Nancy, I sincerely hope Sierra Co. has its naturalization records. Marin County doesn't. They decided they needed space and it turned out that they were given to the National Archives in San Bruno for safe keeping. I think it was Ken who suggested you call them; I agree 100%. Possibly there is a genealogical society in the vicinity who for a small fee would get copies for you. Cathy Marin Co., CA "There is no snooze button on a cat who wants breakfast" - unknown

Ken, Country of origin would be wonderful. Right now I have Canada, Ireland and Scotland depending on the record you are looking at. Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: <Ktsc100@aol.com> > Nancy, > > According to Guide to the County Archives of California, by Owen C. Coy, > this is what Sierra County had in 1916. > > Declaration of Intention. Record, 1906-date, 1 v.; Index, 1852-1905, 1 v. > Naturalization, Acts of, 1869-1888, 3 v.; Records of , 1888-1906, 2 v.; > Petition and Record, 1906-date,1 v. > Naturalized Citizens Index, 1852-1905, 1 v. > > It is anybody's guess what might have happened to the documents from > 1862. > Sierra is a very tiny county and the employees probably wear many hats. > Your email may never get answered. I would suggest you call the county > and > ask for whatever information they might have. However, don't expect > much. > The early documents recorded before 1906 seldom contained anything other > then the person's country of origin. > > Ken Tessendorff > ========= > > > > In a message dated 8/4/2013 2:58:58 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > wright4766@bellsouth.net writes: > > My gr grandfather was naturalized in Sierra County in 1862. I e-mailed > teh Clerk of Court there to ask how I could get a copy of that > naturalization > and the cost. I haven't had any answer. Can anyone tell me what else I > can do? Anyone know how to get a copy of the record or the cost of > copies? > > Nancy in Louisiana > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to > NORCAL@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to > NORCAL@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Nancy, According to Guide to the County Archives of California, by Owen C. Coy, this is what Sierra County had in 1916. Declaration of Intention. Record, 1906-date, 1 v.; Index, 1852-1905, 1 v. Naturalization, Acts of, 1869-1888, 3 v.; Records of , 1888-1906, 2 v.; Petition and Record, 1906-date,1 v. Naturalized Citizens Index, 1852-1905, 1 v. It is anybody's guess what might have happened to the documents from 1862. Sierra is a very tiny county and the employees probably wear many hats. Your email may never get answered. I would suggest you call the county and ask for whatever information they might have. However, don't expect much. The early documents recorded before 1906 seldom contained anything other then the person's country of origin. Ken Tessendorff ========= In a message dated 8/4/2013 2:58:58 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, wright4766@bellsouth.net writes: My gr grandfather was naturalized in Sierra County in 1862. I e-mailed teh Clerk of Court there to ask how I could get a copy of that naturalization and the cost. I haven't had any answer. Can anyone tell me what else I can do? Anyone know how to get a copy of the record or the cost of copies? Nancy in Louisiana ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to NORCAL@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My gr grandfather was naturalized in Sierra County in 1862. I e-mailed teh Clerk of Court there to ask how I could get a copy of that naturalization and the cost. I haven't had any answer. Can anyone tell me what else I can do? Anyone know how to get a copy of the record or the cost of copies? Nancy in Louisiana

thanks, Tom, am looking forward to the rest. donna 1 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Jay Kemp" <thomas.j.kemp@gmail.com> To: "NORCAL" <NORCAL@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 3:45:24 AM Subject: [NORCAL] Top Genealogy Websites - Part 1 - Google I have been working on my family history for 50 years now. So much has changed—family researchers today have a much different task then we had decades ago. Looking at the online genealogy tools available today, I would like to focus on the top websites that will save you time and money so that your family research is preserved, well documented and readily available to the rising generation of your extended family tree. First Article: http://blog.genealogybank.com/top-13-genealogy-websites-pt-1-google.html ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL.  Browse by month. Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to NORCAL@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have been working on my family history for 50 years now. So much has changed—family researchers today have a much different task then we had decades ago. Looking at the online genealogy tools available today, I would like to focus on the top websites that will save you time and money so that your family research is preserved, well documented and readily available to the rising generation of your extended family tree. First Article: http://blog.genealogybank.com/top-13-genealogy-websites-pt-1-google.html

Hi Listers, I found a while back, the Church sent back to the old world, lots of family church records..while in Switz, found, that's what happened here in the Cath. Church, was also sent back to the old country and recorded in city records and books..I found that each member of the family had a book about their life here in the USA. Even the children have their own book, hand written in the most beautiful hand script I've ever seen, done by a gentleman recorder.. ~hum.Linda~

Yes, Downieville is the county seat.   Susan ________________________________ From: Nancy <wright4766@bellsouth.net> To: norcal@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 4:50 PM Subject: [NORCAL] California Naturalizations George Black was naturalized in Sierra County in 1872 - according to the voter's registration.  Would those records still be in the clerk's office?  Is Downieville the county seat of Sierra County? Nancy in Louisiana ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL.  Browse by month. Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to NORCAL@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

George Black was naturalized in Sierra County in 1872 - according to the voter's registration. Would those records still be in the clerk's office? Is Downieville the county seat of Sierra County? Nancy in Louisiana

Sorry, folks. The cat stepped on the keyboard as I was reading...... Cathy Marin Co., CA "There is no snooze button on a cat who wants breakfast" - unknown

Cathy Marin Co., CA "There is no snooze button on a cat who wants breakfast" - unknown

Thanks to everyone for questioning me and offering suggestions. It made me check my facts and dates. Now that I see the children of George P. Lowrie and Georgie Anna Black Lowrie were chrsitened in the Episcopal church, I think it less likely that George and Georgie were married in a Catholic church in San Francisco. It was most likely a civil marriage in 1904 and any record of it was lost in the earthquake and fire of 1906. I was elated to find the brief newspaper article mentioning the marriage because I have looked for this marriage record for over 30 years. All surrounding counties have been checked. I would still like more than 2 paragraphs and three sentences in a newspaper to record this marriage, but when dealing with San Francisco records prior to 1906, we take what we can find. Nancy in Louisiana

Georgie Anna Black was the daughter of George Black and Margaret "Maggie" Carter. She was born 1871 in Oakland. After her parents died (Maggie in 1884 and George in 1894) Georgie lived with her uncle Martin Carter (of Irvington) and his sons Thomas N, Leland E., Frank M. and Martin G. Carter. Their mother, Mary Larkin Carter, died in 1894. Martin Carter died in 1908 and is buried in Holy Cross Cemetery (Catholic) in Colma. Mary Larkin Carter is buried in St. Joseph Cemetery (Catholic) in Mission San Jose. George Patterson Lowrie (of Centerville, now Fremont) married Annie Margaret Ralph about 1898. They had Annie Lowrie in Dec. 1899. Annie Ralph Lowrie died in Jan. 1900. George P. Lowrie married Georgie Ann Black in Jan. 1904 in San Francisco. George P. Lowrie died in 1938 and is buried in Decoto Cem. (Cypress Cem., Chapel of the Chimes Memorial Park). Georgie Ann Black Lowrie died in 1960 and is buried in Mountain view Cem. in Oakland along with her parents and three siblings who died, 2 as infants and a 3rd at age 12. 3 of George Patterson Lowrie's siblings were christened in St. Joseph Catholic church in Mission San Jose. Georgie Ann Black and two of her siblings were christened in St. Mary Catholic church in Oakland. (The two siblings who died as infants were first buried in St. Mary Cem. Oakland and in 1889 were moved to Mountain View Cem.) The three children of George P. Lowrie and Georgie Anna Carter Lowrie were christened in St. James Epicopal church in Centerville. From: <vctinney@sbcglobal.net> > The question I still have in my mind, > is the marriage of a niece in 1904; when, > Martin G. Carter, her uncle, was born in 1886; > which seems somewhat time period problematic.

Nancy, I use FamilySearch.org often for California County Marriages. I put in the name George Lowrie as you have it spelled and came up with some for George Lowery. One marriage was for 17 Nov 1904 in San Francisco County, spouse was Sophia Adams. The actual image of this marriage is not available online but the microfilm would be available at your local Family History Center (LDS). Many images ARE online. My point here is ... yes, there ARE marriage records available for San Francisco County in 1904. This entire collection of "California, County Marriages, 1850-1952" has nearly 42,000 entries for marriages in San Francisco County, 1899 - 1906. Don't give up!! Sheila On 7/28/2013 5:31 PM, Nancy wrote: > Thanks to everyone for questioning me and offering suggestions. It made me check my facts and dates. Now that I see the children of George P. Lowrie and Georgie Anna Black Lowrie were chrsitened in the Episcopal church, I think it less likely that George and Georgie were married in a Catholic church in San Francisco. It was most likely a civil marriage in 1904 and any record of it was lost in the earthquake and fire of 1906. I was elated to find the brief newspaper article mentioning the marriage because I have looked for this marriage record for over 30 years. All surrounding counties have been checked. > > I would still like more than 2 paragraphs and three sentences in a newspaper to record this marriage, but when dealing with San Francisco records prior to 1906, we take what we can find. > > Nancy in Louisiana > >

Have they tried Holy Cross in Colma? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 28, 2013, at 4:16 PM, Marilyn Demas <theschoolbell@yahoo.com> wrote: > Hello Folks, > I haven't read all of these responses so I apologize if I missed this, > but could Mr/Dr Carter be buried in a Catholic Cemetery? If SF or Alameda > Counties have Catholic cemeteries their cem records should be at a diocese office someplace and a Catholic Church should at least be able to tell you where the diocese cemetery records can be located. Up here in Sacramento, it is at a place called St Mary's, yet the records contained their include the records from Sacramento's oldest Catholic Cem, St Joseph's. > > marilyn in Sac > > > ________________________________ > From: Nancy <wright4766@bellsouth.net> > To: Margie <twigsnbranches@earthlink.net>; norcal@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 9:14 AM > Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Catholic churches in San Francisco 1904? > > > Margie, > > The newspaper article says George P. [Patterson] Lowrie, a well-to-do fruit > grower residing near Niles, was married in San Francisco last Saturday to > Miss Georgie Black, niece of Martin Carter, the Newark car builder, whose > home is at Irvington. > Martin Carter may have maintained a home in San Francisco also. If he did, > I have no idea where in San Francisco. I doubt the Archdiocese of San > Francisco will look for a record unless I can say in what church they may > have been married. I don't know how may Catholic churces there were in San > Francisco in 1904. I am sure there were quite a few. > > Nancy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Margie" <twigsnbranches@earthlink.net> > To: <norcal@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 11:45 AM > Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Catholic churches in San Francisco 1904? > > >> Nancy: >> >> The usual answer given to those searching for records San Francisco Bay >> Area pre-1906 Earthquake and fire is to say they were destroyed. While >> many records were destroyed of course, others were not destroyed and with >> some dedicated digging they MIGHT be found. It would depend upon where >> the record was at the time of the fire especially and whether the record >> might have been somewhere safe. It is difficult for us to help you >> without a bit more information such as knowing the names you are >> searching. >> >> I mention this 'not all records were destroyed' since my family was in San >> Francisco and the East Bay (Oakland) since the 1850s and I found original >> orphanage records in San Francisco from 1862 - it took a lot of digging by >> myself to find the place where the record might be kept and a very >> dedicated volunteer helped me as I no longer lived in SF. Without a name >> to begin, we are less able to help you. >> >> First off, I am assuming (a nasty word in genealogy - sorry) that you have >> gone through the www.sfgenealogy.com site? Lots of good information >> there. >> >> You do give us some clues to follow - so I have some questions..... >> >> You mentioned you have a newspaper article - is this a 'notice of their >> marriage' or an article? Articles would usually give more details and IF >> they were married in a church (not all were) that would be mentioned. >> >> Where was this newspaper article published? Do you have the name of the >> newspaper? In which city/town was it published? The San Francisco Call >> Bulletin - Morning and Evening editions are often found in some online >> databases such as genealogybank.com, Library of Congress online and the >> wonderful index for these papers by Jim Falkinbury - this site >> http://www.jwfgenresearch.com/SFCallIndex.htm says 'up to 1900' yet I >> found some of my family into the early 1900s. Try it with both names. >> >> Also, you say they didn't follow the Catholic religion and yet you say you >> "don't expect to find a civil record of their marriage." That clue might >> mean they chose a non-church wedding to me. >> >> A 'for instance' is my grandparents were living in San Francisco and I >> hunted and hunted for their marriage record before I found their marriage >> in San Jose in this same time period - they were married a month before >> the earthquake and fire. True, I found it by accident since I was at the >> Santa Clara County court house doing research for my employer - and I >> 'just picked up' the book of marriages lying on the counter - this was >> before these books are guarded almost under lock and key 'because of >> identy theft' supposedly. I never would have thought to look there if I >> hadn't been there in person. These records are now online, but not then. >> >> Are you aware that marriage records are held at the County level as well >> as being sent to the State Archives - which could take up to a year to get >> the certificate. >> >> Since your grandparents siblings were baptized in Mission San Jose, that >> clue would be to search in the southern part of Alameda County since that >> is where the Mission is located. >> >> Don't give up you search when someone tells you that the record 'can't be >> found' that just means you need to have more 'digging power.' >> >> Margie >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Nancy <wright4766@bellsouth.net> >>> Sent: Jul 27, 2013 6:18 PM >>> To: norcal@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: [NORCAL] Catholic churches in San Francisco 1904? >>> >>> I have been looking for my grandparents marriage for at least 30 years. I >>> just found a newspaper article about it. They were married on Jan 2, >>> 1904. My grandfather lived in Centerville, Alameda County. My >>> grandmother was in the 1900 census with her uncle in Washington Township, >>> Alameda County. She was baptised in St. Mary's Catholic church in >>> Oakland. 3 My grandfathers 4 siblings were baptised in St. Joseph >>> Catholic church in Mission San Jose. >>> >>> My grandparents went to San Franciso to be married. I have no idea what >>> church in San Francisco, if any. They did not follow the Catholic >>> religion later and may not have been married in the church. What are my >>> chances of finding a record of their marriage in the St. Francisco >>> Archdiocese Archives? I don't expect to find a civil record of their >>> marriage. >>> >>> How in the world did people travel across the bay at that time. They all >>> seemed to go to San Francisco so often. Was there ferry service from >>> Alameda County? >>> >>> Nancy >>> >> >> >> ----------------------------------------- >> NORCAL ARCHIVES: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ >> Enter NORCAL. 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Margie, The newspaper article says George P. [Patterson] Lowrie, a well-to-do fruit grower residing near Niles, was married in San Francisco last Saturday to Miss Georgie Black, niece of Martin Carter, the Newark car builder, whose home is at Irvington. Martin Carter may have maintained a home in San Francisco also. If he did, I have no idea where in San Francisco. I doubt the Archdiocese of San Francisco will look for a record unless I can say in what church they may have been married. I don't know how may Catholic churces there were in San Francisco in 1904. I am sure there were quite a few. Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margie" <twigsnbranches@earthlink.net> To: <norcal@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Catholic churches in San Francisco 1904? > Nancy: > > The usual answer given to those searching for records San Francisco Bay > Area pre-1906 Earthquake and fire is to say they were destroyed. While > many records were destroyed of course, others were not destroyed and with > some dedicated digging they MIGHT be found. It would depend upon where > the record was at the time of the fire especially and whether the record > might have been somewhere safe. It is difficult for us to help you > without a bit more information such as knowing the names you are > searching. > > I mention this 'not all records were destroyed' since my family was in San > Francisco and the East Bay (Oakland) since the 1850s and I found original > orphanage records in San Francisco from 1862 - it took a lot of digging by > myself to find the place where the record might be kept and a very > dedicated volunteer helped me as I no longer lived in SF. Without a name > to begin, we are less able to help you. > > First off, I am assuming (a nasty word in genealogy - sorry) that you have > gone through the www.sfgenealogy.com site? Lots of good information > there. > > You do give us some clues to follow - so I have some questions..... > > You mentioned you have a newspaper article - is this a 'notice of their > marriage' or an article? Articles would usually give more details and IF > they were married in a church (not all were) that would be mentioned. > > Where was this newspaper article published? Do you have the name of the > newspaper? In which city/town was it published? The San Francisco Call > Bulletin - Morning and Evening editions are often found in some online > databases such as genealogybank.com, Library of Congress online and the > wonderful index for these papers by Jim Falkinbury - this site > http://www.jwfgenresearch.com/SFCallIndex.htm says 'up to 1900' yet I > found some of my family into the early 1900s. Try it with both names. > > Also, you say they didn't follow the Catholic religion and yet you say you > "don't expect to find a civil record of their marriage." That clue might > mean they chose a non-church wedding to me. > > A 'for instance' is my grandparents were living in San Francisco and I > hunted and hunted for their marriage record before I found their marriage > in San Jose in this same time period - they were married a month before > the earthquake and fire. True, I found it by accident since I was at the > Santa Clara County court house doing research for my employer - and I > 'just picked up' the book of marriages lying on the counter - this was > before these books are guarded almost under lock and key 'because of > identy theft' supposedly. I never would have thought to look there if I > hadn't been there in person. These records are now online, but not then. > > Are you aware that marriage records are held at the County level as well > as being sent to the State Archives - which could take up to a year to get > the certificate. > > Since your grandparents siblings were baptized in Mission San Jose, that > clue would be to search in the southern part of Alameda County since that > is where the Mission is located. > > Don't give up you search when someone tells you that the record 'can't be > found' that just means you need to have more 'digging power.' > > Margie > > > > -----Original Message----- >>From: Nancy <wright4766@bellsouth.net> >>Sent: Jul 27, 2013 6:18 PM >>To: norcal@rootsweb.com >>Subject: [NORCAL] Catholic churches in San Francisco 1904? >> >>I have been looking for my grandparents marriage for at least 30 years. I >>just found a newspaper article about it. They were married on Jan 2, >>1904. My grandfather lived in Centerville, Alameda County. My >>grandmother was in the 1900 census with her uncle in Washington Township, >>Alameda County. She was baptised in St. Mary's Catholic church in >>Oakland. 3 My grandfathers 4 siblings were baptised in St. Joseph >>Catholic church in Mission San Jose. >> >>My grandparents went to San Franciso to be married. I have no idea what >>church in San Francisco, if any. They did not follow the Catholic >>religion later and may not have been married in the church. What are my >>chances of finding a record of their marriage in the St. Francisco >>Archdiocese Archives? I don't expect to find a civil record of their >>marriage. >> >>How in the world did people travel across the bay at that time. They all >>seemed to go to San Francisco so often. Was there ferry service from >>Alameda County? >> >>Nancy >> > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL. 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The question I still have in my mind, is the marriage of a niece in 1904; when, Martin G. Carter, her uncle, was born in 1886; which seems somewhat time period problematic. [He was born in Irvington, Alameda county, California, April 23, 1886, his parents being Martin and Mary Jane (Larkin) Carter, the former born in County Galway, Ireland, April 6, 1840, while the latter was a native of the state of New York, born June 12, 1854.]  Mary Jane Larkin, born 1854, was 31 when Martin was born. If Miss Georgie Black, niece of Martin Carter, was say, 18 years old when married in 1904, she would have been born circa 1886; her Carter mother could be estimated as born circa 1866; as such this would make Mary Jane Larkin as aged 12 years old.  Again, problematic, unless the said father, Martin Carter, born April 6, 1840, in County Galway, Ireland, had a former wife? _______________________________ The Biography of Martin G. Carter, M.D. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~npmelton/lacar8.htm [Martin and Thomas Carter constituted the firm of “Carter Brothers, Car Builders,” manufacturing in their plants at Folsom, Sausalito and Newark, California, practically all the railroad car equipment used in the west in the early days.] Continuing, according to this record, [He was born in Irvington, Alameda county, California, April 23, 1886,] . . . [Dr. Carter had remained at the place of his nativity until fourteen years of age and then in 1900 removed from Irvington to Santa Clara, where he resided for six years. He next lived in San Francisco from 1906 until 1910, then spent a year in San Leandro and since 1912 had made his home in Los Angeles.] So, at the time of the alleged marriage, in 1904, Martin G. Carter was in Santa Clara; he was single; your statement suggests he had a sister who married ____ Black; this record mentions relations which only includes three brothers; he was reared in the Catholic Church [apparently in Irvington, Alameda County, California, (1886-1900) as well as in Santa Clara, between 1900 to 1906.] So, these two areas would be of interest to me, (as they were eventually prominent), as per Catholic record information related to an alleged sister who married _____ Black; their posterity, etc. Respectfully yours, Tom Tinney, Sr. ________________________________ From: Lee Neilsen <lloyd_neilsen@me.com> To: Marilyn Demas <theschoolbell@live.com>; "norcal@rootsweb.com" <norcal@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Catholic churches in San Francisco 1904? Have they tried Holy Cross in Colma? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 28, 2013, at 4:16 PM, Marilyn Demas <theschoolbell@yahoo.com> wrote: > Hello Folks, > I haven't read all of these responses so I apologize if I missed this, > but could Mr/Dr Carter be buried in a Catholic Cemetery? If SF or Alameda > Counties have Catholic cemeteries their cem records should be at a diocese office someplace and a Catholic Church should at least be able to tell you where the diocese cemetery records can be located. Up here in Sacramento, it is at a place called St Mary's, yet the records contained their include the records from Sacramento's oldest Catholic Cem, St Joseph's. > > marilyn in Sac > > > ________________________________ > From: Nancy <wright4766@bellsouth.net> > To: Margie <twigsnbranches@earthlink.net>; norcal@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 9:14 AM > Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Catholic churches in San Francisco 1904? > > > Margie, > > The newspaper article says George P. [Patterson] Lowrie, a well-to-do fruit > grower residing near Niles, was married in San Francisco last Saturday to > Miss Georgie Black, niece of Martin Carter, the Newark car builder, whose > home is at Irvington. > Martin Carter may have maintained a home in San Francisco also.  If he did, > I have no idea where in San Francisco.  I doubt the Archdiocese of San > Francisco will look for a record unless I can say in what church they may > have been married.  I don't know how may Catholic churces there were in San > Francisco in 1904.  I am sure there were quite a few. > > Nancy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Margie" <twigsnbranches@earthlink.net> > To: <norcal@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 11:45 AM > Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Catholic churches in San Francisco 1904? > > >> Nancy: >> >> The usual answer given to those searching for records San Francisco Bay >> Area pre-1906 Earthquake and fire is to say they were destroyed.  While >> many records were destroyed of course, others were not destroyed and with >> some dedicated digging they MIGHT be found.  It would depend upon where >> the record was at the time of the fire especially and whether the record >> might have been somewhere safe.  It is difficult for us to help you >> without a bit more information such as knowing the names you are >> searching. >> >> I mention this 'not all records were destroyed' since my family was in San >> Francisco and the East Bay (Oakland) since the 1850s and I found original >> orphanage records in San Francisco from 1862 - it took a lot of digging by >> myself to find the place where the record might be kept and a very >> dedicated volunteer helped me as I no longer lived in SF.  Without a name >> to begin, we are less able to help you. >> >> First off, I am assuming (a nasty word in genealogy - sorry) that you have >> gone through the www.sfgenealogy.com site?  Lots of good information >> there. >> >> You do give us some clues to follow - so I have some questions..... >> >> You mentioned you have a newspaper article - is this a 'notice of their >> marriage' or an article?  Articles would usually give more details and IF >> they were married in a church (not all were) that would be mentioned. >> >> Where was this newspaper article published?  Do you have the name of the >> newspaper?  In which city/town was it published?  The San Francisco Call >> Bulletin - Morning and Evening editions are often found in some online >> databases such as genealogybank.com, Library of Congress online and the >> wonderful index for these papers by Jim Falkinbury - this site >> http://www.jwfgenresearch.com/SFCallIndex.htm says 'up to 1900' yet I >> found some of my family into the early 1900s.  Try it with both names. >> >> Also, you say they didn't follow the Catholic religion and yet you say you >> "don't expect to find a civil record of their marriage." That clue might >> mean they chose a non-church wedding to me. >> >> A 'for instance' is my grandparents were living in San Francisco and I >> hunted and hunted for their marriage record before I found their marriage >> in San Jose in this same time period - they were married a month before >> the earthquake and fire.  True, I found it by accident since I was at the >> Santa Clara County court house doing research for my employer - and I >> 'just picked up' the book of marriages lying on the counter - this was >> before these books are guarded almost under lock and key 'because of >> identy theft' supposedly.  I never would have thought to look there if I >> hadn't been there in person.  These records are now online, but not then. >> >> Are you aware that marriage records are held at the County level as well >> as being sent to the State Archives - which could take up to a year to get >> the certificate. >> >> Since your grandparents siblings were baptized in Mission San Jose, that >> clue would be to search in the southern part of Alameda County since that >> is where the Mission is located. >> >> Don't give up you search when someone tells you that the record 'can't be >> found' that just means you need to have more 'digging power.' >> >> Margie >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Nancy <wright4766@bellsouth.net> >>> Sent: Jul 27, 2013 6:18 PM >>> To: norcal@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: [NORCAL] Catholic churches in San Francisco 1904? >>> >>> I have been looking for my grandparents marriage for at least 30 years. I >>> just found a newspaper article about it.  They were married on Jan 2, >>> 1904.  My grandfather lived in Centerville, Alameda County.  My >>> grandmother was in the 1900 census with her uncle in Washington Township, >>> Alameda County.  She was baptised in St. Mary's Catholic church in >>> Oakland.  3 My grandfathers 4 siblings were baptised in St. Joseph >>> Catholic church in Mission San Jose. >>> >>> My grandparents went to San Franciso to be married.  I have no idea what >>> church in San Francisco, if any.  They did not follow the Catholic >>> religion later and may not have been married in the church.  What are my >>> chances of finding a record of their marriage in the St. Francisco >>> Archdiocese Archives?  I don't expect to find a civil record of their >>> marriage. >>> >>> How in the world did people travel across the bay at that time.  They all >>> seemed to go to San Francisco so often.  Was there ferry service from >>> Alameda County? >>> >>> Nancy >>> >> >> >> ----------------------------------------- >> NORCAL ARCHIVES: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ >> Enter NORCAL.  Browse by month. >> Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. >> ----------------------------------------- >> To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to >> NORCAL@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL.  Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to NORCAL@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL.  Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to NORCAL@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL.  Browse by month. 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Hello Folks, I haven't read all of these responses so I apologize if I missed this, but could Mr/Dr Carter be buried in a Catholic Cemetery? If SF or Alameda Counties have Catholic cemeteries their cem records should be at a diocese office someplace and a Catholic Church should at least be able to tell you where the diocese cemetery records can be located. Up here in Sacramento, it is at a place called St Mary's, yet the records contained their include the records from Sacramento's oldest Catholic Cem, St Joseph's.  marilyn in Sac ________________________________ From: Nancy <wright4766@bellsouth.net> To: Margie <twigsnbranches@earthlink.net>; norcal@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Catholic churches in San Francisco 1904? Margie, The newspaper article says George P. [Patterson] Lowrie, a well-to-do fruit grower residing near Niles, was married in San Francisco last Saturday to Miss Georgie Black, niece of Martin Carter, the Newark car builder, whose home is at Irvington. Martin Carter may have maintained a home in San Francisco also.  If he did, I have no idea where in San Francisco.  I doubt the Archdiocese of San Francisco will look for a record unless I can say in what church they may have been married.  I don't know how may Catholic churces there were in San Francisco in 1904.  I am sure there were quite a few. Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margie" <twigsnbranches@earthlink.net> To: <norcal@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Catholic churches in San Francisco 1904? > Nancy: > > The usual answer given to those searching for records San Francisco Bay > Area pre-1906 Earthquake and fire is to say they were destroyed.  While > many records were destroyed of course, others were not destroyed and with > some dedicated digging they MIGHT be found.  It would depend upon where > the record was at the time of the fire especially and whether the record > might have been somewhere safe.  It is difficult for us to help you > without a bit more information such as knowing the names you are > searching. > > I mention this 'not all records were destroyed' since my family was in San > Francisco and the East Bay (Oakland) since the 1850s and I found original > orphanage records in San Francisco from 1862 - it took a lot of digging by > myself to find the place where the record might be kept and a very > dedicated volunteer helped me as I no longer lived in SF.  Without a name > to begin, we are less able to help you. > > First off, I am assuming (a nasty word in genealogy - sorry) that you have > gone through the www.sfgenealogy.com site?  Lots of good information > there. > > You do give us some clues to follow - so I have some questions..... > > You mentioned you have a newspaper article - is this a 'notice of their > marriage' or an article?  Articles would usually give more details and IF > they were married in a church (not all were) that would be mentioned. > > Where was this newspaper article published?  Do you have the name of the > newspaper?  In which city/town was it published?  The San Francisco Call > Bulletin - Morning and Evening editions are often found in some online > databases such as genealogybank.com, Library of Congress online and the > wonderful index for these papers by Jim Falkinbury - this site > http://www.jwfgenresearch.com/SFCallIndex.htm says 'up to 1900' yet I > found some of my family into the early 1900s.  Try it with both names. > > Also, you say they didn't follow the Catholic religion and yet you say you > "don't expect to find a civil record of their marriage." That clue might > mean they chose a non-church wedding to me. > > A 'for instance' is my grandparents were living in San Francisco and I > hunted and hunted for their marriage record before I found their marriage > in San Jose in this same time period - they were married a month before > the earthquake and fire.  True, I found it by accident since I was at the > Santa Clara County court house doing research for my employer - and I > 'just picked up' the book of marriages lying on the counter - this was > before these books are guarded almost under lock and key 'because of > identy theft' supposedly.  I never would have thought to look there if I > hadn't been there in person.  These records are now online, but not then. > > Are you aware that marriage records are held at the County level as well > as being sent to the State Archives - which could take up to a year to get > the certificate. > > Since your grandparents siblings were baptized in Mission San Jose, that > clue would be to search in the southern part of Alameda County since that > is where the Mission is located. > > Don't give up you search when someone tells you that the record 'can't be > found' that just means you need to have more 'digging power.' > > Margie > > > > -----Original Message----- >>From: Nancy <wright4766@bellsouth.net> >>Sent: Jul 27, 2013 6:18 PM >>To: norcal@rootsweb.com >>Subject: [NORCAL] Catholic churches in San Francisco 1904? >> >>I have been looking for my grandparents marriage for at least 30 years. I >>just found a newspaper article about it.  They were married on Jan 2, >>1904.  My grandfather lived in Centerville, Alameda County.  My >>grandmother was in the 1900 census with her uncle in Washington Township, >>Alameda County.  She was baptised in St. Mary's Catholic church in >>Oakland.  3 My grandfathers 4 siblings were baptised in St. Joseph >>Catholic church in Mission San Jose. >> >>My grandparents went to San Franciso to be married.  I have no idea what >>church in San Francisco, if any.  They did not follow the Catholic >>religion later and may not have been married in the church.  What are my >>chances of finding a record of their marriage in the St. Francisco >>Archdiocese Archives?  I don't expect to find a civil record of their >>marriage. >> >>How in the world did people travel across the bay at that time.  They all >>seemed to go to San Francisco so often.  Was there ferry service from >>Alameda County? >> >>Nancy >> > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL.  Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to > NORCAL@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL.  Browse by month. 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The Biography of Martin G. Carter, M.D. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~npmelton/lacar8.htm [Martin and Thomas Carter constituted the firm of “Carter Brothers, Car Builders,” manufacturing in their plants at Folsom, Sausalito and Newark, California, practically all the railroad car equipment used in the west in the early days.] Continuing, according to this record, [He was born in Irvington, Alameda county, California, April 23, 1886,] . . . [Dr. Carter had remained at the place of his nativity until fourteen years of age and then in 1900 removed from Irvington to Santa Clara, where he resided for six years. He next lived in San Francisco from 1906 until 1910, then spent a year in San Leandro and since 1912 had made his home in Los Angeles.] So, at the time of the alleged marriage, in 1904, Martin G. Carter was in Santa Clara; he was single; your statement suggests he had a sister who married ____ Black; this record mentions relations which only includes three brothers; he was reared in the Catholic Church [apparently in Irvington, Alameda County, California, (1886-1900) as well as in Santa Clara, between 1900 to 1906.]  So, these two areas would be of interest to me, (as they were eventually prominent), as per Catholic record information related to an alleged sister who married _____ Black; their posterity, etc. Respectfully yours, Tom Tinney, Sr. ________________________________ From: Nancy <wright4766@bellsouth.net> To: Margie <twigsnbranches@earthlink.net>; norcal@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Catholic churches in San Francisco 1904? Margie, The newspaper article says George P. [Patterson] Lowrie, a well-to-do fruit grower residing near Niles, was married in San Francisco last Saturday to Miss Georgie Black, niece of Martin Carter, the Newark car builder, whose home is at Irvington. Martin Carter may have maintained a home in San Francisco also.  If he did, I have no idea where in San Francisco.  I doubt the Archdiocese of San Francisco will look for a record unless I can say in what church they may have been married.  I don't know how may Catholic churces there were in San Francisco in 1904.  I am sure there were quite a few. Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margie" <twigsnbranches@earthlink.net> To: <norcal@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Catholic churches in San Francisco 1904? > Nancy: > > The usual answer given to those searching for records San Francisco Bay > Area pre-1906 Earthquake and fire is to say they were destroyed.  While > many records were destroyed of course, others were not destroyed and with > some dedicated digging they MIGHT be found.  It would depend upon where > the record was at the time of the fire especially and whether the record > might have been somewhere safe.  It is difficult for us to help you > without a bit more information such as knowing the names you are > searching. > > I mention this 'not all records were destroyed' since my family was in San > Francisco and the East Bay (Oakland) since the 1850s and I found original > orphanage records in San Francisco from 1862 - it took a lot of digging by > myself to find the place where the record might be kept and a very > dedicated volunteer helped me as I no longer lived in SF.  Without a name > to begin, we are less able to help you. > > First off, I am assuming (a nasty word in genealogy - sorry) that you have > gone through the www.sfgenealogy.com site?  Lots of good information > there. > > You do give us some clues to follow - so I have some questions..... > > You mentioned you have a newspaper article - is this a 'notice of their > marriage' or an article?  Articles would usually give more details and IF > they were married in a church (not all were) that would be mentioned. > > Where was this newspaper article published?  Do you have the name of the > newspaper?  In which city/town was it published?  The San Francisco Call > Bulletin - Morning and Evening editions are often found in some online > databases such as genealogybank.com, Library of Congress online and the > wonderful index for these papers by Jim Falkinbury - this site > http://www.jwfgenresearch.com/SFCallIndex.htm says 'up to 1900' yet I > found some of my family into the early 1900s.  Try it with both names. > > Also, you say they didn't follow the Catholic religion and yet you say you > "don't expect to find a civil record of their marriage." That clue might > mean they chose a non-church wedding to me. > > A 'for instance' is my grandparents were living in San Francisco and I > hunted and hunted for their marriage record before I found their marriage > in San Jose in this same time period - they were married a month before > the earthquake and fire.  True, I found it by accident since I was at the > Santa Clara County court house doing research for my employer - and I > 'just picked up' the book of marriages lying on the counter - this was > before these books are guarded almost under lock and key 'because of > identy theft' supposedly.  I never would have thought to look there if I > hadn't been there in person.  These records are now online, but not then. > > Are you aware that marriage records are held at the County level as well > as being sent to the State Archives - which could take up to a year to get > the certificate. > > Since your grandparents siblings were baptized in Mission San Jose, that > clue would be to search in the southern part of Alameda County since that > is where the Mission is located. > > Don't give up you search when someone tells you that the record 'can't be > found' that just means you need to have more 'digging power.' > > Margie > > > > -----Original Message----- >>From: Nancy <wright4766@bellsouth.net> >>Sent: Jul 27, 2013 6:18 PM >>To: norcal@rootsweb.com >>Subject: [NORCAL] Catholic churches in San Francisco 1904? >> >>I have been looking for my grandparents marriage for at least 30 years. I >>just found a newspaper article about it.  They were married on Jan 2, >>1904.  My grandfather lived in Centerville, Alameda County.  My >>grandmother was in the 1900 census with her uncle in Washington Township, >>Alameda County.  She was baptised in St. Mary's Catholic church in >>Oakland.  3 My grandfathers 4 siblings were baptised in St. Joseph >>Catholic church in Mission San Jose. >> >>My grandparents went to San Franciso to be married.  I have no idea what >>church in San Francisco, if any.  They did not follow the Catholic >>religion later and may not have been married in the church.  What are my >>chances of finding a record of their marriage in the St. Francisco >>Archdiocese Archives?  I don't expect to find a civil record of their >>marriage. >> >>How in the world did people travel across the bay at that time.  They all >>seemed to go to San Francisco so often.  Was there ferry service from >>Alameda County? >> >>Nancy >> > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL.  Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to > NORCAL@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL.  Browse by month. 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Have you tried looking for the church records? On Jul 27, 2013, at 8:02 PM, Jan Davis wrote: > If they were married in San Francisco in 1904, chances are the records were destroyed in the quake and fire two years later. > Jan > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jul 27, 2013, at 6:18 PM, "Nancy" <wright4766@bellsouth.net> wrote: > >> I have been looking for my grandparents marriage for at least 30 years. I just found a newspaper article about it. They were married on Jan 2, 1904. My grandfather lived in Centerville, Alameda County. My grandmother was in the 1900 census with her uncle in Washington Township, Alameda County. She was baptised in St. Mary's Catholic church in Oakland. 3 My grandfathers 4 siblings were baptised in St. Joseph Catholic church in Mission San Jose. >> >> My grandparents went to San Franciso to be married. I have no idea what church in San Francisco, if any. They did not follow the Catholic religion later and may not have been married in the church. What are my chances of finding a record of their marriage in the St. Francisco Archdiocese Archives? I don't expect to find a civil record of their marriage. >> >> How in the world did people travel across the bay at that time. They all seemed to go to San Francisco so often. Was there ferry service from Alameda County? >> >> Nancy >> >> >> ----------------------------------------- >> NORCAL ARCHIVES: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ >> Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. >> Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. >> ----------------------------------------- >> To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to NORCAL@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to NORCAL@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message