WALPOLE family. Her > >>>>>> grandmother was Hazel Mirabel WALPOLE born 8th February 1914 in > Roma, > >>>>>> Queensland, Aus. Hazel's father was John Thomas WARPOLE, who > arrived > >>>>>> in > >>>>>> Brisbane, Qld 13th February 1900 aged 19 per "Duke of Portand". He > >>>>>> married on 28th November 1907, Eva Victoria Beatrice Miscamble in > >>>>>> Roma, > >>>>>> Qld. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> John Thomas WALPOLE was the son of John WALPOLE and Mary Ann GALL. > >>>>>> They > >>>>>> were married in the June Quarter of 1877. John Thomas WALPOLE was > >>>>>> born > >>>>> in > >>>>>> the Sept Quarter of 1880, his birth was registered in Wisbeach. His > >>>>>> mother Mary Ann died at the age of 33 in the June Quarter of 1891 > and > >>>>>> his > >>>>>> father John married his second wife Lilian Lemon in the March > Quarter > >>>>>> of > >>>>>> 1892 in Wisbech. John Thomas WALPOLE died in 1951 and is buried in > the > >>>>>> Roma General Cemetery in Qld. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Some of John Thomas WALPOLE's brothers may have also immigrated to > >>>>>> Australia. One name which appears in the Queensland BMD historical > >>>>> records > >>>>>> is Horace WALPOLE and one of John Thomas' younger brothers was > Arthur > >>>>>> Horace WALPOLE. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The family story is that they can trace their line back to Sir > Robert > >>>>>> WALPOLE, the Prime Minister of Great Britain. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I am hoping a Lister may have details of John Thomas WALPOLE'S > >>>>> grandfather > >>>>>> Robert WALPOLE'S parents. Robert was born circa 1829 in Walpole, > >>>>> Norfolk. > >>>>>> Robert's son John names one of his sons Horace and one of Sir > Robert > >>>>>> WALPOLE'S sons was named Horace, so one would assume that the name > is > >>>>>> being carried through by the family. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> My husband's DOUGHTYS also hail from Norfolk, in Ryburg, Towngreen, > >>>>>> Wymondham and Terrington St. Clements. 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Hi   Just to add that Horatio Nelson was actually named after Horace Walpole , who was his cousin (they are both connected to my Stone family tree in one way or another)  - there are lots of Walpoles all over Norfolk - I'm sure they must all connect up at some stage further back - I seem to remember a Horace Walpole marrying in Hempnall. I wondered at the time if it was THE Horace Walpole!   Of course it wasnt! Rosie      

Hi, there are the Terringtons to start with on the same census records as the Walpoles and still living in the area. I was at school in the Kings Lynn area with a Docking, a Walton, Walsinghams and Massinghams ( and Willinghams which is a bit further away in Cambridgeshire), knew some Finchams . I have Guntons and Foulshams in my Swanton Morley family and there were Marshams in the village, my Great Grandfather was a Woodrow ( possibly derived from Woodrow near Cawston ) and fostered by some Harpleys. I worked with a Bayfield and one of the family is currently married to a Causton. I suppose few of these lived much more than 20 miles from the villages as the crow flies, if that. But please no jokes about Norfolk as favoured by the current batch of TV comedians, I like to think that my ancestors had good strong legs for finding a partner from a few villages away. ( even if Southery tests this to breaking point) An interesting thought is why some villages do not appear to have originated names whilst others did-perhaps there were so few from some villages that the name died out. I have seen a paper in a Norfolk archaeology publication on Norfolk place names as surnames as found in London in I think the 14th Century. Rosie On 03/12/2011 15:49, elizabeth howard wrote: > Hi , this is what is soooooo fascinating with all the movement > of people during the Industrial revolution and with transport links > increasing and emigration always a hot topic , some families never moved > further than 10 miles from their original eponymous villages like your Mr > Walpole of Walpole ......... how many others do listers know ? > > > > life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "xpn11"<xpn11@aol.com> > To:<norfolk@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 3:21 PM > Subject: Re: [NFK] WALPOLES OF NORFOLK > > >> Probably related a long way back, if at all, being one of those names >> which come from a place. Branches of the Houghton/ Earls of Orford >> Walpoles also have Itteringham and Mannington Halls at present. >> Don't forget the Horatio/Horace could just as easily be because of >> Nelson. >> I have met Mr R. Walpole of R W Walpole soft fruit growers of Walpole, >> there seems to be quite a few families in the area who have the name. >> Rosie ( the other one) >> >> On 03/12/2011 14:06, elizabeth howard wrote: >>> Hi, no worries , it is easily done as you say , and the >>> enumerator is to blame but just in case we all went off on a search for >>> an >>> earlier marriage for Robert, he would , if the age of the 16year old >>> been >>> right , only 16 years old himself and even for the fens this is an >>> unlikely >>> early age for marriage !!! >>> And I wonder if this 1828 Robert son of Mary is the 12 year >>> old >>> in the 1841 living at West Walton Smeeth . The 1841 Robert son of Robert >>> and Mary aged 4 seems much closer to the 1861 Robert aged 32 . >>> Prime Minister Robert Walpole was born in 1676 at Houghton >>> Hall >>> , and was the third of 17 children , 8 of whom died in infancy . >>> Wikipedia >>> has Robert as the only surviving son . PM Walpole married Catherine >>> Shorter in 1700 and had 2 daus and 4 sons the 2nd Earl Robert had one son >>> and it would seem that that son died without issue because Horace >>> PMWalpole`s 4th son became the 4th Earl of Orford . >>> Whilst this is Wikipedia it seems that any connection would >>> be >>> either illegitmate or earlier than PM Walpole , ie his father Robert and >>> back . >>> >>> >>> >>> life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Jean Greenwood"<jeangreenwood@virginmedia.com> >>> To:<norfolk@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 1:30 PM >>> Subject: Re: [NFK] WALPOLES OF NORFOLK >>> >>> >>>> The births for the later children are on FreeBMD and are >>>> Henry 1855 K Lynn >>>> John 1857 Wisbeach >>>> Robert 1860 Wisbeach >>>> so Rosie correct in thinking enumerator's check misleading. >>>> >>>> Incidentally Family Search has a baptism in Walpole St Peter for >>>> Robert Walpole on 27 Jan 1828 mother Mary - no father given. >>>> >>>> HTH >>>> >>>> Jean >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 3 December 2011 13:16, elizabeth howard<elizgh@btinternet.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> And just seen Rosie`s email , I wondered that , but >>>>> the >>>>> image >>>>> seems to show that the black line alongside the ages of Henry , John >>>>> and >>>>> Robert show where the enumerator has ticked them off , checked them , >>>>> rather than being a line indicating the age They seem different pen >>>>> strokes from the age . ???? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Janice Doughty"<adoughty01@optusnet.com.au> >>>>> To:<NORFOLK@rootsweb.com> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 12:36 AM >>>>> Subject: [NFK] WALPOLES OF NORFOLK >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Good morning Listers, >>>>>> >>>>>> I have joined the List hoping SKS can take me back further than the >>>>>> marriage of Robert WALPOLE to Mary Ann ???? circa 1850 to 1853 (Robert >>>>>> could have married either Mary Ann Parnell, Young or Holmes. I would >>>>> also >>>>>> like to find which one is Mary Ann who married Robert WALPOLE. >>>>>> >>>>>> Robert and Mary Ann's first child a daughter Frances, was baptised on >>>>> 23rd >>>>>> July 1853 in Saltbush, baptised by Rev. J G Girdlestone. It is Robert >>>>>> and >>>>>> Mary Ann's son John, born circa 1858, whose line I a researching. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am helping my niece by marriage to trace her WALPOLE family. Her >>>>>> grandmother was Hazel Mirabel WALPOLE born 8th February 1914 in Roma, >>>>>> Queensland, Aus. Hazel's father was John Thomas WARPOLE, who arrived >>>>>> in >>>>>> Brisbane, Qld 13th February 1900 aged 19 per "Duke of Portand". He >>>>>> married on 28th November 1907, Eva Victoria Beatrice Miscamble in >>>>>> Roma, >>>>>> Qld. >>>>>> >>>>>> John Thomas WALPOLE was the son of John WALPOLE and Mary Ann GALL. >>>>>> They >>>>>> were married in the June Quarter of 1877. John Thomas WALPOLE was >>>>>> born >>>>> in >>>>>> the Sept Quarter of 1880, his birth was registered in Wisbeach. His >>>>>> mother Mary Ann died at the age of 33 in the June Quarter of 1891 and >>>>>> his >>>>>> father John married his second wife Lilian Lemon in the March Quarter >>>>>> of >>>>>> 1892 in Wisbech. John Thomas WALPOLE died in 1951 and is buried in the >>>>>> Roma General Cemetery in Qld. >>>>>> >>>>>> Some of John Thomas WALPOLE's brothers may have also immigrated to >>>>>> Australia. One name which appears in the Queensland BMD historical >>>>> records >>>>>> is Horace WALPOLE and one of John Thomas' younger brothers was Arthur >>>>>> Horace WALPOLE. >>>>>> >>>>>> The family story is that they can trace their line back to Sir Robert >>>>>> WALPOLE, the Prime Minister of Great Britain. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am hoping a Lister may have details of John Thomas WALPOLE'S >>>>> grandfather >>>>>> Robert WALPOLE'S parents. Robert was born circa 1829 in Walpole, >>>>> Norfolk. >>>>>> Robert's son John names one of his sons Horace and one of Sir Robert >>>>>> WALPOLE'S sons was named Horace, so one would assume that the name is >>>>>> being carried through by the family. >>>>>> >>>>>> My husband's DOUGHTYS also hail from Norfolk, in Ryburg, Towngreen, >>>>>> Wymondham and Terrington St. Clements. Thank you. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers >>>>>> Janice >>>>>> Belrose - Sydney >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A friend doing genealogical research in Suffolk ( the ALSTONs and Lady Somerset) came across an entry in a parish register. Burial of a very old man. "In all his many years he never went out of the sight of the spire of the parish church". Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "elizabeth howard" <elizgh@btinternet.com> To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 3:49 PM Subject: [NFK] WALPOLES OF NORFOLK > Hi , this is what is soooooo fascinating with all the movement > of people during the Industrial revolution and with transport links > increasing and emigration always a hot topic , some families never moved > further than 10 miles from their original eponymous villages like your Mr > Walpole of Walpole ......... how many others do listers know ? > > > > life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "xpn11" <xpn11@aol.com> > To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 3:21 PM > Subject: Re: [NFK] WALPOLES OF NORFOLK > > >> Probably related a long way back, if at all, being one of those names >> which come from a place. Branches of the Houghton/ Earls of Orford >> Walpoles also have Itteringham and Mannington Halls at present. >> Don't forget the Horatio/Horace could just as easily be because of >> Nelson. >> I have met Mr R. Walpole of R W Walpole soft fruit growers of Walpole, >> there seems to be quite a few families in the area who have the name. >> Rosie ( the other one) >> >> On 03/12/2011 14:06, elizabeth howard wrote: >>> Hi, no worries , it is easily done as you say , and the >>> enumerator is to blame but just in case we all went off on a search for >>> an >>> earlier marriage for Robert, he would , if the age of the 16year old >>> been >>> right , only 16 years old himself and even for the fens this is an >>> unlikely >>> early age for marriage !!! >>> And I wonder if this 1828 Robert son of Mary is the 12 year >>> old >>> in the 1841 living at West Walton Smeeth . The 1841 Robert son of >>> Robert >>> and Mary aged 4 seems much closer to the 1861 Robert aged 32 . >>> Prime Minister Robert Walpole was born in 1676 at Houghton >>> Hall >>> , and was the third of 17 children , 8 of whom died in infancy . >>> Wikipedia >>> has Robert as the only surviving son . PM Walpole married Catherine >>> Shorter in 1700 and had 2 daus and 4 sons the 2nd Earl Robert had one >>> son >>> and it would seem that that son died without issue because Horace >>> PMWalpole`s 4th son became the 4th Earl of Orford . >>> Whilst this is Wikipedia it seems that any connection >>> would be >>> either illegitmate or earlier than PM Walpole , ie his father Robert and >>> back . >>> >>> >>> >>> life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Jean Greenwood"<jeangreenwood@virginmedia.com> >>> To:<norfolk@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 1:30 PM >>> Subject: Re: [NFK] WALPOLES OF NORFOLK >>> >>> >>>> The births for the later children are on FreeBMD and are >>>> Henry 1855 K Lynn >>>> John 1857 Wisbeach >>>> Robert 1860 Wisbeach >>>> so Rosie correct in thinking enumerator's check misleading. >>>> >>>> Incidentally Family Search has a baptism in Walpole St Peter for >>>> Robert Walpole on 27 Jan 1828 mother Mary - no father given. >>>> >>>> HTH >>>> >>>> Jean >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 3 December 2011 13:16, elizabeth howard<elizgh@btinternet.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> And just seen Rosie`s email , I wondered that , but >>>>> the >>>>> image >>>>> seems to show that the black line alongside the ages of Henry , John >>>>> and >>>>> Robert show where the enumerator has ticked them off , checked them , >>>>> rather than being a line indicating the age They seem different pen >>>>> strokes from the age . ???? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Janice Doughty"<adoughty01@optusnet.com.au> >>>>> To:<NORFOLK@rootsweb.com> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 12:36 AM >>>>> Subject: [NFK] WALPOLES OF NORFOLK >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Good morning Listers, >>>>>> >>>>>> I have joined the List hoping SKS can take me back further than the >>>>>> marriage of Robert WALPOLE to Mary Ann ???? circa 1850 to 1853 >>>>>> (Robert >>>>>> could have married either Mary Ann Parnell, Young or Holmes. I would >>>>> also >>>>>> like to find which one is Mary Ann who married Robert WALPOLE. >>>>>> >>>>>> Robert and Mary Ann's first child a daughter Frances, was baptised on >>>>> 23rd >>>>>> July 1853 in Saltbush, baptised by Rev. J G Girdlestone. It is Robert >>>>>> and >>>>>> Mary Ann's son John, born circa 1858, whose line I a researching. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am helping my niece by marriage to trace her WALPOLE family. Her >>>>>> grandmother was Hazel Mirabel WALPOLE born 8th February 1914 in Roma, >>>>>> Queensland, Aus. Hazel's father was John Thomas WARPOLE, who arrived >>>>>> in >>>>>> Brisbane, Qld 13th February 1900 aged 19 per "Duke of Portand". He >>>>>> married on 28th November 1907, Eva Victoria Beatrice Miscamble in >>>>>> Roma, >>>>>> Qld. >>>>>> >>>>>> John Thomas WALPOLE was the son of John WALPOLE and Mary Ann GALL. >>>>>> They >>>>>> were married in the June Quarter of 1877. John Thomas WALPOLE was >>>>>> born >>>>> in >>>>>> the Sept Quarter of 1880, his birth was registered in Wisbeach. His >>>>>> mother Mary Ann died at the age of 33 in the June Quarter of 1891 and >>>>>> his >>>>>> father John married his second wife Lilian Lemon in the March Quarter >>>>>> of >>>>>> 1892 in Wisbech. John Thomas WALPOLE died in 1951 and is buried in >>>>>> the >>>>>> Roma General Cemetery in Qld. >>>>>> >>>>>> Some of John Thomas WALPOLE's brothers may have also immigrated to >>>>>> Australia. One name which appears in the Queensland BMD historical >>>>> records >>>>>> is Horace WALPOLE and one of John Thomas' younger brothers was Arthur >>>>>> Horace WALPOLE. >>>>>> >>>>>> The family story is that they can trace their line back to Sir Robert >>>>>> WALPOLE, the Prime Minister of Great Britain. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am hoping a Lister may have details of John Thomas WALPOLE'S >>>>> grandfather >>>>>> Robert WALPOLE'S parents. Robert was born circa 1829 in Walpole, >>>>> Norfolk. >>>>>> Robert's son John names one of his sons Horace and one of Sir Robert >>>>>> WALPOLE'S sons was named Horace, so one would assume that the name is >>>>>> being carried through by the family. >>>>>> >>>>>> My husband's DOUGHTYS also hail from Norfolk, in Ryburg, Towngreen, >>>>>> Wymondham and Terrington St. Clements. Thank you. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers >>>>>> Janice >>>>>> Belrose - Sydney >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > >

Welcome, Your request jogged my boyhood memory: When we lived at Tunstead in Norfolk a certain Miss Nicholl was in charge of what I remember as an orphanage in the Vicarage near the church. She had a deep interest in local history and was going to write a book. She did much research. Later, while on holiday from Wymondham College and after she had left the Vicarage, I went to see her in her bungalow somewhere on the road to Wroxham. The purpose of the visit was to prepare a talk to the school history society (run by Mr Carter..of the Howard Carter family IIRC)about the "History of my Village". Miss Nicholl was plucking turkeys as I recall and I was roped in to help. Beisdes telling me that there used to be two old men in the village who remembered the tunnel that ran from the church being opened she also mentioned that Hugh Walpole had connections with the village. I have never confirmed this but have just found Walpoles at: http://www.genealogy.doun.org/transcriptions/surnames.php?doc_type=400&surname=WALPOLE. some of these are in the Tunstead and Happing district, notably Dilham. and Barton Turf.... Hugh Walpole was born in New Zealand... perhaps his family did come from Tunstead. Just a thought. David On 3 December 2011 00:36, Janice Doughty <adoughty01@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > Good morning Listers, > > I have joined the List hoping SKS can take me back further than the > marriage of Robert WALPOLE to Mary Ann ???? circa 1850 to 1853 (Robert > could have married either Mary Ann Parnell, Young or Holmes. I would also > like to find which one is Mary Ann who married Robert WALPOLE. > > Robert and Mary Ann's first child a daughter Frances, was baptised on 23rd > July 1853 in Saltbush, baptised by Rev. J G Girdlestone. It is Robert and > Mary Ann's son John, born circa 1858, whose line I a researching. > > I am helping my niece by marriage to trace her WALPOLE family. Her > grandmother was Hazel Mirabel WALPOLE born 8th February 1914 in Roma, > Queensland, Aus. Hazel's father was John Thomas WARPOLE, who arrived in > Brisbane, Qld 13th February 1900 aged 19 per "Duke of Portand". He married > on 28th November 1907, Eva Victoria Beatrice Miscamble in Roma, Qld. > > John Thomas WALPOLE was the son of John WALPOLE and Mary Ann GALL. They > were married in the June Quarter of 1877. John Thomas WALPOLE was born in > the Sept Quarter of 1880, his birth was registered in Wisbeach. His mother > Mary Ann died at the age of 33 in the June Quarter of 1891 and his father > John married his second wife Lilian Lemon in the March Quarter of 1892 in > Wisbech. John Thomas WALPOLE died in 1951 and is buried in the Roma General > Cemetery in Qld. > > Some of John Thomas WALPOLE's brothers may have also immigrated to > Australia. One name which appears in the Queensland BMD historical records > is Horace WALPOLE and one of John Thomas' younger brothers was Arthur > Horace WALPOLE. > > The family story is that they can trace their line back to Sir Robert > WALPOLE, the Prime Minister of Great Britain. > > I am hoping a Lister may have details of John Thomas WALPOLE'S grandfather > Robert WALPOLE'S parents. Robert was born circa 1829 in Walpole, Norfolk. > Robert's son John names one of his sons Horace and one of Sir Robert > WALPOLE'S sons was named Horace, so one would assume that the name is being > carried through by the family. > > My husband's DOUGHTYS also hail from Norfolk, in Ryburg, Towngreen, > Wymondham and Terrington St. Clements. Thank you. > > Cheers > Janice > Belrose - Sydney > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Please note that this e-mail and any files transmitted with it may be privileged, confidential, and protected from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this communication or any of its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message and then delete this message, any attachments, and all copies and backups from your computer.

Hi David I descend from Thomas RANT born Heigham 1762. Jane -----Original Message----- From: norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Cullingford Sent: 03 December 2011 15:03 To: NORFOLK@rootsweb.com Subject: [NFK] Interested in anyone researching CUSTANCE-STOREY, LIVOCK-STOREY, RANT, TOWNSHEND, PRIOR etc all in/around Norwich Hi I'm currently researching around the Norwich area? I'm interested in connecting with anyone researching the same families/surnames. John Prior (B circa 1755) married Lydia (surname?) around 1773 John Custance (b1765) married Lydia Prior (b1774) in 1794 Timothy Townshend (B circa 1775) married Elizabeth Rant (b1773 Heigham) in 1795 Jonathan Custance (b1805 Heigham) married Mary Townshend (b1803, Heigham) in ? Elizabeth Ellinor Custance (b1828 Heigham) married William Livock Storey (b1822 Norwich) in 1846 (they moved to Newmarket before returning to St Paul s, Norwich). John Custance Storey (b1855 Norwich) married Charlotte Ann Howman (b1848 Lakenham) in 1878 I have a lot more info in the tree, these are just my direct line going back to 5 times great grandparents. If these are in your family tree then please get in touch. I know the Custances are a notable family from the area. I'm not after lookups and I ve access to most records including freereg, LDS etc Regards David

Hi , this is what is soooooo fascinating with all the movement of people during the Industrial revolution and with transport links increasing and emigration always a hot topic , some families never moved further than 10 miles from their original eponymous villages like your Mr Walpole of Walpole ......... how many others do listers know ? life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "xpn11" <xpn11@aol.com> To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [NFK] WALPOLES OF NORFOLK > Probably related a long way back, if at all, being one of those names > which come from a place. Branches of the Houghton/ Earls of Orford > Walpoles also have Itteringham and Mannington Halls at present. > Don't forget the Horatio/Horace could just as easily be because of > Nelson. > I have met Mr R. Walpole of R W Walpole soft fruit growers of Walpole, > there seems to be quite a few families in the area who have the name. > Rosie ( the other one) > > On 03/12/2011 14:06, elizabeth howard wrote: >> Hi, no worries , it is easily done as you say , and the >> enumerator is to blame but just in case we all went off on a search for >> an >> earlier marriage for Robert, he would , if the age of the 16year old >> been >> right , only 16 years old himself and even for the fens this is an >> unlikely >> early age for marriage !!! >> And I wonder if this 1828 Robert son of Mary is the 12 year >> old >> in the 1841 living at West Walton Smeeth . The 1841 Robert son of Robert >> and Mary aged 4 seems much closer to the 1861 Robert aged 32 . >> Prime Minister Robert Walpole was born in 1676 at Houghton >> Hall >> , and was the third of 17 children , 8 of whom died in infancy . >> Wikipedia >> has Robert as the only surviving son . PM Walpole married Catherine >> Shorter in 1700 and had 2 daus and 4 sons the 2nd Earl Robert had one son >> and it would seem that that son died without issue because Horace >> PMWalpole`s 4th son became the 4th Earl of Orford . >> Whilst this is Wikipedia it seems that any connection would >> be >> either illegitmate or earlier than PM Walpole , ie his father Robert and >> back . >> >> >> >> life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jean Greenwood"<jeangreenwood@virginmedia.com> >> To:<norfolk@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 1:30 PM >> Subject: Re: [NFK] WALPOLES OF NORFOLK >> >> >>> The births for the later children are on FreeBMD and are >>> Henry 1855 K Lynn >>> John 1857 Wisbeach >>> Robert 1860 Wisbeach >>> so Rosie correct in thinking enumerator's check misleading. >>> >>> Incidentally Family Search has a baptism in Walpole St Peter for >>> Robert Walpole on 27 Jan 1828 mother Mary - no father given. >>> >>> HTH >>> >>> Jean >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 3 December 2011 13:16, elizabeth howard<elizgh@btinternet.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> And just seen Rosie`s email , I wondered that , but >>>> the >>>> image >>>> seems to show that the black line alongside the ages of Henry , John >>>> and >>>> Robert show where the enumerator has ticked them off , checked them , >>>> rather than being a line indicating the age They seem different pen >>>> strokes from the age . ???? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Janice Doughty"<adoughty01@optusnet.com.au> >>>> To:<NORFOLK@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 12:36 AM >>>> Subject: [NFK] WALPOLES OF NORFOLK >>>> >>>> >>>>> Good morning Listers, >>>>> >>>>> I have joined the List hoping SKS can take me back further than the >>>>> marriage of Robert WALPOLE to Mary Ann ???? circa 1850 to 1853 (Robert >>>>> could have married either Mary Ann Parnell, Young or Holmes. I would >>>> also >>>>> like to find which one is Mary Ann who married Robert WALPOLE. >>>>> >>>>> Robert and Mary Ann's first child a daughter Frances, was baptised on >>>> 23rd >>>>> July 1853 in Saltbush, baptised by Rev. J G Girdlestone. It is Robert >>>>> and >>>>> Mary Ann's son John, born circa 1858, whose line I a researching. >>>>> >>>>> I am helping my niece by marriage to trace her WALPOLE family. Her >>>>> grandmother was Hazel Mirabel WALPOLE born 8th February 1914 in Roma, >>>>> Queensland, Aus. Hazel's father was John Thomas WARPOLE, who arrived >>>>> in >>>>> Brisbane, Qld 13th February 1900 aged 19 per "Duke of Portand". He >>>>> married on 28th November 1907, Eva Victoria Beatrice Miscamble in >>>>> Roma, >>>>> Qld. >>>>> >>>>> John Thomas WALPOLE was the son of John WALPOLE and Mary Ann GALL. >>>>> They >>>>> were married in the June Quarter of 1877. John Thomas WALPOLE was >>>>> born >>>> in >>>>> the Sept Quarter of 1880, his birth was registered in Wisbeach. His >>>>> mother Mary Ann died at the age of 33 in the June Quarter of 1891 and >>>>> his >>>>> father John married his second wife Lilian Lemon in the March Quarter >>>>> of >>>>> 1892 in Wisbech. John Thomas WALPOLE died in 1951 and is buried in the >>>>> Roma General Cemetery in Qld. >>>>> >>>>> Some of John Thomas WALPOLE's brothers may have also immigrated to >>>>> Australia. One name which appears in the Queensland BMD historical >>>> records >>>>> is Horace WALPOLE and one of John Thomas' younger brothers was Arthur >>>>> Horace WALPOLE. >>>>> >>>>> The family story is that they can trace their line back to Sir Robert >>>>> WALPOLE, the Prime Minister of Great Britain. >>>>> >>>>> I am hoping a Lister may have details of John Thomas WALPOLE'S >>>> grandfather >>>>> Robert WALPOLE'S parents. Robert was born circa 1829 in Walpole, >>>> Norfolk. >>>>> Robert's son John names one of his sons Horace and one of Sir Robert >>>>> WALPOLE'S sons was named Horace, so one would assume that the name is >>>>> being carried through by the family. >>>>> >>>>> My husband's DOUGHTYS also hail from Norfolk, in Ryburg, Towngreen, >>>>> Wymondham and Terrington St. Clements. Thank you. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers >>>>> Janice >>>>> Belrose - Sydney >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Jean , I found the marriage in freebmd first and then moved onto the 1861 census to find the family and then went back to the 1841 to see if I could find Robert b c 1830 in Walpole or close by . And yes I would be pretty happy that 12 yr old Robert living as a FS in a farming household . That would be the sort of apprentice the parish guardians might put out . And I would guess from Australia , Janice`s original information will have come from family sources and their BMD in Oz . life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Greenwood" <jeangreenwood@virginmedia.com> To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [NFK] WALPOLES OF NORFOLK > Hi Elizabeth > > I don't have access to census other than NFK 1851 onwards so was unable to > find > the 1841 Robert which you did. I had the 1851 entry only. > > The bap in 1828 was a response to Janice's original mail which where she > writes:- > "I* am hoping a Lister may have details of John Thomas WALPOLE'S > grandfather Robert WALPOLE'S parents. Robert was born circa 1829 in > Walpole, Norfolk." * > as it seemed to fit well. Being FSearch it will obviously have to be > checked with original registers. > I wonder where Janice's info came from. > > Cheers > Jean > On 3 December 2011 14:06, elizabeth howard <elizgh@btinternet.com> wrote: > >> Hi, no worries , it is easily done as you say , and the >> enumerator is to blame but just in case we all went off on a search for >> an >> earlier marriage for Robert, he would , if the age of the 16year old >> been >> right , only 16 years old himself and even for the fens this is an >> unlikely >> early age for marriage !!! >> And I wonder if this 1828 Robert son of Mary is the 12 year >> old >> in the 1841 living at West Walton Smeeth . The 1841 Robert son of Robert >> and Mary aged 4 seems much closer to the 1861 Robert aged 32 . >> Prime Minister Robert Walpole was born in 1676 at Houghton >> Hall >> , and was the third of 17 children , 8 of whom died in infancy . >> Wikipedia >> has Robert as the only surviving son . PM Walpole married Catherine >> Shorter in 1700 and had 2 daus and 4 sons the 2nd Earl Robert had one son >> and it would seem that that son died without issue because Horace >> PMWalpole`s 4th son became the 4th Earl of Orford . >> Whilst this is Wikipedia it seems that any connection would >> be >> either illegitmate or earlier than PM Walpole , ie his father Robert and >> back . >> >> >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >