Hi Karen, Not sure if anyone has access to the early Wormegay parish records, the last time I heard they were still held by the vicar. I see some of the baptisms have now been transcribed and on line but only from about 1800. I found only one Bird in the quick look I had, Ann Elizabeth Bird baptised Wormegay 27th May 1827, daughter of John Bird and his wife Mary. John was a miller. Wormegay was (and still is) a small village that stands alone. In all the years I have been researching that village I haven't come across the name Bird as one of the regular inhabitants but then i haven't gone back as far as you need to. In the past I have contacted the vicar, who is Father James Nolan, The Rectory, Downham Road, Watlington, Kings Lynn, Norfolk, PE33 OHS. He has searched records for me on a number of occasions, successfully. He does ask you to make a donation to church funds for this service which is fair enough. I have trawled the gravestones in the cemetery many times over the years, can't remember seeing the Bird name, but doesn't mean there weren't any. In many, many years I have found very few people who share my interest in this village. I have school records for a period when some of my ancestors attended, it was interesting to see their names in the punishment book, and also read that there were times when they couldn't attend because they had no shoes. Sandie Sandie. Sandie Sent from my iPad > On 1 Mar 2014, at 05:20, Karen Hodges <[email protected]> wrote: > > I don't have access to early Wormegay parish records. I am interested > in finding out please if James and Mary Bird married 1702 in Wormegay > had a daughter Mary and or son James. > > Karen > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

ED George Scriven and Jane Barchard were married on 25th October 1797 at St Andrew's Church Norwich by Banns. George signed and Jane her mark Found in Family Search Margaret -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, 1 March 2014 3:22 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [NFK] QUERY I wonder if there is sks with access to marriage data for St. Nicholas, Great Yarmouth who could let me know what information is shown for the bride in the following: George Scrivens and Jane Barchard were married on 25th October 1797 at St. Nicholas, Great Yarmouth. Kind regards; ED.

Many thanks to Nivard Ovington & Bob Rust for their time & trouble in helping me to trace William Mackie. You are both very generous people! Julie Armiger

Dennis, I may be stating the obvious... did you check the Archdeacon's Transcripts and Bishop's Transcripts? The BT's are a PITA to go through because they are organised by year and the parishes are "alphabetical", sort-of. And, of course, when there are AT's for a year there won't be BT's. Rosemary On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 6:31 AM, Dennis Galley <[email protected]> wrote: > Many thanks to Nivard, Mike, Peter, and others who responded to my query. > LDS has done such a fantastic job of making many Norfolk parish registers > available online, and I was hoping that Bradfield might have been grouped > in > with one of the other parishes. It appears that the GALLEY family was > fairly > prolific in Norfolk in the 1700's, so it's not going to be easy trying to > determine who belongs who. > > > > Thanks again.. > > > > Dennis > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Dennis and Nivard, I have seen parents as witnesses - in quite a lot of cases of this it is where one or both of the parties are under-age and the parents have had to give their consent. The LDS images for Norfolk are online, but I do not see Bradfield listed, so that makes me wonder whether the LDS have the original or a transcription/member submission. That suggests contacting Norfolk Record Office as being your best option for a copy. Regards Peter -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Sent: 28 February 2014 22:36 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NFK] Marriage @ Bradfield, Norfolk, 1775 Hi Dennis Sorry I can't help with the copy but even if the parents were witnesses, which is not the norm, you wouldn't know as relationship is not normally mentioned As the marriage is on familysearch you could order a copy from the LDS if others can't help you Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 28/02/2014 22:10, Dennis Galley wrote: > I would like to obtain a copy of a marriage record from the Parish > Registers for Bradfield, Norfolk. John GALLEY and Elizabeth BULLAMORE > (BULLEMURE) were married on March 22, 1775. I am particularly > interested in knowing whether or not either parents were witnesses. > > Thanks in advance... > > Dennis Galley, > Port Elgin, Ontario, > Canada ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Many thanks to Nivard, Mike, Peter, and others who responded to my query. LDS has done such a fantastic job of making many Norfolk parish registers available online, and I was hoping that Bradfield might have been grouped in with one of the other parishes. It appears that the GALLEY family was fairly prolific in Norfolk in the 1700's, so it's not going to be easy trying to determine who belongs who. Thanks again.. Dennis

Strangely the Catalogue at the Norfolk Record Office does not list a separate marriage register from 1754 until 1816, but includes the marriages for this period still in the same book as the baptisms (in contravention to Hardwicke's act. It may be therefore that the clerk at Bradfield ignored the act and carried on making the entries in the old style (without witnesses). Does anyone have access to confirm this? Keith Drage Swindon UK On 01/03/2014 02:12, Keith Drage wrote: > Space was included for witness names in the printed registers produced > to support Hardwicke's Marriage Act of 1753, introduced 25 March 1754. > Among other things, the act required the signing of the marriage entry > by the minister, the couple, and two witnesses. > > Keith Drage > Swindon UK > > On 01/03/2014 01:45, Karen Hodges wrote: >> Does anyone know when witness names to marriages were first recorded >> in parish records in Norfolk? >> >> Karen >> >> On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Mike Fry <[email protected]> wrote: >>> On 01 Mar 2014 00:10, Dennis Galley wrote: >>> >>>> I would like to obtain a copy of a marriage record from the Parish Registers >>>> for Bradfield, Norfolk. John GALLEY and Elizabeth BULLAMORE (BULLEMURE) were >>>> married on March 22, 1775. I am particularly interested in knowing whether >>>> or not either parents were witnesses. >>> According to the AT version, there were no witnesses. See www.freereg.org.uk >>> <http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/SearchResults.pl?RecordType=Marriages&RecordID=470089> >>> >>> Looks like the PR version (which would have witnesses) isn't available on >>> FamilySearch. >>> >>> -- >>> Regards, >>> Mike Fry >>> Johannesburg >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Entry in the register https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11020-34836-12?cc=1416598&wc=MMVP-7G1:1959791950 Pam On 28/02/2014 21:56, Derek Williams wrote: > ED > George Scriven and Jane Barchard were married on 25th October 1797 at St > Andrew's Church Norwich by Banns. > George signed and Jane her mark > Found in Family Search > Margaret > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Saturday, 1 March 2014 3:22 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [NFK] QUERY > > > I wonder if there is sks with access to marriage data for St. Nicholas, > Great Yarmouth who could let me know what information is shown for the bride > in the following: > > George Scrivens and Jane Barchard were married on 25th October 1797 at St. > Nicholas, Great Yarmouth. > > Kind regards; ED. > > > > > -------------------------------

It should have been 1754, when new-style marriage registers were introduced. However, just as in 1837 when another set of new registers were introduced, sone churches may have continued using the old registers for a while. An example of the 1754 new-style register. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12343-102773-26?cc=1416598&wc=MMVP-SWP:2094524777 Pam On 01/03/2014 01:45, Karen Hodges wrote: > Does anyone know when witness names to marriages were first recorded > in parish records in Norfolk? > > Karen > >

Space was included for witness names in the printed registers produced to support Hardwicke's Marriage Act of 1753, introduced 25 March 1754. Among other things, the act required the signing of the marriage entry by the minister, the couple, and two witnesses. Keith Drage Swindon UK On 01/03/2014 01:45, Karen Hodges wrote: > Does anyone know when witness names to marriages were first recorded > in parish records in Norfolk? > > Karen > > On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Mike Fry <[email protected]> wrote: >> On 01 Mar 2014 00:10, Dennis Galley wrote: >> >>> I would like to obtain a copy of a marriage record from the Parish Registers >>> for Bradfield, Norfolk. John GALLEY and Elizabeth BULLAMORE (BULLEMURE) were >>> married on March 22, 1775. I am particularly interested in knowing whether >>> or not either parents were witnesses. >> According to the AT version, there were no witnesses. See www.freereg.org.uk >> <http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/SearchResults.pl?RecordType=Marriages&RecordID=470089> >> >> Looks like the PR version (which would have witnesses) isn't available on >> FamilySearch. >> >> -- >> Regards, >> Mike Fry >> Johannesburg >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

On 01 Mar 2014 00:10, Dennis Galley wrote: > I would like to obtain a copy of a marriage record from the Parish Registers > for Bradfield, Norfolk. John GALLEY and Elizabeth BULLAMORE (BULLEMURE) were > married on March 22, 1775. I am particularly interested in knowing whether > or not either parents were witnesses. According to the AT version, there were no witnesses. See www.freereg.org.uk <http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/SearchResults.pl?RecordType=Marriages&RecordID=470089> Looks like the PR version (which would have witnesses) isn't available on FamilySearch. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg

Hi Dennis Sorry I can't help with the copy but even if the parents were witnesses, which is not the norm, you wouldn't know as relationship is not normally mentioned As the marriage is on familysearch you could order a copy from the LDS if others can't help you Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 28/02/2014 22:10, Dennis Galley wrote: > I would like to obtain a copy of a marriage record from the Parish Registers > for Bradfield, Norfolk. John GALLEY and Elizabeth BULLAMORE (BULLEMURE) were > married on March 22, 1775. I am particularly interested in knowing whether > or not either parents were witnesses. > > Thanks in advance... > > Dennis Galley, > Port Elgin, Ontario, > Canada

On 28 Feb 2014 16:21, Nivard Ovington wrote: > I have never seen the point of digests personally, in the days of dial > up perhaps but now with most on broadband it seems to create more work > than they are worth Me neither. There are people out there that think because a digest is only one message that it's substantially smaller than the individual messages that it's made up from. That's a marginal fallacy. They also think that their limited-space Inbox will consume less space if they receive a digest. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg

I would like to obtain a copy of a marriage record from the Parish Registers for Bradfield, Norfolk. John GALLEY and Elizabeth BULLAMORE (BULLEMURE) were married on March 22, 1775. I am particularly interested in knowing whether or not either parents were witnesses. Thanks in advance... Dennis Galley, Port Elgin, Ontario, Canada

I believe he was killed in the fighting at the Quarries (Hulluch). There is a lot of information available through Googling which I mention because I have not personally heard of this action before Michael Allbrook -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of elizabeth howard Sent: 28 February 2014 16:13 To: [email protected] Subject: [NFK] CYRIL WALKER Hi , and thanks for this and yes everyone was most helpful so that we can confirm once and for all that Cyril Walker was indeed the son of Arthur and Emma and born 1895 and KIA in Oct 1915 . He was as Nivard has said, 7th Bttn Norfolk Regt and I am now moving forward toward the end of the back story of each of these men, and will then find their dates of enlistment if poss, and their place of death more specific than France and Flanders. I`ll try to find the war diaries to see where the 7th Bttn were in Oct 1915.......it will give us a clearer idea of their lives.... I have now sorted Percy Eagle as being the son of Arthur and Martha originally of Massingham, but later when Percy joined of the Swan Hotel Downham and his younger brother Albert George who served but survived took the Rose and Crown in 1918 at Hilgay which is where the letter from Mrs Eagle ,enquiring after Percy`s death came from . I think that anchors Percy . Now to unravel the lives of Lot Fincham`s family ........ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Nivard, will do; ED. -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 4:35 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NFK] QUERY George SCRIVENS marriage 1797 Jane BARCHARD Hi Ed I was going to say you can check this yourself as the PRs are on familysearch However there is no marriage for that couple in the register <https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12309-7456-92?cc=1416598&wc=MMVP-H1B:40136955> I would check your source first then check before and after the above page You may find there has been some constructive accountancy as regards the date of marriage, was there a child born around the same time so they adjusted the marriage year perhaps? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 28/02/2014 16:22, [email protected] wrote: > > I wonder if there is sks with access to marriage data for St. Nicholas, > Great Yarmouth who could let me know what information is shown for the > bride in the following: > > George Scrivens and Jane Barchard were married on 25th October 1797 at St. > Nicholas, Great Yarmouth. > > Kind regards; ED. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Ed I was going to say you can check this yourself as the PRs are on familysearch However there is no marriage for that couple in the register <https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12309-7456-92?cc=1416598&wc=MMVP-H1B:40136955> I would check your source first then check before and after the above page You may find there has been some constructive accountancy as regards the date of marriage, was there a child born around the same time so they adjusted the marriage year perhaps? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 28/02/2014 16:22, [email protected] wrote: > > I wonder if there is sks with access to marriage data for St. Nicholas, Great Yarmouth who could let me know what information is shown for the bride in the following: > > George Scrivens and Jane Barchard were married on 25th October 1797 at St. Nicholas, Great Yarmouth. > > Kind regards; ED. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Elizabeth This may be a starter <http://www.wartimememoriesproject.com/greatwar/allied/norfolkregiment7-gw.php> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 28/02/2014 16:13, elizabeth howard wrote: > Hi , and thanks for this and yes everyone was most > helpful so that we can confirm once and for all that Cyril Walker was indeed > the son of Arthur and Emma and born 1895 and KIA in Oct 1915 . He was as > Nivard has said, 7th Bttn Norfolk Regt and I am now moving forward toward > the end of the back story of each of these men, and will then find their > dates of enlistment if poss, and their place of death more specific than > France and Flanders. I`ll try to find the war diaries to see where the 7th > Bttn were in Oct 1915.......it will give us a clearer idea of their > lives....

I wonder if there is sks with access to marriage data for St. Nicholas, Great Yarmouth who could let me know what information is shown for the bride in the following: George Scrivens and Jane Barchard were married on 25th October 1797 at St. Nicholas, Great Yarmouth. Kind regards; ED.

Hi , and thanks for this and yes everyone was most helpful so that we can confirm once and for all that Cyril Walker was indeed the son of Arthur and Emma and born 1895 and KIA in Oct 1915 . He was as Nivard has said, 7th Bttn Norfolk Regt and I am now moving forward toward the end of the back story of each of these men, and will then find their dates of enlistment if poss, and their place of death more specific than France and Flanders. I`ll try to find the war diaries to see where the 7th Bttn were in Oct 1915.......it will give us a clearer idea of their lives.... I have now sorted Percy Eagle as being the son of Arthur and Martha originally of Massingham, but later when Percy joined of the Swan Hotel Downham and his younger brother Albert George who served but survived took the Rose and Crown in 1918 at Hilgay which is where the letter from Mrs Eagle ,enquiring after Percy`s death came from . I think that anchors Percy . Now to unravel the lives of Lot Fincham`s family ........ life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Cook" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 2:18 PM Subject: [NFK] CYRIL WALKER > Hi Elizabeth, > > I've now received the relevant certificates and can confirm the following: > > Pte Cyril Walker 15966 of the 12th Division 7th Battalion, Norfolk Regt > was born on the 14th June, 1896 at Needingworth Road, St Ives. > > He was the son of Arthur Walker, farm labourer, and Emma Walker nee > Cook. Emma and Arthur were married on the 26^th December, 1895 -yet > another premature (!) birth to add to the family list. > Emma Walker was the daughter of Mrs Sarah Redding by her first husband, > William Cook. He was killed in action in October, 1915aged 19. > > Does the memorial give details of his regiment and/or number to confirm > that this is the man listed. > > By the way, this has added a great aunt to my tree who, although we knew > she existed, does not appear with the family in the census records. > There is one Emma Cook in service in 1891, but the age suggests that > this is her cousin. I have also added 7 of my father's cousins. > > Best wishes, > > Marjorie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >