David I can't recall if we have corresponded before, but I have compiled a very extensive pedigree of the Fransham family of Shotesham/Halvergate and have had contact with many descendants over the years. Some former researchers thought that this Fransham family was connected with my own Fransham ancestors (of Norwich) but I disproved the supposed link - much to the disgust of some of them - and haven't yet managed to establish whether or not they link up further back in time. David ________________________________ From: David Scott <david972scott@btinternet.com> To: norfolk@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, 21 December 2011, 9:33 Subject: [NFK] New Member - Introduction Hullo ,I'm a new member to this group, though I have been researching our family for thirty years (am I really that old!)  My family ranges from Perthshire to Kent, but mainly in the Scottish Borders, while my wife's is almost totally in Norfolk and Suffolk, with the odd trip to India (army) and Tasmania (criminal). The Norfolk names we are interested in are as follows:- Smith (soldiers), or somewhere in Norfolk Moss, of Halvergate Fransham, of Halvergate Divers of Blofield, and one who went to VDL Harding, of Blofield Dankins/Darkins?Dorkins, of Aldeby Snowling of Aldeby Godbold of Burgh Durrant of Blofield Jones of Halvergate Pyle of Acle Fitt of Blofield Woodhouse of Cawston and many more! If anyone recognises any of these, I should love to hear from you, David Scott. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have Woodhouse from Cawston. John Woodhouse c.1800 Karen ________________________________ From: David Scott <david972scott@btinternet.com> To: norfolk@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, 21 December 2011, 9:33 Subject: [NFK] New Member - Introduction Hullo ,I'm a new member to this group, though I have been researching our family for thirty years (am I really that old!)  My family ranges from Perthshire to Kent, but mainly in the Scottish Borders, while my wife's is almost totally in Norfolk and Suffolk, with the odd trip to India (army) and Tasmania (criminal). The Norfolk names we are interested in are as follows:- Smith (soldiers), or somewhere in Norfolk Moss, of Halvergate Fransham, of Halvergate Divers of Blofield, and one who went to VDL Harding, of Blofield Dankins/Darkins?Dorkins, of Aldeby Snowling of Aldeby Godbold of Burgh Durrant of Blofield Jones of Halvergate Pyle of Acle Fitt of Blofield Woodhouse of Cawston and many more! If anyone recognises any of these, I should love to hear from you, David Scott. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hullo ,I'm a new member to this group, though I have been researching our family for thirty years (am I really that old!) My family ranges from Perthshire to Kent, but mainly in the Scottish Borders, while my wife's is almost totally in Norfolk and Suffolk, with the odd trip to India (army) and Tasmania (criminal). The Norfolk names we are interested in are as follows:- Smith (soldiers), or somewhere in Norfolk Moss, of Halvergate Fransham, of Halvergate Divers of Blofield, and one who went to VDL Harding, of Blofield Dankins/Darkins?Dorkins, of Aldeby Snowling of Aldeby Godbold of Burgh Durrant of Blofield Jones of Halvergate Pyle of Acle Fitt of Blofield Woodhouse of Cawston and many more! If anyone recognises any of these, I should love to hear from you, David Scott.

I have many Fitts from Norwich starting with my father. Sent from my iPhone On 2011-12-21, at 1:33 AM, David Scott <david972scott@btinternet.com> wrote: > Hullo > ,I'm a new member to this group, though I have been researching our family for thirty years (am I really that old!) My family ranges from Perthshire to Kent, but mainly in the Scottish Borders, while my wife's is almost totally in Norfolk and Suffolk, with the odd trip to India (army) and Tasmania (criminal). > > The Norfolk names we are interested in are as follows:- > > Smith (soldiers), or somewhere in Norfolk > > Moss, of Halvergate > > Fransham, of Halvergate > > Divers of Blofield, and one who went to VDL > > Harding, of Blofield > > Dankins/Darkins?Dorkins, of Aldeby > > Snowling of Aldeby > > Godbold of Burgh > > Durrant of Blofield > > Jones of Halvergate > > Pyle of Acle > > Fitt of Blofield > > Woodhouse of Cawston > > and many more! > > If anyone recognises any of these, I should love to hear from you, > > David Scott. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There is a 1721 death of a Hugh Harbor in Buxton - copy of original PR sent off list. The Prs for Stratton Strawless are online at Family Search but no Harbord baps 1682 -95 HTH Jean 20 December 2011 10:45, <Treetopsfarm@aol.com> wrote: > I am satisfied that Sir Charles dates are correct, but I am trying to > confirm the others. There are several trees showing the same dates, but > they > all seem to have got them from another tree. I cannot discover where the > original source of the dates etc. is. > > Richard > > > > >

so this is correct? have a Hugh Harbord, possibly as follows:- (1854-1721), Norfolk ----- Original Message ----- From: <Treetopsfarm@aol.com> To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [NFK] Help with a Harbord >I am satisfied that Sir Charles dates are correct, but I am trying to > confirm the others. There are several trees showing the same dates, but > they > all seem to have got them from another tree. I cannot discover where the > original source of the dates etc. is. > > Richard > > > In a message dated 20/12/2011 10:14:52 GMT Standard Time, > atgn@elder53.plus.com writes: > > are dates correct > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Treetopsfarm@aol.com> > To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 8:48 PM > Subject: [NFK] Help with a Harbord > > >> Hi all, >> >> I have a Hugh Harbord, possibly as follows:- (1854-1721), Norfolk, son >> of >> William "The Somerset" Harbord, who was born either 1620 or some >> documents >> say 1635 in Norfolk. He was the son of Sir Charles harbord born Wraxall >> Somerset in1596; died Marshfield, Glocs. in 1679. I cannot find >> corroberative documentation for Hugh's dates, nor the death of William, >> and evidence of >> Hugh's marriage or children, other than other trees. >> Hugh is supposed to have married Sara Coman and had issue William >> (1682-1744) in Stratton Strawless, Norfolk. >> >> This is the problem of copying anyone else'e tree! >> >> >> Richard >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

are dates correct ----- Original Message ----- From: <Treetopsfarm@aol.com> To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 8:48 PM Subject: [NFK] Help with a Harbord > Hi all, > > I have a Hugh Harbord, possibly as follows:- (1854-1721), Norfolk, son > of > William "The Somerset" Harbord, who was born either 1620 or some > documents > say 1635 in Norfolk. He was the son of Sir Charles harbord born Wraxall > Somerset in1596; died Marshfield, Glocs. in 1679. I cannot find > corroberative documentation for Hugh's dates, nor the death of William, > and evidence of > Hugh's marriage or children, other than other trees. > Hugh is supposed to have married Sara Coman and had issue William > (1682-1744) in Stratton Strawless, Norfolk. > > This is the problem of copying anyone else'e tree! > > > Richard > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi David & Listers ! Most people in this country (including myself many years ago !) tend to think that leprosy was a disease only found in hot countries - but this is not true as it was quite widespread in many parts of Europe. I have always been very interested in Scandinavia, especially Norway, and I was very surprised many years ago when on holiday in Bergen on the west coast to see that the map from the Tourist Office included among its list of the many museums in that city a "Leprosy Hospital Museum" ! This I had to see, and the visit opened my eyes and my mind to the fact that the disease was not at all confined to hot countries in what we now call 'The Third World' ! The main discoverer of the causes of leprosy was a Norwegian doctor named Gerhard Henrik Armauer Hansen and Norway issued a stamp in his honour in February 1973 to celebrate the Centenary of the discovery; it shows him looking down a microscope at the bacillus, So If leprosy could be a problem in Bergen, Norway I should think it would be very likely to occur in Norwich as well - there was a lot of trade between the two especially through the Hanseatic port at Kings Lynn. I hope this helps your research ! Roger. ---------------------- On 19 Dec 2011, at 19:22, David Cullingford wrote: > Going through the parish registers of St Clements in Norwich I've > frequently > come across the term "Lazar" against people buried. Not having come > across this term before I Googled it and it told me that Lazar was an > antiquated term for Leper? Reading further I see that there were > quite a few > Lazar houses around the city. One such hospital became the Lazar > House > Library in the city, now a community building after cutbacks. I've > also noted > many burials of people being "from the gate", presumably because > these were > people either poor, diseased or not of the parish and therefore not > permitted to > enter? Any comments on this welcomed. They're an interesting > record of life > back then these registers. >

Thanks Jean, I knew someone would be clever enough to come up with something Richard In a message dated 20/12/2011 14:06:20 GMT Standard Time, jeangreenwood@virginmedia.com writes: There is a 1721 death of a Hugh Harbor in Buxton - copy of original PR sent off list. The Prs for Stratton Strawless are online at Family Search but no Harbord baps 1682 -95 HTH Jean 20 December 2011 10:45, <Treetopsfarm@aol.com> wrote: > I am satisfied that Sir Charles dates are correct, but I am trying to > confirm the others. There are several trees showing the same dates, but > they > all seem to have got them from another tree. I cannot discover where the > original source of the dates etc. is. > > Richard > > > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am satisfied that Sir Charles dates are correct, but I am trying to confirm the others. There are several trees showing the same dates, but they all seem to have got them from another tree. I cannot discover where the original source of the dates etc. is. Richard In a message dated 20/12/2011 10:14:52 GMT Standard Time, atgn@elder53.plus.com writes: are dates correct ----- Original Message ----- From: <Treetopsfarm@aol.com> To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 8:48 PM Subject: [NFK] Help with a Harbord > Hi all, > > I have a Hugh Harbord, possibly as follows:- (1854-1721), Norfolk, son > of > William "The Somerset" Harbord, who was born either 1620 or some > documents > say 1635 in Norfolk. He was the son of Sir Charles harbord born Wraxall > Somerset in1596; died Marshfield, Glocs. in 1679. I cannot find > corroberative documentation for Hugh's dates, nor the death of William, > and evidence of > Hugh's marriage or children, other than other trees. > Hugh is supposed to have married Sara Coman and had issue William > (1682-1744) in Stratton Strawless, Norfolk. > > This is the problem of copying anyone else'e tree! > > > Richard > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for that, Roger

Sorry I must have missed the email with the answer to the question of population of Diss in 18th century Would you please send the information to me I would be very grateful. My BUSH family lived there during that time Kind regards Betty Flood familyflood@live.com -----Original Message----- From: norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Fhpriory@aol.com Sent: Monday, 19 December 2011 8:13 PM To: norfolk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NFK] Population of Diss in 18th century?-Thanks Thanks for the information and ideas PW ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Paul The parish registers of Diss have the baptism of Isaac CATTERMOWLE on 13 October 1739.Isaac was the son of Jacob and Sarah CATTERMOWLE. I also found the baptism of Edward CATERMOWL in Diss on 14 February 1737. Roger -----Original Message----- From: norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Fhpriory@aol.com Sent: 17 December 2011 12:17 To: norfolk@rootsweb.com Subject: [NFK] CAT(T)O(A)MORE/MOLE/MOULE/MOWL(E) and other variations(!) and FOX I have a connection with these names through Henry CATTERMOUL b Norwich c1781, who moved to Camberwell and married Susannah FOX (also b Norwich c1781). Father was Isaac (b1739? possibly Diss) and mother was Mary FOX (again!) Before that, I am confused, not least by the bewildering variations of the name, and would appreciate any help Thankyou Paul Windley (I would also be interested to hear of any other variations beginning CA(T)TO(A)M.........!) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Going through the parish registers of St Clements in Norwich I've frequently came across the term "Lazar" against people buried. Not having come across this term before I Googled it and it told me that Lazar was an antiquated term for Leper? Reading further I see that there were quite a few Lazar houses around the city. One such hospital became the Lazar House Library in the city, now a community building after cutbacks. I've also noted many burials of people being "from the gate", presumably because these were people either poor, diseased or not of the parish and therefore not permitted to enter? Any comments on this welcomed. They're an interesting record of life back then these registers.

Thank you Geoffrey and Richard, I would never have known that my misspelling was not incorrect after all, recipe and receipt are both correct. I wonder if Jamie Oliver ever got to the bottom of the Crosse family and if it was in fact the family of Dr. Green CROSSE. I wonder where Dr. Crosse lived, when he was practising in Norfolk. By the sounds of the Upstairs and Downstairs scenario, the home would have been very large, most likely on an Estate and with Lady this and Lady that popping in for lunch or dinner, they may have been his patients, or the circle he moved in. I posted the story from the magazine to the List, hoping that maybe a descendant was on the List, and recognised some of the names. The recipe book is large, the size of a sheet of A4, and thick. The spine is brown leather and with ribs about every 2" apart. The front and back is a dark tan ane a bit torn near the spine. What a gift for someone to find on a second hand book table at a Cooking Show. However, the big mystery is how this very valuable book ended up on the other side of the world in Melbourne, Oz. Maybe, a descendant of the Cook? Or maybe the Butler did it. Cheers Janice Belrose - Sydney ----- Original Message ----- From: <Treetopsfarm@aol.com> To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 10:37 PM Subject: Re: [NFK] CORRECTION RECIPE BOOK > Recipes in those days were known as "receipts" They even got it right > in > "Downton Abbey" where a visitor brings a "receipt"of her favourite dish > for the cook, who, suffering from eye problems can't read it ..... and > drama > ensues. I'm sure Jamie know that. > > Richard > > > In a message dated 18/12/2011 10:13:34 GMT Standard Time, > adoughty01@optusnet.com.au writes: > > Hello Listers, > > I note in my last emial I have the antique book, which Jamie Oliver's > friend purchased for him in Melbourne as a thank you gift, as a > handwritten > RECEIPT book. I meant a handwritten RECIPE book. I very much doubt > Jamie > Oliver would get over exited about receiving a receipt book. > > Cheers > Janice > Belrose - Sydney > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi all, I have a Hugh Harbord, possibly as follows:- (1854-1721), Norfolk, son of William "The Somerset" Harbord, who was born either 1620 or some documents say 1635 in Norfolk. He was the son of Sir Charles harbord born Wraxall Somerset in1596; died Marshfield, Glocs. in 1679. I cannot find corroberative documentation for Hugh's dates, nor the death of William, and evidence of Hugh's marriage or children, other than other trees. Hugh is supposed to have married Sara Coman and had issue William (1682-1744) in Stratton Strawless, Norfolk. This is the problem of copying anyone else'e tree! Richard

Thanks for the information and ideas PW

Hello Listers, I note in my last emial I have the antique book, which Jamie Oliver's friend purchased for him in Melbourne as a thank you gift, as a handwritten RECEIPT book. I meant a handwritten RECIPE book. I very much doubt Jamie Oliver would get over exited about receiving a receipt book. Cheers Janice Belrose - Sydney

Good afternoon Listers, I am still working on the Walpole family and finding many branches with the help of some very helpful Listers. In the meantime I thought I should pass this very interesting article on to the List. In Sept 2002 appearing in a glossy recipe Magazine in Australia called "Delicious" there is an interview with Jamie Oliver the "Naked Chef". He was speaking about helping to launch a "Good Food Show" in Melbourne, Down Under. His friend who runs the show purchased an old book for sale at the show, as a thank your for Jamie's help. Here then is the story Jamie tells:- The book was a handwritten receipt collection from a NORFOLK family, dating back to 1730. Jamie had no idea how this book wound up in Australia. When he first saw the book, he couldn't help thinking, that is could be a forgery. However, he soon realised that it was the real thing: smelling of old moth balls, the brown suede jacket all torn, as shiny as plastic in the spots where cooking fat and liquids had been spilt on it, while the cooks were at work. It was all beautifully handwritten in black ink on yellowing parchment paper. (In the magazine there is a photograph of Jamie holding the book, and it could be mistaken for a bible. The suede is dark tan colour). There is a name on the front and a signature written on the inside cover - John CROSSE, and there is a kind of crest with a stage and the name GORDON underneath. Jamie was hoping that was anyone out there, who knew of the family or how the book ended up in Australia. To continue, he says by the notes in the margins it looks like an upstairs-downstairs scenario. Many of the recipes are from a Mrs BRIDGES. There is one from Lady this others from Lady that, one from Mrs ROSE, Mother CROSSE'S maid and a Mrs. TURNER as lived with LADY CARTORETT. He is blown away by the use of herbs and spices, both for cooking and in herbal remedies. So if anyone out there recognise this family. I am sure Jamie still has this wonderful find and would love to hear the history of the CROSSE family, who once owned this collectable and ancient book of hand written recipes and cures. Cheers Janice Belrose - Sydney

The earliest I can find is from the 1801 census, when it was 2,246. -------------------------------------------------- From: <Fhpriory@aol.com> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 10:51 PM To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Subject: [NFK] Population of Diss in 18th century? > Does anyone know what the population of Diss might have been in the 18th > century? > > Thanks > Paul Windley > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >