Napa State Hospital closed the graveyard and transferred all the bodies to a mass grave at out of town. The cemetery is located on the highway leading into town very near the Napa College. The cemetery has a list of all who were moved there. Napa State Hospital never used Tulocay Cemetery. The pauper graves there are not Hospital inmated who died at NSH. Evalou -----Original Message----- From: norcal-request@rootsweb.com To: norcal@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, May 28, 2010 12:11 pm Subject: NORCAL Digest, Vol 5, Issue 213 NORCAL LIBRARY http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~yvonne/norcallib.html ----------------------------------------- ORCAL ARCHIVES: ttp://archiver.rootsweb.com/ nter NORCAL. Browse by month. r click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. oday's Topics: 1. Re: Insane? (Susan D Slade Grossl) 2. Re: Agnews History Museum (Nancy W.) 3. Re: Insane? (AO.Berry) 4. Burials at State Hospitals (Linda Mock) 5. Agnew (AO.Berry) 6. Developmentally disabled vs. insane at Agnews and elsewhere (Jeremy Nichols) 7. Re: Agnews History Museum (EdrieAnne Broughton) 8. ASH (ROLAND ELLIOTT) 9. Re: Agnews History Museum (HistorySmith.com) --------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 ate: Fri, 28 May 2010 10:01:00 -0600 rom: "Susan D Slade Grossl" <sdsladegrossl@cableone.net> ubject: Re: [NORCAL] Insane? o: "'ROLAND ELLIOTT'" <rolandelliott2@wildblue.net>, <norcal@rootsweb.com> essage-ID: <005101cafe7e$f7f47d10$e7dd7730$@net> ontent-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Roland, you can always put a smile on my face! Silly man of course I had female elatives..just none who got locked up J Susan From: ROLAND ELLIOTT [mailto:rolandelliott2@wildblue.net] ent: Friday, May 28, 2010 9:12 AM o: sdsladegrossl@cableone.net; norcal@rootsweb.com ubject: Re: [NORCAL] Insane? No Father,No Mother?????????.that is parthenogenesis's On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 8:09 AM, Susan D Slade Grossl sdsladegrossl@cableone.net> wrote: I guess I'm the one out of the norm here. I did not have an Aunt, or other emale relative, but rather a Great Uncle of my Grandfathers who was locked up. is business failed and he apparently had a hard time dealing with it. He was accidentally" scalded to death in a bath by one of the attendants. There was a ig investigation over it and it made the papers. Susan oise, Idaho, USA ---------------------------------------- ORCAL ARCHIVES: ttp://archiver.rootsweb.com/ nter NORCAL. Browse by month. r click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ---------------------------------------- o post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to ORCAL@rootsweb.com ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in he subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. hecked by AVG - www.avg.com ersion: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2898 - Release Date: 05/28/10 6:25:00 ------------------------------ Message: 2 ate: Fri, 28 May 2010 09:12:21 -0700 (PDT) rom: "Nancy W." <wright4766@bellsouth.net> ubject: Re: [NORCAL] Agnews History Museum o: norcal@rootsweb.com essage-ID: <514543.32238.qm@web83906.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> ontent-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 It could have been earlier, my sister went back to teaching about 1965.? I do emember the discussion was when we were together.? We didn't visit often.? It as a stop on the way to visit my parents.? Plane tickets for four was a luxury hat didn't come often. Nancy _______________________________ The developmentally challenged were routinely institutionalized in the old ays.? A lot of people abandoned those children.? The 1980s seems a bit late hough.? I thought ASH was closed by the mid 1970s. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? EdrieAnne ------------------------------ Message: 3 ate: Fri, 28 May 2010 09:37:10 -0700 rom: "AO.Berry" <lassic@telis.org> ubject: Re: [NORCAL] Insane? o: <norcal@rootsweb.com> essage-ID: <42D9F75EFF1C4A07BA2C77407AF44836@ArmendineBerPC> ontent-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original > No. They remained married until his death a year before hers. Payback is hell!!! Armendine ----------------------------- Message: 4 ate: Fri, 28 May 2010 09:48:10 -0700 rom: lindamock@webtv.net (Linda Mock) ubject: [NORCAL] Burials at State Hospitals o: norcal@rootsweb.com essage-ID: <15012-4BFFF3CA-2531@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net> ontent-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Most hospitals owned by the State have their own burial grounds on the roperty, most were limited in size.(999 graves) Records kept varied reatly as to information if any was kept..then if they filled the utoa, it was to the local cemetery's, they keep different types of ecords. Most were buried in pauper's graves with little information, ostly name, age and date of death...If an imate was fortunate enough, heir family claimed the remains for burial in the family plots. Napa urials need to check Tulocay Cemetery on Combsville Road. As Napa State ses them...Napa State doesn't release information easliy. So I'd start t the cemetery. ~Linda~ illow Creek, CA. ------------------------------ Message: 5 ate: Fri, 28 May 2010 09:55:49 -0700 rom: "AO.Berry" <lassic@telis.org> ubject: [NORCAL] Agnew o: "Nocalgen" <norcal@rootsweb.com> essage-ID: <7C9B375AEDE14709AAFB3044D3BD5056@ArmendineBerPC> ontent-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original My mother had what is now diagnosed as "early onset Alzheimers" but in the 950s it was diagnosed as dementia from too much bathtub gin. My father had he papers that gave that medical diagnosis. Because she started hiding nives and had become very violent my father had her put in Agnew. Within a ew months he was told she had jerked away from an attendant while going own the steps to take a walk and hit her head. Her brain swelled and she ied within a few days. As an adult I was never able to get any information rom Agnew and my father was dead by that time. Armendine Osthoff Berry ------------------------------ Message: 6 ate: Fri, 28 May 2010 10:03:26 -0700 rom: Jeremy Nichols <jeremy@cds1.net> ubject: [NORCAL] Developmentally disabled vs. insane at Agnews and elsewhere o: norcal@rootsweb.com essage-ID: <4BFFF75E.9030309@cds1.net> ontent-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Re: NORCAL Digest, Vol 5, Issue 212 Even a century ago medical science understood that there was a difference between the "developmentally disabled" and the "insane" and that the two needed to be separated and treated differently. In consequence, in 1891 the State built the "Home for the Care and Training of Feeble-Minded Children" at Eldridge (near Glen Ellen) in Sonoma County. All developmentally disabled persons were transferred there from other state institutions, including Agnews. [There may also have been a similar institution located in the State of Southern California but that is beyond my purview.] The 'Home' later was renamed the "Sonoma State Hospital" and now is the "Sonoma Developmental Center." SDC is still a major California center for care of the developmentally disabled. Many are permanently institutionalized "custodial cases" while others are mainstreamed, in whole or in part. Not all "clients" of SDC are indigent; some receive financial support from their families. The famous Sonoma County author Jack London wrote a short story obviously based upon SDC (his Beauty Ranch was literally next door) called Told In The Drooling Ward (first published in The Bookman, Vol. 39, June, 1914). It is at once both funny and sad. SDC has grown over the years and today has a huge and quite attractive campus. It also has its own cemetery, in which hundreds of patients were buried. In the 1960s all of the tombstones were removed by the State in a fit of political correctness. They were afraid that someone would see from a tombstone that someone's family member had been a patient there. SDC still has a map of the cemetery, it is said, and those who can prove a family relationship are allowed to visit the grave, it is said. Previous to the establishment of SDC, the developmentally disabled were kept at home, locked up with the insane, or sent to local establishments. One such girl, Nora Spurr (1855-1928) was sent to the Sonoma County Hospital in 1878 by her father, a successful Healdsburg lawyer. Nora spent her entire adult life at the county hospital, died there, and was buried by the county in their pauper's cemetery. Nora holds the sad distinction of being the person who spent the most time, 50 years, at the Sonoma County Hospital. Jeremy Nichols Santa Rosa [1]norcal-request@rootsweb.com wrote: Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 05:47:06 -0700 (PDT) rom: "Nancy W." [2]<wright4766@bellsouth.net> ubject: Re: [NORCAL] Agnews History Museum My sister was a special education teacher in San Jose. She taught the older tee s. In the 1980s she had a student that lived at Agnew. I am not sure I underst nd what Agnew was. This girl was not insane, she was simple. At that time did gnew house some of the indigent who were not mentally capable of caring for th mselves? Nancy in Louisiana References 1. mailto:norcal-request@rootsweb.com 2. mailto:wright4766@bellsouth.net ----------------------------- Message: 7 ate: Fri, 28 May 2010 10:18:15 -0700 rom: EdrieAnne Broughton <edrieanne@gmail.com> ubject: Re: [NORCAL] Agnews History Museum o: norcal@rootsweb.com essage-ID: <AANLkTik4bsxwoVEtKnQHcwZztS3eafryeDzKUs3byzmk@mail.gmail.com> ontent-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Agnew was closed, I believe during the Reagan governorship so that would ave been in the early 70s when he emptied all the mentally ill, brain amaged and Alzheimer's patients onto the streets. EdrieAnne ----------------------------- Message: 8 ate: Fri, 28 May 2010 10:25:28 -0700 rom: ROLAND ELLIOTT <rolandelliott2@wildblue.net> ubject: [NORCAL] ASH o: norcal@rootsweb.com essage-ID: <AANLkTiktlUF6PjkZRbsvssmKvxm2kK10mLjNlVLDUEab@mail.gmail.com> ontent-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 It is over cast and temp dropped so you get to here my ASH story.I was ischarged june 9th of 54 and married the 10th of July ,54 so I signed up at an Jose State to finish college,i needed a job and heard the Sheriff's ffice was higher Disabled Vets so I got the job on the swing shift.In the pring of 55 on the 1S1[SO,Swing shift,first district close to the office] ot a call for a 5050[now 5150] at Fire Station #1 off north first street When we got there a very strong babbling ,unwashed women was being subdued y Fire personel.She was claim her children were burning to death at a ddress that did not exist and on and on so we got her in car and I handed y handgun to the driver[who died up here by the way] and got in the back ith her sitting behind the driver as we did not have screens in those days n the 52 Ford.She was semi calm until "Ripper" called dispatch and stated e were 928 enroute ASH ,at that point the went bananas and tried for the river I grabber her and we went to the floor with the raised drive shaft nder may back and a firm hold on a smelly crazy women and Ripper went Code [red lights and siren ]at that point encouragein me to hold tight.When we ot there they knew were coming and took her off me and four men got her in jacket then the came to help me as I was semi paralyxed.had been to ASH efore and when she heard the word it had set her off. ----------------------------- Message: 9 ate: Fri, 28 May 2010 12:11:24 -0700 (PDT) rom: "HistorySmith.com" <jim@historysmith.com> ubject: Re: [NORCAL] Agnews History Museum o: norcal@rootsweb.com essage-ID: <2135073.1275073884843.JavaMail.root@whwamui-soar.pas.sa.earthlink.net> ontent-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Agnew was still open in the 90s. It's now Cisco & a shopping center. Also, just for teh sake of getting history correct, the CA Legislature voted to hange the rules for mental incarceration. As the chief executive, Reagan had o comply though he didn't raise the red flag. As usual, it was poorly thought hrough & so many of the mentally unstable were just dumped on the street. The emocrats blame Reagan & the Republicans blame the Democratic legislature but in act, both were equally at fault. It was once too easy to get people committed, now it's very hard. im -----Original Message----- From: EdrieAnne Broughton <edrieanne@gmail.com> Sent: May 28, 2010 10:18 AM To: norcal@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Agnews History Museum Agnew was closed, I believe during the Reagan governorship so that would have been in the early 70s when he emptied all the mentally ill, brain damaged and Alzheimer's patients onto the streets. 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