Hi folks, Long brick wall: An ancestor died between 1841 and 1851 census records. She has a fairly common name and lived a few miles from Norwich. I have wasted money already on sending for 2 wrong death certificates. Will I need to keep posting off or is there a way of determining the correct one? Would there definitely be one? Best Wishes, Jane in Scotland looking for Elizabeth Blake, farmer's widow, Hales and Loddon. 1790 - 1840s. www.kosmoid.net/roots

You are entering the period where parish registers may have been lost for various reasons. I would suggest identifying the parishes you are interested in, possibly in a priority order of doing the work, and then identifying based on the NRO list whether the parish register exists for that parish for the period you are interested in. http://www.archives.norfolk.gov.uk/view/NCC098323 If the parish register exists, then you can check whether Freereg has transcribed it here: http://www.freereg.org.uk/parishes/nfk/frontpage.shtml If not you will have to find other sources, possbly familysearch, possibly NNGS, possibly a visit to the NRO personally. If the register does not exist for a parish, you will have to search for other sources e.g. wills, deeds, manorial records etc. If you get to that point I suggest reading one of the specialist books on the subject. Remember also there is a chance the marriage may never have existed. regards Keith Drage Swindon UK On 20/03/2014 11:14, Karen Hodges wrote: > I am trying to find the marriage of James Bird to Rebecca ? before 1691 > please. > The marriage did not take place in Clackclose hundred, it could be in one > of the southern parishes of freebridge lynn hundred. > > Karen > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > . >

Thanks Elizabeth, I have tried the first two but not the later. Karen On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 10:43 PM, elizabeth howard <[email protected]>wrote: > Hi , I am not sure that we would have have any other > sources than were available to you , I should look in FreeReg and > Familysearch , and failing them , NROCAT and Discovery National Archives to > see if there was a marriage settlement or land transactions......all > available online . > > > > > life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karen Hodges" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 11:14 AM > Subject: [NFK] marriage record > > > >I am trying to find the marriage of James Bird to Rebecca ? before 1691 > > please. > > The marriage did not take place in Clackclose hundred, it could be in one > > of the southern parishes of freebridge lynn hundred. > > > > Karen > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I am trying to find the marriage of James Bird to Rebecca ? before 1691 please. The marriage did not take place in Clackclose hundred, it could be in one of the southern parishes of freebridge lynn hundred. Karen

Hi , I am not sure that we would have have any other sources than were available to you , I should look in FreeReg and Familysearch , and failing them , NROCAT and Discovery National Archives to see if there was a marriage settlement or land transactions......all available online . life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Hodges" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 11:14 AM Subject: [NFK] marriage record >I am trying to find the marriage of James Bird to Rebecca ? before 1691 > please. > The marriage did not take place in Clackclose hundred, it could be in one > of the southern parishes of freebridge lynn hundred. > > Karen > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In 1891 he is a draper's assistant lodging at 15 Bridge Street, York with the Witfield family. References RG12/3887 Folio 73 page 6. -------------------------------------------------- From: "elizabeth howard" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 3:10 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: [NFK] WILLIAM NICKLIN > Hi another Downham boy please to catch your attention , > CWGC says born Stamford, son of Alfred of Bexwell Road, Downham.....aged > 40 when he died of wounds in August 1916....so b c 1876 . His will says > of High St , Downham , with two local business men as his > executors......he was a temp 2nd Lt in the Royal Engineers.... cannot > seem to find him in the 1891,1901 or 1911 ... Only sighting now in 1881 > census William aged 5 son of Alfred and Lenora. he is a commercial > traveller, b Stamford, and Wm has sisters Lenora and Florence, in fact he > seems to be a twin with Lenora........ and Alfred as a widower and the two > girls go on through the census. but where is William ? > > > > > > life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi another Downham boy please to catch your attention , CWGC says born Stamford, son of Alfred of Bexwell Road, Downham.....aged 40 when he died of wounds in August 1916....so b c 1876 . His will says of High St , Downham , with two local business men as his executors......he was a temp 2nd Lt in the Royal Engineers.... cannot seem to find him in the 1891,1901 or 1911 ... Only sighting now in 1881 census William aged 5 son of Alfred and Lenora. he is a commercial traveller, b Stamford, and Wm has sisters Lenora and Florence, in fact he seems to be a twin with Lenora........ and Alfred as a widower and the two girls go on through the census. but where is William ? life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=///

Hi I am writing to provide an update on the 1871 census transcription project. Three further pieces have been uploaded to the on line database and are now searchable for free on the main freecen site at http://www.freecen.org.uk These are pieces: RG10/1814 Conisford which covers the parishes of Norwich, St Julian, St Etheldred, St Peter Southgate, St John Sepulchre, Trowse Millgate, Carrow, Bracondale. RG10/1818 West Wymer which covers the parishes of Norwich, St Andrew, St John Maddermarket, St Gregory, St Lawrence, St Margaret, St Swithin, St Michael At Thorne. RG10/1822 West Wymer which covers the parishes of Norwich, St Benedict, Heigham, Earlham This means that there are now 381,304 (91.3%) 1871 Norfolk census records available to search free on line. Many thanks to all the volunteers who have kindly given up their free time to assist with the project without their help this information would not be available. Please see the main Freecen site or my website (see my signature for a link) for details of which pieces are on line. Don't forget the complete 1861 Norfolk census transcription is now available to use. Hope this helps you in your research. -- Bev Howlett FreeCen Co-Ordinator Norfolk 1861,1871,1891 Cambridge 1891 Surrey 1871,1891 Find Out How To Help http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/bevsnorfolkinfo/ http://www.freecen.org.uk

Thank you Honor, On exploring the NRO site I discovered them. Thanks for making sure that I did. I presume that the name after the folio number is the lawyer or notary's name? Compared to some other record office sites the NRO is a dream to navigate. Will start out with the will of widow Margaret in 1703 and see where that takes me. thanks again Paul

Julie wrote: Subject: Re: [NFK] Garboldisham - pronunciation? usually - Garbleshm or Garblesm ------------------------------------------------------------------- Many thanks Julie; much appreciated Best regards ............ Bill http://www.oldshuck.webspace.virginmedia.com/

Elizabeth, Thank you very much for this. I have spent several hours exploring the site. Paul

Thanks Rosie. There are some records on Ancestry - I think Presbyterian ones. John On 15/03/2014 6:26 PM, [email protected] wrote: > Just remembered that the 19th C Unitarian Old Meeting House on Howard > Street/Gaol Street ( now Yarmouth Way) was bombed out in the war along > with some of the Rows, There is a new Meeting House on the site . Hope > this does not affect your search for records. > http://www.ukunitarians.org.uk/greatyarmouth/history.htm > Rosie > On 14/03/2014 23:26, Our Mail wrote: >> Thanks Rosie - I'll bear that in mind if I can't find what I want with a >> closer spelling. >> John >> >> On 14/03/2014 11:37 PM, [email protected] wrote: >>> This seems to be an uncommon name in the area but bear in mind the more >>> common Boggis perhaps when you are looking. >>> Rosie >>> On 14/03/2014 11:28, elizabeth howard wrote: >>>> Hi, Ancestry has a baptism of a Benjamin Bortis son of >>>> Mr Benjamin Bortis , mariner, and Elizabeth his wife baptised Sept 26th >>>> about a week old. This is an entry in the Yarmouth , Gaol St, Old Meeting >>>> , Presbyterian , 1706-1820 register. And there is a Benjamin Bortis listed >>>> in the 1734 Norfolk Poll book for Yarmouth. The National Archives has a >>>> will for Samuel dated 1807 of Longbenton Colliery , mariner. However unless >>>> the surname is spelled very differently , there seems to be no other record >>>> of the family. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Our Mail" <[email protected]> >>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 4:08 AM >>>> Subject: [NFK] BORTIS family of Yarmouth >>>> >>>> >>>>> I am looking for information on the Bortis family. Samuel Bortis >>>>> married Ann Cowley by licence in Tynemouth, Northumberland on 13 Dec >>>>> 1744. On the marriage bond Samuel was described as being 22 years old >>>>> and a mariner from Yarmouth Norfolk. I have searched the Archdeacon's >>>>> transcripts on-line but found no trace of Samuel, or any other Bortis. >>>>> Does anyone have knowledge of the family? >>>>> >>>>> John, in NSW >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I wondered if it could be Herbert James Carver who I see was born and lived in Norfolk but my geographical knowledge is not sufficient to be clear Michael -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michael Wilkinson Sent: 15 March 2014 12:42 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NFK] WW1 Memorials - James Carver Hi Michael We have carried out various searches on the numerous websites to see if we could pinpoint our James Carver, but there are several possibilities, and we thought by posting a message on this site someone may have him in their tree. I know it's a long shot, but one never knows!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Regards Mike -----Original Message----- From: Michael Allbrook Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 9:40 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NFK] WW1 Memorials - James Carver A couple of thoughts. If he is on the War Memorial, the strong implication is that he died as a result of his military service therefore he is probably listed on CWGC or have I missed something? Secondly, was his first name James? Was it his second name or simply the name by which he was known locally? Thirdly could the army have incorrectly recorded his surname? Michael Allbrook -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michael Wilkinson Sent: 13 March 2014 20:36 To: [email protected] Subject: [NFK] WW1 Memorials - James Carver On the WW1 Memorials from both Mulbarton and Newton Flotman there is a James Carver. The two villages are about 2 miles apart, and it is believed that they are for the same person. Researchers in both villagers have tried to find out who this James Carver is, and have narrowed it down to a James Carver born in Intwood about 1883 to a John and Harriet Carver. In 1905 James married Cicely Elizabeth Canham, born in Braconash in 1885. It is known that Cicely died in 1975, but we have no idea of the date of James death. Obviously, we could obtain a copy of Cicely’s death certificate and try to trace the informant, but if someone has both of them in their tree it would save us the cost of the certificate. Does anyone own them??????????????? Kind regards Mike Wilkinson ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Elizabeth We know there are many James Carvers in the medal rolls which is why we thought that by appealing on this website to see if someone has him in their tree we may be able to pinpoint the right one!!!!!!!!! Regards Mike -----Original Message----- From: elizabeth howard Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 11:04 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [NFK] WW1 Memorials - James Carver Hi, is he a soldier killed in WW1 ? or is he commemorated as a soldier from the village who served ? assuming he was killed, CWGC site has 8 James Carver and many more J Carver , but none seem to be from Norfolk......or of the Norfolk Regt ...the medal rolls have many James Carvers. life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Wilkinson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 8:36 PM Subject: [NFK] WW1 Memorials - James Carver > On the WW1 Memorials from both Mulbarton and Newton Flotman there is a > James Carver. The two villages are about 2 miles apart, and it is > believed that they are for the same person. Researchers in both villagers > have tried to find out who this James Carver is, and have narrowed it down > to a James Carver born in Intwood about 1883 to a John and Harriet Carver. > > In 1905 James married Cicely Elizabeth Canham, born in Braconash in 1885. > It is known that Cicely died in 1975, but we have no idea of the date of > James death. Obviously, we could obtain a copy of Cicely’s death > certificate and try to trace the informant, but if someone has both of > them in their tree it would save us the cost of the certificate. > > Does anyone own them??????????????? > Kind regards > Mike Wilkinson > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Michael We have carried out various searches on the numerous websites to see if we could pinpoint our James Carver, but there are several possibilities, and we thought by posting a message on this site someone may have him in their tree. I know it's a long shot, but one never knows!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Regards Mike -----Original Message----- From: Michael Allbrook Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 9:40 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NFK] WW1 Memorials - James Carver A couple of thoughts. If he is on the War Memorial, the strong implication is that he died as a result of his military service therefore he is probably listed on CWGC or have I missed something? Secondly, was his first name James? Was it his second name or simply the name by which he was known locally? Thirdly could the army have incorrectly recorded his surname? Michael Allbrook -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michael Wilkinson Sent: 13 March 2014 20:36 To: [email protected] Subject: [NFK] WW1 Memorials - James Carver On the WW1 Memorials from both Mulbarton and Newton Flotman there is a James Carver. The two villages are about 2 miles apart, and it is believed that they are for the same person. Researchers in both villagers have tried to find out who this James Carver is, and have narrowed it down to a James Carver born in Intwood about 1883 to a John and Harriet Carver. In 1905 James married Cicely Elizabeth Canham, born in Braconash in 1885. It is known that Cicely died in 1975, but we have no idea of the date of James death. Obviously, we could obtain a copy of Cicely’s death certificate and try to trace the informant, but if someone has both of them in their tree it would save us the cost of the certificate. Does anyone own them??????????????? Kind regards Mike Wilkinson ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Dina If you are referring to the photo on' Flickr' then that is the memorial in the church porch, and the names in gold are those that perished in the war. There is another memorial in the church itself listing those that died, and James Carver is shown on that one also. Please see link below: http://www.mulbchurch.org.uk/Resources/Guide/4.html Kind regards Mike -----Original Message----- From: mrs d smith Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 9:35 PM To: [email protected] com Subject: [NFK] War memorials Mulbarton state's "served" in the War whereas Newton Flotman says "died". If you Google them, there are photos. Dina

Hi Paul, In wills proved in the Norwich Consistory Court 1687 - 1750 there are these LEEDER wills noted. 1703 Margaret LEEDER.Noprth Lopham, widow, Folio # 51 Piddocke. and one for a LEEDER from Suffolk. 1725 Martha LEEDER of Debenham, Suffolk. Spinster. Folio # 28 Gregson. Martha LEEDER's will shows that although she died in Suffolk, or was from Suffolk, the will was proved in Norfolk. ( Possibly a relative was the beneficiary). ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In the Norwich Consistory Court wills for 1751 - 1818 there are several wills for LEEDER. 1765 James LEEDER, of North Lopham, Linen Weaver, Folio # 100 Rolfe 1787 John LEEDER of South Lopham, Linen Weaver, Folio # 193 Pearse. 1770 William LEEDER of South Lopham, Weaver, Folio # 115 Sparrow. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Copies of these wills can be purchased from the Norfolk Record Office at a reasonable cost. They do like to have the folio number noted as this helps with finding the will. Honor. Vanc. Island. Canada. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Cote" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 4:51 PM Subject: [NFK] Thomas Leeder's family Hello Listers. I am new to the list. Have been researching a Leeder family in Suffolk and recently discovered that they originally came from Norfolk in the early 1700s. The parish in question is North Lopham. Reportedly Thomas Leeder, born about 1690, from North Lopham, married a Suffolk girl. They settled in the parish of Elmswell, near Bury St Edmunds. There was a strong connection between the two parishes as a Simon Leeder and his bride, Martha Alderidge, both North Lopham, married in Elmswell in 1728. I have found four of their children baptized in NL. Thomas Leeder was the witness. And in 1743 Thomas' son Thomas and his bride, Bridget Rose, both Elmswell married in North Lopham. Unfortunately, the Latter Day Saints only have the PRs from 1725 for some reason. Do any PRs survive for the earlier period for NL? Would anyone have a copy of them or know where to get them? Would love to know who Thomas' and Simon's parents were. And, by the way, with all the discussion about pronunciation, how is North Lopham pronounced? Paul Coté Frigid and snowy Canada ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, North Lopham does not have a complete set of registers..........in theory and according to NROCAT , Set Searches, there are bapts 1558-1752 , marriages 1558-1651 and bits onwardto 1700-1752, and burials 1558-1693 and 1700-1752. There are further registers up to the mid 1800s but to cover the period you are interested in , this is what there is. This is in the Record Office in Norwich ....... life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Cote" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 11:51 PM Subject: [NFK] Thomas Leeder's family Hello Listers. I am new to the list. Have been researching a Leeder family in Suffolk and recently discovered that they originally came from Norfolk in the early 1700s. The parish in question is North Lopham. Reportedly Thomas Leeder, born about 1690, from North Lopham, married a Suffolk girl. They settled in the parish of Elmswell, near Bury St Edmunds. There was a strong connection between the two parishes as a Simon Leeder and his bride, Martha Alderidge, both North Lopham, married in Elmswell in 1728. I have found four of their children baptized in NL. Thomas Leeder was the witness. And in 1743 Thomas' son Thomas and his bride, Bridget Rose, both Elmswell married in North Lopham. Unfortunately, the Latter Day Saints only have the PRs from 1725 for some reason. Do any PRs survive for the earlier period for NL? Would anyone have a copy of them or know where to get them? Would love to know who Thomas' and Simon's parents were. And, by the way, with all the discussion about pronunciation, how is North Lopham pronounced? Paul Coté Frigid and snowy Canada ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you for both your messages Pauline. Food for thought, and avenues to explore. I'll be in the UK later this year, and with luck I might be able to go the RO in Norwich. John On 15/03/2014 2:50 AM, Pauline & Arthur Kennedy wrote: > If you check under the spelling Bortice at either Ancestry or > FamilySearch then it appears Benjamin and Elizabeth also had a son > Samuel baptised at the same place in 1724. It's a bit later than the > licence might suggest but still a possibilty? > > Pauline > > On 14/03/2014 11:28, elizabeth howard wrote: >> Hi, Ancestry has a baptism of a Benjamin Bortis son of >> Mr Benjamin Bortis , mariner, and Elizabeth his wife baptised Sept 26th >> about a week old. This is an entry in the Yarmouth , Gaol St, Old Meeting >> , Presbyterian , 1706-1820 register. And there is a Benjamin Bortis listed >> in the 1734 Norfolk Poll book for Yarmouth. The National Archives has a >> will for Samuel dated 1807 of Longbenton Colliery , mariner. However unless >> the surname is spelled very differently , there seems to be no other record >> of the family. >> >> >> >> >> life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Our Mail" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 4:08 AM >> Subject: [NFK] BORTIS family of Yarmouth >> >> >>> I am looking for information on the Bortis family. Samuel Bortis >>> married Ann Cowley by licence in Tynemouth, Northumberland on 13 Dec >>> 1744. On the marriage bond Samuel was described as being 22 years old >>> and a mariner from Yarmouth Norfolk. I have searched the Archdeacon's >>> transcripts on-line but found no trace of Samuel, or any other Bortis. >>> Does anyone have knowledge of the family? >>> >>> John, in NSW > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks Rosie - I'll bear that in mind if I can't find what I want with a closer spelling. John On 14/03/2014 11:37 PM, [email protected] wrote: > This seems to be an uncommon name in the area but bear in mind the more > common Boggis perhaps when you are looking. > Rosie > On 14/03/2014 11:28, elizabeth howard wrote: >> Hi, Ancestry has a baptism of a Benjamin Bortis son of >> Mr Benjamin Bortis , mariner, and Elizabeth his wife baptised Sept 26th >> about a week old. This is an entry in the Yarmouth , Gaol St, Old Meeting >> , Presbyterian , 1706-1820 register. And there is a Benjamin Bortis listed >> in the 1734 Norfolk Poll book for Yarmouth. The National Archives has a >> will for Samuel dated 1807 of Longbenton Colliery , mariner. However unless >> the surname is spelled very differently , there seems to be no other record >> of the family. >> >> >> >> >> life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Our Mail" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 4:08 AM >> Subject: [NFK] BORTIS family of Yarmouth >> >> >>> I am looking for information on the Bortis family. Samuel Bortis >>> married Ann Cowley by licence in Tynemouth, Northumberland on 13 Dec >>> 1744. On the marriage bond Samuel was described as being 22 years old >>> and a mariner from Yarmouth Norfolk. I have searched the Archdeacon's >>> transcripts on-line but found no trace of Samuel, or any other Bortis. >>> Does anyone have knowledge of the family? >>> >>> John, in NSW >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >