Thanks Mike. Shame on me for not looking at freereg - I've transcribed for them in the past!!! John On 15/03/2014 12:25 AM, Mike Fry wrote: > On 14 Mar 2014 06:08, Our Mail wrote: > >> I am looking for information on the Bortis family. Samuel Bortis >> married Ann Cowley by licence in Tynemouth, Northumberland on 13 Dec >> 1744. On the marriage bond Samuel was described as being 22 years old >> and a mariner from Yarmouth Norfolk. I have searched the Archdeacon's >> transcripts on-line but found no trace of Samuel, or any other Bortis. >> Does anyone have knowledge of the family? > Just because Samuel was said to have been from Yarmouth, doesn't necessarily > mean that he born in Yarmouth. That could just be where his ship was ordinarily > to be found. He could have been born anywhere along the east coast. > > Having said that, FreeREG <http://www.freereg.org.uk> has four baptisms of the > surname, three of which took place in Great Yarmouth in the mid to late 1730's. > In each case the parents of the three girls were John & Ellen (Ellenor) BORTIS. > > FreeREG also has a few burials in Yarmouth. These look interesting. >

I note that 2 of his daughters were born in Mulbarton and a few months after the birth of the younger he is shown living in Swardston, Next door is another Calver (Elijah) living with his stepmother Gorgiana, so perhaps several of the same family in close proximity, Was this all part of the Keswick estate at this time ? David -----Original Message----- From: Michael Wilkinson <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 12:43 Subject: Re: [NFK] War memorials Hi Dina f you are referring to the photo on' Flickr' then that is the memorial in he church porch, and the names in gold are those that perished in the war. here is another memorial in the church itself listing those that died, and ames Carver is shown on that one also. Please see link below: http://www.mulbchurch.org.uk/Resources/Guide/4.html Kind regards ike -----Original Message----- rom: mrs d smith ent: Friday, March 14, 2014 9:35 PM o: [email protected] com ubject: [NFK] War memorials Mulbarton state's "served" in the War whereas Newton Flotman says "died". If ou Google them, there are photos. Dina ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Just remembered that the 19th C Unitarian Old Meeting House on Howard Street/Gaol Street ( now Yarmouth Way) was bombed out in the war along with some of the Rows, There is a new Meeting House on the site . Hope this does not affect your search for records. http://www.ukunitarians.org.uk/greatyarmouth/history.htm Rosie On 14/03/2014 23:26, Our Mail wrote: > Thanks Rosie - I'll bear that in mind if I can't find what I want with a > closer spelling. > John > > On 14/03/2014 11:37 PM, [email protected] wrote: >> This seems to be an uncommon name in the area but bear in mind the more >> common Boggis perhaps when you are looking. >> Rosie >> On 14/03/2014 11:28, elizabeth howard wrote: >>> Hi, Ancestry has a baptism of a Benjamin Bortis son of >>> Mr Benjamin Bortis , mariner, and Elizabeth his wife baptised Sept 26th >>> about a week old. This is an entry in the Yarmouth , Gaol St, Old Meeting >>> , Presbyterian , 1706-1820 register. And there is a Benjamin Bortis listed >>> in the 1734 Norfolk Poll book for Yarmouth. The National Archives has a >>> will for Samuel dated 1807 of Longbenton Colliery , mariner. However unless >>> the surname is spelled very differently , there seems to be no other record >>> of the family. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Our Mail" <[email protected]> >>> To: <NORFO[email protected]> >>> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 4:08 AM >>> Subject: [NFK] BORTIS family of Yarmouth >>> >>> >>>> I am looking for information on the Bortis family. Samuel Bortis >>>> married Ann Cowley by licence in Tynemouth, Northumberland on 13 Dec >>>> 1744. On the marriage bond Samuel was described as being 22 years old >>>> and a mariner from Yarmouth Norfolk. I have searched the Archdeacon's >>>> transcripts on-line but found no trace of Samuel, or any other Bortis. >>>> Does anyone have knowledge of the family? >>>> >>>> John, in NSW >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you. Benjamin seems to be a family name Elizabeth, it appears in several generations after the Samuel I'm seeking. I've searched Ancestry, Findmypast and Family Search and although there are a number of Bortis references the bpt of my Samuel is nowhere to be seen. I have the Will you mention, but that only served to confirm that I had identified Benjamin's descendants correctly. The search continues! John On 14/03/2014 10:28 PM, elizabeth howard wrote: > Hi, Ancestry has a baptism of a Benjamin Bortis son of > Mr Benjamin Bortis , mariner, and Elizabeth his wife baptised Sept 26th > about a week old. This is an entry in the Yarmouth , Gaol St, Old Meeting > , Presbyterian , 1706-1820 register. And there is a Benjamin Bortis listed > in the 1734 Norfolk Poll book for Yarmouth. The National Archives has a > will for Samuel dated 1807 of Longbenton Colliery , mariner. However unless > the surname is spelled very differently , there seems to be no other record > of the family. > > > > > life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Our Mail" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 4:08 AM > Subject: [NFK] BORTIS family of Yarmouth > > >> I am looking for information on the Bortis family. Samuel Bortis >> married Ann Cowley by licence in Tynemouth, Northumberland on 13 Dec >> 1744. On the marriage bond Samuel was described as being 22 years old >> and a mariner from Yarmouth Norfolk. I have searched the Archdeacon's >> transcripts on-line but found no trace of Samuel, or any other Bortis. >> Does anyone have knowledge of the family? >> >> John, in NSW >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Mulbarton state's "served" in the War whereas Newton Flotman says "died". If you Google them, there are photos. Dina

Hello Listers. I am new to the list. Have been researching a Leeder family in Suffolk and recently discovered that they originally came from Norfolk in the early 1700s. The parish in question is North Lopham. Reportedly Thomas Leeder, born about 1690, from North Lopham, married a Suffolk girl. They settled in the parish of Elmswell, near Bury St Edmunds. There was a strong connection between the two parishes as a Simon Leeder and his bride, Martha Alderidge, both North Lopham, married in Elmswell in 1728. I have found four of their children baptized in NL. Thomas Leeder was the witness. And in 1743 Thomas' son Thomas and his bride, Bridget Rose, both Elmswell married in North Lopham. Unfortunately, the Latter Day Saints only have the PRs from 1725 for some reason. Do any PRs survive for the earlier period for NL? Would anyone have a copy of them or know where to get them? Would love to know who Thomas' and Simon's parents were. And, by the way, with all the discussion about pronunciation, how is North Lopham pronounced? Paul Coté Frigid and snowy Canada

If you check under the spelling Bortice at either Ancestry or FamilySearch then it appears Benjamin and Elizabeth also had a son Samuel baptised at the same place in 1724. It's a bit later than the licence might suggest but still a possibilty? Pauline On 14/03/2014 11:28, elizabeth howard wrote: > Hi, Ancestry has a baptism of a Benjamin Bortis son of > Mr Benjamin Bortis , mariner, and Elizabeth his wife baptised Sept 26th > about a week old. This is an entry in the Yarmouth , Gaol St, Old Meeting > , Presbyterian , 1706-1820 register. And there is a Benjamin Bortis listed > in the 1734 Norfolk Poll book for Yarmouth. The National Archives has a > will for Samuel dated 1807 of Longbenton Colliery , mariner. However unless > the surname is spelled very differently , there seems to be no other record > of the family. > > > > > life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Our Mail" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 4:08 AM > Subject: [NFK] BORTIS family of Yarmouth > > >> I am looking for information on the Bortis family. Samuel Bortis >> married Ann Cowley by licence in Tynemouth, Northumberland on 13 Dec >> 1744. On the marriage bond Samuel was described as being 22 years old >> and a mariner from Yarmouth Norfolk. I have searched the Archdeacon's >> transcripts on-line but found no trace of Samuel, or any other Bortis. >> Does anyone have knowledge of the family? >> >> John, in NSW

On 14 Mar 2014 06:08, Our Mail wrote: > I am looking for information on the Bortis family. Samuel Bortis > married Ann Cowley by licence in Tynemouth, Northumberland on 13 Dec > 1744. On the marriage bond Samuel was described as being 22 years old > and a mariner from Yarmouth Norfolk. I have searched the Archdeacon's > transcripts on-line but found no trace of Samuel, or any other Bortis. > Does anyone have knowledge of the family? Just because Samuel was said to have been from Yarmouth, doesn't necessarily mean that he born in Yarmouth. That could just be where his ship was ordinarily to be found. He could have been born anywhere along the east coast. Having said that, FreeREG <http://www.freereg.org.uk> has four baptisms of the surname, three of which took place in Great Yarmouth in the mid to late 1730's. In each case the parents of the three girls were John & Ellen (Ellenor) BORTIS. FreeREG also has a few burials in Yarmouth. These look interesting. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg

A quick search at NRO's online catalogue (http://nrocat.norfolk.gov.uk/DServe/public/searches/nroprobate.htm) shows several wills and admons for people surnamed Bortis in Great Yarmouth in the late 17th to mid 18th centuries, including a Samuel in 1709. Clearly this is not the Samuel you mention but could perhaps be an earlier namesake. If the family were non-conformist (as suggested by an earlier post) then it may be you will not find any surviving record of Samuel's birth or baptism but it may be worth following up the will of Benjamin Bortis, mariner, 1760, to see if your Samuel is mentioned in it. Pauline On 14/03/2014 12:30, Our Mail wrote: > Thank you. Benjamin seems to be a family name Elizabeth, it appears in > several generations after the Samuel I'm seeking. I've searched > Ancestry, Findmypast and Family Search and although there are a number > of Bortis references the bpt of my Samuel is nowhere to be seen. I have > the Will you mention, but that only served to confirm that I had > identified Benjamin's descendants correctly. The search continues! > > John > > On 14/03/2014 10:28 PM, elizabeth howard wrote: >> Hi, Ancestry has a baptism of a Benjamin Bortis son of >> Mr Benjamin Bortis , mariner, and Elizabeth his wife baptised Sept 26th >> about a week old. This is an entry in the Yarmouth , Gaol St, Old Meeting >> , Presbyterian , 1706-1820 register. And there is a Benjamin Bortis listed >> in the 1734 Norfolk Poll book for Yarmouth. The National Archives has a >> will for Samuel dated 1807 of Longbenton Colliery , mariner. However unless >> the surname is spelled very differently , there seems to be no other record >> of the family. >> >> >> >> >> life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Our Mail" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 4:08 AM >> Subject: [NFK] BORTIS family of Yarmouth >> >> >>> I am looking for information on the Bortis family. Samuel Bortis >>> married Ann Cowley by licence in Tynemouth, Northumberland on 13 Dec >>> 1744. On the marriage bond Samuel was described as being 22 years old >>> and a mariner from Yarmouth Norfolk. I have searched the Archdeacon's >>> transcripts on-line but found no trace of Samuel, or any other Bortis. >>> Does anyone have knowledge of the family? >>> >>> John, in NSW

I am looking for information on the Bortis family. Samuel Bortis married Ann Cowley by licence in Tynemouth, Northumberland on 13 Dec 1744. On the marriage bond Samuel was described as being 22 years old and a mariner from Yarmouth Norfolk. I have searched the Archdeacon's transcripts on-line but found no trace of Samuel, or any other Bortis. Does anyone have knowledge of the family? John, in NSW

-----Original Message----- From: Michael Wilkinson <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 20:40 Subject: [NFK] WW1 Memorials - James Carver On the WW1 Memorials from both Mulbarton and Newton Flotman there is a James arver. The two villages are about 2 miles apart, and it is believed that they re for the same person. Researchers in both villagers have tried to find out ho this James Carver is, and have narrowed it down to a James Carver born in ntwood about 1883 to a John and Harriet Carver. In 1905 James married Cicely Elizabeth Canham, born in Braconash in 1885. It is nown that Cicely died in 1975, but we have no idea of the date of James death. bviously, we could obtain a copy of Cicely’s death certificate and try to trace he informant, but if someone has both of them in their tree it would save us he cost of the certificate. Does anyone own them??????????????? ind regards ike Wilkinson ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

This seems to be an uncommon name in the area but bear in mind the more common Boggis perhaps when you are looking. Rosie On 14/03/2014 11:28, elizabeth howard wrote: > Hi, Ancestry has a baptism of a Benjamin Bortis son of > Mr Benjamin Bortis , mariner, and Elizabeth his wife baptised Sept 26th > about a week old. This is an entry in the Yarmouth , Gaol St, Old Meeting > , Presbyterian , 1706-1820 register. And there is a Benjamin Bortis listed > in the 1734 Norfolk Poll book for Yarmouth. The National Archives has a > will for Samuel dated 1807 of Longbenton Colliery , mariner. However unless > the surname is spelled very differently , there seems to be no other record > of the family. > > > > > life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Our Mail" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 4:08 AM > Subject: [NFK] BORTIS family of Yarmouth > > >> I am looking for information on the Bortis family. Samuel Bortis >> married Ann Cowley by licence in Tynemouth, Northumberland on 13 Dec >> 1744. On the marriage bond Samuel was described as being 22 years old >> and a mariner from Yarmouth Norfolk. I have searched the Archdeacon's >> transcripts on-line but found no trace of Samuel, or any other Bortis. >> Does anyone have knowledge of the family? >> >> John, in NSW >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Ancestry has a baptism of a Benjamin Bortis son of Mr Benjamin Bortis , mariner, and Elizabeth his wife baptised Sept 26th about a week old. This is an entry in the Yarmouth , Gaol St, Old Meeting , Presbyterian , 1706-1820 register. And there is a Benjamin Bortis listed in the 1734 Norfolk Poll book for Yarmouth. The National Archives has a will for Samuel dated 1807 of Longbenton Colliery , mariner. However unless the surname is spelled very differently , there seems to be no other record of the family. life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Our Mail" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 4:08 AM Subject: [NFK] BORTIS family of Yarmouth >I am looking for information on the Bortis family. Samuel Bortis > married Ann Cowley by licence in Tynemouth, Northumberland on 13 Dec > 1744. On the marriage bond Samuel was described as being 22 years old > and a mariner from Yarmouth Norfolk. I have searched the Archdeacon's > transcripts on-line but found no trace of Samuel, or any other Bortis. > Does anyone have knowledge of the family? > > John, in NSW > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, is he a soldier killed in WW1 ? or is he commemorated as a soldier from the village who served ? assuming he was killed, CWGC site has 8 James Carver and many more J Carver , but none seem to be from Norfolk......or of the Norfolk Regt ...the medal rolls have many James Carvers. life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Wilkinson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 8:36 PM Subject: [NFK] WW1 Memorials - James Carver > On the WW1 Memorials from both Mulbarton and Newton Flotman there is a > James Carver. The two villages are about 2 miles apart, and it is > believed that they are for the same person. Researchers in both villagers > have tried to find out who this James Carver is, and have narrowed it down > to a James Carver born in Intwood about 1883 to a John and Harriet Carver. > > In 1905 James married Cicely Elizabeth Canham, born in Braconash in 1885. > It is known that Cicely died in 1975, but we have no idea of the date of > James death. Obviously, we could obtain a copy of Cicely’s death > certificate and try to trace the informant, but if someone has both of > them in their tree it would save us the cost of the certificate. > > Does anyone own them??????????????? > Kind regards > Mike Wilkinson > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A couple of thoughts. If he is on the War Memorial, the strong implication is that he died as a result of his military service therefore he is probably listed on CWGC or have I missed something? Secondly, was his first name James? Was it his second name or simply the name by which he was known locally? Thirdly could the army have incorrectly recorded his surname? Michael Allbrook -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michael Wilkinson Sent: 13 March 2014 20:36 To: [email protected] Subject: [NFK] WW1 Memorials - James Carver On the WW1 Memorials from both Mulbarton and Newton Flotman there is a James Carver. The two villages are about 2 miles apart, and it is believed that they are for the same person. Researchers in both villagers have tried to find out who this James Carver is, and have narrowed it down to a James Carver born in Intwood about 1883 to a John and Harriet Carver. In 1905 James married Cicely Elizabeth Canham, born in Braconash in 1885. It is known that Cicely died in 1975, but we have no idea of the date of James death. Obviously, we could obtain a copy of Cicely’s death certificate and try to trace the informant, but if someone has both of them in their tree it would save us the cost of the certificate. Does anyone own them??????????????? Kind regards Mike Wilkinson ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Frank, can you use the 1881 census enumerators' returns to work out the route taken by the enumerator who listed your ancestors? Also, might a comparison with the 1891 census be illuminating at all? -- Christopher Pipe BA DipLib MCLIP researching and indexing Norfolk history [email protected] (and see www.cromerdictionary.co.uk) -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of FRANK MUIRHEAD Sent: 13 March 2014 16:29 To: [email protected] Subject: [NFK] Chapel Stteet, Norwich I wonder if some knowledgeable Lister/Listers can help me out of my dilema? On the 1881 census for Norwich my GGfather James Muirhead was head of the household at 28 Chapel Street, Norwich. (St Stephens), My Gfather Albert was born there. I have been trying to pinpoint the house on various maps of the area. I t is most confusing,  On one map I have a Chapel St. Crooks Place behind the Old Norfolk & Norwich Hospital, showing King Street &  Queen Street between that and the Hospital. In close proximity there is another Chapel Street sandwiched between Coach & Horses Road and Globe Street. Drink map of Norwich dated 1892 shows the one in Crooks Place, the one between C & H and Globe  St. has no name attached.  1905 O.S. map shows only the one between Coach & Horses and Globe Street. I did notice on another map  (lost it at present that there was another Chapel crossing the C & H/Globe St. The 1881 census also shows that the King George IV PH at 32 Chapel St. I would think that the address I want is the first one in Crooks Place, later I believe renamed Essex Street. Thanks, Frank NFHS 6871, Cromer ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Spot on Glyn about how the accent differs across the county-and the lines . Although they both farmed in the same village when I was a child the Fen grandfather ( who had given up the horses by then) said he always used one line but the Norfolk grandad, who still had a Suffolk punch and another cart horse, used two. Now I am trying to remember if they had different commands. Co'up or c'up and wheesht are all I can remember from being out on the field when the Norfolk one was picking up mangolds or straw carting. Now I shall have to check with my mother! Rosie On 13/03/2014 07:19, Glynn Burrows wrote: > The thing about the Norfolk accent, is that it is so different depending where, in the County, you are. > > My Dad grew up in Tilney and when he came to Weasenham, he found that a lot of things on the farm had different names and even the way of harnessing the horses was different as, in Tilney they used one line and in Weasenham, they used two. My Grandmother, who came from Burgh Castle, (so really in Suffolk then), always said "Norfik" & "Suffik" and when I was little, asked me if I wanted a "bowl of soap" when she really meant "soup". Norwich inhabitants had a different accent too and I remember my Uncle, who moved out to Cambridgeshire, telling me that he was in his local pub one day and someone said to him, "You come from near Fakenham don't you?" and he was quite taken aback as Weasenham is only seven miles from Fakenham and that is our local Market Town. > > So, Norfolk accent? Which Norfolk accent? > > By the way, it helps to have local knowledge as once I was researching fairs, looking for information on Kipton Ash sheep fair, when I came across a reference to "Kipmash Fair". Another time, I was looking for am ancestor and all the details, apart from the surname did fit. The bride was called "Martha Buris" and thanks to my Grandmother, I knew that this was actually "Martha Burrows" and, as the wedding was in Haddiscoe, young Martha obviously spoke with the local accent but the vicar didn't! > > > Glynn > Owner of: > > > http://www.norfolk-tours.co.uk > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On the WW1 Memorials from both Mulbarton and Newton Flotman there is a James Carver. The two villages are about 2 miles apart, and it is believed that they are for the same person. Researchers in both villagers have tried to find out who this James Carver is, and have narrowed it down to a James Carver born in Intwood about 1883 to a John and Harriet Carver. In 1905 James married Cicely Elizabeth Canham, born in Braconash in 1885. It is known that Cicely died in 1975, but we have no idea of the date of James death. Obviously, we could obtain a copy of Cicely’s death certificate and try to trace the informant, but if someone has both of them in their tree it would save us the cost of the certificate. Does anyone own them??????????????? Kind regards Mike Wilkinson

Have heard this before about the PF Site...... My house master at Wymondham College was stationed at Bircham Newton in WWII and when I ppaid a return visit to the place to sort out my sister's problems there (after our mother died) he and I wer talking and I mentioned my interest in folk music and dance with trference to step dancing he was full of how the farm workers went to the pub on a Saturday and danced. Nothing to do with dialect but interesting all the same. David Why did that comew to mind I wonder? On 13 March 2014 13:54, David Tennant <[email protected]> wrote: > David raises an interesting point. Jasper Carrot would not be perceived > as funny in a "normal" accent I think. > Accents are most noticed, it seems to me, by somebody who has an > accent themselves. I recall my Norfolk accent being pointed out to me as > "funny"when in the RAF at Weston Super Mare by people with a broad West > Country accent. ( every sentence a question!) Similarly in the Southern > States of the US. I think too I recall different intonations during my > visits to other parts of Norfolk than my own. > I also remember my visit years ago to the Plymouth Plantation, the > Pilgrim Father's Heritage Site near Boston ,Mass, where the period clad > staff spoke in a remarkably close to Norfolk accent. I recall pointing > this out to one of them and he agreed that this was the effect they were > trying to achieve though I think he was not totally clear on the origins > of the accent he was using. I tried to "broaden" it up a bit for him as > I recall. > Dave > On 13/03/2014 7:47 AM, David Mills wrote: > > The most maligned accents/dialects are Black Country and Birmingham > > accents.....next seems to be the accents of Liverpool... the psychology > of > > all this must be very interesting. > > I wonder if , as well as influences in the ex colonies, Norfolk and > Suffolk > > have influenced other areas. I'm thinking of the periods of migration > from > > the land to industry, like the NE. Also the influences of migratory > workers > > on Local speech, such as in Yarmouth . > > > > Must get on.. > > > > David > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Please note that this e-mail and any files transmitted with it may be privileged, confidential, and protected from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this communication or any of its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message and then delete this message, any attachments, and all copies and backups from your computer.

I wonder if some knowledgeable Lister/Listers can help me out of my dilema?  On the 1881 census for Norwich my GGfather James Muirhead was head of the household at 28 Chapel Street, Norwich. (St Stephens), My Gfather Albert was born there. I have been trying to pinpoint the house on various maps of the area. I t is most confusing,  On one map I have a Chapel St. Crooks Place behind the Old Norfolk & Norwich Hospital, showing King Street &  Queen Street between that and the Hospital. In close proximity there is another Chapel Street sandwiched between Coach & Horses Road and Globe Street. Drink map of Norwich dated 1892 shows the one in Crooks Place, the one between C & H and Globe  St. has no name attached.  1905 O.S. map shows only the one between Coach & Horses and Globe Street. I did notice on another map  (lost it at present that there was another Chapel crossing the C & H/Globe St. The 1881 census also shows that the King George IV PH at 32 Chapel St. I would think that the address I want is the first one in Crooks Place, later I believe renamed Essex Street. Thanks, Frank NFHS 6871, Cromer