Lesley. I have him from Great Moulton so we're talking about the same person Dave

Hi, sometimes an ancestor is simply lurking under a hideously mis interpreted name . Northcott on the Devon list entered into the 1861 census ( ancestry) as Morthcost ........never in a million years would I have thought to look at that !!!! and then there is the abbreviation , Mr Northcott was Wm in ancestry`s index, so being case sensitive the name William was all the index looked for ....... perhaps Eliz , Elizth , and a variation of Blake may help , Black , or just an * in the place of the k ?? Or for both Tennant and Blake , maybe the freecen site and the freereg site may help ? life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "David and Janet Tennant" <d_jtennant@sympatico.ca> To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [NFK] Elizabeth Blake died 1846 > Somewhere in the past I have come across a reference to a website where > unwanted certificates can be posted. I think this is the URL: > www.*certificate*-exchange.co.*uk*/ > > Re your problem., I think that many of us have relatives who appear to > have been abducted by aliens! I have spent most of the past 2 weeks > looking for a trace of a relative of mine, a Charles Tennant, of whom > there seems to be absolutely no trace after his appearance on the 1861 > census at Starston. No apparent BMD entries so did he too emigrate? I'll > likely never know. > Dave > On 12/23/2011 7:35 AM, Jane Kelly wrote: >> >> Does anyone know of a suitable place to put wrong certificates or perhaps >> this is the right one for someone else? >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Jane >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Jane Norfolk Family History Soc. Kirby hall, 70 St Giles St. Norwich NR2 1LS have a collection of unwanted certs. and I am sure would welcome yours as it is Norfolk related. Graham On 23/12/2011 13:45, David and Janet Tennant wrote: > Somewhere in the past I have come across a reference to a website where > unwanted certificates can be posted. I think this is the URL: > www.*certificate*-exchange.co.*uk*/ > > Re your problem., I think that many of us have relatives who appear to > have been abducted by aliens! I have spent most of the past 2 weeks > looking for a trace of a relative of mine, a Charles Tennant, of whom > there seems to be absolutely no trace after his appearance on the 1861 > census at Starston. No apparent BMD entries so did he too emigrate? I'll > likely never know. > Dave > On 12/23/2011 7:35 AM, Jane Kelly wrote: >> Does anyone know of a suitable place to put wrong certificates or perhaps >> this is the right one for someone else? >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Jane >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Jean Thanks for that. I think the later Tennant presence in Starston was only in the form of a female Tennant, Rebecca, marriage to a Daniel Danby . Charles's and Rebecca's father, James Tennant, died in Starston in 1860. Jame's wife, also a Rebecca, was buried in Starston in 1894 In 1881 she was living with her son in law in Benhall Suffolk. Most of my Tennant males in the 1800 seemed to meet an early death. My GGF died at 37, the aforementioned James was 52 and two of his sons died in their 40 s so Charles could have met the same fate although his death doesn't seem to have been recorded. I'll keep plugging away! Dave On 12/23/2011 12:14 PM, Jean Greenwood wrote: > Dave > > I have film of 1871 census on CD and just checked though Starston - > regret no Tennants. > > Cheers > Jean > > On 23 December 2011 16:09, David and Janet Tennant > <d_jtennant@sympatico.ca> wrote: >> Elizabeth >> The recent notice from Bev that 1861 census transcription for Norfolk >> was now complete enabled me to find my Charles Tennant b 1837 in >> Starston. I haven't access to the 1871 census so don't know if he >> appears there but certainly not on the 1881. Nothing on FreeREG as yet. >> Dave >> On 12/23/2011 9:12 AM, elizabeth howard wrote: >>

Hi list i see some posted surnames earlier so i hope this is ok to do, Terrington Batterbee June

I have had good luck by entering in the search boxes only the given name (no last name), or no given name only a last name, an approximate age, plus sometimes the birth parish or just the birth county, and the suspected parish, or county for the census location. Trolling through the results, I have usually found the person (with a badly scrambled indexed name). Of course, a less common name and/or a smaller parish helps! On FreeBMD, also try just the first name, the time period between two censuses, the county, and look for a recognizable surname. On the early census indexes that were available online, I had found a "cousin" on a prison ship. Later, I tried to find him again on Ancestry.com indexes - no luck, even on searching just on first name "William." I went through the entire prison ship census, and found him, as "Wm." and a scrambled indexed last name, so do try any possible abbreviations of given names. Though I found one, first name Charles, who was clearly written as "Charlish" in the passenger list, along with a misspelling of his last name (I wondered, did he lisp or was he drunk??), found only by the information that his nephew was on the same ship - I found the nephew and then searched the whole passenger list. Ruth USA From: KIM QUILTS Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 9:13 AM To: norfolk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NFK] INVISIBLE ANCESTORS (adding my SADD as I reply) I would be very interested in knowing how you located the Northcott, aka, Morthcost. What a difference. I am always looking for ideas to track my GG grandfather John Sadd, lived in Norwich, and I presume died there between 1841 and 1851. I have tried all sorts of name variations, checked all the usual records... Always looking for another idea to try. I have all his family on the census from 1841, where he is also, then he is gone, while the census records continue for the rest of the family. Also, following 1841 there are no other children born, and the family was in the workhouse, 2 other reasons to think he was dead. His death is a mystery, I have done GRO searches and at the NRO, nothing. Perhaps the death was not registered or he died unidentified, or a number of other possibilities. To make the situation more challenging, he was married at St Michael at Thorn, that church and most of the records were destroyed in the 2nd world war. Any new search ideas gratefully accepted. I have not listed all I have done, just in case someone has a new or differently stated idea, giving rise to a new thought process for me in the search. Thanks and Merry Christmas Kim ----- Original Message ----- From: elizabeth howard <elizgh@btinternet.com> Date: Friday, December 23, 2011 7:13 am Subject: [NFK] INVISIBLE ANCESTORS To: norfolk@rootsweb.com > Hi, sometimes an ancestor is simply lurking under a hideously > mis interpreted name . Northcott on the Devon list entered > into the 1861 > census ( ancestry) as Morthcost ........never in a million > years would I > have thought to look at that !!!! and then there is > the abbreviation , Mr > Northcott was Wm in ancestry`s index, so being case > sensitive the name > William was all the index looked for ....... perhaps Eliz > , Elizth , and a > variation of Blake may help , Black , or just an * in the place > of the k ?? > Or for both Tennant and Blake , maybe the freecen site and the > freereg site may help ? > > > > life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David and Janet Tennant" <d_jtennant@sympatico.ca> > To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 1:45 PM > Subject: Re: [NFK] Elizabeth Blake died 1846 > > > > Somewhere in the past I have come across a reference to a > website where > > unwanted certificates can be posted. I think this is the URL: > > www.*certificate*-exchange.co.*uk*/ > > > > Re your problem., I think that many of us have relatives who > appear to > > have been abducted by aliens! I have spent most of the past 2 weeks > > looking for a trace of a relative of mine, a Charles Tennant, > of whom > > there seems to be absolutely no trace after his appearance on > the 1861 > > census at Starston. No apparent BMD entries so did he too > emigrate? I'll > > likely never know. > > Dave > > On 12/23/2011 7:35 AM, Jane Kelly wrote: > >> > >> Does anyone know of a suitable place to put wrong > certificates or perhaps > >> this is the right one for someone else? > >> > >> Best wishes, > >> > >> Jane > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

wrong certificate but none-the-less interesting and sad. I decided to send for what I thought must be the death of my 3 x g grandmother in Loddon 1846. It seemed the only one possible as she was last seen alive on the 1841 census at Hales by the green, a farmer's widow aged 50 with her sister's family the SHARDALOWs. The certificate arrived today and it is for a 29yr old woman who died at Thurton, married to Charles BLAKE a labourer. The Coroner informed that she died from diarrhoea and natural causes and Not from an act of violence! I have mixed feelings. I can only think that my Elizabeth left the area or maybe was not registered or even possibly emigrated, although her only surviving child at that time was still serving time in a penal colony in Van Diemans land or Norfolk Island. But he was pardoned in 1849! Does anyone know of a suitable place to put wrong certificates or perhaps this is the right one for someone else? Best wishes, Jane ----- Original Message ----- From: <norfolk-request@rootsweb.com> To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 8:00 AM Subject: NORFOLK Digest, Vol 6, Issue 397 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Marriage in church whether baptised/christened or not? > (Pauline & Arthur Kennedy) > 2. Re: Marriage in church whether baptised/christened or not? > (Brad Rogers) > 3. names (Lisa Dayley) > 4. updating norfolk names (norfolk12@aol.com) > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To contact the NORFOLK list administrator, send an email to > NORFOLK-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the NORFOLK mailing list, send an email to > NORFOLK@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. >

Thanks. I will check my research log to see if I have searched for Jno instead of John. If I haven't I will shortly. As a side note: I keep track of these ideas and share them when I help others with their family history, as I am sure you all do also. The pebble of information spreads wide. Kim ----- Original Message ----- From: Ruth Dunlap <rdunlap@tsf.net> Date: Friday, December 23, 2011 11:45 am Subject: [NFK] Census searches (was Re:  INVISIBLE ANCESTORS -SADD) To: norfolk@rootsweb.com > I have had good luck by entering in the search boxes only the > given name (no last name), or no given name only a last name, an > approximate age,  plus sometimes the birth parish or just > the birth county, and the suspected parish, or county for the > census location.  Trolling through the results, I have > usually found the person (with a badly scrambled indexed > name).  Of course, a less common name and/or a smaller > parish helps!  On FreeBMD, also try just the first name, > the time period between two censuses, the county, and look for a > recognizable surname. > > On the early census indexes that were available online, I had > found a "cousin" on a prison ship.  Later, I tried to find > him again on Ancestry.com indexes - no luck, even on searching > just on first name "William."  I went through the entire > prison ship census, and found him, as "Wm." and a scrambled > indexed last name, so do try any possible abbreviations of given > names.  Though I found one, first name Charles, who was > clearly written as "Charlish"   in the passenger list, > along with a misspelling of his last name (I wondered, did he > lisp or was he drunk??), found only by the information that his > nephew was on the same ship - I found the nephew and then > searched the whole passenger list. > Ruth > USA  > > > From: KIM QUILTS > Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 9:13 AM > To: norfolk@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NFK] INVISIBLE ANCESTORS (adding my SADD as I reply) > > > > I would be very interested in knowing how you located the > Northcott, aka, Morthcost. What a difference. > > I am always looking for ideas to track my GG grandfather John > Sadd, lived in Norwich, and I presume died there between 1841 > and 1851. I have tried all sorts of name variations, checked all > the usual records... Always looking for another idea to try. I > have all his family on the census from 1841, where he is also, > then he is gone, while the census records continue for the rest > of the family. Also, following 1841 there are no other children > born, and the family was in the workhouse, 2 other reasons to > think he was dead. > > His death is a mystery, I have done GRO searches and at the NRO, > nothing. Perhaps the death was not registered or he died > unidentified, or a number of other possibilities. > To make the situation more challenging, he was married at St > Michael at Thorn, that church and most of the records were > destroyed in the 2nd world war. > > Any new search ideas gratefully accepted. I have not listed all > I have done, just in case someone has a new or differently > stated idea, giving rise to a new thought process for me in the > search. > > Thanks and Merry Christmas > Kim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: elizabeth howard <elizgh@btinternet.com> > Date: Friday, December 23, 2011 7:13 am > Subject: [NFK] INVISIBLE ANCESTORS > To: norfolk@rootsweb.com > > >             Hi,   sometimes an ancestor is simply lurking under a hideously > > mis interpreted name .  Northcott on the Devon list > entered > > into the 1861 > > census  ( ancestry) as Morthcost ........never in a > million > > years would I > > have thought to look at that !!!!   and then there > is > > the abbreviation , Mr > > Northcott was Wm in ancestry`s index,  so being case > > sensitive the name > > William was all the index looked for .......  perhaps > Eliz > > , Elizth , and a > > variation of Blake may help , Black , or just an * in the > place > > of the k ?? > >             Or for both Tennant and Blake , maybe the freecen site and the > > freereg site may help ? > > > > > > > > life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "David and Janet Tennant" <d_jtennant@sympatico.ca> > > To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 1:45 PM > > Subject: Re: [NFK] Elizabeth Blake died 1846 > > > > > > > Somewhere in the past I have come across a reference to a > > website where > > > unwanted certificates can be posted. I think this is the URL: > > > www.*certificate*-exchange.co.*uk*/ > > > > > > Re your problem., I think that many of us have relatives who > > appear to > > > have been abducted by aliens! I have spent most of the past > 2 weeks > > > looking for a trace of a relative of mine, a Charles > Tennant, > > of whom > > > there seems to be absolutely no trace after his appearance > on > > the 1861 > > > census at Starston. No apparent BMD entries so did he too > > emigrate? I'll > > > likely never know. > > > Dave > > > On 12/23/2011 7:35 AM, Jane Kelly wrote: > > >> > > >> Does anyone know of a suitable place to put wrong > > certificates or perhaps > > >> this is the right one for someone else? > > >> > > >> Best wishes, > > >> > > >> Jane > > >> > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > >  > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK- > > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >   > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have an Elizabeth Webb who married William Girdlestone. You can see their picture on my webpage at http://www.webspawner.com/users/westenskow/williamandeliza.html. Information on any Webb family would be appreciated. Sincerely, Lisa Dayley Burley Idaho USA On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 1:44 AM, Robert Webb <robert@robw1.plus.com> wrote: > Hi Lisa > My Webb family roots are in Kings Lynn before 1840. As you may be aware > there have been Webb families in Kings Lynn since the 1600's and would be > interested to know your interest. > best wishes for Christmas > Robert Webb > -----Original Message----- > From: Lisa Dayley > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 6:35 PM > To: norfolk@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NFK] names > > Dear Listers: > Looking to update my surname list. > I am researching the following names and would appreciate any help you > could provide me. Am always searching for the following: GIRDLESTONE, > GIRLING, GIRDLER, BETTS, FULLER, HEWLETTE, PROUDFOOT, WEBB, HUNT, > KIDDLE/KITTLE > Any help would be greatly appreciated for any of this names in their > various forms. > Merry Christmas > Lisa Dayley > Burley, Idaho good ole' USA > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Elizabeth The recent notice from Bev that 1861 census transcription for Norfolk was now complete enabled me to find my Charles Tennant b 1837 in Starston. I haven't access to the 1871 census so don't know if he appears there but certainly not on the 1881. Nothing on FreeREG as yet. Dave On 12/23/2011 9:12 AM, elizabeth howard wrote: > > v > Or for both Tennant and Blake , maybe the freecen site and the > freereg site may help ? > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Thank you for your reply. This death is certainly the most plausible. The death certificate states that the cause of death is concussion of the brain (suddenly). The informant is the coroner. Because of that, any family connection is not recorded. I have obtained a copy of the report of the accident as recorded in the Norfolk Chronicle and Gazette that describes in quite good detail the altercation where Sadd was struck on the head, fall backwards, striking his head against a bagatelle board, falling to the floor and never moving again. Poor George that struck him! It appears that he was frustrated and wanted Sadd to just be quiet, a moment later he had caused Sadd's death. I have no doubt it was unintentional. The newspaper reports the coroner's findings is detail. One detail that is different between this John Sadd and mine is his occupation, although the family may have fallen on hard times and John had of necessity changed from a dyer to a laborer. At this time there is a fair bit of circumstantial evidence that this is "my" John Sadd. I continue to look for that elusive bit that connects him with certainty to his family. I do appreciate your input. Kim ----- Original Message ----- From: C5D <antonylambert@c5d.co.uk> Date: Friday, December 23, 2011 9:41 am Subject: Re: [NFK] INVISIBLE ANCESTORS (adding my SADD as I reply) To: norfolk@rootsweb.com > > Name:  SADD, John > Registration District:  Help  Norwich > County:   Norfolk > Year of Registration:   1843 > Quarter of Registration:   Oct-Nov-Dec > Volume No:   13 > Page No:   161 > > > > This one no good ? > > Antony > > > -----Original Message----- > From: norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:norfolk- > bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of KIM QUILTS > Sent: 23 December 2011 15:14 > To: norfolk@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NFK] INVISIBLE ANCESTORS (adding my SADD as I reply) > > > I would be very interested in knowing how you located the > Northcott, aka, > Morthcost. What a difference. > > I am always looking for ideas to track my GG grandfather John > Sadd, lived in > Norwich, and I presume died there between 1841 and 1851. I have > tried all > sorts of name variations, checked all the usual records... > Always looking > for another idea to try. I have all his family on the census > from 1841, > where he is also, then he is gone, while the census records > continue for the > rest of the family. Also, following 1841 there are no other > children born, > and the family was in the workhouse, 2 other reasons to think he > was dead. > > His death is a mystery, I have done GRO searches and at the NRO, > nothing.Perhaps the death was not registered or he died > unidentified, or a number of > other possibilities. > To make the situation more challenging, he was married at St > Michael at > Thorn, that church and most of the records were destroyed in the > 2nd world > war. > > Any new search ideas gratefully accepted. I have not listed all > I have done, > just in case someone has a new or differently stated idea, > giving rise to a > new thought process for me in the search. > > Thanks and Merry Christmas > Kim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: elizabeth howard <elizgh@btinternet.com> > Date: Friday, December 23, 2011 7:13 am > Subject: [NFK] INVISIBLE ANCESTORS > To: norfolk@rootsweb.com > > >             Hi,   sometimes an ancestor is simply lurking > under a > hideously > > mis interpreted name .  Northcott on the Devon list entered > > into the 1861 > > census  ( ancestry) as Morthcost ........never in a million > > years would I > > have thought to look at that !!!!   and then there is > > the abbreviation , Mr > > Northcott was Wm in ancestry`s index,  so being case > > sensitive the name > > William was all the index looked for .......  perhaps Eliz > > , Elizth , and a > > variation of Blake may help , Black , or just an * in the > place > > of the k ?? > >             Or for both Tennant and Blake , maybe the freecen > site and the > > > freereg site may help ? > > > > > > > > life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "David and Janet Tennant" <d_jtennant@sympatico.ca> > > To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 1:45 PM > > Subject: Re: [NFK] Elizabeth Blake died 1846 > > > > > > > Somewhere in the past I have come across a reference to a > > website where > > > unwanted certificates can be posted. I think this is the URL: > > > www.*certificate*-exchange.co.*uk*/ > > > > > > Re your problem., I think that many of us have relatives who > > appear to > > > have been abducted by aliens! I have spent most of the past > 2 weeks > > > looking for a trace of a relative of mine, a Charles > Tennant, > > of whom > > > there seems to be absolutely no trace after his appearance > on > > the 1861 > > > census at Starston. No apparent BMD entries so did he too > > emigrate? I'll > > > likely never know. > > > Dave > > > On 12/23/2011 7:35 AM, Jane Kelly wrote: > > >> > > >> Does anyone know of a suitable place to put wrong > > certificates or perhaps > > >> this is the right one for someone else? > > >> > > >> Best wishes, > > >> > > >> Jane > > >> > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > >   > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK- > > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >   > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > >   > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Somewhere in the past I have come across a reference to a website where unwanted certificates can be posted. I think this is the URL: www.*certificate*-exchange.co.*uk*/ Re your problem., I think that many of us have relatives who appear to have been abducted by aliens! I have spent most of the past 2 weeks looking for a trace of a relative of mine, a Charles Tennant, of whom there seems to be absolutely no trace after his appearance on the 1861 census at Starston. No apparent BMD entries so did he too emigrate? I'll likely never know. Dave On 12/23/2011 7:35 AM, Jane Kelly wrote: > > Does anyone know of a suitable place to put wrong certificates or perhaps > this is the right one for someone else? > > Best wishes, > > Jane >

Hi Lisa My Webb family roots are in Kings Lynn before 1840. As you may be aware there have been Webb families in Kings Lynn since the 1600's and would be interested to know your interest. best wishes for Christmas Robert Webb -----Original Message----- From: Lisa Dayley Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 6:35 PM To: norfolk@rootsweb.com Subject: [NFK] names Dear Listers: Looking to update my surname list. I am researching the following names and would appreciate any help you could provide me. Am always searching for the following: GIRDLESTONE, GIRLING, GIRDLER, BETTS, FULLER, HEWLETTE, PROUDFOOT, WEBB, HUNT, KIDDLE/KITTLE Any help would be greatly appreciated for any of this names in their various forms. Merry Christmas Lisa Dayley Burley, Idaho good ole' USA

I would be very interested in knowing how you located the Northcott, aka, Morthcost. What a difference. I am always looking for ideas to track my GG grandfather John Sadd, lived in Norwich, and I presume died there between 1841 and 1851. I have tried all sorts of name variations, checked all the usual records... Always looking for another idea to try. I have all his family on the census from 1841, where he is also, then he is gone, while the census records continue for the rest of the family. Also, following 1841 there are no other children born, and the family was in the workhouse, 2 other reasons to think he was dead. His death is a mystery, I have done GRO searches and at the NRO, nothing. Perhaps the death was not registered or he died unidentified, or a number of other possibilities. To make the situation more challenging, he was married at St Michael at Thorn, that church and most of the records were destroyed in the 2nd world war. Any new search ideas gratefully accepted. I have not listed all I have done, just in case someone has a new or differently stated idea, giving rise to a new thought process for me in the search. Thanks and Merry Christmas Kim ----- Original Message ----- From: elizabeth howard <elizgh@btinternet.com> Date: Friday, December 23, 2011 7:13 am Subject: [NFK] INVISIBLE ANCESTORS To: norfolk@rootsweb.com >             Hi,   sometimes an ancestor is simply lurking under a hideously > mis interpreted name .  Northcott on the Devon list entered > into the 1861 > census  ( ancestry) as Morthcost ........never in a million > years would I > have thought to look at that !!!!   and then there is > the abbreviation , Mr > Northcott was Wm in ancestry`s index,  so being case > sensitive the name > William was all the index looked for .......  perhaps Eliz > , Elizth , and a > variation of Blake may help , Black , or just an * in the place > of the k ?? >             Or for both Tennant and Blake , maybe the freecen site and the > freereg site may help ? > > > > life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David and Janet Tennant" <d_jtennant@sympatico.ca> > To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 1:45 PM > Subject: Re: [NFK] Elizabeth Blake died 1846 > > > > Somewhere in the past I have come across a reference to a > website where > > unwanted certificates can be posted. I think this is the URL: > > www.*certificate*-exchange.co.*uk*/ > > > > Re your problem., I think that many of us have relatives who > appear to > > have been abducted by aliens! I have spent most of the past 2 weeks > > looking for a trace of a relative of mine, a Charles Tennant, > of whom > > there seems to be absolutely no trace after his appearance on > the 1861 > > census at Starston. No apparent BMD entries so did he too > emigrate? I'll > > likely never know. > > Dave > > On 12/23/2011 7:35 AM, Jane Kelly wrote: > >> > >> Does anyone know of a suitable place to put wrong > certificates or perhaps > >> this is the right one for someone else? > >> > >> Best wishes, > >> > >> Jane > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >   > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Listers: Looking to update my surname list. I am researching the following names and would appreciate any help you could provide me. Am always searching for the following STANGROOM - STANGROOME MANN - HALL - WICKES HUBBARD CUTTING- CUTTON 1770- 1880's All withn a 30 mile radius of Norwich. A Safe and Happy Christmas to All carolynn

Hi David There was and is no official requirement in the Church of England for a person to be baptised before they can be married. Moreover, before 1837 the majority of non-conformists could not be married in their own denomination and had to be married in the C of E. (Only Quakers and Jews were allowed to conduct their own marriages.) That said, some C of E clergy did (and still do) try to encourage the unbaptised to be baptised before marrying, but could not oblige them to do so. Incidentally, the C of E considers baptism in any Christian denomination to be equally valid, so there would be no distinction between someone baptised as, say, a Methodist, and someone baptised in the C of E. Hope that helps. Pauline On 21/12/2011 19:59, David Cullingford wrote: > Hello listers > > A question which I keep thinking about (as I haven't found a baptism for > them) is whether it was permissible for somebody who was not baptised in the > church of England to then get married in a CofE establishment? Would they > need to prove their "status" of being baptised? I'm talking 19th century > and before, particularly 18th century practices. Did the church have any > rules governing this? > > I'm not discounting of course that the curate/rector simply omitted the > baptism entry when they came to add the backlog of baptisms to the register. > I just can't find certain people baptised and it is really bugging me. > > If they were baptised in a non conformist church, could they have married in > a CofE church. i.e. Perhaps I have been looking in the wrong place in other > words. From what I know I doubt the individuals concerned would have been > Catholic but I wouldn't rule them out as being Anabaptist, Methodist etc if > a charismatic preacher came to town. > > Regards > > David

On Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:59:30 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) "David Cullingford" <d.cullingford@ntlworld.com> wrote: Hello David, > A question which I keep thinking about (as I haven't found a baptism > for them) is whether it was permissible for somebody who was not > baptised in the Requirements changed. There was a time, for example, that all marriages had to take place in a Church of England place of worship with the exception of the marriages of Quakers and Jews, who kept their own (excellent) records. You'll need to check what the law (both statue and ecclesiastical) was at the time(s) of interest. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" Stained glass windows keep the cold outside Religion - Public Image Ltd

Dear Listers: Looking to update my surname list. I am researching the following names and would appreciate any help you could provide me. Am always searching for the following: GIRDLESTONE, GIRLING, GIRDLER, BETTS, FULLER, HEWLETTE, PROUDFOOT, WEBB, HUNT, KIDDLE/KITTLE Any help would be greatly appreciated for any of this names in their various forms. Merry Christmas Lisa Dayley Burley, Idaho good ole' USA

Hi David, I transcribed a couple of parishes in Northampton, and noted a few entries where the vicar had written a note in the marriage entry along the lines of "heathen" when someone married someone of another religion. Rather harsh - later vicars would write something like "not baptised in our Church" which I take to mean Church of England and not the parish church. One of the books had a list inside the back cover of baptisms that had taken place elsewhere, or for those in the church that had been lost, as proof of baptism at time of marriage, but I don't think this was a common practice. There are a number of "adult" baptisms, or "baptised as an adult" in the registers, where people were dipped or redipped just prior to their marriage to satisfy the vicar's requirements. Cheers Trish Nowra NSW > A question which I keep thinking about (as I haven't found a baptism for > them) is whether it was permissible for somebody who was not baptised in > the > church of England to then get married in a CofE establishment? Would they > need to prove their "status" of being baptised? I'm talking 19th century > and before, particularly 18th century practices. Did the church have any > rules governing this? > David

Hello listers A question which I keep thinking about (as I haven't found a baptism for them) is whether it was permissible for somebody who was not baptised in the church of England to then get married in a CofE establishment? Would they need to prove their "status" of being baptised? I'm talking 19th century and before, particularly 18th century practices. Did the church have any rules governing this? I'm not discounting of course that the curate/rector simply omitted the baptism entry when they came to add the backlog of baptisms to the register. I just can't find certain people baptised and it is really bugging me. If they were baptised in a non conformist church, could they have married in a CofE church. i.e. Perhaps I have been looking in the wrong place in other words. From what I know I doubt the individuals concerned would have been Catholic but I wouldn't rule them out as being Anabaptist, Methodist etc if a charismatic preacher came to town. Regards David