On 05.03.2014 14:54, Jean Greenwood wrote: > Hi Veneita Thank you so much for your help Jean. I will try the 1901 again Veneita > > There were so many George Stevens b 1892 ish that unless you know > place of > birth it will be difficult. If you don't know where he was born > suggest the > 1901 census when presumably both George and Dorothy would still have > been > with parents. You can subscribe to either Ancestry or FindMy Past - I > think > they both have free trials - and then it's a case of trawling though > and > then following up what you find. > > If you have any further info on Georges birth - a certificate? - > then post > the details and I'm sure we'll be able to help. > > Cheers > Jean > > > On 5 March 2014 14:45, neita41 <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> Hello I am still looking for a connection on the name >> Stevens George Stevens born 1892 he had a sister Dorothy >> Regards >> Veneita >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Veneita There were so many George Stevens b 1892 ish that unless you know place of birth it will be difficult. If you don't know where he was born suggest the 1901 census when presumably both George and Dorothy would still have been with parents. You can subscribe to either Ancestry or FindMy Past - I think they both have free trials - and then it's a case of trawling though and then following up what you find. If you have any further info on Georges birth - a certificate? - then post the details and I'm sure we'll be able to help. Cheers Jean On 5 March 2014 14:45, neita41 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Hello I am still looking for a connection on the name > Stevens George Stevens born 1892 he had a sister Dorothy > Regards > Veneita > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello I am still looking for a connection on the name Stevens George Stevens born 1892 he had a sister Dorothy Regards Veneita

Thank you for this. I have obtained from the NRO the names of the heirs in the will of Nicholas Rooks. I had hoped that the son Samuel (my g-g-g-grandfather?) would be among them and would show his address as London, which would greatly increase the probability thaat he is "my" Samuel. Unfortunately, he was not named in the will. I did know about Samuel's siblings. Frank elizabeth howard wrote: Hi, Nicholas and Bridget had two earlier children bapt in St Clement Norwich , 1759 and 1761 and a further Bridget in 1765 at St Geo Colegate. Nicholas Rooks of St Edmund Norwich married Bridget Towler of this parish in St Geo Colegate in Feb 1759. John Towler and Daniel Clarke were the witnesses. As well there is in NROCAT a wonderful Coroner`s Inquest. Nicholas Rooks, 17, on 3rd April 1784 , All Saints. " Found dead in the passage under the walls leading from Brazen Doors to Bear ( Ber) Street Gates . Verdict Hand of God ." NRO also h as a will of Nicholas Rooks, of Norwich, 1774. However there is according to Ancestry at least one other Samuel Rooks bapt in Norwich , son of Samuel in 1770 . life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Rooks" [1]<[email protected]> To: [2]<[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 10:39 PM Subject: [NFK] Surname ROOKS in Norfolk Hello: A "Samuel Rooks" was christened 23 Jan 1763 in St. George Colegate parish, Norwich. He may be my g-g-g-grandfather. His parents were Nicolas and Bridget Rooks (maiden name unknown). Has anyone with ancestry in Norwich come across these names? If this is "my" Samuel, he moved to London prior to age 33. Was there a lot of emigration from Norwich to London in the last half of the 18th century? Thanks for any help you can give. Frank Rooks ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [3][email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [4][email protected] eb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the bo dy of the message References 1. mailto:[email protected] 2. mailto:[email protected] 3. mailto:[email protected] 4. mailto:[email protected]

Hi, Nicholas and Bridget had two earlier children bapt in St Clement Norwich , 1759 and 1761 and a further Bridget in 1765 at St Geo Colegate. Nicholas Rooks of St Edmund Norwich married Bridget Towler of this parish in St Geo Colegate in Feb 1759. John Towler and Daniel Clarke were the witnesses. As well there is in NROCAT a wonderful Coroner`s Inquest. Nicholas Rooks, 17, on 3rd April 1784 , All Saints. " Found dead in the passage under the walls leading from Brazen Doors to Bear ( Ber) Street Gates . Verdict Hand of God ." NRO also h as a will of Nicholas Rooks, of Norwich, 1774. However there is according to Ancestry at least one other Samuel Rooks bapt in Norwich , son of Samuel in 1770 . life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Rooks" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 10:39 PM Subject: [NFK] Surname ROOKS in Norfolk > > Hello: > A "Samuel Rooks" was christened 23 Jan 1763 in St. George Colegate > parish, > Norwich. > > He may be my g-g-g-grandfather. His parents were Nicolas and Bridget > Rooks > (maiden name unknown). Has anyone with ancestry in Norwich come across > these > names? > If this is "my" Samuel, he moved to London prior to age 33. Was there a > lot > of emigration from Norwich to London in the last half of the 18th > century? > Thanks for any help you can give. > Frank Rooks > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello: A "Samuel Rooks" was christened 23 Jan 1763 in St. George Colegate parish, Norwich. He may be my g-g-g-grandfather. His parents were Nicolas and Bridget Rooks (maiden name unknown). Has anyone with ancestry in Norwich come across these names? If this is "my" Samuel, he moved to London prior to age 33. Was there a lot of emigration from Norwich to London in the last half of the 18th century? Thanks for any help you can give. Frank Rooks

Thanks Bob I would like to see the information Forces comes up with but don't think they have anything original, all I have found on there (without subscribing) appears to be from soldiers died or the CWGC etc I found them a little misleading, hence wanted to know the source I think you suggested Tyneside before which would have made sense given her address in Sunderland But the marriage was a good find on your part, no wonder I couldn't see it with the errors in the transcriptions Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 04/03/2014 12:45, Bob Rust wrote: > Hi Nivard > > The military information came from Forces War Records which I understand is > taken from original records and is often more detailed than CWGC. > > I suggested the Wandsworth registration only because of the coincidence of > names, the fact that Vera would then have been 21 and the possibility of > someone from Roehampton marrying in Wandsworth. Plus Vera being a Mackum and > being back in Sunderland when widowed. > > Bob

Hi Nivard The military information came from Forces War Records which I understand is taken from original records and is often more detailed than CWGC. I suggested the Wandsworth registration only because of the coincidence of names, the fact that Vera would then have been 21 and the possibility of someone from Roehampton marrying in Wandsworth. Plus Vera being a Mackum and being back in Sunderland when widowed. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [NFK] JOHN W FROST > Hi Bob > > Does it give a source for that information ? > > I suspect they draw it from the CWGC, rather than it being different > information > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 03/03/2014 16:03, Bob Rust wrote: >> Forces War Records shows John William Frost. Lieutenant 2nd Battalion >> Northamptonshire Regiment >> d 23/03/1919 married to Vera. Gallantry award Military Cross. >> >> Bob > >

Hi and wonderfully well done, thanks so much , it just adds a bit more humanity to the story . So we know a bit more about him and more sadness . I guess he was married from Roehampton hospital . how very sad , wonder who she was ......but that is a cul de sac I really should avoid spending hours wandering down !!!! I am still only on G and have the rest to do !!!! life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Rust" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [NFK] JOHN W FROST > Had another ferret round > A John William Frost married Vera Thompson 4/4 1918 she was the only Vera > as > far as I could see who fitted the age criteria was registered Tynemouth > 4/41896 maybe all coincidences. > > Bob > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "elizabeth howard" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 11:29 AM > Subject: [NFK] JOHN W FROST > > > Hi again, the CWGC site says John William Frost , MC , 2nd > Lt > Northamptonshire Regt, d 1919 . The London Gazette says 2nd Lt ( A > /Cpt) > ALBERT John Frost, MC , Northamptonshire Regt d 1919.. .Oh dear > ......This > is a decision for King Solomon, I think we are allright to claim him up > to > his death in 1919 at Roehampton.....but I am not sure our boy had the MC > ......maybe I should just make a note.....poss MC ? > > > > > life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Bob Well found, it may be the marriage, although it was registered in Wandsworth unless there is a huge coincidence I went looking as I wondered why I hadn't found it and soon discovered why It seems to be a catalogue of errors On freebmd Marriages Dec 1918 Thompson Vera Frost Wandsworth 1d 1068 Frost John W Thompson Wandsworth 1d *1066* (correction added) And on Ancestry A really poor and hard to read page image, usually Ancestrys are clearer England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005 about John G Frost Name: John *G* Frost Spouse Surname: Thompson Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1918 Registration district: Wandsworth Inferred County: London Volume Number: 1d Page Number: *1083* Correction and note added Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 03/03/2014 16:50, Bob Rust wrote: > Had another ferret round > A John William Frost married Vera Thompson 4/4 1918 she was the only Vera as > far as I could see who fitted the age criteria was registered Tynemouth > 4/41896 maybe all coincidences. > > Bob

Hi Bob Does it give a source for that information ? I suspect they draw it from the CWGC, rather than it being different information Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 03/03/2014 16:03, Bob Rust wrote: > Forces War Records shows John William Frost. Lieutenant 2nd Battalion > Northamptonshire Regiment > d 23/03/1919 married to Vera. Gallantry award Military Cross. > > Bob

Had another ferret round A John William Frost married Vera Thompson 4/4 1918 she was the only Vera as far as I could see who fitted the age criteria was registered Tynemouth 4/41896 maybe all coincidences. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "elizabeth howard" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 11:29 AM Subject: [NFK] JOHN W FROST Hi again, the CWGC site says John William Frost , MC , 2nd Lt Northamptonshire Regt, d 1919 . The London Gazette says 2nd Lt ( A /Cpt) ALBERT John Frost, MC , Northamptonshire Regt d 1919.. .Oh dear ......This is a decision for King Solomon, I think we are allright to claim him up to his death in 1919 at Roehampton.....but I am not sure our boy had the MC ......maybe I should just make a note.....poss MC ? life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=///

Thanks Bob very much . life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Rust" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [NFK] JOHN W FROST > Forces War Records shows John William Frost. Lieutenant 2nd Battalion > Northamptonshire Regiment > d 23/03/1919 married to Vera. Gallantry award Military Cross. > > Bob > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "elizabeth howard" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 11:29 AM > Subject: [NFK] JOHN W FROST > > > Hi again, the CWGC site says John William Frost , MC , 2nd > Lt > Northamptonshire Regt, d 1919 . The London Gazette says 2nd Lt ( A > /Cpt) > ALBERT John Frost, MC , Northamptonshire Regt d 1919.. .Oh dear > ......This > is a decision for King Solomon, I think we are allright to claim him up > to > his death in 1919 at Roehampton.....but I am not sure our boy had the MC > ......maybe I should just make a note.....poss MC ? > > > > > life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Forces War Records shows John William Frost. Lieutenant 2nd Battalion Northamptonshire Regiment d 23/03/1919 married to Vera. Gallantry award Military Cross. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "elizabeth howard" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 11:29 AM Subject: [NFK] JOHN W FROST Hi again, the CWGC site says John William Frost , MC , 2nd Lt Northamptonshire Regt, d 1919 . The London Gazette says 2nd Lt ( A /Cpt) ALBERT John Frost, MC , Northamptonshire Regt d 1919.. .Oh dear ......This is a decision for King Solomon, I think we are allright to claim him up to his death in 1919 at Roehampton.....but I am not sure our boy had the MC ......maybe I should just make a note.....poss MC ? life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=///

Hi I have just joined you list and I hopping someone could be researching the the name Stevens. my grandfather George Stevens born 1892. he had a sister Dorothy born around 1897 she had a son Stanley he lived Caster on sea. but I am afraid I don't know Dorothy's married name I think she came from South Wales Hope someone can help Regards Veneita

Hi , I think you have exactly solved it ......I didn`t find the Supplement to the LG and that shows that he was definitely MC and he would have been on 1/2 pay because he was in Roehampton. But I can`t find a JW Frost on the MC citations anywhere ? So do we think the LG made the mistake ? showing Albert John MC ? And I agree he is an entirely different man .......but did our get the MC ? life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [NFK] JOHN W FROST > Hi again > > Does the extract I gave you predate the one you found for Albert ? > > ie is it another man entirely > > Supplement to the London Gazette 17th January 1919 (p)873 > > North'n R - 2nd Lt. J.W. Frost, M.C., to be Lt. 8th Oct. 1918. > Lt. J.W. Frost, M.C., is placed on the h.p. list on account of ill > health caused by wounds. 18th Jan 1919. > > (h.p. = Half Pay) > > Looking at the CWGC there are no Albert FROST deaths listed for 1919 for > any regiment, neither is there an Albert FROST in soldiers died for 1919 > Northants Regt > > Newspapers are prone to mistakes, so the Albert could be a mistake if > there is other evidence to link the two gazette extracts > > However there is a medal card as follows for an Albert John FROST who > was an acting Captain > > > British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920 about Albert John > Frost > Name: Albert John Frost > Regiment or Corps: Highland Light Infantry, Northumberland Fusiliers, > Northamptonshire Regiment > Regimental Number: 10757, 10757, 10757 > > I would say the Albert is an entirely different man > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 03/03/2014 11:29, elizabeth howard wrote: >> Hi again, the CWGC site says John William Frost , MC , 2nd Lt >> Northamptonshire Regt, d 1919 . The London Gazette says 2nd Lt ( A >> /Cpt) ALBERT John Frost, MC , Northamptonshire Regt d 1919.. .Oh >> dear ......This is a decision for King Solomon, I think we are >> allright to claim him up to his death in 1919 at Roehampton.....but I >> am not sure our boy had the MC ......maybe I should just make a >> note.....poss MC ? > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Pam That is quite true in many cases but in J W FROSTs case the MC is mentioned in the London Gazette in January before his death Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 03/03/2014 12:18, Pam Downes wrote: > Is it possible that he was awarded the MC posthumously? And even later > than the memorial was built? > I know of one incident in WW2 when a ship was torpoed in July 1941 but > the George Cross wasn't awarded (posthumously) to its recipient until > April 1947. > > Pam

Is it possible that he was awarded the MC posthumously? And even later than the memorial was built? I know of one incident in WW2 when a ship was torpoed in July 1941 but the George Cross wasn't awarded (posthumously) to its recipient until April 1947. Pam On 03/03/2014 10:43, elizabeth howard wrote: > Hi Nivard, I would have expected that too . An MC is worth > shouting about, but nothing on either memorial . The CWGC shows Mrs Vera > Frost at 12 Eden Vale , Sunderland but like you I couldn`t find a marriage > for them .......and that explains the second address on the medal card. but > the first address was Wisbech Road, Norfolk, . And I think the Frosts of > Downham West would certainly be considered as on the Wisbech Road. He is > an interesting chap and I would like to claim him ........not for nothing > were serving soldiers commissioned, and not for nothing were soldiers > awarded the MC .....now to find the citation . > > > > > > life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nivard Ovington" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2014 11:42 PM > Subject: Re: [NFK] JOHN W FROST > > >> Hi Elizabeth >> >> I could not find a Vera FROST or marriage to one, different names at >> that address in 1911 >> >> This man has a Military Cross and I would have expected that to be >> mentioned on a memorial, is it? >> >> UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919 about John William Frost >> Name: John William Frost >> Death Date: 23 Mar 1919 >> Rank: Lieutenant >> Regiment: Northamptonshire Regiment >> Battalion: 2nd Battalion >> Decoration: MC >> Type of Casualty: Died >> >> From the CWGC >> >> FROST, JOHN WILLIAM >> Rank: Lieutenant >> Date of Death: 23/03/1919 >> Age: 29 >> Regiment/Service: Northamptonshire Regiment 2nd Bn. >> Awards: M C >> Grave Reference I1. 224. >> Cemetery OXFORD (BOTLEY) CEMETERY >> Additional Information: >> Husband of Vera Frost, of 12, Eden Vale, Sunderland. >> >> Supplement to the London Gazette 17th January 1919 (p)873 >> >> North'n R - 2nd Lt. J.W. Frost, M.C., to be Lt. 8th Oct. 1918. >> Lt. J.W. Frost, M.C., is placed on the h.p. list on account of ill >> health caused by wounds. 18th Jan 1919. >> >> (h.p. = Half Pay) >> >> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >> >> On 02/03/2014 14:45, elizabeth howard wrote: >>> Hi , another puzzle .....going on the basis that most of these >>> young men were born between 1885 and 1895 I tried the 1891 and 1901 >>> census for John Frost, and came up with a family of John and Eliza >>> with children living in Bridge St , Downham. By 1911 the family are >>> in Downham west but no sign of John ......however the Medal Cards >>> show a John William originally Corp 19th Hussars , who was later >>> commissioned into the Northants Regt .....he was commissioned in >>> April 1917 . No happy ending here, the Matron of Templeton House , >>> Roehampton , forwards the claim of 2nd Lt JW Frost to 1914 star, in >>> Dec 1917 , and Mrs J W applies for medals due to her LATE son ,. he >>> died in March 1919 . And the address given for Mrs J W Frost is 2/ >>> Wisbech Road, Norfolk. but alongside that is 12 Eden Vale , >>> Sunderland. in a later hand ...... What does the list make of this >>> man ? is he the missing John Frost on our memorial ? His mother >>> was Eliza Frost but her husband had been a John Frost so would she >>> call herself Mrs J W as widow ? is that even relevant ? >> -------------------------------

Hi again Does the extract I gave you predate the one you found for Albert ? ie is it another man entirely Supplement to the London Gazette 17th January 1919 (p)873 North'n R - 2nd Lt. J.W. Frost, M.C., to be Lt. 8th Oct. 1918. Lt. J.W. Frost, M.C., is placed on the h.p. list on account of ill health caused by wounds. 18th Jan 1919. (h.p. = Half Pay) Looking at the CWGC there are no Albert FROST deaths listed for 1919 for any regiment, neither is there an Albert FROST in soldiers died for 1919 Northants Regt Newspapers are prone to mistakes, so the Albert could be a mistake if there is other evidence to link the two gazette extracts However there is a medal card as follows for an Albert John FROST who was an acting Captain British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920 about Albert John Frost Name: Albert John Frost Regiment or Corps: Highland Light Infantry, Northumberland Fusiliers, Northamptonshire Regiment Regimental Number: 10757, 10757, 10757 I would say the Albert is an entirely different man Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 03/03/2014 11:29, elizabeth howard wrote: > Hi again, the CWGC site says John William Frost , MC , 2nd Lt > Northamptonshire Regt, d 1919 . The London Gazette says 2nd Lt ( A > /Cpt) ALBERT John Frost, MC , Northamptonshire Regt d 1919.. .Oh > dear ......This is a decision for King Solomon, I think we are > allright to claim him up to his death in 1919 at Roehampton.....but I > am not sure our boy had the MC ......maybe I should just make a > note.....poss MC ?

Hi again, the CWGC site says John William Frost , MC , 2nd Lt Northamptonshire Regt, d 1919 . The London Gazette says 2nd Lt ( A /Cpt) ALBERT John Frost, MC , Northamptonshire Regt d 1919.. .Oh dear ......This is a decision for King Solomon, I think we are allright to claim him up to his death in 1919 at Roehampton.....but I am not sure our boy had the MC ......maybe I should just make a note.....poss MC ? life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=///