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Hi Rosie Thanks for the reminder - the entries are still a giggle. For those who don't know see ​ http://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/cabbage-gelder-cut-throat-of-pigs-or-man-trap which give a flavour or see PRs 1818-22 Cheers Jean On 19 July 2014 13:05, xpn11 via <[email protected]> wrote: > Ha and we all know about the vicar of Middleton near King's Lynn who was > clearly in drink or had taken leave of his senses with his baptism > entries over several years. To be found on Family Search -the list > archive will give the years. > Rosie > On 19/07/2014 11:13, elizabeth howard via wrote: > > Hi, what does the rest of the entry say ? is it for > > instance, John son of John and Mary Brown, late spinster, bapt > 1.1.1809 ? > > mostly parish clerks or the baptising priest would write whatever suited > > them within a certain form....they were not above adding bits themselves > > ...... the Rector of Wimbotsham for instance , is clearly critical of > much > > married men, and writes HIS THIRD WIFE......and you can sense the > > disapproval !!!! > > > > > > > > life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Heather Minol via" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 6:14 PM > > Subject: [NFK] New lister with a question re note on baptism entry > > > > > >> Hello, > >> > >> I have just joined the list and am researching a number of families in > >> Norfolk, including ELMER, WALKER and NEWSTEAD. > >> > >> I have just come across a baptism entry in 1809 containing the note: > >> "mother late spinster" and I'm wondering if anyone can tell me what that > >> means please? I've come up with a couple of theories, but would like to > >> hear from someone who has better knowledge of the terminology than I do. > >> > >> Kind regards > >> > >> Heather Minol > >> Canberra > >> Australia > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Ha and we all know about the vicar of Middleton near King's Lynn who was clearly in drink or had taken leave of his senses with his baptism entries over several years. To be found on Family Search -the list archive will give the years. Rosie On 19/07/2014 11:13, elizabeth howard via wrote: > Hi, what does the rest of the entry say ? is it for > instance, John son of John and Mary Brown, late spinster, bapt 1.1.1809 ? > mostly parish clerks or the baptising priest would write whatever suited > them within a certain form....they were not above adding bits themselves > ...... the Rector of Wimbotsham for instance , is clearly critical of much > married men, and writes HIS THIRD WIFE......and you can sense the > disapproval !!!! > > > > life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Heather Minol via" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 6:14 PM > Subject: [NFK] New lister with a question re note on baptism entry > > >> Hello, >> >> I have just joined the list and am researching a number of families in >> Norfolk, including ELMER, WALKER and NEWSTEAD. >> >> I have just come across a baptism entry in 1809 containing the note: >> "mother late spinster" and I'm wondering if anyone can tell me what that >> means please? I've come up with a couple of theories, but would like to >> hear from someone who has better knowledge of the terminology than I do. >> >> Kind regards >> >> Heather Minol >> Canberra >> Australia >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for the information Julie. It all makes sense now. Interestingly, I suspect this notation may be more common in Norfolk than elsewhere. Good to know what it means now! Thanks to all for your help. Kind regards Heather Minol ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norfolk" <[email protected]> To: "Heather Minol" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2014 4:35 AM Subject: Re: [NFK] PS RE: New lister with a question re note on baptism entry > It is very common, and it just means the mother was a spinster prior to > marriage - you sometimes also see late widow but less often. > > Julie > > On 18/07/2014 19:00, Heather Minol via wrote: >> Thank you for your response Dudley. I do not believe that the mother was >> dead, as more children appear to have been born up to 1817. I will check >> the >> burial register just in case though. >> Thanks so much for your help. >> >> Heather Minol >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dudley Diaper" <[email protected]> >> To: "'Heather Minol'" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> >> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2014 3:29 AM >> Subject: PS RE: [NFK] New lister with a question re note on baptism entry >> >> >>> Hello >>> >>> I was jumping to the conclusion that the mother was dead. "Late" could >>> just >>> mean "formerly", so perhaps she had the baby unmarried but married >>> before >>> the baptism. The burial register might help with that one. >>> >>> DD >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >>> On >>> Behalf Of Heather Minol via >>> Sent: 18 July 2014 18:14 >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: [NFK] New lister with a question re note on baptism entry >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I have just joined the list and am researching a number of families in >>> Norfolk, including ELMER, WALKER and NEWSTEAD. >>> >>> I have just come across a baptism entry in 1809 containing the note: >>> "mother >>> late spinster" and I'm wondering if anyone can tell me what that means >>> please? I've come up with a couple of theories, but would like to hear >>> from >>> someone who has better knowledge of the terminology than I do. >>> >>> Kind regards >>> >>> Heather Minol >>> Canberra >>> Australia >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > -- > Julie Harold > FreeREG Norfolk Coordinator > http://www.freereg.org.uk > >

Thanks John. I'm very grateful for your help. I'm sure I will find the list very helpful too. Kind regards Heather Minol ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Francis" <[email protected]> To: "Heather Minol" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2014 7:59 AM Subject: Re: [NFK] New lister with a question re note on baptism entry > Not necessarily, no. I have some examples where the same or very similar > wording was used for several children of a couple, over several years. > > Good luck with your research; I'm sure you will find this list a great > source of help. > > Yours, > > John > > At 19:03 18/07/2014, you wrote: >>Thank you for that information John. >> >>I was wondering if that was what it meant. Do you think that this note may >>also indicate that this birth was the first child of the couple? >> >>Kind regards >> >>Heather Minol >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "John Francis" >><[email protected]> >>To: "Heather Minol" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> >>Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2014 3:47 AM >>Subject: Re: [NFK] New lister with a question re note on baptism entry >> >> >>>Contrary to other replies, this was a common form of words in baptism >>>entries prior to the 1812 act. One of several examples in my own tree >>>reads: >>> >>>"Mary Ann daughter of Thomas Hall and Mary his wife (late Mary Savage >>>spinster) was publickly baptized August 13th 1810" >>> >>>This simply indicates the maiden name of the mother, and the fact that >>>she had not been married prior to her marriage to Thomas Hall. >>>Unfortunately, this useful information occurs more rarely after 1812, >>>when pre-printed registers came into use, having no clear space for such >>>comments. >>> >>>Regards, >>> >>>John Francis >>> >>> >>>At 18:14 18/07/2014, you wrote: >>>>Hello, >>>> >>>>I have just joined the list and am researching a number of families in >>>>Norfolk, including ELMER, WALKER and NEWSTEAD. >>>> >>>>I have just come across a baptism entry in 1809 containing the note: >>>>"mother late spinster" and I'm wondering if anyone can tell me what that >>>>means please? I've come up with a couple of theories, but would like to >>>>hear from someone who has better knowledge of the terminology than I do. >>>> >>>>Kind regards >>>> >>>>Heather Minol >>>>Canberra >>>>Australia >>>> >>>>------------------------------- >>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> > > >

Hi, what does the rest of the entry say ? is it for instance, John son of John and Mary Brown, late spinster, bapt 1.1.1809 ? mostly parish clerks or the baptising priest would write whatever suited them within a certain form....they were not above adding bits themselves ...... the Rector of Wimbotsham for instance , is clearly critical of much married men, and writes HIS THIRD WIFE......and you can sense the disapproval !!!! life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather Minol via" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 6:14 PM Subject: [NFK] New lister with a question re note on baptism entry > Hello, > > I have just joined the list and am researching a number of families in > Norfolk, including ELMER, WALKER and NEWSTEAD. > > I have just come across a baptism entry in 1809 containing the note: > "mother late spinster" and I'm wondering if anyone can tell me what that > means please? I've come up with a couple of theories, but would like to > hear from someone who has better knowledge of the terminology than I do. > > Kind regards > > Heather Minol > Canberra > Australia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

On 19 Jul 2014 03:32, Heather Minol via wrote: > Thanks for the information Julie. It all makes sense now. Interestingly, I > suspect this notation may be more common in Norfolk than elsewhere. Good to > know what it means now! Not really. In my experience, it's pretty common everywhere, although the woman's previous surname is generally used. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg

Thank you for that information John. I was wondering if that was what it meant. Do you think that this note may also indicate that this birth was the first child of the couple? Kind regards Heather Minol ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Francis" <[email protected]> To: "Heather Minol" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2014 3:47 AM Subject: Re: [NFK] New lister with a question re note on baptism entry > Contrary to other replies, this was a common form of words in baptism > entries prior to the 1812 act. One of several examples in my own tree > reads: > > "Mary Ann daughter of Thomas Hall and Mary his wife (late Mary Savage > spinster) was publickly baptized August 13th 1810" > > This simply indicates the maiden name of the mother, and the fact that she > had not been married prior to her marriage to Thomas Hall. Unfortunately, > this useful information occurs more rarely after 1812, when pre-printed > registers came into use, having no clear space for such comments. > > Regards, > > John Francis > > > At 18:14 18/07/2014, you wrote: >>Hello, >> >>I have just joined the list and am researching a number of families in >>Norfolk, including ELMER, WALKER and NEWSTEAD. >> >>I have just come across a baptism entry in 1809 containing the note: >>"mother late spinster" and I'm wondering if anyone can tell me what that >>means please? I've come up with a couple of theories, but would like to >>hear from someone who has better knowledge of the terminology than I do. >> >>Kind regards >> >>Heather Minol >>Canberra >>Australia >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Thank you for your response Dudley. I do not believe that the mother was dead, as more children appear to have been born up to 1817. I will check the burial register just in case though. Thanks so much for your help. Heather Minol ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dudley Diaper" <[email protected]> To: "'Heather Minol'" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2014 3:29 AM Subject: PS RE: [NFK] New lister with a question re note on baptism entry > Hello > > I was jumping to the conclusion that the mother was dead. "Late" could > just > mean "formerly", so perhaps she had the baby unmarried but married before > the baptism. The burial register might help with that one. > > DD > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On > Behalf Of Heather Minol via > Sent: 18 July 2014 18:14 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [NFK] New lister with a question re note on baptism entry > > Hello, > > I have just joined the list and am researching a number of families in > Norfolk, including ELMER, WALKER and NEWSTEAD. > > I have just come across a baptism entry in 1809 containing the note: > "mother > late spinster" and I'm wondering if anyone can tell me what that means > please? I've come up with a couple of theories, but would like to hear > from > someone who has better knowledge of the terminology than I do. > > Kind regards > > Heather Minol > Canberra > Australia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Hello, I have just joined the list and am researching a number of families in Norfolk, including ELMER, WALKER and NEWSTEAD. I have just come across a baptism entry in 1809 containing the note: "mother late spinster" and I'm wondering if anyone can tell me what that means please? I've come up with a couple of theories, but would like to hear from someone who has better knowledge of the terminology than I do. Kind regards Heather Minol Canberra Australia

It is very common, and it just means the mother was a spinster prior to marriage - you sometimes also see late widow but less often. Julie On 18/07/2014 19:00, Heather Minol via wrote: > Thank you for your response Dudley. I do not believe that the mother was > dead, as more children appear to have been born up to 1817. I will check the > burial register just in case though. > Thanks so much for your help. > > Heather Minol > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dudley Diaper" <[email protected]> > To: "'Heather Minol'" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2014 3:29 AM > Subject: PS RE: [NFK] New lister with a question re note on baptism entry > > >> Hello >> >> I was jumping to the conclusion that the mother was dead. "Late" could >> just >> mean "formerly", so perhaps she had the baby unmarried but married before >> the baptism. The burial register might help with that one. >> >> DD >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >> On >> Behalf Of Heather Minol via >> Sent: 18 July 2014 18:14 >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [NFK] New lister with a question re note on baptism entry >> >> Hello, >> >> I have just joined the list and am researching a number of families in >> Norfolk, including ELMER, WALKER and NEWSTEAD. >> >> I have just come across a baptism entry in 1809 containing the note: >> "mother >> late spinster" and I'm wondering if anyone can tell me what that means >> please? I've come up with a couple of theories, but would like to hear >> from >> someone who has better knowledge of the terminology than I do. >> >> Kind regards >> >> Heather Minol >> Canberra >> Australia >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Julie Harold FreeREG Norfolk Coordinator http://www.freereg.org.uk

Contrary to other replies, this was a common form of words in baptism entries prior to the 1812 act. One of several examples in my own tree reads: "Mary Ann daughter of Thomas Hall and Mary his wife (late Mary Savage spinster) was publickly baptized August 13th 1810" This simply indicates the maiden name of the mother, and the fact that she had not been married prior to her marriage to Thomas Hall. Unfortunately, this useful information occurs more rarely after 1812, when pre-printed registers came into use, having no clear space for such comments. Regards, John Francis At 18:14 18/07/2014, you wrote: >Hello, > >I have just joined the list and am researching a number of families >in Norfolk, including ELMER, WALKER and NEWSTEAD. > >I have just come across a baptism entry in 1809 containing the note: >"mother late spinster" and I'm wondering if anyone can tell me what >that means please? I've come up with a couple of theories, but would >like to hear from someone who has better knowledge of the >terminology than I do. > >Kind regards > >Heather Minol >Canberra >Australia > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello I was jumping to the conclusion that the mother was dead. "Late" could just mean "formerly", so perhaps she had the baby unmarried but married before the baptism. The burial register might help with that one. DD -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Heather Minol via Sent: 18 July 2014 18:14 To: [email protected] Subject: [NFK] New lister with a question re note on baptism entry Hello, I have just joined the list and am researching a number of families in Norfolk, including ELMER, WALKER and NEWSTEAD. I have just come across a baptism entry in 1809 containing the note: "mother late spinster" and I'm wondering if anyone can tell me what that means please? I've come up with a couple of theories, but would like to hear from someone who has better knowledge of the terminology than I do. Kind regards Heather Minol Canberra Australia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello It suggests to me that the mother was unmarried, and that she died in childbirth, or some other time before the baptism. The description is a much kinder one than some that were used. Dudley -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Heather Minol via Sent: 18 July 2014 18:14 To: [email protected] Subject: [NFK] New lister with a question re note on baptism entry Hello, I have just joined the list and am researching a number of families in Norfolk, including ELMER, WALKER and NEWSTEAD. I have just come across a baptism entry in 1809 containing the note: "mother late spinster" and I'm wondering if anyone can tell me what that means please? I've come up with a couple of theories, but would like to hear from someone who has better knowledge of the terminology than I do. Kind regards Heather Minol Canberra Australia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

1977, me too! Karen On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 5:18 PM, Glynn Burrows <[email protected]> wrote: > I will reply privately. > :) > Addictive? Family history? Never! I've only been hooked since 1977!!! > > Glynn > http://www.norfolk-tours.co.uk > https://twitter.com/NorfolkTours > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

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I will reply privately. :) Addictive? Family history? Never! I've only been hooked since 1977!!! Glynn http://www.norfolk-tours.co.uk https://twitter.com/NorfolkTours

Hi Sheila, I think this marriage may have taken place in 1802, there is another marriage shown in 1770 of Thomas Scott to Mary Baldwin so maybe these are his parents after all? Sue ---------------------------------------- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2014 15:06:36 +0000 > Subject: Re: [NFK] Robert Scott born circa 1792 Saddlebow St Mary > > Many thanks Sheila - also for finding what may well be his parents marriage. I'll see if I can find his siblings now. > > Best wishes, > > Sue > > ---------------------------------------- >> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2014 21:02:04 +0100 >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [NFK] Robert Scott born circa 1792 Saddlebow St Mary >> >> I think I've found him Sue. >> baptised at Wiggenhall St Peter 17 Jun 1792(although residing in W St Mary) >> Parents were Thomas and Mary. (as per FreeReg) >> >> >> >>>________________________________ >>> From: Sue Coombs <[email protected]> >>>To: Norfolk List <[email protected]> >>>Sent: Wednesday, 2 July 2014, 18:03 >>>Subject: [NFK] Robert Scott born circa 1792 Saddlebow St Mary >>> >>> >>>Hi, >>> >>>This is my first request to this list and I hope someone will be able to help me otherwise I am well and truely stuck! >>> >>> >>>I am trying to find the baptism of Robert Scott born circa 1792 in Saddlebow St Mary in order to find his parents and siblings. >>> >>> >>>I believe he married Hannah Jackson on 5th January 1815 at Wiggenhall St Peter and after her death in October 1826 went on to marry Susanna Hastings on 31st January 1827. >>> >>>I believe Robert died in January 1848 in Wiggenhall St Mary and is buried at St Mary The Virgin, Wiggenhall. >>> >>> >>>Kind regards, >>> >>>Sue >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Many thanks for that information Glynn, it just goes to show what information is out there if you know where to look! I'd love to read his will in full, could let me know if it's online or do you know where I could obtain a copy? It does become addictive doesn't it! Best wishes, Sue ---------------------------------------- > From: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2014 09:24:50 +0100 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NFK] NORFOLK Digest, Vol 9, Issue 176 > > Robert Scott's will shows that his wife Susannah had died and, as she was named as his executrix, a 16 year-old Susannah Scott was called to be executrix. (There is an administration for Susannah in file too which shows that Watson Hastings was Susannah (the 16 year old) 's maternal Uncle. > The will mentions children by Robert's first wife, Hannah and land in South Lynn which he had purchased from Sir William Welby. > Robert was a victualler and, looking at the Norfolk Pubs website, he may well have taken the Bull over from his father as Thomas Scott was landlord previous to Robert. > > Lots of information to be followed up there but I must stop!!! > > Glynn > http://www.norfolk-tours.co.uk > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Many thanks Sheila - also for finding what may well be his parents marriage.  I'll see if I can find his siblings now. Best wishes, Sue ---------------------------------------- > Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2014 21:02:04 +0100 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NFK] Robert Scott born circa 1792 Saddlebow St Mary > > I think I've found him Sue. > baptised at Wiggenhall St Peter 17 Jun 1792(although residing in W St Mary) > Parents were Thomas and Mary. (as per FreeReg) > > > >>________________________________ >> From: Sue Coombs <[email protected]> >>To: Norfolk List <[email protected]> >>Sent: Wednesday, 2 July 2014, 18:03 >>Subject: [NFK] Robert Scott born circa 1792 Saddlebow St Mary >> >> >>Hi, >> >>This is my first request to this list and I hope someone will be able to help me otherwise I am well and truely stuck! >> >> >>I am trying to find the baptism of Robert Scott born circa 1792 in Saddlebow St Mary in order to find his parents and siblings. >> >> >>I believe he married Hannah Jackson on 5th January 1815 at Wiggenhall St Peter and after her death in October 1826 went on to marry Susanna Hastings on 31st January 1827. >> >>I believe Robert died in January 1848 in Wiggenhall St Mary and is buried at St Mary The Virgin, Wiggenhall. >> >> >>Kind regards, >> >>Sue >> >> >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message