No wonder I couldn't find it, I had Cambridge on the brain and looked in the wrong town :-(. Thanks to Rosie for putting me straight I found the right street in Norwich under it new name, St Benedicts Street. By following the schedule numbers on the 1871 from the Plough Inn, which still exists, it is possible to see the actual place on Streetview beside the entrance to what is now Plough Yard. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Rust" <[email protected]> To: "Patricia" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [NFK] Suket Whater - Ticker Writer? 1871 Census Entry -RebeccaGreen, b. 1795, Hockwold > Pat > > Looked up St Benedicts Street to see where it fitted with the Cambridge > census I am 'doing'. > None of my map programmes can find it. Perhaps it has been "redeveloped"! > Any idea about any nearby streets? > > Bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patricia" <[email protected]> > To: "Ros" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 7:08 PM > Subject: Re: [NFK] Suket Whater - Ticker Writer? 1871 Census Entry - > RebeccaGreen, b. 1795, Hockwold > > >> Samuel White was my 2x great uncle and he was a lithographer and printer, >> so therefore in the address entry it shows his place of work, Ticket >> Writers, which was also his residence. Lived above the shop so to speak. >> Upper Westwick Street is now called St Benedicts Street. >> As an aside Samuel drowned in the river Yare at Postwick in 1875 during a >> "frolic" >> Regards >> Pat >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On 28 Jul 2014, at 16:54, Ros via <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Hello, Wendy - It looks "Ticket Writer" or something like that. It is >>> written beside the entry for Samuel White, Showcard Writer/ >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > >

Thanks for the link to your Trunch website, Val. It has already given me one or two leads on the Watts family. I have left a comment on the website, thanks again. Other interests of mine in Trunch include the Fullers and the Whitwoods. Karen Woodhouse Sent from my iPad On 23 Jul 2014, at 09:41 AM, val via <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, > > > I have 2 Norfolk interests > > > The history of TRUNCH - see my website www.trunchhistory.weebly.com . Any more info on Trunch very welcome > > > Family history of MANN, CANN, HIGH in Norfolk. See my website www.wadeeast.weebly.com I’m particularly stuck on the HIGHS. Charlotte born 1843 in NORWICH, just mother Susan HIGH on birth certificate, but also father William HIGH on Charlotte’s marriage certificate. Can’t find a marriage for Susan and William. > > > Thanks > > > Val > > > > > Sent from Windows Mail > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Nivard Very skilled job for those days I guess. I love the old calligraphy writing. Regards Anne Sent from my iPad > On 29 Jul 2014, at 7:03 pm, "Nivard Ovington via" <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Anne > > Pre easy printing days and for small runs or one off's, ticket writers > wrote out the labels, cards and signs for goods in shop window displays > > Think sign writer > > Quite skilled in quality calligraphy and drawing > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > >> On 29/07/2014 03:32, Anne Boss via wrote: >> Just to throw in the loop .... >> What would a "ticket writer"s job have been in those days? >> Regards >> Anne > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My interest in Trunch is between the years 1649 and 1655. My uncle (X 12) John TYLLINGHURST/TILLINGHAST was rector at Trunch St. Botolph abt. 1651 - 1655. He was a Fifth Monarchy Man/Baptist His wife was a MANNING.  I am also interested in any MANNING entries in the towne/church records. Donna TILLINGHAST Casey Michigan, USA   The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it will change; the realist adjusts the sails. >________________________________ > From: Karen Woodhouse via <[email protected]> >To: val <[email protected]>; "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 4:50 PM >Subject: Re: [NFK] Trunch > > >Thanks for the link to your Trunch website, Val. It has already given me one or two leads on the Watts family. I have left a comment on the website, thanks again.  Other interests of mine in Trunch include the Fullers and the Whitwoods. > >Karen Woodhouse > >Sent from my iPad >On 23 Jul 2014, at 09:41 AM, val via <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> >> I have 2 Norfolk interests >> >> >> The history of TRUNCH - see my website www.trunchhistory.weebly.com . Any more info on Trunch very welcome >> >> >> Family history of MANN, CANN, HIGH in Norfolk. See my website www.wadeeast.weebly.com  I’m particularly stuck on the HIGHS. Charlotte born 1843 in NORWICH, just mother Susan HIGH on birth certificate, but also father William HIGH on Charlotte’s marriage certificate. Can’t find a marriage for Susan and William. >> >> >> Thanks >> >> >> Val >> >> >> >> >> Sent from Windows Mail >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Just to throw in the loop .... What would a "ticket writer"s job have been in those days? Regards Anne Sent from my iPad > On 29 Jul 2014, at 12:11 pm, "Heather Minol via" <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi all, > > I've just been looking through the posts, and at the Census entry in > question. I agree with Ros that the words are "ticket writer". The reason it > is there, I suspect, may be that the column calls for details of "Road, > Street etc and No. or Name of House. If there was a "Ticket Writer" sign > outside the house, it would be quite plausible for the enumerator to write > it in that column. Just my thoughts. > > Regards > > Heather > in Canberra, Australia > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ros" <[email protected]> > To: "'Wendy Inskeep'" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 1:54 AM > Subject: [NFK] Suket Whater - Ticker Writer? 1871 Census Entry - > RebeccaGreen, b. 1795, Hockwold > > >> Hello, Wendy - It looks "Ticket Writer" or something like that. It is >> written beside the entry for Samuel White, Showcard Writer/Painter. - Ros >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Wendy Inskeep [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 11:29 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [NFK] Suket Whater - what is this? >> >> It says formerly housekeeper on the form and gives her birthplace as >> Hockwold and her daughters' birthplaces as Methwold so they are from South >> West Norfolk. Not quite sure where Upper West street is these days but I >> think it was near Pottergate which five minutes walk from Westwick Street. >> If you can read the Yard name ( Norwich yards were famous -or infamous-you >> can google Plunketts Norwich and maybe find images or details of the yard >> they lived in) >> >> Thank you Rosie for your suggestions. Do you think the writing I am >> struggling with might be the name of a yard? I have been googling away and >> am no further ahead. Of course I have been side tracked in reading about >> life in these yards – something very foreign to me. >> One place said that many of the yards in Norwich had unusual names. >> Wendy >> in New Zealand > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all, I've just been looking through the posts, and at the Census entry in question. I agree with Ros that the words are "ticket writer". The reason it is there, I suspect, may be that the column calls for details of "Road, Street etc and No. or Name of House. If there was a "Ticket Writer" sign outside the house, it would be quite plausible for the enumerator to write it in that column. Just my thoughts. Regards Heather in Canberra, Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ros" <[email protected]> To: "'Wendy Inskeep'" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 1:54 AM Subject: [NFK] Suket Whater - Ticker Writer? 1871 Census Entry - RebeccaGreen, b. 1795, Hockwold > Hello, Wendy - It looks "Ticket Writer" or something like that. It is > written beside the entry for Samuel White, Showcard Writer/Painter. - Ros > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wendy Inskeep [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 11:29 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [NFK] Suket Whater - what is this? > > It says formerly housekeeper on the form and gives her birthplace as > Hockwold and her daughters' birthplaces as Methwold so they are from South > West Norfolk. Not quite sure where Upper West street is these days but I > think it was near Pottergate which five minutes walk from Westwick Street. > If you can read the Yard name ( Norwich yards were famous -or infamous-you > can google Plunketts Norwich and maybe find images or details of the yard > they lived in) > > Thank you Rosie for your suggestions. Do you think the writing I am > struggling with might be the name of a yard? I have been googling away and > am no further ahead. Of course I have been side tracked in reading about > life in these yards – something very foreign to me. > One place said that many of the yards in Norwich had unusual names. > Wendy > in New Zealand > > > >

I just saw this on facebook There is a new exhibition on Norfolk in the First War Opens August 4th Wish I could get there to see it, looks interesting -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

No still there . Runs from Grapes Hill/ Barn Road ( A147) eastwards ish parallel with the Wensum to the junction with Duke Street going towards Bank Plain. It has an s on Benedicts but some maps may miss this off. The Plough is still there would be interesting to try to work out which was the ticket writers. Rosie On 29/07/2014 11:11, Bob Rust via wrote: > Pat > > Looked up St Benedicts Street to see where it fitted with the Cambridge > census I am 'doing'. > None of my map programmes can find it. Perhaps it has been "redeveloped"! > Any idea about any nearby streets? > > Bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patricia" <[email protected]> > To: "Ros" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 7:08 PM > Subject: Re: [NFK] Suket Whater - Ticker Writer? 1871 Census Entry - > RebeccaGreen, b. 1795, Hockwold > > >> Samuel White was my 2x great uncle and he was a lithographer and printer, >> so therefore in the address entry it shows his place of work, Ticket >> Writers, which was also his residence. Lived above the shop so to speak. >> Upper Westwick Street is now called St Benedicts Street. >> As an aside Samuel drowned in the river Yare at Postwick in 1875 during a >> "frolic" >> Regards >> Pat >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On 28 Jul 2014, at 16:54, Ros via <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Hello, Wendy - It looks "Ticket Writer" or something like that. It is >>> written beside the entry for Samuel White, Showcard Writer/ >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

No still there Bob ! Runs from Grapes Hill/ Barn Road ( A147) eastwards ish parallel with the Wensum to the junction with Duke Street going towards Bank Plain. There is no s , it is St Benedict Street . Rosie On 29/07/2014 11:11, Bob Rust via wrote: > Pat > > Looked up St Benedicts Street to see where it fitted with the Cambridge > census I am 'doing'. > None of my map programmes can find it. Perhaps it has been "redeveloped"! > Any idea about any nearby streets? > > Bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patricia" <[email protected]> > To: "Ros" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 7:08 PM > Subject: Re: [NFK] Suket Whater - Ticker Writer? 1871 Census Entry - > RebeccaGreen, b. 1795, Hockwold > > >> Samuel White was my 2x great uncle and he was a lithographer and printer, >> so therefore in the address entry it shows his place of work, Ticket >> Writers, which was also his residence. Lived above the shop so to speak. >> Upper Westwick Street is now called St Benedicts Street. >> As an aside Samuel drowned in the river Yare at Postwick in 1875 during a >> "frolic" >> Regards >> Pat >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On 28 Jul 2014, at 16:54, Ros via <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Hello, Wendy - It looks "Ticket Writer" or something like that. It is >>> written beside the entry for Samuel White, Showcard Writer/ >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Pat Looked up St Benedicts Street to see where it fitted with the Cambridge census I am 'doing'. None of my map programmes can find it. Perhaps it has been "redeveloped"! Any idea about any nearby streets? Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia" <[email protected]> To: "Ros" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [NFK] Suket Whater - Ticker Writer? 1871 Census Entry - RebeccaGreen, b. 1795, Hockwold > Samuel White was my 2x great uncle and he was a lithographer and printer, > so therefore in the address entry it shows his place of work, Ticket > Writers, which was also his residence. Lived above the shop so to speak. > Upper Westwick Street is now called St Benedicts Street. > As an aside Samuel drowned in the river Yare at Postwick in 1875 during a > "frolic" > Regards > Pat > > Sent from my iPad > >> On 28 Jul 2014, at 16:54, Ros via <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hello, Wendy - It looks "Ticket Writer" or something like that. It is >> written beside the entry for Samuel White, Showcard Writer/ >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Hi Anne Pre easy printing days and for small runs or one off's, ticket writers wrote out the labels, cards and signs for goods in shop window displays Think sign writer Quite skilled in quality calligraphy and drawing Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 29/07/2014 03:32, Anne Boss via wrote: > Just to throw in the loop .... > What would a "ticket writer"s job have been in those days? > Regards > Anne

Pat - That explains why I couldn't find Samuel White in the 1881 census. (I was curious about who was living at his address ten years on and whether the enumerator at that time had written any other additional note by his address.) Some of my ancestors are from Postwick (surname TITE) as well. Ros -----Original Message----- From: Patricia [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 11:08 AM To: Ros; [email protected] Subject: Re: [NFK] Suket Whater - Ticker Writer? 1871 Census Entry - Rebecca Green, b. 1795, Hockwold Samuel White was my 2x great uncle and he was a lithographer and printer, so therefore in the address entry it shows his place of work, Ticket Writers, which was also his residence. Lived above the shop so to speak. Upper Westwick Street is now called St Benedicts Street. As an aside Samuel drowned in the river Yare at Postwick in 1875 during a "frolic" Regards Pat Sent from my iPad > On 28 Jul 2014, at 16:54, Ros via <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hello, Wendy - It looks "Ticket Writer" or something like that. It is written beside the entry for Samuel White, Showcard Writer/ > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4716 / Virus Database: 3986/7937 - Release Date: 07/28/14

Its an education in itself isn't it, looking at the yards and the area Like the Rows in Yarmouth, must have been a tough place to live Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 28/07/2014 19:18, [email protected] wrote: > Well humble pie here Nivard and Ros. reading glasses and full > magnification and a check on the yard names on the description on the > 1861 and the 1881 and I conclude that it is likely to be ticket writer. > I am also thinking that he meant Upper Westwick Street too rather than > Upper West , looking at the streets in St Margaret's but I am happy to > be put right on that! > Rosie > PS Have you seen how many people were living in Queen of Hungary Yard on > the 1881? My son lived in Betts Court off Cross lane for a few > years-one can only imagine what they would have been like with no modern > sanitation or water supply and packed with shoe workers and weavers etc. > Of course those which survived are very nice now.

Absolutely and how wonderful to have him for an uncle. Makes perfect sense now like Hinds or Hovells. Rosie On 28/07/2014 19:15, Nivard Ovington via wrote: > So we have maligned the poor old enumerator after all :-( > > But that makes sense, the address is his business > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 28/07/2014 19:08, Patricia via wrote: >> Samuel White was my 2x great uncle and he was a lithographer and printer, so therefore in the address entry it shows his place of work, Ticket Writers, which was also his residence. Lived above the shop so to speak. >> Upper Westwick Street is now called St Benedicts Street. >> As an aside Samuel drowned in the river Yare at Postwick in 1875 during a "frolic" >> Regards >> Pat > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well humble pie here Nivard and Ros. reading glasses and full magnification and a check on the yard names on the description on the 1861 and the 1881 and I conclude that it is likely to be ticket writer. I am also thinking that he meant Upper Westwick Street too rather than Upper West , looking at the streets in St Margaret's but I am happy to be put right on that! Rosie PS Have you seen how many people were living in Queen of Hungary Yard on the 1881? My son lived in Betts Court off Cross lane for a few years-one can only imagine what they would have been like with no modern sanitation or water supply and packed with shoe workers and weavers etc. Of course those which survived are very nice now. On 28/07/2014 18:28, Nivard Ovington via wrote: > I would say its quite a valid suggestion, I had not thought of it but it > is certainly possible > > I have spent some time checking the earlier census, the Norwich Yard > names and maps, nothing came close > > I can quite see the bleary eyed and tired enumerator taking his eye off > the ball and instead of writing in the yard name as he has on other > pages, he wrote what may have been the occupation the householder put > down, before the enumerator wrote Show Card Writer which is the proper > name for a ticket writer > > The first word looks like ticket, the second the first letter I thought > was a K for some time but I can see it being a poorly written W > > It may be in the wrong place on the form, but mistakes happen, the > enumerator was poorly paid and had little time to do all he had to do, > they were also fined some of their fee if the returns were late making > urgency paramount > > Anyone who has done transcribing will know just how easy it is to make > mistakes > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > On 28/07/2014 17:58, xpn11 via wrote: >> I dont think so because it is written in the address column where >> the enumerator puts additions like pub names, alley names etc under >> the main street name. Rosie > > On 28/07/2014 16:54, Ros via wrote: >>> Hello, Wendy - It looks "Ticket Writer" or something like that. It >>> is written beside the entry for Samuel White, Showcard >>> Writer/Painter. - Ros > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

So we have maligned the poor old enumerator after all :-( But that makes sense, the address is his business Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 28/07/2014 19:08, Patricia via wrote: > Samuel White was my 2x great uncle and he was a lithographer and printer, so therefore in the address entry it shows his place of work, Ticket Writers, which was also his residence. Lived above the shop so to speak. > Upper Westwick Street is now called St Benedicts Street. > As an aside Samuel drowned in the river Yare at Postwick in 1875 during a "frolic" > Regards > Pat

Samuel White was my 2x great uncle and he was a lithographer and printer, so therefore in the address entry it shows his place of work, Ticket Writers, which was also his residence. Lived above the shop so to speak. Upper Westwick Street is now called St Benedicts Street. As an aside Samuel drowned in the river Yare at Postwick in 1875 during a "frolic" Regards Pat Sent from my iPad > On 28 Jul 2014, at 16:54, Ros via <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hello, Wendy - It looks "Ticket Writer" or something like that. It is written beside the entry for Samuel White, Showcard Writer/ > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You might be right but why would he have a brainstorm and put an occupation where he has written The Plough , 3 King Lane etc in the same column ? No logic in it but the writing is scrappy so you may be correct. I think I am right in saying that some of the yard names changed over time and not all would have necessarily have been the same in 1871 as at other times so the Genuki or Plunketts lists might not be an infallible guide. I thought the first letter matched his F or T and the second his lower case a which seems to have an open top in some names. I was thinking water for the second part because there is a water something or other close to the river on Lower Westwick St. but as it is Upper I ruled it out . Puzzle-an excuse to go and have a look next time I am in the city-will all be demolished or conserved out of recognition. Rosie On 28/07/2014 18:28, Nivard Ovington via wrote: > I would say its quite a valid suggestion, I had not thought of it but it > is certainly possible > > I have spent some time checking the earlier census, the Norwich Yard > names and maps, nothing came close > > I can quite see the bleary eyed and tired enumerator taking his eye off > the ball and instead of writing in the yard name as he has on other > pages, he wrote what may have been the occupation the householder put > down, before the enumerator wrote Show Card Writer which is the proper > name for a ticket writer > > The first word looks like ticket, the second the first letter I thought > was a K for some time but I can see it being a poorly written W > > It may be in the wrong place on the form, but mistakes happen, the > enumerator was poorly paid and had little time to do all he had to do, > they were also fined some of their fee if the returns were late making > urgency paramount > > Anyone who has done transcribing will know just how easy it is to make > mistakes > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > On 28/07/2014 17:58, xpn11 via wrote: >> I dont think so because it is written in the address column where >> the enumerator puts additions like pub names, alley names etc under >> the main street name. Rosie > > On 28/07/2014 16:54, Ros via wrote: >>> Hello, Wendy - It looks "Ticket Writer" or something like that. It >>> is written beside the entry for Samuel White, Showcard >>> Writer/Painter. - Ros > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It says formerly housekeeper on the form and gives her birthplace as Hockwold and her daughters' birthplaces as Methwold so they are from South West Norfolk. Not quite sure where Upper West street is these days but I think it was near Pottergate which five minutes walk from Westwick Street. If you can read the Yard name ( Norwich yards were famous -or infamous-you can google Plunketts Norwich and maybe find images or details of the yard they lived in) Thank you Rosie for your suggestions. Do you think the writing I am struggling with might be the name of a yard? I have been googling away and am no further ahead. Of course I have been side tracked in reading about life in these yards – something very foreign to me. One place said that many of the yards in Norwich had unusual names. Wendy in New Zealand

I would say its quite a valid suggestion, I had not thought of it but it is certainly possible I have spent some time checking the earlier census, the Norwich Yard names and maps, nothing came close I can quite see the bleary eyed and tired enumerator taking his eye off the ball and instead of writing in the yard name as he has on other pages, he wrote what may have been the occupation the householder put down, before the enumerator wrote Show Card Writer which is the proper name for a ticket writer The first word looks like ticket, the second the first letter I thought was a K for some time but I can see it being a poorly written W It may be in the wrong place on the form, but mistakes happen, the enumerator was poorly paid and had little time to do all he had to do, they were also fined some of their fee if the returns were late making urgency paramount Anyone who has done transcribing will know just how easy it is to make mistakes Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 28/07/2014 17:58, xpn11 via wrote: > I dont think so because it is written in the address column where > the enumerator puts additions like pub names, alley names etc under > the main street name. Rosie On 28/07/2014 16:54, Ros via wrote: >> Hello, Wendy - It looks "Ticket Writer" or something like that. It >> is written beside the entry for Samuel White, Showcard >> Writer/Painter. - Ros