Mike and Sheila Thanks Ok . Perhaps you can explain the process. A Bond comes first and then the License? I'm a bit uncertain as to why a license rather than Banns. In my experience of transcribing for FreeREG it seemed to me that most marriages by license occurred when one party was from another Parish. In this particular instance the Bond and PR marriage entry state of this Parish , albeit maybe for a short period This gentleman is my long standing brickwall. I was excited to find this, for me, new piece of evidence but then disappointed that it just says "over 21" which puts me no closer to his actual birth date. Dave (married by Banns!) On 05/01/2012 10:38 AM, Mike Fry wrote: > On 2012/01/05 17:20, David Tennant wrote: > >> ///I have just located the Marriage Bond of my many times GF William >> Skitmore on the LDS site and have a question or two, see partial >> transcription below most of which is a standard form. >> 1) This is an "application" for his marriage by License? He was married >> on the day stated > No, it's the "Bond". > >> 2) The payment of 200 pounds is some kind of penalty? > Only if the marriage doesn't take place. > >> 3) The significance of the date 25 March 1754 > That's when Lord Hardwicke's Marriage Act of 1753 ("An Act for the Better > Preventing of Clandestine Marriage") came into force. > >> 4)Who was Wharton Park > The agent of the Bishop? >

I posted the original because at nearby Upwell Baptist chapel graveyard the whole lot was bulldozed by a developer for housing ( as Methwold is being sold for, not shortage of burial space) before anyone knew what was happening-headstones smashed up I gather. I thought it might give any interested parties a chance to look for headstones or records before it was too late. Happy New Year Rosie. On 04/01/2012 23:58, Mike Fry wrote: > On 2012/01/05 01:44, Stephanie Ray wrote: > >> I agree... those interred deserve to be treated with the utmost care and >> respect. > You have the space in the USA to do this. In the UK space is very much at a > premium. Hence the reuse of cemeteries. >

Also get yourself on the mailing list for the new project indexing the Gunton Estate papers - see http://guntonarchive.wordpress.com/2012/01/05/lord-suffield/ -- Christopher Pipe BA DipLib MCLIP researching and indexing Norfolk history cp@wmk.demon.co.uk (and see www.cromerdictionary.co.uk) -----Original Message----- From: norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Treetopsfarm@aol.com Sent: 04 January 2012 08:48 To: norfolk@rootsweb.com Subject: [NFK] NRO Hi all I have two relatives who are working with me on our mutual family of Harbords. Although Jean (NFK lister) has been extremely helpful in overcoming a "brick wall", more unresolved questions have come to light. As the UK representative of the family group, I feel it is down to me to make the trip to study what documents I can find in Norfolk that are not online. I have read that the Norwich Record Office contains a lot of material, but can anyone advise me who has been there - Is it available for public scrutiny? Do you have to book? Do you have to pay and if so, how much? Is the information detailed? I would be very grateful for any advice, and also if there are any other recommended places to visit when I am there. I gather Gunton Park is not open to visitors, but would not expect to find much historical information there anyway. Richard Harbord, Somerset ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

That's really helpful, Keith, and I was only joking about the security. I am well aware that in these sad times, people will steal anything. We had our village church bells stolen whilst they were removed for refurbishment. It is going to take a lot of planning, as you suggest, otherwise I shall be in Norfolk for some time! Richard In a message dated 05/01/2012 15:33:31 GMT Standard Time, drageke@ntlworld.com writes: Grin and bear it. Remember that many of the items you will be allowed access to have considerable monetary value on the open market as well as being unique, and being able to identify who had access to a missing or damaged document is part of the deterrent against theft. Three additional comments which I hope are helpful: 1) if you'd rather spend the 15 minutes or so this process could take in doing real research, you could look for a member of the CARN network more local to you, and get you card there in advance. There is a PDF document here that lists them. http://www.archives.org.uk/general/county-archive-research-network-carn.html If you are only using fiche or file, rather than original documents, then generally you will not need the CARN card. 2) You can normally order documents up in advance of getting there, so they are waiting for you when you arrive (rather than have to wait for the periodic document retrieval). In any case, it is always worth checking that the documents you want to look at are available (e.g. not withdrawn for conservation), and what format they are in, as this will help with planning your use of time. 3) I'd recommend if you have a few minutes to spare popping into the Norfolk FHS at Kirby House and seeing what they have available. While you need to be a member to use the resources, the annual membership fee is less than your travel costs will be, and I'm sure if they are not too busy, someone would be only too happy to identify what they have that would help you if you did join (assuming you are not already a member). Details of location and times of opening here: http://www.norfolkfhs.org.uk/library/library.htm regards Keith Drage Swindon UK > -----Original Message----- > From: norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Treetopsfarm@aol.com > Sent: 05 January 2012 08:31 > To: norfolk@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NFK] NRO > > > Their security is tighter than my Dr. surgery! Thanks for the info. > > Richard > > > In a message dated 05/01/2012 03:38:36 GMT Standard Time, > drageke@ntlworld.com writes: > > A passport will help but may not be sufficient. Take something > additionally > that links your name to a valid address (a utility bill or > suchlike). A UK > passport will not do that. > > I found the following text on another record office site but the > requirements should be much the same. > > "CARN tickets can be issued on the day of your visit. You will need to > complete a simple form and produce some proof of identity with your name, > current address and signature such as: > > Driving licence (which contains all three pieces of information > required on > one document) > Bank / credit card > Passport (note that UK passports do not give your address) > Bank statement > Utility bill > Post Office savings book > Disabled person's registration > Pension book > Some of these will need to be used together." > > > regards > > Keith Drage > Swindon UK > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Treetopsfarm@aol.com > > Sent: 04 January 2012 13:34 > > To: norfolk@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [NFK] NRO > > > > > > Thanks David - I'll take my passport! > > > > Richard > > > > > > In a message dated 04/01/2012 12:46:04 GMT Standard Time, > > david@rudram.org > > writes: > > > > I agree that NRO is a nice modern RO with helpful staff. > They'll let > > you look at microform records with minimal formalities but you'll need > > to identify your self if you want access to original > documents. NRO is > > a member of CARN (County Archive Research Network) so if you already > > have a card that will be all that you need. If you don't or it's > > expired like mine was this summer you'll need to provide proof of > > identity. I can't recall what they wanted but if you have two pieces > > with a photograph and an address between them is the usually what is > > needed. > > > > David Rudram > > > > On 04/01/2012 11:36, Treetopsfarm@aol.com wrote: > > > Actually, yours was the first! Many thanks for the NROCAT > idea - I'll > > > look at that before I go and have a plan ready! This forum is > > so much > > better > > > than most I've joined - must be the members! > > > > > > Thanks again > > > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 04/01/2012 11:30:00 GMT Standard Time, > > > elizgh@btinternet.com writes: > > > > > > Hi, I am sure you will have had many encouraging emails in > > > response . NRO is fine , a good place helpful staff and a fairly > > simple > > > indexing system to both parishes and names . I have > just googled > > NROCAT > > > and in the quick search box put Harbord and there are some > 29 pages > of > > > references to Harbord . It looks as if you could spend a > > month there > > on > > > the Harbords !!! > > > > > > > > > > > > life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From:<Treetopsfarm@aol.com> > > > To:<norfolk@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 8:47 AM > > > Subject: [NFK] NRO > > > > > > > > >> Hi all > > >> > > >> I have two relatives who are working with me on our > mutual family > of > > >> Harbords. Although Jean (NFK lister) has been extremely > > helpful > > in > > >> overcoming > > >> a "brick wall", more unresolved questions have come to > > light. As the > > UK > > >> representative of the family group, I feel it is down to > > me to make > > the > > > > > >> trip > > >> to study what documents I can find in Norfolk that are not > > online. I > > >> have > > >> read that the Norwich Record Office contains a lot of > > material, but > > can > > >> anyone advise me who has been there - Is it available for public > > >> scrutiny? > > >> Do you have to book? Do you have to pay and if so, how much? Is > > the > > >> information detailed? > > >> > > >> I would be very grateful for any advice, and also if > there are any > > other > > >> recommended places to visit when I am there. I gather > > Gunton Park is > > not > > >> open to visitors, but would not expect to find much historical > > > information > > >> there anyway. > > >> > > >> Richard Harbord, Somerset > > >> > > >> ------------------------------- > > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > > quotes in the subject and > > > the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject > > and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and > > the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

///I have just located the Marriage Bond of my many times GF William Skitmore on the LDS site and have a question or two, see partial transcription below most of which is a standard form. 1) This is an "application" for his marriage by License? He was married on the day stated 2) The payment of 200 pounds is some kind of penalty? 3) The significance of the date 25 March 1754 4)Who was Wharton Park Dave / //// /Know all Men by these Presents, That We/William Skitmore of the City of Norwich? ? ? ? ? Nov? of ? in the County of Norfolk? /are holden and firmly bound to/ the worshipful Wharton Park Doctor of Laws Commissionary throughout the Archdeaconary of Norwicvh lawfully constituted/in the sum of Two Hundred Pounds of good and lawful Money of Great Britain, to be paid to the said /Wharton Park (?) /or his certain Attorney, Successors or Agents To which payment well and truly to be made, we bind/ /ourselves, and each of us by himself for the whole, our and each of our Heirs Executors and Administrators, firmly by these Presents, Sealed with our Seals, Dated the/ EighteenthDay of October/in the Year of our Lord One Thousand Seven Hundred and/Sixty Eight** /The Condition of this Obligation is such, That if hearafter there fall not appear any lawful Let or Impediment, by Reason of any Precontract entered into before the Twenty-Fith of March 1754, /

Living in Canada I don't attend the NRO frequently! However I have been and I do not recall any difficulties in obtaining a ticket. I may have had my Canadian passport or drivers licence but can't be entirely sure. Dave On 04/01/2012 10:31 PM, Keith Drage wrote: > A passport will help but may not be sufficient. Take something additionally > that links your name to a valid address (a utility bill or suchlike). A UK > passport will not do that. > > I found the following text on another record office site but the > requirements should be much the same. > > "CARN tickets can be issued on the day of your visit. You will need to > complete a simple form and produce some proof of identity with your name, > current address and signature such as: > > Driving licence (which contains all three pieces of information required on > one document) > Bank / credit card > Passport (note that UK passports do not give your address) > Bank statement > Utility bill > Post Office savings book > Disabled person's registration > Pension book > Some of these will need to be used together." > > > regards > > Keith Drage > Swindon UK > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Treetopsfarm@aol.com >> Sent: 04 January 2012 13:34 >> To: norfolk@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [NFK] NRO >> >> >> Thanks David - I'll take my passport! >> >> Richard >> >> >> In a message dated 04/01/2012 12:46:04 GMT Standard Time, >> david@rudram.org >> writes: >> >> I agree that NRO is a nice modern RO with helpful staff. They'll let >> you look at microform records with minimal formalities but you'll need >> to identify your self if you want access to original documents. NRO is >> a member of CARN (County Archive Research Network) so if you already >> have a card that will be all that you need. If you don't or it's >> expired like mine was this summer you'll need to provide proof of >> identity. I can't recall what they wanted but if you have two pieces >> with a photograph and an address between them is the usually what is >> needed. >> >> David Rudram >> >> On 04/01/2012 11:36, Treetopsfarm@aol.com wrote: >>> Actually, yours was the first! Many thanks for the NROCAT idea - I'll >>> look at that before I go and have a plan ready! This forum is >> so much >> better >>> than most I've joined - must be the members! >>> >>> Thanks again >>> >>> Richard >>> >>> >>> In a message dated 04/01/2012 11:30:00 GMT Standard Time, >>> elizgh@btinternet.com writes: >>> >>> Hi, I am sure you will have had many encouraging emails in >>> response . NRO is fine , a good place helpful staff and a fairly >> simple >>> indexing system to both parishes and names . I have just googled >> NROCAT >>> and in the quick search box put Harbord and there are some 29 pages of >>> references to Harbord . It looks as if you could spend a >> month there >> on >>> the Harbords !!! >>> >>> >>> >>> life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From:<Treetopsfarm@aol.com> >>> To:<norfolk@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 8:47 AM >>> Subject: [NFK] NRO >>> >>> >>>> Hi all >>>> >>>> I have two relatives who are working with me on our mutual family of >>>> Harbords. Although Jean (NFK lister) has been extremely >> helpful >> in >>>> overcoming >>>> a "brick wall", more unresolved questions have come to >> light. As the >> UK >>>> representative of the family group, I feel it is down to >> me to make >> the >>>> trip >>>> to study what documents I can find in Norfolk that are not >> online. I >>>> have >>>> read that the Norwich Record Office contains a lot of >> material, but >> can >>>> anyone advise me who has been there - Is it available for public >>>> scrutiny? >>>> Do you have to book? Do you have to pay and if so, how much? Is >> the >>>> information detailed? >>>> >>>> I would be very grateful for any advice, and also if there are any >> other >>>> recommended places to visit when I am there. I gather >> Gunton Park is >> not >>>> open to visitors, but would not expect to find much historical >>> information >>>> there anyway. >>>> >>>> Richard Harbord, Somerset >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and >>> the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject >> and the body of the message >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Thanks Christopher - I can see I have a job for the rest of my life! Richard In a message dated 05/01/2012 11:11:23 GMT Standard Time, cp@wmk.demon.co.uk writes: http://guntonarchive.wordpress.com/2012/01/05/lord-suffield

Keith, can I ask you a big favour? If you saw the email from Annete in Australia to me, could you send her a reply saying thanks? She has blocked aol as an ip, so my emails are being rejected. many thanks Richard In a message dated 05/01/2012 03:38:36 GMT Standard Time, drageke@ntlworld.com writes: A passport will help but may not be sufficient. Take something additionally that links your name to a valid address (a utility bill or suchlike). A UK passport will not do that. I found the following text on another record office site but the requirements should be much the same. "CARN tickets can be issued on the day of your visit. You will need to complete a simple form and produce some proof of identity with your name, current address and signature such as: Driving licence (which contains all three pieces of information required on one document) Bank / credit card Passport (note that UK passports do not give your address) Bank statement Utility bill Post Office savings book Disabled person's registration Pension book Some of these will need to be used together." regards Keith Drage Swindon UK > -----Original Message----- > From: norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Treetopsfarm@aol.com > Sent: 04 January 2012 13:34 > To: norfolk@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NFK] NRO > > > Thanks David - I'll take my passport! > > Richard > > > In a message dated 04/01/2012 12:46:04 GMT Standard Time, > david@rudram.org > writes: > > I agree that NRO is a nice modern RO with helpful staff. They'll let > you look at microform records with minimal formalities but you'll need > to identify your self if you want access to original documents. NRO is > a member of CARN (County Archive Research Network) so if you already > have a card that will be all that you need. If you don't or it's > expired like mine was this summer you'll need to provide proof of > identity. I can't recall what they wanted but if you have two pieces > with a photograph and an address between them is the usually what is > needed. > > David Rudram > > On 04/01/2012 11:36, Treetopsfarm@aol.com wrote: > > Actually, yours was the first! Many thanks for the NROCAT idea - I'll > > look at that before I go and have a plan ready! This forum is > so much > better > > than most I've joined - must be the members! > > > > Thanks again > > > > Richard > > > > > > In a message dated 04/01/2012 11:30:00 GMT Standard Time, > > elizgh@btinternet.com writes: > > > > Hi, I am sure you will have had many encouraging emails in > > response . NRO is fine , a good place helpful staff and a fairly > simple > > indexing system to both parishes and names . I have just googled > NROCAT > > and in the quick search box put Harbord and there are some 29 pages of > > references to Harbord . It looks as if you could spend a > month there > on > > the Harbords !!! > > > > > > > > life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From:<Treetopsfarm@aol.com> > > To:<norfolk@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 8:47 AM > > Subject: [NFK] NRO > > > > > >> Hi all > >> > >> I have two relatives who are working with me on our mutual family of > >> Harbords. Although Jean (NFK lister) has been extremely > helpful > in > >> overcoming > >> a "brick wall", more unresolved questions have come to > light. As the > UK > >> representative of the family group, I feel it is down to > me to make > the > > > >> trip > >> to study what documents I can find in Norfolk that are not > online. I > >> have > >> read that the Norwich Record Office contains a lot of > material, but > can > >> anyone advise me who has been there - Is it available for public > >> scrutiny? > >> Do you have to book? Do you have to pay and if so, how much? Is > the > >> information detailed? > >> > >> I would be very grateful for any advice, and also if there are any > other > >> recommended places to visit when I am there. I gather > Gunton Park is > not > >> open to visitors, but would not expect to find much historical > > information > >> there anyway. > >> > >> Richard Harbord, Somerset > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and > > the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A passport will help but may not be sufficient. Take something additionally that links your name to a valid address (a utility bill or suchlike). A UK passport will not do that. I found the following text on another record office site but the requirements should be much the same. "CARN tickets can be issued on the day of your visit. You will need to complete a simple form and produce some proof of identity with your name, current address and signature such as: Driving licence (which contains all three pieces of information required on one document) Bank / credit card Passport (note that UK passports do not give your address) Bank statement Utility bill Post Office savings book Disabled person's registration Pension book Some of these will need to be used together." regards Keith Drage Swindon UK > -----Original Message----- > From: norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Treetopsfarm@aol.com > Sent: 04 January 2012 13:34 > To: norfolk@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NFK] NRO > > > Thanks David - I'll take my passport! > > Richard > > > In a message dated 04/01/2012 12:46:04 GMT Standard Time, > david@rudram.org > writes: > > I agree that NRO is a nice modern RO with helpful staff. They'll let > you look at microform records with minimal formalities but you'll need > to identify your self if you want access to original documents. NRO is > a member of CARN (County Archive Research Network) so if you already > have a card that will be all that you need. If you don't or it's > expired like mine was this summer you'll need to provide proof of > identity. I can't recall what they wanted but if you have two pieces > with a photograph and an address between them is the usually what is > needed. > > David Rudram > > On 04/01/2012 11:36, Treetopsfarm@aol.com wrote: > > Actually, yours was the first! Many thanks for the NROCAT idea - I'll > > look at that before I go and have a plan ready! This forum is > so much > better > > than most I've joined - must be the members! > > > > Thanks again > > > > Richard > > > > > > In a message dated 04/01/2012 11:30:00 GMT Standard Time, > > elizgh@btinternet.com writes: > > > > Hi, I am sure you will have had many encouraging emails in > > response . NRO is fine , a good place helpful staff and a fairly > simple > > indexing system to both parishes and names . I have just googled > NROCAT > > and in the quick search box put Harbord and there are some 29 pages of > > references to Harbord . It looks as if you could spend a > month there > on > > the Harbords !!! > > > > > > > > life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From:<Treetopsfarm@aol.com> > > To:<norfolk@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 8:47 AM > > Subject: [NFK] NRO > > > > > >> Hi all > >> > >> I have two relatives who are working with me on our mutual family of > >> Harbords. Although Jean (NFK lister) has been extremely > helpful > in > >> overcoming > >> a "brick wall", more unresolved questions have come to > light. As the > UK > >> representative of the family group, I feel it is down to > me to make > the > > > >> trip > >> to study what documents I can find in Norfolk that are not > online. I > >> have > >> read that the Norwich Record Office contains a lot of > material, but > can > >> anyone advise me who has been there - Is it available for public > >> scrutiny? > >> Do you have to book? Do you have to pay and if so, how much? Is > the > >> information detailed? > >> > >> I would be very grateful for any advice, and also if there are any > other > >> recommended places to visit when I am there. I gather > Gunton Park is > not > >> open to visitors, but would not expect to find much historical > > information > >> there anyway. > >> > >> Richard Harbord, Somerset > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and > > the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Their security is tighter than my Dr. surgery! Thanks for the info. Richard In a message dated 05/01/2012 03:38:36 GMT Standard Time, drageke@ntlworld.com writes: A passport will help but may not be sufficient. Take something additionally that links your name to a valid address (a utility bill or suchlike). A UK passport will not do that. I found the following text on another record office site but the requirements should be much the same. "CARN tickets can be issued on the day of your visit. You will need to complete a simple form and produce some proof of identity with your name, current address and signature such as: Driving licence (which contains all three pieces of information required on one document) Bank / credit card Passport (note that UK passports do not give your address) Bank statement Utility bill Post Office savings book Disabled person's registration Pension book Some of these will need to be used together." regards Keith Drage Swindon UK > -----Original Message----- > From: norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Treetopsfarm@aol.com > Sent: 04 January 2012 13:34 > To: norfolk@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NFK] NRO > > > Thanks David - I'll take my passport! > > Richard > > > In a message dated 04/01/2012 12:46:04 GMT Standard Time, > david@rudram.org > writes: > > I agree that NRO is a nice modern RO with helpful staff. They'll let > you look at microform records with minimal formalities but you'll need > to identify your self if you want access to original documents. NRO is > a member of CARN (County Archive Research Network) so if you already > have a card that will be all that you need. If you don't or it's > expired like mine was this summer you'll need to provide proof of > identity. I can't recall what they wanted but if you have two pieces > with a photograph and an address between them is the usually what is > needed. > > David Rudram > > On 04/01/2012 11:36, Treetopsfarm@aol.com wrote: > > Actually, yours was the first! Many thanks for the NROCAT idea - I'll > > look at that before I go and have a plan ready! This forum is > so much > better > > than most I've joined - must be the members! > > > > Thanks again > > > > Richard > > > > > > In a message dated 04/01/2012 11:30:00 GMT Standard Time, > > elizgh@btinternet.com writes: > > > > Hi, I am sure you will have had many encouraging emails in > > response . NRO is fine , a good place helpful staff and a fairly > simple > > indexing system to both parishes and names . I have just googled > NROCAT > > and in the quick search box put Harbord and there are some 29 pages of > > references to Harbord . It looks as if you could spend a > month there > on > > the Harbords !!! > > > > > > > > life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From:<Treetopsfarm@aol.com> > > To:<norfolk@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 8:47 AM > > Subject: [NFK] NRO > > > > > >> Hi all > >> > >> I have two relatives who are working with me on our mutual family of > >> Harbords. Although Jean (NFK lister) has been extremely > helpful > in > >> overcoming > >> a "brick wall", more unresolved questions have come to > light. As the > UK > >> representative of the family group, I feel it is down to > me to make > the > > > >> trip > >> to study what documents I can find in Norfolk that are not > online. I > >> have > >> read that the Norwich Record Office contains a lot of > material, but > can > >> anyone advise me who has been there - Is it available for public > >> scrutiny? > >> Do you have to book? Do you have to pay and if so, how much? Is > the > >> information detailed? > >> > >> I would be very grateful for any advice, and also if there are any > other > >> recommended places to visit when I am there. I gather > Gunton Park is > not > >> open to visitors, but would not expect to find much historical > > information > >> there anyway. > >> > >> Richard Harbord, Somerset > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and > > the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 2012/01/05 01:44, Stephanie Ray wrote: > I agree... those interred deserve to be treated with the utmost care and > respect. You have the space in the USA to do this. In the UK space is very much at a premium. Hence the reuse of cemeteries. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg

I would like to thank Bill Atkins for his transcription of the Erpingham records. Looking at the originals it must have been a difficult job. I have found there details of a member of my KNIGHTS family, Benjamin of Happisburgh fathering a bastard in 1840. The only person of this name in Happisburgh in the 1841 census is aged 65, so not sure if he is the guilty man or grandfather of the child! I have just started writing a Blog, so this has been a good subject to use on it. See my conclusions on http://maddergenealogist.wordpress.com/ Regards Christine Hancock

Hi All I don't know if this has already been posted, but today I found that the Family Search site of images of the Norfolk Registers now has a search facility that wasn't there last time I looked. The site indicates that it was updated on 28 December 1911. Clearly only a very small percentage of the images have been transcribed, but if you do find anything of interest a single click will open the register image. Regards Peter Banham

I agree... those interred deserve to be treated with the utmost care and respect. My Cobb ancestors, who helped to settle the states of Virginia, the Carolinas, and ultimately, Tennessee (and whom I believe to have originated in Norfolk) were buried in a family graveyard, which was flooded when the Tennessee Valley Authority built a dam and created Cherokee Lake: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=cr&CRid=10643 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherokee_Reservoir We're still trying to find the records (if any) created beforehand! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: xpn11 <xpn11@aol.com> Date: Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [NFK] Homes to be built on Methwold Methodist graveyard To: norfolk@rootsweb.com We all look at this differently, I don't much care where I end up but on cemeteries/graveyards I take this view- that the churches and chapels concerned were quite happy to take the burial fees from everyone, including those who had to scrape around to find the money, and should have to honour their contract to those who buried their relatives. I would wager that those buried at Methwold and those who buried them did not expect any digging up to happen.If the last burials at Methwold were in the late 1920s it is not that long ago there could still be people living who knew the interred. At the very least, in the case of a sale of a chapel the graves should be left as garden and the stones carefully conserved. At Lammas the grave of Anna Sewell ( Black Beauty) and others at the Old Quaker Meeting house met with a without permission, bulldozery end-the stones are set in a wall. And a plague on churchwardens/sextons etc everywhere who moved and broke up grave stones so that they could mow the grass more easily. Rosie. On 03/01/2012 21:58, David Booty wrote: > Perhaps we can get too excited about these things. > > A graveyard, or a place of worship, can only be preserved if someone pays > for it - who should that be? > > After the huge boom in Methodism in the late 18th and 19th C fizzled out, > hundreds of Methodist chapels fell out of use, and many are now private > houses or places of business. > > Our medieval ancestors reused space in graveyards again and again, which is > why you so often see that the churchyard has a higher ground level than the > church door. The graves of some of my own ancestors - at St. Peter Southgate > in Norwich, for example, are now replaced by housing. > > Only when the repeated re-use of graveyards was recognised in the 1850's as > a health hazard was the practice brought to an end and new corporation > burial grounds opened. Some of these are now in turn derelict and beg > questions about their future. > > Certainly I agree that records of who was buried where and memorial > inscriptions should be recorded before they are obliterated, but it is far > too late, at least in England, to worry too much about disturbing graves. We > have always done it - google "charnel house" if you don't take my word for > it. > > David > > -----Original Message----- > From: norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:norfolk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Martin Fisher > Sent: 03 January 2012 20:16 > To: norfolk@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NFK] Homes to be built on Methwold Methodist graveyard > > > Hello Rosie& Listers, > > Thank you, Rosie for sending this link. > > I have e-mailed the West Norfolk Planning Department > (borough.planning@west-norfolk.gov.uk) and told them of my objections to > this plan. I've said they should make every effort to contact families of > the dead before they desecrate the graveyard. > > Martin Fisher > > Researching COCKS in Hockwold and it's area (includes Methwold) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: xpn11<xpn11@aol.com> > To: Nofolk list<norfolk@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 10:17 > Subject: [NFK] Homes to be built on Methwold Methodist graveyard > > > http://www.lynnnews.co.uk/news/business-news/homes_to_be_built_on_a_methwold > _graveyard_1_3377747 > ust seen this and thought I would post it in case there is anyone on > he list who has an ancestor interred there and wants to make a last go > t looking at headstones or make a last minute objection. A shockingly > nsensitive bit of work from the planners, on the same line as that at > pwell a while back. > osie > > ------------------------------ > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > > he message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

That's quite a story, Carol, thanks for sharing! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Carol J Markillie <cjmarkillie@gmail.com> Date: Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [NFK] Norfolk Registers on Family Search To: norfolk@rootsweb.com Hello Peter: Thank you for that good bit of news. I've found the registers transcriptions for Norfolk in the LDS as accurate as I would be (smile) transcribing the originals. Maybe I could tell you all something that helped me. I had read the Outwell, Norfolk register in 1999, which was difficult because there were many damaged pages black with ink that had leached through from the other side of the paper. Flooding had also affected the writings and the paper - seems a lot of churches kept their older registers downstairs in the cellars. I was looking through the Outwell register pages that I had managed to see something looking like MERKLEY on the page so photo copied and kept the page from 1999 until now. A short while ago I was sitting by the window where a ray of sunlight spread from the low sun across the page that was really black with ink bleed-throught. Near the bottom of the spread, I found Thomas MERKLEY born 6 December 1773 to John MERKLEY and Mary [WILSON]. I've been looking for this man, our 3rd great grandfather for 30 years and had him all the time - well, since 1999. It's always good to check back on the information you own. I'm going to start doing just that. So, I'm advising you members to try anything creative (except getting the photocopy wet) to bring print out from under the black staining, even sunlight! All the best for the New Year to all of you - Carol Northwest Washington State, USA On 1/4/12, Peter <peter@pwbanham.co.uk> wrote: > Hi All > > I don't know if this has already been posted, but today I found that the > Family Search site of images of the Norfolk Registers now has a search > facility that wasn't there last time I looked. > > The site indicates that it was updated on 28 December 1911. > > Clearly only a very small percentage of the images have been transcribed, > but > if you do find anything of interest a single click will open the register > image. > > Regards > > Peter Banham > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I agree that NRO is a nice modern RO with helpful staff. They'll let you look at microform records with minimal formalities but you'll need to identify your self if you want access to original documents. NRO is a member of CARN (County Archive Research Network) so if you already have a card that will be all that you need. If you don't or it's expired like mine was this summer you'll need to provide proof of identity. I can't recall what they wanted but if you have two pieces with a photograph and an address between them is the usually what is needed. David Rudram On 04/01/2012 11:36, Treetopsfarm@aol.com wrote: > Actually, yours was the first! Many thanks for the NROCAT idea - I'll > look at that before I go and have a plan ready! This forum is so much better > than most I've joined - must be the members! > > Thanks again > > Richard > > > In a message dated 04/01/2012 11:30:00 GMT Standard Time, > elizgh@btinternet.com writes: > > Hi, I am sure you will have had many encouraging emails in > response . NRO is fine , a good place helpful staff and a fairly simple > indexing system to both parishes and names . I have just googled NROCAT > and in the quick search box put Harbord and there are some 29 pages of > references to Harbord . It looks as if you could spend a month there on > the Harbords !!! > > > > life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > ----- Original Message ----- > From:<Treetopsfarm@aol.com> > To:<norfolk@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 8:47 AM > Subject: [NFK] NRO > > >> Hi all >> >> I have two relatives who are working with me on our mutual family of >> Harbords. Although Jean (NFK lister) has been extremely helpful in >> overcoming >> a "brick wall", more unresolved questions have come to light. As the UK >> representative of the family group, I feel it is down to me to make the > >> trip >> to study what documents I can find in Norfolk that are not online. I >> have >> read that the Norwich Record Office contains a lot of material, but can >> anyone advise me who has been there - Is it available for public >> scrutiny? >> Do you have to book? Do you have to pay and if so, how much? Is the >> information detailed? >> >> I would be very grateful for any advice, and also if there are any other >> recommended places to visit when I am there. I gather Gunton Park is not >> open to visitors, but would not expect to find much historical > information >> there anyway. >> >> Richard Harbord, Somerset >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

My m-in-law was telling me of her tradition of keeping a sprig of holly from Christmas until Shrove Tuesday. This is something that she had from her mother.She seems to think it was a Cheshire/Staffordshire custom. I have found out that it was also known in Lincolnshire and wondered if it was also known in Norfolk. Has anyone any ideas about or knowledge of this custom? I suspect that the sprig would be burned in the grate, as had all other green decorations. I have some vague memory of burning something (not palm crosses) around Shrove Tuesday/Ash Wednesday but as my mother's ancestry is from the NW and Italy I doubt that it had anything to do with Norfolk. David David Mills -- Please note that this e-mail and any files transmitted with it may be privileged, confidential, and protected from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this communication or any of its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message and then delete this message, any attachments, and all copies and backups from your computer.

Hi, I am sure you will have had many encouraging emails in response . NRO is fine , a good place helpful staff and a fairly simple indexing system to both parishes and names . I have just googled NROCAT and in the quick search box put Harbord and there are some 29 pages of references to Harbord . It looks as if you could spend a month there on the Harbords !!! life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: <Treetopsfarm@aol.com> To: <norfolk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 8:47 AM Subject: [NFK] NRO > Hi all > > I have two relatives who are working with me on our mutual family of > Harbords. Although Jean (NFK lister) has been extremely helpful in > overcoming > a "brick wall", more unresolved questions have come to light. As the UK > representative of the family group, I feel it is down to me to make the > trip > to study what documents I can find in Norfolk that are not online. I > have > read that the Norwich Record Office contains a lot of material, but can > anyone advise me who has been there - Is it available for public > scrutiny? > Do you have to book? Do you have to pay and if so, how much? Is the > information detailed? > > I would be very grateful for any advice, and also if there are any other > recommended places to visit when I am there. I gather Gunton Park is not > open to visitors, but would not expect to find much historical information > there anyway. > > Richard Harbord, Somerset > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello: I did get myself up the stairs - a bit worrisome as they were homemade and then the remodeling contractor tore out the top part of the stairs and made a doorway on the side so the bannister is not attached to anything except one nail goes somewhere in the vicinity of the post about 2" away - too far for that nail. I looked in my 'posting binders' and did not find any KITTERINGHAM / KETTERINGHAM but know that I did quite a lot on those names for a woman who looked up all the possible MARKILLIEs/MARKLEYs in the United States and posted them to me. Keep looking through the rootsweb years as it might have been sooner than 1999 - t hat was when I started reading parish registers. Also, in Rootsweb's search box, just put the one surname at a time and see if any of those postings come up - they will probably be privately submitted items. Good Hunting - Carol

Hello Peter: Thank you for that good bit of news. I've found the registers transcriptions for Norfolk in the LDS as accurate as I would be (smile) transcribing the originals. Maybe I could tell you all something that helped me. I had read the Outwell, Norfolk register in 1999, which was difficult because there were many damaged pages black with ink that had leached through from the other side of the paper. Flooding had also affected the writings and the paper - seems a lot of churches kept their older registers downstairs in the cellars. I was looking through the Outwell register pages that I had managed to see something looking like MERKLEY on the page so photo copied and kept the page from 1999 until now. A short while ago I was sitting by the window where a ray of sunlight spread from the low sun across the page that was really black with ink bleed-throught. Near the bottom of the spread, I found Thomas MERKLEY born 6 December 1773 to John MERKLEY and Mary [WILSON]. I've been looking for this man, our 3rd great grandfather for 30 years and had him all the time - well, since 1999. It's always good to check back on the information you own. I'm going to start doing just that. So, I'm advising you members to try anything creative (except getting the photocopy wet) to bring print out from under the black staining, even sunlight! All the best for the New Year to all of you - Carol Northwest Washington State, USA On 1/4/12, Peter <peter@pwbanham.co.uk> wrote: > Hi All > > I don't know if this has already been posted, but today I found that the > Family Search site of images of the Norfolk Registers now has a search > facility that wasn't there last time I looked. > > The site indicates that it was updated on 28 December 1911. > > Clearly only a very small percentage of the images have been transcribed, > but > if you do find anything of interest a single click will open the register > image. > > Regards > > Peter Banham > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORFOLK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >