Hello fellow listers, John Gowing died Shotesham, buried Saxlingham Nethergate 1833, children Sarah, Daniel & Benjamin. Is there anyone who knows of a marriage for John Gowing to possibly Hannah Soane? or Mary Jones? or even both. This is my brick wall. Roma Aus.

From: Evelyn Henderson <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, 8 August 2013, 23:28 Subject: [NFK] UNDERWOOD Hi Nivard, Anna, Michael & David, A big Thank You to you all, for your help & suggestions. Nivard,    I'm  reading  the Calais Mailing List, it is very interesting. I'm going to order in James & Eleanor's marriage, just to see what it says. I'm going to search more on Sarah, back in England. Anna,    I missed reading the FreeBMD site for Eleanor's Birthdate   Thank You for telling me to look. Michael,  You hit the nail on the head, what a great find, now we know not to be looking for a name. I cann't read French, but a Birth Cert would be great to have. Will check in on that. I have sent all your notes down to my Pen-Pal so he can see what you have found for him. Thanks again Evelyn ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 02 Apr 2014 09:41, Glynn Burrows wrote: > Daniel & Sarah were still alive in 1851 and can be found on Ancestry indexed > under HARDS. Daniel was 63 and Sarah 66. > > Their daughter, Sarah had died and her administration included Daniel, who > signed it! > > If you would like further help, please do feel free to get back to me. I appreciate that some people prefer to receive their information in the form of a Digest message rather than as individual emails. But, very often replies to Digest messages lose the subject and context of what is being replied to. This is a good example of what I'm talking about:_ Subject no longer refers to the original message, and there is no quoted text to dive some idea of what the reply is in response to. People, please take more care with how you respond to messages. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg

Daniel & Sarah were still alive in 1851 and can be found on Ancestry indexed under HARDS. Daniel was 63 and Sarah 66. Their daughter, Sarah had died and her administration included Daniel, who signed it! If you would like further help, please do feel free to get back to me. Glynn http://www.norfolk-tours.co.uk

To all those that answered my plea for someone to claim James Carver and his family of Swardeston and surrounding area, I’m pleased to say that the descendants have been found still in the Norwich area. John was born in Intwood with Keswick in 1887 and was KIA in 1918, leaving behind a wife, Cecily, and 4 young daughters. He is remembered on both the Newton Flotman and Mulbarton WW1 memorials, and on the latter, his nephew is also named. My thanks to all with their suggestions, Mike Wilkinson

  I am researching into the Hindes - Goose Family of Norwich   William Hindes was born 12 August 1810 Christened at Saint Martin at Oak Parish son of Daniel Hindes and Sarah Nichols. I have a copy of a drawing of William Hindes age 8 drawn on 1 August 1818. I also have copy of a drawing of who I think is Sarah Nichols, Williams Mother.   William Hindes married Sarah Goose 25 December 1830 at Saint Clement, Norwich.    The only parent listed was Sarah Goose on daughter Louisa's birth  on 4 Jan 1830 and christening records 21 February 1830 at St Augistine, Norwich so William and Sarah wouldn't have been married at the time of Louisa's Birth   In the 1851 Census Louisa born Clement Parish is listed as living as Daughter of Robert Goose and his wife Mary Goose at 67 Norfolk St, St Andrews the Less, Cambridge. I feel Robert and Mary Goose were Louisa's grandparents.   What I don't know is did Louisa's grandparents bring her up from when her mother Sarah Goose married William Hindes or did both Sarah and William die at a young age resulting in Robert and Mary Goose adopting her.   Can someone let me know if there are graveyaed inscriptions available for Norwich so I can try and find death records for William Hindes and Sarah Goose.   Also is there any one subscribing to this list that is researching into these families   Terry Logan

Many thanks to everyone. With your help I think I've got a satisfactory answer. The suggestion of maps reminded me that many years ago I bought an Archive CD of County Maps for Cambridgeshire, Norfolk & Suffolk. The 1892 map of Norfolk shows Bardolph Fen (not Stow Bardolph) directly to the East of Outwell. It appears to stretch approximately from the East bank of Middle Level Main Drain to Highbridge Road as shown on the 1999 Explorer Map 236. The Explorer Map has Stow Bardolph Fen in small letters in the middle of this area, but I can't tell if it covers exactly the same land. This seems to prove that it's possible for someone to be born just over the drain, but still consider themselves to be in Outwell. As the Sarah Wilson I'm looking for quotes her birth place as Outwell in later life and her father as John Wilson, deceased on her marriage certificate, I think this is as near as I shall get to proof of her family. It also picks up a known sister in the 1861 Census. Many thanks again to everyone who has helped. Another brick wall, if not completely demolished, at least extremely badly dented. Marjorie

Well, you've gone further than me. Guess it proves the case. Bardolf----- Bardolph..... :-) On 30 March 2014 21:31, <[email protected]> wrote: > On the 1871 when the family was still in Walsoken she gives her birth > place as Stow rather than Bartle fen. The name is Massen rather than > Masson but it is the same family. On the 1891 she gives Stow Bridge. > Rosie > On 30/03/2014 18:03, David Mills wrote: > > Am I getting confused? This came from Ancestry > > > > Elizabeth Masson Age: 51 Estimated birth year: abt 1850 Relation to > Head: > > Wife Gender: Female Spouse: Henry Masson Birth Place: Bartle Fen, > > Cambridgeshire, England Civil Parish: Bradford Ecclesiastical > > parish: Bradford > > St Peter County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England > > > > Which puts Bartle Fen in Cambridgeshire. > > Piece: 4153 Folio: 182 Page Number: 1 Household schedule number: 1 > > The route was convouted but stated with a Search under the terms "Bartle > > Fen" which returned 5 results two for Masson (I went via Elizabeth C and > > then edited the search by removing C from the name) > > > > The Indianapolis news gave 26 references but I don't like to risk my > credit > > card.... > > > > Intriguing problem. > > > > David > > > > > > On 30 March 2014 15:42, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> But it is no distance! Eleven or twelve miles -a change of employer, > >> change of farm tenancy etc -I am assuming farmer/farm worker as > >> occupation if they are out in a fen-first job at Parson Drive, out to > >> Outwell or Bardolph fen and then back to Murrow where there appears to > >> be a lot of Wilsons. > >> Rosie. > >> On 30/03/2014 14:56, M Cook wrote: > >>> Hi Pam, > >>> > >>> Yes, I should have given the source, although I'm not sure that it > helps. > >>> > >>> The reference is in the 1851 census for Sarah Wilson, daughter of John > & > >>> Sarah Wilson of Inkerson Fen, Sutton St Edmunds. Sara was 9 years old > >>> and born, according to the image, at Bartle Fen, Norfolk. The image is > >>> reasonably clear. > >>> > >>> Others have sugggested Stow Bardolph and it must be a possibility. > >>> However, the list goes: > >>> > >>> John (father) 35 born Leverington, Cambs > >>> Sarah (wife) 32 born Emneth. > >>> John 11 born at Parson Drove. > >>> Sarah 9 born at Bartle Fen > >>> Joseph 7 born at Murrow > >>> Mary born at Murrow > >>> Emma born at Murrow. > >>> > >>> Stow Bardolph seems very out of sequence, but stranger things keep > >>> turning up in family history. > >>> > >>> The reference is Piece 2097, Folio 84, Page No 16. > >>> > >>> Thanks to everyone for their suggestions. Shall continue to search. > >>> > >>> Marjorie > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Please note that this e-mail and any files transmitted with it may be privileged, confidential, and protected from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this communication or any of its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message and then delete this message, any attachments, and all copies and backups from your computer.

On the 1871 when the family was still in Walsoken she gives her birth place as Stow rather than Bartle fen. The name is Massen rather than Masson but it is the same family. On the 1891 she gives Stow Bridge. Rosie On 30/03/2014 18:03, David Mills wrote: > Am I getting confused? This came from Ancestry > > Elizabeth Masson Age: 51 Estimated birth year: abt 1850 Relation to Head: > Wife Gender: Female Spouse: Henry Masson Birth Place: Bartle Fen, > Cambridgeshire, England Civil Parish: Bradford Ecclesiastical > parish: Bradford > St Peter County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England > > Which puts Bartle Fen in Cambridgeshire. > Piece: 4153 Folio: 182 Page Number: 1 Household schedule number: 1 > The route was convouted but stated with a Search under the terms "Bartle > Fen" which returned 5 results two for Masson (I went via Elizabeth C and > then edited the search by removing C from the name) > > The Indianapolis news gave 26 references but I don't like to risk my credit > card.... > > Intriguing problem. > > David > > > On 30 March 2014 15:42, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> But it is no distance! Eleven or twelve miles -a change of employer, >> change of farm tenancy etc -I am assuming farmer/farm worker as >> occupation if they are out in a fen-first job at Parson Drive, out to >> Outwell or Bardolph fen and then back to Murrow where there appears to >> be a lot of Wilsons. >> Rosie. >> On 30/03/2014 14:56, M Cook wrote: >>> Hi Pam, >>> >>> Yes, I should have given the source, although I'm not sure that it helps. >>> >>> The reference is in the 1851 census for Sarah Wilson, daughter of John & >>> Sarah Wilson of Inkerson Fen, Sutton St Edmunds. Sara was 9 years old >>> and born, according to the image, at Bartle Fen, Norfolk. The image is >>> reasonably clear. >>> >>> Others have sugggested Stow Bardolph and it must be a possibility. >>> However, the list goes: >>> >>> John (father) 35 born Leverington, Cambs >>> Sarah (wife) 32 born Emneth. >>> John 11 born at Parson Drove. >>> Sarah 9 born at Bartle Fen >>> Joseph 7 born at Murrow >>> Mary born at Murrow >>> Emma born at Murrow. >>> >>> Stow Bardolph seems very out of sequence, but stranger things keep >>> turning up in family history. >>> >>> The reference is Piece 2097, Folio 84, Page No 16. >>> >>> Thanks to everyone for their suggestions. Shall continue to search. >>> >>> Marjorie >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >

Not necessarily Dont forget the swapping of bits of Outwell or Upwell between Norfolk and Cambs. Would have to look again at the maps! But look at the same person on the 1911 - Bardolf Fen as birthplace. I rest my case : ) Rosie On 30/03/2014 18:03, David Mills wrote: > Am I getting confused? This came from Ancestry > > Elizabeth Masson Age: 51 Estimated birth year: abt 1850 Relation to Head: > Wife Gender: Female Spouse: Henry Masson Birth Place: Bartle Fen, > Cambridgeshire, England Civil Parish: Bradford Ecclesiastical > parish: Bradford > St Peter County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England > > Which puts Bartle Fen in Cambridgeshire. > Piece: 4153 Folio: 182 Page Number: 1 Household schedule number: 1 > The route was convouted but stated with a Search under the terms "Bartle > Fen" which returned 5 results two for Masson (I went via Elizabeth C and > then edited the search by removing C from the name) > > The Indianapolis news gave 26 references but I don't like to risk my credit > card.... > > Intriguing problem. > > David > > > On 30 March 2014 15:42, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> But it is no distance! Eleven or twelve miles -a change of employer, >> change of farm tenancy etc -I am assuming farmer/farm worker as >> occupation if they are out in a fen-first job at Parson Drive, out to >> Outwell or Bardolph fen and then back to Murrow where there appears to >> be a lot of Wilsons. >> Rosie. >> On 30/03/2014 14:56, M Cook wrote: >>> Hi Pam, >>> >>> Yes, I should have given the source, although I'm not sure that it helps. >>> >>> The reference is in the 1851 census for Sarah Wilson, daughter of John & >>> Sarah Wilson of Inkerson Fen, Sutton St Edmunds. Sara was 9 years old >>> and born, according to the image, at Bartle Fen, Norfolk. The image is >>> reasonably clear. >>> >>> Others have sugggested Stow Bardolph and it must be a possibility. >>> However, the list goes: >>> >>> John (father) 35 born Leverington, Cambs >>> Sarah (wife) 32 born Emneth. >>> John 11 born at Parson Drove. >>> Sarah 9 born at Bartle Fen >>> Joseph 7 born at Murrow >>> Mary born at Murrow >>> Emma born at Murrow. >>> >>> Stow Bardolph seems very out of sequence, but stranger things keep >>> turning up in family history. >>> >>> The reference is Piece 2097, Folio 84, Page No 16. >>> >>> Thanks to everyone for their suggestions. Shall continue to search. >>> >>> Marjorie >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >

When I looked on Ancestry and entered nothing except Bartle Fen it returned a number of census entries for individuals who gave Bartle Fen as their birth place. I then looked at some of these individuals on other census years to see what they gave as their birth place in those years and one gave Stow and one gave Downham, which might suggest that Bardolph was being said Bardle or heard as Bartle in those instances. Not too far a stretch of Norfolk speak. One entry gave Bartle Fen Lincolnshire as a birth place but it was clear from another year that this was mistaken ditto mark for a husband's county of birth. Rosie On 30/03/2014 18:15, Jean Greenwood wrote: > Assuming the 1841 bap at Outwell is the correct Sarah - the 1841 census > enumeration districts > show some Fens in the area such as Boyce and Stow Bardolph but nothing for > Bartle. > > Suggest finding a library copy [it costs a fortune to buy] of 'The Tithe > Maps of England and Wales' by Roger Kain - this includes for Outwell > district 1840 house, roads and drove names. > > HTH > Jean > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Assuming the 1841 bap at Outwell is the correct Sarah - the 1841 census enumeration districts show some Fens in the area such as Boyce and Stow Bardolph but nothing for Bartle. Suggest finding a library copy [it costs a fortune to buy] of 'The Tithe Maps of England and Wales' by Roger Kain - this includes for Outwell district 1840 house, roads and drove names. HTH Jean

Am I getting confused? This came from Ancestry Elizabeth Masson Age: 51 Estimated birth year: abt 1850 Relation to Head: Wife Gender: Female Spouse: Henry Masson Birth Place: Bartle Fen, Cambridgeshire, England Civil Parish: Bradford Ecclesiastical parish: Bradford St Peter County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Which puts Bartle Fen in Cambridgeshire. Piece: 4153 Folio: 182 Page Number: 1 Household schedule number: 1 The route was convouted but stated with a Search under the terms "Bartle Fen" which returned 5 results two for Masson (I went via Elizabeth C and then edited the search by removing C from the name) The Indianapolis news gave 26 references but I don't like to risk my credit card.... Intriguing problem. David On 30 March 2014 15:42, <[email protected]> wrote: > But it is no distance! Eleven or twelve miles -a change of employer, > change of farm tenancy etc -I am assuming farmer/farm worker as > occupation if they are out in a fen-first job at Parson Drive, out to > Outwell or Bardolph fen and then back to Murrow where there appears to > be a lot of Wilsons. > Rosie. > On 30/03/2014 14:56, M Cook wrote: > > Hi Pam, > > > > Yes, I should have given the source, although I'm not sure that it helps. > > > > The reference is in the 1851 census for Sarah Wilson, daughter of John & > > Sarah Wilson of Inkerson Fen, Sutton St Edmunds. Sara was 9 years old > > and born, according to the image, at Bartle Fen, Norfolk. The image is > > reasonably clear. > > > > Others have sugggested Stow Bardolph and it must be a possibility. > > However, the list goes: > > > > John (father) 35 born Leverington, Cambs > > Sarah (wife) 32 born Emneth. > > John 11 born at Parson Drove. > > Sarah 9 born at Bartle Fen > > Joseph 7 born at Murrow > > Mary born at Murrow > > Emma born at Murrow. > > > > Stow Bardolph seems very out of sequence, but stranger things keep > > turning up in family history. > > > > The reference is Piece 2097, Folio 84, Page No 16. > > > > Thanks to everyone for their suggestions. Shall continue to search. > > > > Marjorie > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Please note that this e-mail and any files transmitted with it may be privileged, confidential, and protected from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this communication or any of its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message and then delete this message, any attachments, and all copies and backups from your computer.

Kelly's Directory mentions 1908 : Licquorice Thos. farmer, Bardolph fen http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~sheilawb/kellys_1908_Stow_Bardolph.htm Then this http://www.flickr.com/photos/cameron_self/2795961426/ and, http://www.heritage.norfolk.gov.uk/record-details?uid=%27TNF1285%27 from which>>> Stow Bardolph spans the eastern margin of the Fenland, situated 2km to the north and west of the town of Downham Market. The parish has two villages; Stow Bardolph to the east and the larger Stowbridge built on either bank of the River Great Ouse and its Relief Channel. The largest part of the parish is Stow Bardolph Fen, to the west of Stowbridge, which is criss-crossed by drainage channels. - See more at: http://www.heritage.norfolk.gov.uk/record-details?uid=%27TNF1285%27#sthash.kh1UW8AL.dpuf Not a whisper of Bartle Fen anywhere so far! David On 30 March 2014 13:57, elizabeth howard <[email protected]> wrote: > Morning Sheila , any chance of you remembering the men`s > outfitters in the High St Downham where Palmers is now ? tall elegant man > and small busy wife ran it , lots of very old fashioned good quality > clothes, I think they are something to do with one of my Downham boys > .......sorry OUR Downham boys !!! > > > > > life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sheila WB" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2014 12:34 PM > Subject: Re: [NFK] BARTLE FEN > > > Outside chance of Bardolph Fen? > Stow Bardolph. > > > > >________________________________ > > From: M Cook <[email protected]> > >To: [email protected] > >Sent: Sunday, 30 March 2014, 11:41 > >Subject: [NFK] BARTLE FEN > > > > > >Can anybody tell me where Bartle Fen is or was, please? It appears as > >the birth place of a possible ancestor about 1840 and is probably in the > >Outwell, Emneth, Murrow, Sutton St Edmunds or Parson Drove area. I've > >tried Google maps, Goggle search and a 19th Century Ordnance Survey > >map. Any help would be appreciated. > > > >Marjorie Cook > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > >in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Please note that this e-mail and any files transmitted with it may be privileged, confidential, and protected from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this communication or any of its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message and then delete this message, any attachments, and all copies and backups from your computer.

But it is no distance! Eleven or twelve miles -a change of employer, change of farm tenancy etc -I am assuming farmer/farm worker as occupation if they are out in a fen-first job at Parson Drive, out to Outwell or Bardolph fen and then back to Murrow where there appears to be a lot of Wilsons. Rosie. On 30/03/2014 14:56, M Cook wrote: > Hi Pam, > > Yes, I should have given the source, although I'm not sure that it helps. > > The reference is in the 1851 census for Sarah Wilson, daughter of John & > Sarah Wilson of Inkerson Fen, Sutton St Edmunds. Sara was 9 years old > and born, according to the image, at Bartle Fen, Norfolk. The image is > reasonably clear. > > Others have sugggested Stow Bardolph and it must be a possibility. > However, the list goes: > > John (father) 35 born Leverington, Cambs > Sarah (wife) 32 born Emneth. > John 11 born at Parson Drove. > Sarah 9 born at Bartle Fen > Joseph 7 born at Murrow > Mary born at Murrow > Emma born at Murrow. > > Stow Bardolph seems very out of sequence, but stranger things keep > turning up in family history. > > The reference is Piece 2097, Folio 84, Page No 16. > > Thanks to everyone for their suggestions. Shall continue to search. > > Marjorie > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There's a possible baptism for Sarah at FamilySearch in Outwell in 1841. Assuming this might be the right Sarah, have you tried looking at old maps online to see if you can see anything resembling Bartle Fen in or near Outwell? Pauline On 30/03/2014 14:56, M Cook wrote: > Hi Pam, > > Yes, I should have given the source, although I'm not sure that it helps. > > The reference is in the 1851 census for Sarah Wilson, daughter of John & > Sarah Wilson of Inkerson Fen, Sutton St Edmunds. Sara was 9 years old > and born, according to the image, at Bartle Fen, Norfolk. The image is > reasonably clear. > > Others have sugggested Stow Bardolph and it must be a possibility. > However, the list goes: > > John (father) 35 born Leverington, Cambs > Sarah (wife) 32 born Emneth. > John 11 born at Parson Drove. > Sarah 9 born at Bartle Fen > Joseph 7 born at Murrow > Mary born at Murrow > Emma born at Murrow. > > Stow Bardolph seems very out of sequence, but stranger things keep > turning up in family history. > > The reference is Piece 2097, Folio 84, Page No 16. > > Thanks to everyone for their suggestions. Shall continue to search. > > Marjorie

Hi Pam, Yes, I should have given the source, although I'm not sure that it helps. The reference is in the 1851 census for Sarah Wilson, daughter of John & Sarah Wilson of Inkerson Fen, Sutton St Edmunds. Sara was 9 years old and born, according to the image, at Bartle Fen, Norfolk. The image is reasonably clear. Others have sugggested Stow Bardolph and it must be a possibility. However, the list goes: John (father) 35 born Leverington, Cambs Sarah (wife) 32 born Emneth. John 11 born at Parson Drove. Sarah 9 born at Bartle Fen Joseph 7 born at Murrow Mary born at Murrow Emma born at Murrow. Stow Bardolph seems very out of sequence, but stranger things keep turning up in family history. The reference is Piece 2097, Folio 84, Page No 16. Thanks to everyone for their suggestions. Shall continue to search. Marjorie

After entering Bartle Fen into Ancestry and cross checking the censuses forwards and back of those who gave Bartle Fen as a birth place it throws up Norfolk and Downham and Stow as birth place alternatives ( despite a red herring of a Lincolnshire birth) so it looks as if Nivard was right and it is possibly Bardolph Fen. Despite my sister living just up the road from Stow Bardolph I admit to not having heard it called Bardle. So-looks like south of the Old Podike, north of Well Creek and east roughly to Barroway Drove -parts of Nordelph, Outwell, around Mullicourt and Stow Bridge if that is the case. Rosie On 30/03/2014 11:41, M Cook wrote: > Can anybody tell me where Bartle Fen is or was, please? It appears as > the birth place of a possible ancestor about 1840 and is probably in the > Outwell, Emneth, Murrow, Sutton St Edmunds or Parson Drove area. I've > tried Google maps, Goggle search and a 19th Century Ordnance Survey > map. Any help would be appreciated. > > Marjorie Cook > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Morning Sheila , any chance of you remembering the men`s outfitters in the High St Downham where Palmers is now ? tall elegant man and small busy wife ran it , lots of very old fashioned good quality clothes, I think they are something to do with one of my Downham boys .......sorry OUR Downham boys !!! life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sheila WB" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2014 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [NFK] BARTLE FEN Outside chance of Bardolph Fen? Stow Bardolph. >________________________________ > From: M Cook <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Sunday, 30 March 2014, 11:41 >Subject: [NFK] BARTLE FEN > > >Can anybody tell me where Bartle Fen is or was, please? It appears as >the birth place of a possible ancestor about 1840 and is probably in the >Outwell, Emneth, Murrow, Sutton St Edmunds or Parson Drove area. I've >tried Google maps, Goggle search and a 19th Century Ordnance Survey >map. Any help would be appreciated. > >Marjorie Cook > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Son in law's great uncle was a Bartle Have asked him as he knows the Fens well but drawn a blank so far Rosie On 30/03/2014 12:36, Nivard Ovington wrote: > Hi Marjorie > > Casting around for Bartle Fen I found very little > > In the 1911 there is a young lady by the name of Mary DEW b1889 Bartle > Fen Norfolk married 1 year to a John DEW > > In 1910 a marriage was registered in N Witchford showing her as Mary Ann > TUCK marrying John Robert DEW > > Looking back I found what I think is her in 1891 a daughter of Reuben & > Margaret TUCK living in Stow Bardolph, birthplace Stow Bardolph > > In 1901 with family in Chatteris Cambs her birthplace as Stow Norfolk > > Looking at an OS map of the period I cannot see a Bartle Fen , however > could it be Bardolph Fen perhaps ? > > And likewise for your target whose name you don't give unfortunately > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 30/03/2014 11:41, M Cook wrote: >> Can anybody tell me where Bartle Fen is or was, please? It appears as >> the birth place of a possible ancestor about 1840 and is probably in the >> Outwell, Emneth, Murrow, Sutton St Edmunds or Parson Drove area. I've >> tried Google maps, Goggle search and a 19th Century Ordnance Survey >> map. Any help would be appreciated. >> >> Marjorie Cook > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message