No it was for their confidence they were not trained pilots and few had more than three T&G's,but they had a "Geisha" and Sake ----- Original Message ----- From: "James R Smith" <jim@historysmith.com> To: <norcal@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Notorious California Events Right you are, Roland. FYI - Kamikaze pilots carried parachutes so that IF their plane couldn't make it to a target, they could bail out to retry. Trained pilots were at a premium. Jim http://books.google.com/books?id=ck4EAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA22&dq=japanese+submarine+torpedo+california+auto&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=1#v=onepage&q=&f=false roland elliott wrote: > Their were thousand of Barometric Balloons a .45 cents about for each .A > Japanese scientist discovered the Jet stream in the 30's and wrote it up > in > a Scientific Journal in Esperanza thinking the Scientific community would > be > using Esperanza,it was General LeMay from Saipan that really found it as > his > pilots were 100's of miles at times off target.The West coast kept it > secret > that Japs had taken barometric readings for years over the West Coast and > knew the readings in WA,OR and Kalitaxia.The bombs released by Barometric > readings landed in Forests,Fields and communities and killing some,burning > some and doing no harm other that Psychological in others .I have seen > one.They also used a long range IL Class Submarine that carried two miny > subs or one Amphibian.My uncle a coast watcher in Rolling Hills spotted > one > and it was sunk a Portuguese bend[I dove on in in 1950 with others} and > then > the mother sub went north to Oxnard and fired at the Oil Refinery.One of > the > three IL's launched a by plane towards Portland that bombed a field > returned > to sea only to find he was abandoned.A question,why were Kamikaze pilots > given a parachute? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Susan D Slade Grossl" <sdsladegrossl@cableone.net> > To: <norcal@rootsweb.com>; <socal@rootsweb.com>; "SF Genealogy" > <casanfra@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 2:36 PM > Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Notorious California Events > > > Jim, > > Didn't the balloon land in Oregon and kill one person? or where there two > balloons and one lit in California? > > Susan > Boise, Idaho, USA > > -----Original Message----- > From: norcal-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:norcal-bounces@rootsweb.com]On > Behalf Of James R Smith > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 11:04 AM > To: norcal@rootsweb.com; socal@rootsweb.com; SF Genealogy > Subject: [NORCAL] Notorious California Events > > My grandmother grew up in the Tri-county area (Colusa/Sutter/Yuba) and > talked about the Joaquin Murrieta gang there and the shooting of sheriff > Buchanan at Spanish Camp (Sonora Camp). He & her Uncle Billy were friends. > My GG-grandfather logged his arrival in California in 1850 as "arriving > in Hangtown, now Placerville,where during the vigilence (sic) days, they > saw the celebrated gambler "Dick" hanged." I still haven't found a local > record of that event but no matter. > I have a recollection of my aunt (by marriage) telling of a Japanese > balloon landing on the north coast carrying a bomb during WWII. It > didn't go off. > > What was the most notorious or ill-famed event noted by those in your > California family tree (yourself included)? If it was you, have you > documented the event? Genealogy includes documenting the times, good & > bad. > > I have an ulterior motive. I'm working on a follow-on to SNATCH & am > looking for the state's darker events. I thought about this when I was > speaking to a hotel manager at a San Francisco Convention & Visitors > Bureau event last year. He mentioned that Billy Holiday was busted for > drugs in his hotel. 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I read that the only Kamikaze pilots to wear parachutes were those defending the home Islands with instructions to ram the B-29s. Most of these were not successful in bailing out in time as they were ill trained and could not estimate their air speed in time. (Sort of like a driver in a car who darts out in front along the freeway). As for Sake, definitely. As for a "Geisha" I have not found proof and in watching documentaries on the Military Channel and History Channel, a lot of Japanese who did not "complete" their death mission, had wished for such a treat instead of a head band, etc. Raymond -------------------------------------------------- From: "roland elliott" <rolandelliott2@wildblue.net> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 01:10 AM To: <norcal@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Notorious California Events > No it was for their confidence they were not trained pilots and few had > more > than three T&G's,but they had a "Geisha" and Sake > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James R Smith" <jim@historysmith.com> > To: <norcal@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 3:12 PM > Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Notorious California Events > > > Right you are, Roland. > > FYI - Kamikaze pilots carried parachutes so that IF their plane couldn't > make it to a target, they could bail out to retry. Trained pilots were > at a premium. > Jim > http://books.google.com/books?id=ck4EAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA22&dq=japanese+submarine+torpedo+california+auto&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=1#v=onepage&q=&f=false > > > roland elliott wrote: >> Their were thousand of Barometric Balloons a .45 cents about for each .A >> Japanese scientist discovered the Jet stream in the 30's and wrote it up >> in >> a Scientific Journal in Esperanza thinking the Scientific community would >> be >> using Esperanza,it was General LeMay from Saipan that really found it as >> his >> pilots were 100's of miles at times off target.The West coast kept it >> secret >> that Japs had taken barometric readings for years over the West Coast and >> knew the readings in WA,OR and Kalitaxia.The bombs released by Barometric >> readings landed in Forests,Fields and communities and killing >> some,burning >> some and doing no harm other that Psychological in others .I have seen >> one.They also used a long range IL Class Submarine that carried two miny >> subs or one Amphibian.My uncle a coast watcher in Rolling Hills spotted >> one >> and it was sunk a Portuguese bend[I dove on in in 1950 with others} and >> then >> the mother sub went north to Oxnard and fired at the Oil Refinery.One of >> the >> three IL's launched a by plane towards Portland that bombed a field >> returned >> to sea only to find he was abandoned.A question,why were Kamikaze pilots >> given a parachute? >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Susan D Slade Grossl" <sdsladegrossl@cableone.net> >> To: <norcal@rootsweb.com>; <socal@rootsweb.com>; "SF Genealogy" >> <casanfra@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 2:36 PM >> Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Notorious California Events >> >> >> Jim, >> >> Didn't the balloon land in Oregon and kill one person? or where there two >> balloons and one lit in California? >> >> Susan >> Boise, Idaho, USA >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: norcal-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:norcal-bounces@rootsweb.com]On >> Behalf Of James R Smith >> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 11:04 AM >> To: norcal@rootsweb.com; socal@rootsweb.com; SF Genealogy >> Subject: [NORCAL] Notorious California Events >> >> My grandmother grew up in the Tri-county area (Colusa/Sutter/Yuba) and >> talked about the Joaquin Murrieta gang there and the shooting of sheriff >> Buchanan at Spanish Camp (Sonora Camp). He & her Uncle Billy were >> friends. >> My GG-grandfather logged his arrival in California in 1850 as "arriving >> in Hangtown, now Placerville,where during the vigilence (sic) days, they >> saw the celebrated gambler "Dick" hanged." I still haven't found a local >> record of that event but no matter. >> I have a recollection of my aunt (by marriage) telling of a Japanese >> balloon landing on the north coast carrying a bomb during WWII. It >> didn't go off. >> >> What was the most notorious or ill-famed event noted by those in your >> California family tree (yourself included)? If it was you, have you >> documented the event? Genealogy includes documenting the times, good & >> bad. >> >> I have an ulterior motive. I'm working on a follow-on to SNATCH & am >> looking for the state's darker events. I thought about this when I was >> speaking to a hotel manager at a San Francisco Convention & Visitors >> Bureau event last year. He mentioned that Billy Holiday was busted for >> drugs in his hotel. To him, that had impact. >> >> Thanks! >> Jim >> >> >> >> ----------------------------------------- >> NORCAL ARCHIVES: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ >> Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. >> Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. >> ----------------------------------------- >> To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to >> NORCAL@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ----------------------------------------- >> NORCAL ARCHIVES: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ >> Enter NORCAL. 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