Try the National Archives. They are the treasure trove of info! Good luck... Judie Cook On Apr 19, 2012, at 9:52 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > You guys---I a m so glad someone started this thread--please tell me how to find out if someone was a slave--I need info for a person born 1811 in North Carolina--I found his son--where do I go from here? > > Donna > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marilyn Demas" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 4:37:29 PM > Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Slaves included in family tree > > Yes, and I can't begin to tell you how helpful that information has been to me when included - for research purposes! Please do include it! > marilyn > > > > ________________________________ > From: A. Mason Design <[email protected]> > To: Dean Micha Desman <[email protected]>; [email protected] > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 1:14 AM > Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Slaves included in family tree > > In some Southern households, the slaves were indeed considered like > family. I recently transcribed letters written by a former Southerner > who was living in California in 1865 to his relatives in Mississippi. In > addition to asking his southern relatives about "white" family members > and how they'd survived the war, the man also asked about the family of > one of their slaves. > > The slave father had come to California with the white family in the > 1850s, and was freed when the family learned California was a free > state. Both parties kept in touch with one another out here, and the > white man wrote letters on behalf of his former slave so the latter > could find out what happened to his kinfolk during the Civil War. One of > the southern relatives was very upset about the bad treatment one of his > former slaves had received at the hands of reconstructionists. > > Slavery was reprehensible but some southerners really did consider their > slaves like members of the family. I would include them at least as a > footnote. > > Hope this helps, > Anita C. > Monterey County > > > Dean Micha Desman wrote: >> Hi, everyone, >> >> I was reseaching about a particular branch of my family and discovered that in the 1840s through 1860s they owned slaves that were included in their census records. The slaves were listed as ""other relations" which sounds more like their slaves were relatives rather than property. Owning slaves is pretty reprehensible. Do I want to list the slaves as part of my family tree? No. However, should they be included because that was just the way it was at that time in history? >> >> Your thoughts? >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> Dean >> > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I began this thread because I was following a family line back in time. When I got to 1840s-1860s of relatives in Kentucky, the census was delineating free man vs. slave. My family in Kentucky had 4 free members and 3 slaves. It seemed strange that they would appear on the census if they weren't family but now that I think about it, it would list all people on that piece of land. In one census it listed the slaves as "other relations" but it seemed clear that the slaves were not related.   After several people shared their opinions, I will include the people within the census, even the slaves, bacause they were in fact slaves of the family. I shouldn't pretend like the family didn't have slaves.   By the way, thank you everyone for your thoughts on the matter,   Dean From: Judie Cook <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 7:32 PM Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Slaves included in family tree Try the National Archives.  They are the treasure trove of info! Good luck... Judie Cook On Apr 19, 2012, at 9:52 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > You guys---I a m so glad someone started this thread--please tell me how to find out if someone was a slave--I  need info  for a person born 1811 in North Carolina--I found his son--where do I go from here? > > Donna > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marilyn Demas" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 4:37:29 PM > Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Slaves included in family tree > > Yes, and I can't begin to tell you how helpful that information has been to me when included - for research purposes! Please do include it! > marilyn > > > > ________________________________ >  From: A. Mason Design <[email protected]> > To: Dean Micha Desman <[email protected]>; [email protected] > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 1:14 AM > Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Slaves included in family tree >  > In some Southern households, the slaves were indeed considered like > family. I recently transcribed letters written by a former Southerner > who was living in California in 1865 to his relatives in Mississippi. In > addition to asking his southern relatives about "white" family members > and how they'd survived the war, the man also asked about the family of > one of their slaves. > > The slave father had come to California with the white family in the > 1850s, and was freed when the family learned California was a free > state. Both parties kept in touch with one another out here, and the > white man wrote letters on behalf of his former slave so the latter > could find out what happened to his kinfolk during the Civil War. One of > the southern relatives was very upset about the bad treatment one of his > former slaves had received at the hands of reconstructionists. > > Slavery was reprehensible but some southerners really did consider their > slaves like members of the family. I would include them at least as a > footnote. > > Hope this helps, > Anita C. > Monterey County > > > Dean Micha Desman wrote: >> Hi, everyone, >>  >> I was reseaching about a particular branch of my family and discovered that in the 1840s through 1860s they owned slaves that were included in their census records. The slaves were listed as ""other relations" which sounds more like their slaves were relatives rather than property. Owning slaves is pretty reprehensible. Do I want to list the slaves as part of my family tree? No. However, should they be included because that was just the way it was at that time in history? >>  >> Your thoughts? >>  >> Thanks in advance, >>  >> Dean >>  > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL.  Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL.  Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL.  Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL.  Browse by month. 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Free negros sometimes had slaves. Also freed negros sometime bought their family members ,wife child from the owner. Lib Of Va. records.Also an owner might have slaves who were his progeny. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean Micha Desman" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 1:37 AM Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Slaves included in family tree I began this thread because I was following a family line back in time. When I got to 1840s-1860s of relatives in Kentucky, the census was delineating free man vs. slave. My family in Kentucky had 4 free members and 3 slaves. It seemed strange that they would appear on the census if they weren't family but now that I think about it, it would list all people on that piece of land. In one census it listed the slaves as "other relations" but it seemed clear that the slaves were not related. After several people shared their opinions, I will include the people within the census, even the slaves, bacause they were in fact slaves of the family. I shouldn't pretend like the family didn't have slaves. By the way, thank you everyone for your thoughts on the matter, Dean From: Judie Cook <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 7:32 PM Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Slaves included in family tree Try the National Archives. They are the treasure trove of info! Good luck... Judie Cook On Apr 19, 2012, at 9:52 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > You guys---I a m so glad someone started this thread--please tell me how > to find out if someone was a slave--I need info for a person born 1811 in > North Carolina--I found his son--where do I go from here? > > Donna > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marilyn Demas" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 4:37:29 PM > Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Slaves included in family tree > > Yes, and I can't begin to tell you how helpful that information has been > to me when included - for research purposes! Please do include it! > marilyn > > > > ________________________________ > From: A. Mason Design <[email protected]> > To: Dean Micha Desman <[email protected]>; [email protected] > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 1:14 AM > Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Slaves included in family tree > > In some Southern households, the slaves were indeed considered like > family. I recently transcribed letters written by a former Southerner > who was living in California in 1865 to his relatives in Mississippi. In > addition to asking his southern relatives about "white" family members > and how they'd survived the war, the man also asked about the family of > one of their slaves. > > The slave father had come to California with the white family in the > 1850s, and was freed when the family learned California was a free > state. Both parties kept in touch with one another out here, and the > white man wrote letters on behalf of his former slave so the latter > could find out what happened to his kinfolk during the Civil War. One of > the southern relatives was very upset about the bad treatment one of his > former slaves had received at the hands of reconstructionists. > > Slavery was reprehensible but some southerners really did consider their > slaves like members of the family. I would include them at least as a > footnote. > > Hope this helps, > Anita C. > Monterey County > > > Dean Micha Desman wrote: >> Hi, everyone, >> >> I was reseaching about a particular branch of my family and discovered >> that in the 1840s through 1860s they owned slaves that were included in >> their census records. The slaves were listed as ""other relations" which >> sounds more like their slaves were relatives rather than property. Owning >> slaves is pretty reprehensible. Do I want to list the slaves as part of >> my family tree? No. However, should they be included because that was >> just the way it was at that time in history? >> >> Your thoughts? >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> Dean >> > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL. 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Dean, Was this anywhere near Lexington, KY.? Lexington was a major slave trading hub one might say. marilyn d. ________________________________ From: Dean Micha Desman <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Slaves included in family tree I began this thread because I was following a family line back in time. When I got to 1840s-1860s of relatives in Kentucky, the census was delineating free man vs. slave. My family in Kentucky had 4 free members and 3 slaves. It seemed strange that they would appear on the census if they weren't family but now that I think about it, it would list all people on that piece of land. In one census it listed the slaves as "other relations" but it seemed clear that the slaves were not related.   After several people shared their opinions, I will include the people within the census, even the slaves, bacause they were in fact slaves of the family. I shouldn't pretend like the family didn't have slaves.   By the way, thank you everyone for your thoughts on the matter,   Dean From: Judie Cook <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 7:32 PM Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Slaves included in family tree Try the National Archives.  They are the treasure trove of info! Good luck... Judie Cook On Apr 19, 2012, at 9:52 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > You guys---I a m so glad someone started this thread--please tell me how to find out if someone was a slave--I  need info  for a person born 1811 in North Carolina--I found his son--where do I go from here? > > Donna > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marilyn Demas" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 4:37:29 PM > Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Slaves included in family tree > > Yes, and I can't begin to tell you how helpful that information has been to me when included - for research purposes! Please do include it! > marilyn > > > > ________________________________ >  From: A. Mason Design <[email protected]> > To: Dean Micha Desman <[email protected]>; [email protected] > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 1:14 AM > Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Slaves included in family tree >  > In some Southern households, the slaves were indeed considered like > family. I recently transcribed letters written by a former Southerner > who was living in California in 1865 to his relatives in Mississippi. In > addition to asking his southern relatives about "white" family members > and how they'd survived the war, the man also asked about the family of > one of their slaves. > > The slave father had come to California with the white family in the > 1850s, and was freed when the family learned California was a free > state. Both parties kept in touch with one another out here, and the > white man wrote letters on behalf of his former slave so the latter > could find out what happened to his kinfolk during the Civil War. One of > the southern relatives was very upset about the bad treatment one of his > former slaves had received at the hands of reconstructionists. > > Slavery was reprehensible but some southerners really did consider their > slaves like members of the family. I would include them at least as a > footnote. > > Hope this helps, > Anita C. > Monterey County > > > Dean Micha Desman wrote: >> Hi, everyone, >>  >> I was reseaching about a particular branch of my family and discovered that in the 1840s through 1860s they owned slaves that were included in their census records. The slaves were listed as ""other relations" which sounds more like their slaves were relatives rather than property. Owning slaves is pretty reprehensible. Do I want to list the slaves as part of my family tree? No. However, should they be included because that was just the way it was at that time in history? >>  >> Your thoughts? >>  >> Thanks in advance, >>  >> Dean >>  > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL.  Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL.  Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL.  Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL.  Browse by month. Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL.  Browse by month. Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message