Hello Peter Try "googling" Genuki and you can follow the leads from there. Maybe the 1700's population will be mentioned somewhere on the site. Good luck! Elizabeth Pugh Yukon Canada Does anyone know what the population of Diss might have been in the 18th century? Thanks Paul Windley

Recipes in those days were known as "receipts" They even got it right in "Downton Abbey" where a visitor brings a "receipt"of her favourite dish for the cook, who, suffering from eye problems can't read it ..... and drama ensues. I'm sure Jamie know that. Richard In a message dated 18/12/2011 10:13:34 GMT Standard Time, adoughty01@optusnet.com.au writes: Hello Listers, I note in my last emial I have the antique book, which Jamie Oliver's friend purchased for him in Melbourne as a thank you gift, as a handwritten RECEIPT book. I meant a handwritten RECIPE book. I very much doubt Jamie Oliver would get over exited about receiving a receipt book. Cheers Janice Belrose - Sydney ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you, Janice! One possibility is the family of Dr. John Green CROSSE (1790 - 1850), M.D., F.R.S. who was actually born at Boyton, Hall, Great Finborough, Suffolk, but had a distinguished career as a surgeon at the Norfolk and Norwich Hospital. He was buried in Norwich Cathedral. He was a distant cousin of my wife. Happy Christmas! Geoffrey Woollard in Cambridgeshire, England.

Does anyone know what the population of Diss might have been in the 18th century? Thanks Paul Windley

I don't know those particular people - but I do know that is a big local name in south Norfolk south of Norwich. Beware the name also morphs into Cackermole (and equivalent variations). There are to my knowledge current Cattermoles in Tharston, and also a Cattermole butcher in New Buckenham. Lots of them on Freereg - but you will have to search carefully for the variations as soundex may not pick them all up. Also a little snippet here that may be useful http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Cattermole Julie On 17/12/2011 12:16, Fhpriory@aol.com wrote: > I have a connection with these names through Henry CATTERMOUL b Norwich > c1781, who moved to Camberwell and married Susannah FOX (also b Norwich > c1781). > Father was Isaac (b1739? possibly Diss) and mother was Mary FOX (again!) > Before that, I am confused, not least by the bewildering variations of the > name, and would appreciate any help > Thankyou > Paul Windley > > (I would also be interested to hear of any other variations beginning > CA(T)TO(A)M.........!) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Julie Harold FreeREG Norfolk Coordinator http://www.freereg.org.uk

I have a connection with these names through Henry CATTERMOUL b Norwich c1781, who moved to Camberwell and married Susannah FOX (also b Norwich c1781). Father was Isaac (b1739? possibly Diss) and mother was Mary FOX (again!) Before that, I am confused, not least by the bewildering variations of the name, and would appreciate any help Thankyou Paul Windley (I would also be interested to hear of any other variations beginning CA(T)TO(A)M.........!)

Sent on the TELUS Mobility network with BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Treetopsfarm@aol.com Sender: norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 15:18:55 To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Reply-to: norfolk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NFK] Ancestry problem? Hi Neil I know you posted this some time ago and it appeared that everyone thought their site was down, but I have just upgraded to FTM2012 to be ably to sync with ancestry and there are several bugs in it. I wondered if you were on 2012 as well. Richard In a message dated 31/10/2011 20:50:17 GMT Standard Time, neilrbowers@neilrbowers.plus.com writes: Hi all, is anyone experiencing problems with ancestry? Neil ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Neil I know you posted this some time ago and it appeared that everyone thought their site was down, but I have just upgraded to FTM2012 to be ably to sync with ancestry and there are several bugs in it. I wondered if you were on 2012 as well. Richard In a message dated 31/10/2011 20:50:17 GMT Standard Time, neilrbowers@neilrbowers.plus.com writes: Hi all, is anyone experiencing problems with ancestry? Neil ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Paula and Veronica, Thanks for your replies. I was very moved to read your story Paula. It was the enormous number of these disasters, 411 ships lost in one year (1873-1874), that got the public angry and, thanks to the efforts of Samuel Plimsoll, who had worked with sailors and knew the hazards of their lives, public opinion was raised against the shipowners, who until then had no duty to protect their crews and sailors refusing to join an overladen and unseaworthy ship were imprisoned. Samuel became an MP, wrote a book and managed to persuade the government to change the law to protect the sailors rather than the well insured owners. The maximum waterline drawn on the side of every ship, known as the Plimsoll Line, and inspections before embarking meant an end to the "coffin ships" and life at sea got a little safer - but not in time for our poor fellows. A song, a Cheer for Plimsoll was sung in 1876 when his law was passed. Best wishes, Jane http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=kosmoid&id=I260

Hi Jane Wow, I am so pleased for you, knocking down a brickwall after such a long search. Sometimes it seems like somethings we will never find, but never give up, for as you have just shown, rewards can be found. Congratulations on your findings and sharing your happiness with us all. Regards Veronica Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane Kelly" <jane.kelly2@virgin.net> To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 8:41 PM Subject: [NFK] Ancestor's death found at last Dear fellow Listers, My, Bergh Apton born, gt gt grandfather was a mariner who drowned at sea according to family lore - and the fact he was deceased when his baby son was Christened in 1844. Thanks to the newly available: http://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/ I have tracked down the day his boat went missing and "great fears were entertained for the safety of....".9th December 1843 I have been looking for any news for the past 20 years so this has been quite a breakthrough. I also found reports of hundreds of similar tragedies where sometimes the crew are named. I was then able to find earlier reports of happier times when his boat arrived safely home - from France (which was news to me) laden with apples, onions and furniture. Best wishes, Jane researching BLAKE;NICHOLS in Norfolk http://www.kosmoid.net/roots/index.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Who was he Original Message ----- From: <kenwill@shaw.ca> To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 12:11 AM Subject: Re: [NFK] Interested in anyone researching CUSTANCE-STOREY,LIVOCK-STOREY, RANT, TOWNSHEND, PRIOR etc all in/around Norwich > Hello, My Maternal Grandfather appears to have been born in Portsmouth, > Hampshire on March 22, 1872 taken from a wartime form. He indicated his > mothers maiden name as Annie Tye. I have found no records of him. He > died > in Vancouver 1947. > > Ken Williams > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gail Lewis > Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2011 12:36 PM > To: norfolk@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NFK] Interested in anyone researching > CUSTANCE-STOREY,LIVOCK-STOREY, RANT, TOWNSHEND, PRIOR etc all in/around > Norwich > > Hello: > > I am descended from William Rant b. abt 1801, married to Sarah. Children > were Sarah (abt. 1828), George (1830), Joseph (1833) and Harriet (1836). > My > great-grandfather was James William Rant Overed, b.1869, son of Sarah Rant > and Walter Overed. Any connection? > > Gail Lewis > Canada > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jane Milbourne" <jane.milbourne@ntlworld.com> > To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 8:02 AM > Subject: Re: [NFK] Interested in anyone researching > CUSTANCE-STOREY,LIVOCK-STOREY, RANT, TOWNSHEND, PRIOR etc all in/around > Norwich > > >> Hi David >> >> I descend from Thomas RANT born Heigham 1762. >> >> Jane >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On >> Behalf Of David Cullingford >> Sent: 03 December 2011 15:03 >> To: NORFOLK@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [NFK] Interested in anyone researching CUSTANCE-STOREY, >> LIVOCK-STOREY, RANT, TOWNSHEND, PRIOR etc all in/around Norwich >> >> Hi >> >> I'm currently researching around the Norwich area? I'm interested in >> connecting with anyone researching the same families/surnames. >> >> John Prior (B circa 1755) married Lydia (surname?) around 1773 >> John Custance (b1765) married Lydia Prior (b1774) in 1794 >> Timothy Townshend (B circa 1775) married Elizabeth Rant (b1773 Heigham) >> in >> 1795 >> Jonathan Custance (b1805 Heigham) married Mary Townshend (b1803, Heigham) >> in >> ? >> Elizabeth Ellinor Custance (b1828 Heigham) married William Livock Storey >> (b1822 Norwich) in 1846 (they moved to Newmarket before returning to St >> Paul >> s, Norwich). >> John Custance Storey (b1855 Norwich) married Charlotte Ann Howman (b1848 >> Lakenham) in 1878 >> >> I have a lot more info in the tree, these are just my direct line going >> back >> to 5 times great grandparents. >> >> If these are in your family tree then please get in touch. I know the >> Custances are a notable family from the area. I'm not after lookups and >> I >> ve access to most records including freereg, LDS etc >> >> Regards >> >> David >> >> >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Text inserted by Panda IS 2012: > > This message has NOT been classified as spam. If it is unsolicited mail > (spam), click on the following link to reclassify it: > http://localhost:6083/Panda?ID=pav_2225&SPAM=true&path=C:\Windows\system32\config\systemprofile\AppData\Local\Panda%20Security\Panda%20Internet%20Security%202012\AntiSpam > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

http://www.genuki.org.uk/indexes/MailingLists.html http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~jfuller/gen_mail_country-unk-eng.html http://lists5.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/ should give you plenty to look at. :) And in the latter URL, there's a surname list, with a mailing list for Hudson. Pam Proud to be a member of Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk/ (and Norfolk Family History Society http://www.norfolkfhs.org.uk/) On 12/12/2011 16:41, Treetopsfarm@aol.com wrote: > Does anyone know of similar forums in other areas of the UK? I am trying > to tie up my Norfolk Hudsons with Hudsons in Yorkshire, and there is > NOTHING available. > > Richard > > ------------------------------- >

Hi Gail Looking at the 1861 census on www.freecen.org.uk William was born in Needham, south Norfolk. There's a baptism on freereg of a William, 2 Nov 1797, born 14 Jun 1797, parents William and Ann (late BROWS). Have you researched the family any further back? best wishes, Jane -----Original Message----- From: norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gail Lewis Sent: 11 December 2011 20:36 To: norfolk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NFK] Interested in anyone researching CUSTANCE-STOREY, LIVOCK-STOREY, RANT, TOWNSHEND, PRIOR etc all in/around Norwich Hello: I am descended from William Rant b. abt 1801, married to Sarah. Children were Sarah (abt. 1828), George (1830), Joseph (1833) and Harriet (1836). My great-grandfather was James William Rant Overed, b.1869, son of Sarah Rant and Walter Overed. Any connection? Gail Lewis Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane Milbourne" <jane.milbourne@ntlworld.com> To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 8:02 AM Subject: Re: [NFK] Interested in anyone researching CUSTANCE-STOREY,LIVOCK-STOREY, RANT, TOWNSHEND, PRIOR etc all in/around Norwich > Hi David > > I descend from Thomas RANT born Heigham 1762. > > Jane > > -----Original Message----- > From: norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On > Behalf Of David Cullingford > Sent: 03 December 2011 15:03 > To: NORFOLK@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NFK] Interested in anyone researching CUSTANCE-STOREY, > LIVOCK-STOREY, RANT, TOWNSHEND, PRIOR etc all in/around Norwich > > Hi > > I'm currently researching around the Norwich area? I'm interested in > connecting with anyone researching the same families/surnames. > > John Prior (B circa 1755) married Lydia (surname?) around 1773 > John Custance (b1765) married Lydia Prior (b1774) in 1794 > Timothy Townshend (B circa 1775) married Elizabeth Rant (b1773 Heigham) in > 1795 > Jonathan Custance (b1805 Heigham) married Mary Townshend (b1803, Heigham) > in > ? > Elizabeth Ellinor Custance (b1828 Heigham) married William Livock Storey > (b1822 Norwich) in 1846 (they moved to Newmarket before returning to St > Paul > s, Norwich). > John Custance Storey (b1855 Norwich) married Charlotte Ann Howman (b1848 > Lakenham) in 1878 > > I have a lot more info in the tree, these are just my direct line going > back > to 5 times great grandparents. > > If these are in your family tree then please get in touch. I know the > Custances are a notable family from the area. I'm not after lookups and I > ve access to most records including freereg, LDS etc > > Regards > > David > > > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Were you roots from Cley ? Have you seen the ebay entry on 'Hudson' ? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NORFOLK-ITEMS-Over-20-relating-CLEY-HALL-HUDSON-family-ETC-/350512637407?pt=UK_Collectables_Photographs_MJ&hash=item519c2e65df Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: <Treetopsfarm@aol.com> To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 4:41 PM Subject: [NFK] Similar Forums > Does anyone know of similar forums in other areas of the UK? I am trying > to tie up my Norfolk Hudsons with Hudsons in Yorkshire, and there is > NOTHING available. > > Richard > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Wow Pam, Thanks a lot! That'll keep me quiet during this coming (wet) week! Richard In a message dated 12/12/2011 17:06:25 GMT Standard Time, pam@five-oaks.co.uk writes: http://www.genuki.org.uk/indexes/MailingLists.html http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~jfuller/gen_mail_country-unk-eng.html http://lists5.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/ should give you plenty to look at. :) And in the latter URL, there's a surname list, with a mailing list for Hudson. Pam Proud to be a member of Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk/ (and Norfolk Family History Society http://www.norfolkfhs.org.uk/) On 12/12/2011 16:41, Treetopsfarm@aol.com wrote: > Does anyone know of similar forums in other areas of the UK? I am trying > to tie up my Norfolk Hudsons with Hudsons in Yorkshire, and there is > NOTHING available. > > Richard > > ------------------------------- > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone know of similar forums in other areas of the UK? I am trying to tie up my Norfolk Hudsons with Hudsons in Yorkshire, and there is NOTHING available. Richard

Dear fellow Listers, My, Bergh Apton born, gt gt grandfather was a mariner who drowned at sea according to family lore - and the fact he was deceased when his baby son was Christened in 1844. Thanks to the newly available: http://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/ I have tracked down the day his boat went missing and "great fears were entertained for the safety of....".9th December 1843 I have been looking for any news for the past 20 years so this has been quite a breakthrough. I also found reports of hundreds of similar tragedies where sometimes the crew are named. I was then able to find earlier reports of happier times when his boat arrived safely home - from France (which was news to me) laden with apples, onions and furniture. Best wishes, Jane researching BLAKE;NICHOLS in Norfolk http://www.kosmoid.net/roots/index.htm

Well, duh. I forgot to paste the article in. Here is it is: From the Bristol Gazette, March 26, 1846-- “Seaman drowned.-- On Monday sen’night a gale of wind, from the south west, blew with great force. At eight o’clock the Swift steamer, a fine sea boat left Cumberland Basin, with a number of passengers. On reaching Kingroad, the jib was hoisted, and all was well, though the waves towered alarmingly, till she came within about three quarters of a mile to the eastward of Goldcliff, the wind then increasing to almost overwhelming violence, and the waves alarming to the passengers, many of whom momentarily expected a doom beneath the waters. Captain Parfitt seeing that the Swift would not bear the jib, ordered it to be hauled in, and when the sail was about half down, a tremendous sea struck the vessel forward, shivering the canvases and filling the fore-deck with water. John Bowtray [Bowhey] and John Phillips went out on the boom to stow the jib, when a second sea broke half jib stay up, and washed one of them overboard. Poor Bowtray [Bowhey] wore an oilskin coat buttoned at the waist and the water forcing its way under the garment lifted him from the boom, as it is supposed, and he being to leeward, was probably struck by the paddle-wheel, as his head was never seen above the waves. Phillips fortunately had his leg hitched in the head rail, and was rescued from his perilous situation. The mate, Charles Wareham, was forced, with the jib-sheet in one hand, holding by the bits with the other , to wade up to his waist in water, to try what could be done in the emergency. The water on the foredeck was level with the rail and the captain was engaged lifting the boards at the paddle-shaft, in order to let the water run aft and out of the paddle shaft, in order to let the water run aft and out of the accommodation gangway. The engine was making from 29 to 30 revolutions a minute; and on hearing the dismal cry-- “A man overboard, “the captain called out, “Stop her;” but every one being actively engaged, the word was not passed to the engineer. The captain ran aft for the boat, and saw the hand of poor Bowtray above water, about twenty yards from the stern, and immediately lost sight of it; it was again seen more distant, and was perceived no more; and even had the boat been got out, it could not have lived in such a sea as was then running; -- indeed it was with the greatest difficulty the Swift was saved from going ashore under Gold cliff, part of her paddle box was carried away in the gale, her windows were smashed, and a considerable portion of the furniture of the vessel was knocked about and much damaged. The alarm of the passengers was extreme. The deceased had sailed with Captain Parfitt nearly four years, and was well respected for his steadiness and general good conduct by all who knew him. The poor fellow has left a wife and seven small children destitute by his death. “ Explanation of some of the terms here: Goldcliff - is a village on the Welsh coast, opposite Bristol. '...broke half jib stay up" - the full phrase is ' a...sea broke half jib stay up'. The jib stay is the rope which runs from the bowsprit to the foremast and can be used to carry the jib sail; for a sea to break half way up this effectively means half way up the foremast. ' ..holding by the bits' - the bits or bitts are strong wooden or metal uprights used for securing ropes, usually anchor cables. (Hence the expression 'to the bitter end' meaning to run out the rope until there is no more to let go) As to the oilskin coat - the ones I have seen were very long (almost to the ankle) and would usually be buttoned down to the waist.

How wonderful for you. I'm ready to dance around for you, and I don't even know you because I had a similar experience. I was able to track down the death of my ggggrandfather , John Bowhey, at sea, March 16, 1846 by using crew lists, then went to Bristol (and I live in California) and found a newspaper account of the death which is very precious to me. The thought of being able to learn so much about his life and death had not been in my wildest dreams. My ancestors were all ag labs, cordwainers and a few mariners, so I had not expected to find much beyond dates. Here's the final sentence of the newspaper article about his death: "The poor fellow has left a wife and seven small children destitute by his death." That sentence was sadly prophetic-- one girl died at 16 of consumption, another son left a huge destitute family in London, and became a bigamist who moved to Wales. another son's young family ended up in workhouse after he and his wife died of typhus-- two of tho! se daughters were sent to Canada, and my own gggrandmother left her husband in Wales because he drank too much, emigrated to the US with the Mormons and married a Mormon polygamist (while still married to the man in Wales). My Norfolk ancestors were more upstanding. :) However, my point here is that it's so amazing what we can find now with the aid of the internet and internet communities like this. You may be able to find more about your mariner ancestor by looking at ship's crew lists, and it would not be difficult since you know the name of the ship. The list will tell you what ship he came from You could also look for a seaman's ticket and even may find a physical description there. The crew lists may show you what food was provided for the trip, or the cargo, and will show destinations for each voyage. It will take a bit of time to go through them and understand the organization, but since you know a name of a ship, the port and the year, you've got the information to narrow it down a great deal. Here is the reference for the film from the LDS Family History Library where I found my ancestor BT 98/874 Bristol O-Z 1846 VAULT BRITISH Film 910417. The BT number is from the National Archives so you could look there for more information about how to search the series and what it contains. I found that my ancestor had been on several early steamers, and noticed that when he changed ships, he frequently changed with a group of old friend and family. The newspaper account of his death mentioned those names on the ship. Here's the information from his seaman's ticket to give you an example of why that's worth looking for: British Transcript 113/41 Public Record office FHL British film 182535 > Name and Description > No. of 81117 Register Ticket > John Bowhey > Born at Dartmouth In the > County of Devon 23 day of June 1812 > Capacity Seaman > Height 5 ft 7 in > Complexion Dark > Marks none > Hair Brown > Eyes Hazel > First went to sea as Apprentice > in the Year 1827 > Has served in the Royal Navy No > Has been in Foreign Service No > When unemployed, resides at Bristol > Issued at Newport 9 day of Dec 1844 > Age in 1841 33 > Age when Ticketed 32 > Can write Yes I'll paste in the newspaper article at the end of this email in case you're interested. Congratulations on the find! Paula On Dec 12, 2011, at 1:41 AM, Jane Kelly wrote: > Dear fellow Listers, > > My, Bergh Apton born, gt gt grandfather was a mariner who drowned at sea > according to family lore - and the fact he was deceased when his baby son > was Christened in 1844. Thanks to the newly available: > http://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/ > I have tracked down the day his boat went missing and "great fears were > entertained for the safety of....".9th December 1843 > I have been looking for any news for the past 20 years so this has been > quite a breakthrough. I also found reports of hundreds of similar tragedies > where sometimes the crew are named. > > I was then able to find earlier reports of happier times when his boat > arrived safely home - from France (which was news to me) laden with apples, > onions and furniture. > > Best wishes, > > Jane > researching > BLAKE;NICHOLS in Norfolk > http://www.kosmoid.net/roots/index.htm

More about the church here: http://www.norfolkchurches.co.uk/gynicholas/gynicholas.htm On 11/12/2011 19:56, Honor wrote: > > From the Yarmouth Mercury. www.greatyarmouthmercury.co.uk > > The new full title for St Nicholas Church is The Minster Church of St Nicholas, Great Yarmouth. > > The short write-up about the history is quite good. > Honor. Vanc. Island. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >