RE: Howard's occupation in 1920 - I've already said he was listed as a veterinary "something." I've found a voter's registration in the time frame of 1918 thru 1920 for Howard M. Elder. He was living in Seal Beach, Orange County, California at the time & his occupation there is blacksmith. Sharon Kern Co. In a message dated 8/20/2013 1:24:57 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, loya@online.no writes: What is really Howard Elder's occupation at Trona, CA in 1920?

There was a good deal of mining in southern Ca as well. There is/was a newspaper called the Acton Rooster I believe in Los Angeles Co. that had a lot of mining news for about that time frame. marilyn ________________________________ From: Lars Oyane <loya@online.no> To: Margie <twigsnbranches@earthlink.net>; norcal@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 9:56 AM Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Howard Morton Elder, born FL 1876 - in California 1920 - what became of him? - CADI? Dear Sharon, RoseMary, Margie, Roland and other Listers! Thank you very much to all of you for additional comments on Howard Elder, his occupation, where he lived, on the life at Trona, CA etc.  It is interesting to me since I have NEVER been in California myself, and yet so many descendants of "my" Norwegian emigrant families have ended up there! l My guess is, as I have already said, that Howard Elder probably left CA shortly after 1920.  Maybe he went to mine in NV, NM or CO?  Too bad there aren't any good death indexes for any of these "mining" states... Well, let's hope he'll show up somewhere, sooner or later...! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Aug 21, 2013, at 3:15 PM, Margie wrote: > >  I normally don't get involved with some of these threads since I no longer >  live >  in  Northern California - but I just have to jump in here as a 'former >  Northern >  California native' who unfortunately now lives near Trona, California in >  Kern County - located in SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA. >  Have you asked the Library in Ridgecrest, CA about this question?  That >  would be the closest place where someone MIGHT know.  The California City >  library which is the town (calls itself a city - NOT) closest to Trona is >  very limited - believe me - I live >  here. >  This area of the Mojave desert (at 2500 foot elevation) had a lot of >  quarries and mining at one time (some, but not a lot, of gold, quartz, etc) >  and mostly these towns (I use that word lightly) are deserted and derelict >  places that time forgot.  Sorry to those few people who still claim Trona as >  their home - but there are probably only one hand full of families living >  there now, if that many. > > >  After that thunder and lightening storm we had come through >  here a couple of days ago, Trona may have been washed away.  That storm had >  huge lightening strikes VERY CLOSE to us - not mentioned in the media. >  There still is mining in the hills around here - for borax and for other >  stuff that gets hauled out going south on the few unmarked rail cars each >  evening.  Just south of me in the town of Mojave they are opening up one of >  the deserted gold mines - but how much they are finding?  They aren't >  saying. >  Margie >  ----- Original Message ----- >  From: "Lars Oyane" <[1]loya@online.no> >  To: <[2]norcal@rootsweb.com> >  Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 1:28 PM >  Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Howard Morton Elder,born FL 1876 - in California >  1920 - what became of him? - CADI? >  Dear Marilyn and other Listers! >  Thank you very much, Marilyn, for your latest message on the Elder-topic.  I >  still have trouble seeing a connection between this Elder family and the >  Elders in Sacramento, CA, but I have sent you off-line a copy of Ferdinand >  Elder's obituary from Tacoma, WA 1915 for you to study... >  My three original questions about Howard Elder still stand "open".  Maybe >  they are just impossible to solve... >>> * What is really Howard Elder's occupation at Trona, CA in 1920? >>> >>> * And, can Howard's death record be found in the CADI after 1920? >>> >>> * Or, does anyone have any suggestions what may have become of Howard >>> Elder after 1920?  After all he was only 43 years old at the time... >  Again, thanks a million for any suggestions! >  Very sincerely yours, >  Lars E. Oyane > > References > >  1. mailto:loya@online.no >  2. mailto:norcal@rootsweb.com > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL.  Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to NORCAL@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL.  Browse by month. Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to NORCAL@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lars, Yes, I agree that the Howard Elder on the CADI isn't yours. However, he was the only one listed. I tried to access the American Battle Monument Commision's website last night to see if your Howard died in the first world war. However, I kept getting an error message that the website is not loading properly. I tried with 3 different browsers, but still got the same message. The Howard Elder in the 1920 census says his parents are both from Switzerland. It made me wonder if he was the correct Howard. I just tried now and the abmc website came up finally!! No Howard Elder listed there. That doesn't mean he didn't die in that war, just that if he did, it wasn't on foreign soil. Sharon Kern Co. In a message dated 8/21/2013 10:59:26 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, loya@online.no writes: Dear Sharon and other Listers! Thank you very much, Sharon, for interesting messages in regard to Howard Elder. I doubt very much he be the one you found dead in Los Angeles, CA; neither the age nor the middle initial seem to "match". He must have moved from CA after 1920, but where..., only God knows...? I was so happy as this message showed up on my screen, and I tried at once to search the CADI 1905-2000 on ancestry.com, only to discover, it isn't there! So, apparently, I have to continue counting on assistance from you to look up people in the CADI for the period from 1905 thru 1939. Then it is a good thing, however, that FamilySearch has published (for free) so many great marriage licenses from the early 1900's, in particular from Los Angeles Co., CA! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Sorry Roland. She buys her boots in the boys department. Few men have feet that small. Even my feet haven't been that small since 6th grade. My cousin's son is with Cal Fire or whatever they are calling it now...I'm pretty sure he's an one of the California fires. EdrieAnne On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 2:10 PM, ROLAND ELLIOTT <rolandelliott2@wildblue.net > wrote: > Your sister is the one that took my boots? > > > On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 2:02 PM, EdrieAnne Broughton <edrieanne@gmail.com > >wrote: > > > Take care, Roland. I've been thinking of you since this latest fire got > > going. I recommend that you do like my sister, sleep with your boots on. > > EdrieAnne > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 1:20 PM, ROLAND ELLIOTT < > > rolandelliott2@wildblue.net > > > wrote: > > > > > I will get back to you[hopefully} with the Elder/Elliott/Blount/Magnus > > > connections right now I am in to change clothes and take boots off - > > -fire > > > very close and we have done this before in the 87 Complex fire-=I am > > being > > > attack from the air also. > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Margie <twigsnbranches@earthlink.net > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I normally don't get involved with some of these threads since I > no > > > > longer > > > > live > > > > in Northern California - but I just have to jump in here as a > > 'former > > > > Northern > > > > California native' who unfortunately now lives near Trona, > > California > > > in > > > > Kern County - located in SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA. > > > > Have you asked the Library in Ridgecrest, CA about this question? > > > That > > > > would be the closest place where someone MIGHT know. The > California > > > > City > > > > library which is the town (calls itself a city - NOT) closest to > > Trona > > > > is > > > > very limited - believe me - I live > > > > here. > > > > This area of the Mojave desert (at 2500 foot elevation) had a lot > of > > > > quarries and mining at one time (some, but not a lot, of gold, > > quartz, > > > > etc) > > > > and mostly these towns (I use that word lightly) are deserted and > > > > derelict > > > > places that time forgot. Sorry to those few people who still > claim > > > > Trona as > > > > their home - but there are probably only one hand full of families > > > > living > > > > there now, if that many. > > > > > > > > > > > > After that thunder and lightening storm we had come through > > > > here a couple of days ago, Trona may have been washed away. That > > > storm > > > > had > > > > huge lightening strikes VERY CLOSE to us - not mentioned in the > > media. > > > > There still is mining in the hills around here - for borax and for > > > other > > > > stuff that gets hauled out going south on the few unmarked rail > cars > > > > each > > > > evening. Just south of me in the town of Mojave they are opening > up > > > > one of > > > > the deserted gold mines - but how much they are finding? They > > aren't > > > > saying. > > > > Margie > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Lars Oyane" <[1]loya@online.no> > > > > To: <[2]norcal@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 1:28 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Howard Morton Elder,born FL 1876 - in > > California > > > > 1920 - what became of him? - CADI? > > > > Dear Marilyn and other Listers! > > > > Thank you very much, Marilyn, for your latest message on the > > > > Elder-topic. I > > > > still have trouble seeing a connection between this Elder family > and > > > the > > > > Elders in Sacramento, CA, but I have sent you off-line a copy of > > > > Ferdinand > > > > Elder's obituary from Tacoma, WA 1915 for you to study... > > > > My three original questions about Howard Elder still stand "open". > > > > Maybe > > > > they are just impossible to solve... > > > > >> * What is really Howard Elder's occupation at Trona, CA in > 1920? > > > > >> > > > > >> * And, can Howard's death record be found in the CADI after > 1920? > > > > >> > > > > >> * Or, does anyone have any suggestions what may have become of > > > Howard > > > > >> Elder after 1920? After all he was only 43 years old at the > > > time... > > > > Again, thanks a million for any suggestions! > > > > Very sincerely yours, > > > > Lars E. Oyane > > > > > > > > References > > > > > > > > 1. mailto:loya@online.no > > > > 2. mailto:norcal@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > > > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > > > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > > > > Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. > > > > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > > > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to > > > > NORCAL@rootsweb.com > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > > > Enter NORCAL. 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Your sister is the one that took my boots? On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 2:02 PM, EdrieAnne Broughton <edrieanne@gmail.com>wrote: > Take care, Roland. I've been thinking of you since this latest fire got > going. I recommend that you do like my sister, sleep with your boots on. > EdrieAnne > > > On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 1:20 PM, ROLAND ELLIOTT < > rolandelliott2@wildblue.net > > wrote: > > > I will get back to you[hopefully} with the Elder/Elliott/Blount/Magnus > > connections right now I am in to change clothes and take boots off - > -fire > > very close and we have done this before in the 87 Complex fire-=I am > being > > attack from the air also. > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Margie <twigsnbranches@earthlink.net > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > I normally don't get involved with some of these threads since I no > > > longer > > > live > > > in Northern California - but I just have to jump in here as a > 'former > > > Northern > > > California native' who unfortunately now lives near Trona, > California > > in > > > Kern County - located in SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA. > > > Have you asked the Library in Ridgecrest, CA about this question? > > That > > > would be the closest place where someone MIGHT know. The California > > > City > > > library which is the town (calls itself a city - NOT) closest to > Trona > > > is > > > very limited - believe me - I live > > > here. > > > This area of the Mojave desert (at 2500 foot elevation) had a lot of > > > quarries and mining at one time (some, but not a lot, of gold, > quartz, > > > etc) > > > and mostly these towns (I use that word lightly) are deserted and > > > derelict > > > places that time forgot. Sorry to those few people who still claim > > > Trona as > > > their home - but there are probably only one hand full of families > > > living > > > there now, if that many. > > > > > > > > > After that thunder and lightening storm we had come through > > > here a couple of days ago, Trona may have been washed away. That > > storm > > > had > > > huge lightening strikes VERY CLOSE to us - not mentioned in the > media. > > > There still is mining in the hills around here - for borax and for > > other > > > stuff that gets hauled out going south on the few unmarked rail cars > > > each > > > evening. Just south of me in the town of Mojave they are opening up > > > one of > > > the deserted gold mines - but how much they are finding? They > aren't > > > saying. > > > Margie > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Lars Oyane" <[1]loya@online.no> > > > To: <[2]norcal@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 1:28 PM > > > Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Howard Morton Elder,born FL 1876 - in > California > > > 1920 - what became of him? - CADI? > > > Dear Marilyn and other Listers! > > > Thank you very much, Marilyn, for your latest message on the > > > Elder-topic. I > > > still have trouble seeing a connection between this Elder family and > > the > > > Elders in Sacramento, CA, but I have sent you off-line a copy of > > > Ferdinand > > > Elder's obituary from Tacoma, WA 1915 for you to study... > > > My three original questions about Howard Elder still stand "open". > > > Maybe > > > they are just impossible to solve... > > > >> * What is really Howard Elder's occupation at Trona, CA in 1920? > > > >> > > > >> * And, can Howard's death record be found in the CADI after 1920? > > > >> > > > >> * Or, does anyone have any suggestions what may have become of > > Howard > > > >> Elder after 1920? After all he was only 43 years old at the > > time... > > > Again, thanks a million for any suggestions! > > > Very sincerely yours, > > > Lars E. Oyane > > > > > > References > > > > > > 1. mailto:loya@online.no > > > 2. mailto:norcal@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > > > Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. > > > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > > > ----------------------------------------- > > > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to > > > NORCAL@rootsweb.com > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > > Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. > > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > > ----------------------------------------- > > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to > > NORCAL@rootsweb.com > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to > NORCAL@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Take care, Roland. I've been thinking of you since this latest fire got going. I recommend that you do like my sister, sleep with your boots on. EdrieAnne On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 1:20 PM, ROLAND ELLIOTT <rolandelliott2@wildblue.net > wrote: > I will get back to you[hopefully} with the Elder/Elliott/Blount/Magnus > connections right now I am in to change clothes and take boots off - -fire > very close and we have done this before in the 87 Complex fire-=I am being > attack from the air also. > > > On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Margie <twigsnbranches@earthlink.net > >wrote: > > > > > I normally don't get involved with some of these threads since I no > > longer > > live > > in Northern California - but I just have to jump in here as a 'former > > Northern > > California native' who unfortunately now lives near Trona, California > in > > Kern County - located in SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA. > > Have you asked the Library in Ridgecrest, CA about this question? > That > > would be the closest place where someone MIGHT know. The California > > City > > library which is the town (calls itself a city - NOT) closest to Trona > > is > > very limited - believe me - I live > > here. > > This area of the Mojave desert (at 2500 foot elevation) had a lot of > > quarries and mining at one time (some, but not a lot, of gold, quartz, > > etc) > > and mostly these towns (I use that word lightly) are deserted and > > derelict > > places that time forgot. Sorry to those few people who still claim > > Trona as > > their home - but there are probably only one hand full of families > > living > > there now, if that many. > > > > > > After that thunder and lightening storm we had come through > > here a couple of days ago, Trona may have been washed away. That > storm > > had > > huge lightening strikes VERY CLOSE to us - not mentioned in the media. > > There still is mining in the hills around here - for borax and for > other > > stuff that gets hauled out going south on the few unmarked rail cars > > each > > evening. Just south of me in the town of Mojave they are opening up > > one of > > the deserted gold mines - but how much they are finding? They aren't > > saying. > > Margie > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lars Oyane" <[1]loya@online.no> > > To: <[2]norcal@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 1:28 PM > > Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Howard Morton Elder,born FL 1876 - in California > > 1920 - what became of him? - CADI? > > Dear Marilyn and other Listers! > > Thank you very much, Marilyn, for your latest message on the > > Elder-topic. I > > still have trouble seeing a connection between this Elder family and > the > > Elders in Sacramento, CA, but I have sent you off-line a copy of > > Ferdinand > > Elder's obituary from Tacoma, WA 1915 for you to study... > > My three original questions about Howard Elder still stand "open". > > Maybe > > they are just impossible to solve... > > >> * What is really Howard Elder's occupation at Trona, CA in 1920? > > >> > > >> * And, can Howard's death record be found in the CADI after 1920? > > >> > > >> * Or, does anyone have any suggestions what may have become of > Howard > > >> Elder after 1920? After all he was only 43 years old at the > time... > > Again, thanks a million for any suggestions! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > > > References > > > > 1. mailto:loya@online.no > > 2. mailto:norcal@rootsweb.com > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > > Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. > > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > > ----------------------------------------- > > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to > > NORCAL@rootsweb.com > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to > NORCAL@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I will get back to you[hopefully} with the Elder/Elliott/Blount/Magnus connections right now I am in to change clothes and take boots off - -fire very close and we have done this before in the 87 Complex fire-=I am being attack from the air also. On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Margie <twigsnbranches@earthlink.net>wrote: > > I normally don't get involved with some of these threads since I no > longer > live > in Northern California - but I just have to jump in here as a 'former > Northern > California native' who unfortunately now lives near Trona, California in > Kern County - located in SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA. > Have you asked the Library in Ridgecrest, CA about this question? That > would be the closest place where someone MIGHT know. The California > City > library which is the town (calls itself a city - NOT) closest to Trona > is > very limited - believe me - I live > here. > This area of the Mojave desert (at 2500 foot elevation) had a lot of > quarries and mining at one time (some, but not a lot, of gold, quartz, > etc) > and mostly these towns (I use that word lightly) are deserted and > derelict > places that time forgot. Sorry to those few people who still claim > Trona as > their home - but there are probably only one hand full of families > living > there now, if that many. > > > After that thunder and lightening storm we had come through > here a couple of days ago, Trona may have been washed away. That storm > had > huge lightening strikes VERY CLOSE to us - not mentioned in the media. > There still is mining in the hills around here - for borax and for other > stuff that gets hauled out going south on the few unmarked rail cars > each > evening. Just south of me in the town of Mojave they are opening up > one of > the deserted gold mines - but how much they are finding? They aren't > saying. > Margie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lars Oyane" <[1]loya@online.no> > To: <[2]norcal@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 1:28 PM > Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Howard Morton Elder,born FL 1876 - in California > 1920 - what became of him? - CADI? > Dear Marilyn and other Listers! > Thank you very much, Marilyn, for your latest message on the > Elder-topic. I > still have trouble seeing a connection between this Elder family and the > Elders in Sacramento, CA, but I have sent you off-line a copy of > Ferdinand > Elder's obituary from Tacoma, WA 1915 for you to study... > My three original questions about Howard Elder still stand "open". > Maybe > they are just impossible to solve... > >> * What is really Howard Elder's occupation at Trona, CA in 1920? > >> > >> * And, can Howard's death record be found in the CADI after 1920? > >> > >> * Or, does anyone have any suggestions what may have become of Howard > >> Elder after 1920? After all he was only 43 years old at the time... > Again, thanks a million for any suggestions! > Very sincerely yours, > Lars E. Oyane > > References > > 1. mailto:loya@online.no > 2. mailto:norcal@rootsweb.com > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to > NORCAL@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I normally don't get involved with some of these threads since I no longer live in Northern California - but I just have to jump in here as a 'former Northern California native' who unfortunately now lives near Trona, California in Kern County - located in SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA. Have you asked the Library in Ridgecrest, CA about this question? That would be the closest place where someone MIGHT know. The California City library which is the town (calls itself a city - NOT) closest to Trona is very limited - believe me - I live here. This area of the Mojave desert (at 2500 foot elevation) had a lot of quarries and mining at one time (some, but not a lot, of gold, quartz, etc) and mostly these towns (I use that word lightly) are deserted and derelict places that time forgot. Sorry to those few people who still claim Trona as their home - but there are probably only one hand full of families living there now, if that many. After that thunder and lightening storm we had come through here a couple of days ago, Trona may have been washed away. That storm had huge lightening strikes VERY CLOSE to us - not mentioned in the media. There still is mining in the hills around here - for borax and for other stuff that gets hauled out going south on the few unmarked rail cars each evening. Just south of me in the town of Mojave they are opening up one of the deserted gold mines - but how much they are finding? They aren't saying. Margie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lars Oyane" <[1]loya@online.no> To: <[2]norcal@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Howard Morton Elder,born FL 1876 - in California 1920 - what became of him? - CADI? Dear Marilyn and other Listers! Thank you very much, Marilyn, for your latest message on the Elder-topic. I still have trouble seeing a connection between this Elder family and the Elders in Sacramento, CA, but I have sent you off-line a copy of Ferdinand Elder's obituary from Tacoma, WA 1915 for you to study... My three original questions about Howard Elder still stand "open". Maybe they are just impossible to solve... >> * What is really Howard Elder's occupation at Trona, CA in 1920? >> >> * And, can Howard's death record be found in the CADI after 1920? >> >> * Or, does anyone have any suggestions what may have become of Howard >> Elder after 1920? After all he was only 43 years old at the time... Again, thanks a million for any suggestions! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane References 1. mailto:loya@online.no 2. mailto:norcal@rootsweb.com

Dear Sharon and other Listers! Thank you very much, Sharon, for interesting messages in regard to Howard Elder. I doubt very much he be the one you found dead in Los Angeles, CA; neither the age nor the middle initial seem to "match". He must have moved from CA after 1920, but where..., only God knows...? I was so happy as this message showed up on my screen, and I tried at once to search the CADI 1905-2000 on ancestry.com, only to discover, it isn't there! So, apparently, I have to continue counting on assistance from you to look up people in the CADI for the period from 1905 thru 1939. Then it is a good thing, however, that FamilySearch has published (for free) so many great marriage licenses from the early 1900's, in particular from Los Angeles Co., CA! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Aug 21, 2013, at 12:16 AM, DULCICH6@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 8/20/2013 9:21:11 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > theschoolbell@yahoo.com writes: > > the CADI now is available up til 1940. > > The CADI goes from 1905 - 2000. > > Sharon > Kern Co. > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to NORCAL@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Just a tip. Do not assume that the middle initial or age on the website are correctly transcribed online unless you have ordered a copy of the record. For a long time I assumed the same thing about a distant grandmother. It said that granny was 63 instead of 89 and her middle initial was O instead of B, and the last name was also "off". A few years later when I broke down and ordered a copy, (my parents had attended her funeral so I knew exactly where she died and was buried) the handwriting on it was atrocious, but her parents names (not listed on line) as well as her birthday etc, were correct, as well as the name of her grandchild that signed the record. They were just misread during transcription. This is also the case with census, it evidently didn't matter in some locations how lousy your handwriting or spelling was, you could take down census information if you were literate. Go figure. :-) Just thoughts. -----Original Message----- From: norcal-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:norcal-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lars Oyane Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 11:04 AM To: norcal@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Howard Morton Elder, born FL 1876 - in California 1920 - what be... Dear Sharon and other Listers! Thank you very much, Sharon, for interesting messages in regard to Howard Elder. I doubt very much he be the one you found dead in Los Angeles, CA; neither the age nor the middle initial seem to "match". He must have moved from CA after 1920, but where..., only God knows...? I was so happy as this message showed up on my screen, and I tried at once to search the CADI 1905-2000 on ancestry.com, only to discover, it isn't there! So, apparently, I have to continue counting on assistance from you to look up people in the CADI for the period from 1905 thru 1939. Then it is a good thing, however, that FamilySearch has published (for free) so many great marriage licenses from the early 1900's, in particular from Los Angeles Co., CA! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Aug 21, 2013, at 12:16 AM, DULCICH6@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 8/20/2013 9:21:11 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > theschoolbell@yahoo.com writes: > > the CADI now is available up til 1940. > > The CADI goes from 1905 - 2000. > > Sharon > Kern Co. > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to > NORCAL@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to NORCAL@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

CADI = CAlif. Death Index. VitalSearch is a company that has put the entire CA Death Index online. 1905 - 2000. VitalSearch is a paid member website. The CA Death Index from 1940 - 1997 is also available on Rootsweb for free. Sharon Kern Co. In a message dated 8/20/2013 10:25:37 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, efern@pacbell.net writes: Is it the CADI or Vital Search that goes from 1905 - 2000? As I understand those are two different sites. Elvina Tulare Co. ----- Original Message ----- From: <DULCICH6@aol.com> To: <theschoolbell@live.com>; <norcal@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 10:16 PM Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Howard Morton Elder,born FL 1876 - in California 1920 - what be... > > In a message dated 8/20/2013 9:21:11 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > theschoolbell@yahoo.com writes: > > the CADI now is available up til 1940. > > The CADI goes from 1905 - 2000. > > Sharon > Kern Co. > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to > NORCAL@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to NORCAL@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 8/20/2013 9:21:11 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, theschoolbell@yahoo.com writes: the CADI now is available up til 1940. The CADI goes from 1905 - 2000. Sharon Kern Co.

He was a veterinary (something???) at a potash works. Sharon Kern Co. In a message dated 8/20/2013 1:24:57 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, loya@online.no writes: What is really Howard Elder's occupation at Trona, CA in 1920?

>From the early CADI Elder, Howard L. age: 34 yrs County: 7- (Los Angeles) date of death: 4 Feb 1937 Sharon Kern Co. In a message dated 8/20/2013 1:24:57 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, loya@online.no writes: >> * And, can Howard's death record be found in the CADI after 1920?

Is it the CADI or Vital Search that goes from 1905 - 2000? As I understand those are two different sites. Elvina Tulare Co. ----- Original Message ----- From: <DULCICH6@aol.com> To: <theschoolbell@live.com>; <norcal@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 10:16 PM Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Howard Morton Elder,born FL 1876 - in California 1920 - what be... > > In a message dated 8/20/2013 9:21:11 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > theschoolbell@yahoo.com writes: > > the CADI now is available up til 1940. > > The CADI goes from 1905 - 2000. > > Sharon > Kern Co. > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to > NORCAL@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Good Evening Lars, It's late and I don't have much to add but I belive the CADI now is available up til 1940. marilyn ________________________________ From: Lars Oyane <loya@online.no> To: norcal@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 8:28 AM Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Howard Morton Elder, born FL 1876 - in California 1920 - what became of him? - CADI? Dear Marilyn and other Listers! Thank you very much, Marilyn, for your latest message on the Elder-topic.  I still have trouble seeing a connection between this Elder family and the Elders in Sacramento, CA, but I have sent you off-line a copy of Ferdinand Elder's obituary from Tacoma, WA 1915 for you to study... My three original questions about Howard Elder still stand "open".  Maybe they are just impossible to solve... >> * What is really Howard Elder's occupation at Trona, CA in 1920? >> >> * And, can Howard's death record be found in the CADI after 1920? >> >> * Or, does anyone have any suggestions what may have become of Howard Elder after 1920?  After all he was only 43 years old at the time... Again, thanks a million for any suggestions! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Aug 19, 2013, at 11:02 AM, Marilyn Demas wrote: > Good Morning, > Actually Lars, I was thinking that there may be a connection between the Elder you are seeking, Ferdinand, and the Elder's of So. Sacramento. In other words, could it be possible that Ferdinand came to Sacramento for a while? > > marilyn > > ________________________________ > From: Lars Oyane <loya@online.no> > To: norcal@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 8:20 AM > Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Howard Morton Elder,    born FL 1876 - in California 1920 - what became of him? - CADI? > > > Dear Marilyn, > > As far as I can see, Elder is a very unusual last name in Germany, and the same is true for Switzerland.  The 1850 US census does have a few German-born Elders, but the large majority of the foreign-born Elders in the 1850 census appear to be Irish.  I am sorry, I can't help you any further on that topic... > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > On Aug 18, 2013, at 10:55 AM, Marilyn Demas wrote: > >> Lars, >> May I ask if Elder is a common name in Germany? The reason I ask is that here in Sacramento we had a prominent family named El;ser also, not your Elder, they were in Sacramento in the 1870's, in fact we have an area of So. Sacramento called Elder Creek. I know, there are those of you who believe Elder Creek is named after the Elderberry but it was actually after the Elder family. >> marilyn >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Lars Oyane <loya@online.no> >> To: norcal@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 8:59 AM >> Subject: [NORCAL] Howard Morton Elder,    born FL 1876 - in California 1920 - what became of him? - CADI? >> >> >> Dear Listers, >> >> I wish to share with you today what may appear as a tragic family quarrel: >> >> Ferdinand Elder, a highly reputed lawyer, and his wife Caroline nee Emerson were married in MN in 1875, and following a short stay in Duval Co.,. FL they lived for many years in MN before moving to WA, ending up in Tacoma, WA.  Ferdinand Elder died in 1915, and by then his oldest son was apparently "dead" to his parents: >> >> Howard Morton ELDER was born in Duval Co., FL Sep. 1, 1876.  He grew up with his parents in MN and accompanied them in the late 1880's to WA.  However, some time in the early 1890's he appears to have left home to work on the railroad.  He married a 1st time in La Crosse, WI in 1897 to Clara Mathilda Nelson of Norwegian extraction.  They had one son, and then about 1902 they were divorced.  Shortly thereafter Howard remarried a Florence NN from MN and moved to Yuma, AZ where by 1910 he had become a saloon keeper (Dear Listers, >> >> I wish to share with you today what may appear as a tragic family quarrel: >> >> Ferdinand Elder, a highly reputed lawyer, and his wife Caroline nee Emerson were married in MN in 1875, and following a short stay in Duval Co.,. FL they lived for many years in MN before moving to WA, ending up in Tacoma, WA.  Ferdinand Elder died in 1915, and by then his oldest son was apparently "dead" to his parents: >> >> Howard Morton ELDER was born in Duval Co., FL Sep. 1, 1876.  He grew up with his parents in MN and accompanied them in the late 1880's to WA.  However, some time in the early 1890's he appears to have left home to work on the railroad.  He married a 1st time in La Crosse, WI in 1897 to Clara Mathilda Nelson of Norwegian extraction.  They had one son, and then about 1902 they were divorced.  Shortly thereafter Howard remarried Florence NN from MN, and they moved to Yuma, AZ where by 1910 Howard had become a saloon keeper (http://interactive.ancestry.com/7884/31111_4327231-00146/341155?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.com%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3d1910USCenIndex%26indiv%3dtry%26h%3d341155&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnRecord).  The WW1 draft record shows him residing in San Bernardino Co., CA, then married to Alma, but by 1920 he was widowed, a resident of Trona, San Bernardino Co., CA >> (http://interactive.ancestry.com/6061/4293834-00600/81931585?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancest! >> ry.com%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3d1920usfedcen%26h%3d81931585%26indiv%3dtry%26o_vc%3dRecord%253aOtherRecord%26rhSource%3d6482&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnRecord). >> >> That's the last I see of him!  Can you listers please hep this Norwegian relative of Howard's 1st wife Clara Nelson find out: >> >> * What is really Howard Elder's occupation at Trona, CA in 1920? >> >> * And, can Howard's death record be found in the CADI after 1920? >> >> * Or, does anyone have any suggestions what may have become of Howard Elder after 1920?  After all he was only 43 years old at the time... >> >> Thanks a million in advance for any assistance you can possible give me in this matter! >> >> Very sincerely yours, >> >> Lars E. Oyane >> Geilo, Norway/Bavaria, Germany ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL.  Browse by month. Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to NORCAL@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Marilyn and other Listers! Thank you very much, Marilyn, for your latest message on the Elder-topic. I still have trouble seeing a connection between this Elder family and the Elders in Sacramento, CA, but I have sent you off-line a copy of Ferdinand Elder's obituary from Tacoma, WA 1915 for you to study... My three original questions about Howard Elder still stand "open". Maybe they are just impossible to solve... >> * What is really Howard Elder's occupation at Trona, CA in 1920? >> >> * And, can Howard's death record be found in the CADI after 1920? >> >> * Or, does anyone have any suggestions what may have become of Howard Elder after 1920? After all he was only 43 years old at the time... Again, thanks a million for any suggestions! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Aug 19, 2013, at 11:02 AM, Marilyn Demas wrote: > Good Morning, > Actually Lars, I was thinking that there may be a connection between the Elder you are seeking, Ferdinand, and the Elder's of So. Sacramento. In other words, could it be possible that Ferdinand came to Sacramento for a while? > > marilyn > > ________________________________ > From: Lars Oyane <loya@online.no> > To: norcal@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 8:20 AM > Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Howard Morton Elder, born FL 1876 - in California 1920 - what became of him? - CADI? > > > Dear Marilyn, > > As far as I can see, Elder is a very unusual last name in Germany, and the same is true for Switzerland. The 1850 US census does have a few German-born Elders, but the large majority of the foreign-born Elders in the 1850 census appear to be Irish. I am sorry, I can't help you any further on that topic... > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > On Aug 18, 2013, at 10:55 AM, Marilyn Demas wrote: > >> Lars, >> May I ask if Elder is a common name in Germany? The reason I ask is that here in Sacramento we had a prominent family named El;ser also, not your Elder, they were in Sacramento in the 1870's, in fact we have an area of So. Sacramento called Elder Creek. I know, there are those of you who believe Elder Creek is named after the Elderberry but it was actually after the Elder family. >> marilyn >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Lars Oyane <loya@online.no> >> To: norcal@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 8:59 AM >> Subject: [NORCAL] Howard Morton Elder, born FL 1876 - in California 1920 - what became of him? - CADI? >> >> >> Dear Listers, >> >> I wish to share with you today what may appear as a tragic family quarrel: >> >> Ferdinand Elder, a highly reputed lawyer, and his wife Caroline nee Emerson were married in MN in 1875, and following a short stay in Duval Co.,. FL they lived for many years in MN before moving to WA, ending up in Tacoma, WA. Ferdinand Elder died in 1915, and by then his oldest son was apparently "dead" to his parents: >> >> Howard Morton ELDER was born in Duval Co., FL Sep. 1, 1876. He grew up with his parents in MN and accompanied them in the late 1880's to WA. However, some time in the early 1890's he appears to have left home to work on the railroad. He married a 1st time in La Crosse, WI in 1897 to Clara Mathilda Nelson of Norwegian extraction. They had one son, and then about 1902 they were divorced. Shortly thereafter Howard remarried a Florence NN from MN and moved to Yuma, AZ where by 1910 he had become a saloon keeper (Dear Listers, >> >> I wish to share with you today what may appear as a tragic family quarrel: >> >> Ferdinand Elder, a highly reputed lawyer, and his wife Caroline nee Emerson were married in MN in 1875, and following a short stay in Duval Co.,. FL they lived for many years in MN before moving to WA, ending up in Tacoma, WA. Ferdinand Elder died in 1915, and by then his oldest son was apparently "dead" to his parents: >> >> Howard Morton ELDER was born in Duval Co., FL Sep. 1, 1876. He grew up with his parents in MN and accompanied them in the late 1880's to WA. However, some time in the early 1890's he appears to have left home to work on the railroad. He married a 1st time in La Crosse, WI in 1897 to Clara Mathilda Nelson of Norwegian extraction. They had one son, and then about 1902 they were divorced. Shortly thereafter Howard remarried Florence NN from MN, and they moved to Yuma, AZ where by 1910 Howard had become a saloon keeper (http://interactive.ancestry.com/7884/31111_4327231-00146/341155?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.com%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3d1910USCenIndex%26indiv%3dtry%26h%3d341155&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnRecord). The WW1 draft record shows him residing in San Bernardino Co., CA, then married to Alma, but by 1920 he was widowed, a resident of Trona, San Bernardino Co., CA >> (http://interactive.ancestry.com/6061/4293834-00600/81931585?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancest! >> ry.com%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3d1920usfedcen%26h%3d81931585%26indiv%3dtry%26o_vc%3dRecord%253aOtherRecord%26rhSource%3d6482&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnRecord). >> >> That's the last I see of him! Can you listers please hep this Norwegian relative of Howard's 1st wife Clara Nelson find out: >> >> * What is really Howard Elder's occupation at Trona, CA in 1920? >> >> * And, can Howard's death record be found in the CADI after 1920? >> >> * Or, does anyone have any suggestions what may have become of Howard Elder after 1920? After all he was only 43 years old at the time... >> >> Thanks a million in advance for any assistance you can possible give me in this matter! >> >> Very sincerely yours, >> >> Lars E. Oyane >> Geilo, Norway/Bavaria, Germany

Good Morning,  Actually Lars, I was thinking that there may be a connection between the Elder you are seeking, Ferdinand, and the Elder's of So. Sacramento. In other words, could it be possible that Ferdinand came to Sacramento for a while? marilyn ________________________________ From: Lars Oyane <loya@online.no> To: norcal@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Howard Morton Elder, born FL 1876 - in California 1920 - what became of him? - CADI? Dear Marilyn, As far as I can see, Elder is a very unusual last name in Germany, and the same is true for Switzerland.  The 1850 US census does have a few German-born Elders, but the large majority of the foreign-born Elders in the 1850 census appear to be Irish.  I am sorry, I can't help you any further on that topic... Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Aug 18, 2013, at 10:55 AM, Marilyn Demas wrote: > Lars, > May I ask if Elder is a common name in Germany? The reason I ask is that here in Sacramento we had a prominent family named El;ser also, not your Elder, they were in Sacramento in the 1870's, in fact we have an area of So. Sacramento called Elder Creek. I know, there are those of you who believe Elder Creek is named after the Elderberry but it was actually after the Elder family. > marilyn > > > ________________________________ > From: Lars Oyane <loya@online.no> > To: norcal@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 8:59 AM > Subject: [NORCAL] Howard Morton Elder,    born FL 1876 - in California 1920 - what became of him? - CADI? > > > Dear Listers, > > I wish to share with you today what may appear as a tragic family quarrel: > > Ferdinand Elder, a highly reputed lawyer, and his wife Caroline nee Emerson were married in MN in 1875, and following a short stay in Duval Co.,. FL they lived for many years in MN before moving to WA, ending up in Tacoma, WA.  Ferdinand Elder died in 1915, and by then his oldest son was apparently "dead" to his parents: > > Howard Morton ELDER was born in Duval Co., FL Sep. 1, 1876.  He grew up with his parents in MN and accompanied them in the late 1880's to WA.  However, some time in the early 1890's he appears to have left home to work on the railroad.  He married a 1st time in La Crosse, WI in 1897 to Clara Mathilda Nelson of Norwegian extraction.  They had one son, and then about 1902 they were divorced.  Shortly thereafter Howard remarried a Florence NN from MN and moved to Yuma, AZ where by 1910 he had become a saloon keeper (Dear Listers, > > I wish to share with you today what may appear as a tragic family quarrel: > > Ferdinand Elder, a highly reputed lawyer, and his wife Caroline nee Emerson were married in MN in 1875, and following a short stay in Duval Co.,. FL they lived for many years in MN before moving to WA, ending up in Tacoma, WA.  Ferdinand Elder died in 1915, and by then his oldest son was apparently "dead" to his parents: > > Howard Morton ELDER was born in Duval Co., FL Sep. 1, 1876.  He grew up with his parents in MN and accompanied them in the late 1880's to WA.  However, some time in the early 1890's he appears to have left home to work on the railroad.  He married a 1st time in La Crosse, WI in 1897 to Clara Mathilda Nelson of Norwegian extraction.  They had one son, and then about 1902 they were divorced.  Shortly thereafter Howard remarried Florence NN from MN, and they moved to Yuma, AZ where by 1910 Howard had become a saloon keeper (http://interactive.ancestry.com/7884/31111_4327231-00146/341155?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.com%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3d1910USCenIndex%26indiv%3dtry%26h%3d341155&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnRecord).  The WW1 draft record shows him residing in San Bernardino Co., CA, then married to Alma, but by 1920 he was widowed, a resident of Trona, San Bernardino Co., CA > (http://interactive.ancestry.com/6061/4293834-00600/81931585?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancest! > ry.com%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3d1920usfedcen%26h%3d81931585%26indiv%3dtry%26o_vc%3dRecord%253aOtherRecord%26rhSource%3d6482&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnRecord). > > That's the last I see of him!  Can you listers please hep this Norwegian relative of Howard's 1st wife Clara Nelson find out: > > * What is really Howard Elder's occupation at Trona, CA in 1920? > > * And, can Howard's death record be found in the CADI after 1920? > > * Or, does anyone have any suggestions what may have become of Howard Elder after 1920?  After all he was only 43 years old at the time... > > Thanks a million in advance for any assistance you can possible give me in this matter! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. 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Dear Marilyn, As far as I can see, Elder is a very unusual last name in Germany, and the same is true for Switzerland. The 1850 US census does have a few German-born Elders, but the large majority of the foreign-born Elders in the 1850 census appear to be Irish. I am sorry, I can't help you any further on that topic... Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Aug 18, 2013, at 10:55 AM, Marilyn Demas wrote: > Lars, > May I ask if Elder is a common name in Germany? The reason I ask is that here in Sacramento we had a prominent family named El;ser also, not your Elder, they were in Sacramento in the 1870's, in fact we have an area of So. Sacramento called Elder Creek. I know, there are those of you who believe Elder Creek is named after the Elderberry but it was actually after the Elder family. > marilyn > > > ________________________________ > From: Lars Oyane <loya@online.no> > To: norcal@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 8:59 AM > Subject: [NORCAL] Howard Morton Elder, born FL 1876 - in California 1920 - what became of him? - CADI? > > > Dear Listers, > > I wish to share with you today what may appear as a tragic family quarrel: > > Ferdinand Elder, a highly reputed lawyer, and his wife Caroline nee Emerson were married in MN in 1875, and following a short stay in Duval Co.,. FL they lived for many years in MN before moving to WA, ending up in Tacoma, WA. Ferdinand Elder died in 1915, and by then his oldest son was apparently "dead" to his parents: > > Howard Morton ELDER was born in Duval Co., FL Sep. 1, 1876. He grew up with his parents in MN and accompanied them in the late 1880's to WA. However, some time in the early 1890's he appears to have left home to work on the railroad. He married a 1st time in La Crosse, WI in 1897 to Clara Mathilda Nelson of Norwegian extraction. They had one son, and then about 1902 they were divorced. Shortly thereafter Howard remarried a Florence NN from MN and moved to Yuma, AZ where by 1910 he had become a saloon keeper (Dear Listers, > > I wish to share with you today what may appear as a tragic family quarrel: > > Ferdinand Elder, a highly reputed lawyer, and his wife Caroline nee Emerson were married in MN in 1875, and following a short stay in Duval Co.,. FL they lived for many years in MN before moving to WA, ending up in Tacoma, WA. Ferdinand Elder died in 1915, and by then his oldest son was apparently "dead" to his parents: > > Howard Morton ELDER was born in Duval Co., FL Sep. 1, 1876. He grew up with his parents in MN and accompanied them in the late 1880's to WA. However, some time in the early 1890's he appears to have left home to work on the railroad. He married a 1st time in La Crosse, WI in 1897 to Clara Mathilda Nelson of Norwegian extraction. They had one son, and then about 1902 they were divorced. Shortly thereafter Howard remarried Florence NN from MN, and they moved to Yuma, AZ where by 1910 Howard had become a saloon keeper (http://interactive.ancestry.com/7884/31111_4327231-00146/341155?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.com%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3d1910USCenIndex%26indiv%3dtry%26h%3d341155&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnRecord). The WW1 draft record shows him residing in San Bernardino Co., CA, then married to Alma, but by 1920 he was widowed, a resident of Trona, San Bernardino Co., CA > (http://interactive.ancestry.com/6061/4293834-00600/81931585?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancest! > ry.com%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3d1920usfedcen%26h%3d81931585%26indiv%3dtry%26o_vc%3dRecord%253aOtherRecord%26rhSource%3d6482&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnRecord). > > That's the last I see of him! Can you listers please hep this Norwegian relative of Howard's 1st wife Clara Nelson find out: > > * What is really Howard Elder's occupation at Trona, CA in 1920? > > * And, can Howard's death record be found in the CADI after 1920? > > * Or, does anyone have any suggestions what may have become of Howard Elder after 1920? After all he was only 43 years old at the time... > > Thanks a million in advance for any assistance you can possible give me in this matter! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > Geilo, Norway/Bavaria, Germany

I have the following information on a WEGNER family and would love to make contact with anyone searching or knowing about this family. William Theodore P. Wegner born in Germany 1853 Died 1910 buried Merced Cemetery District, I.O.O.F. Section....married to Emma Battenburg also from Germany.  Emma's mother was Henrieta Doerr Battenburg second marriage to Robert MICHEL/MICHAEL, lived in San Francisco. William T. P. and Emma's sons were: Walter H. Wegner born about 1878 died May 5, 1913 (age 36) married to a Eula ? from Ohio.  Walter was in the Spanish American War Merced California Volunteers 6th, Company H.  1910 census has him and Eula living North West Merced, Merced, Calif.  He is also buried Merced Cemetery.  Do not know if this couple had children. William J.L. Wegner born Sept 10, 1882 died Dec 12, 1964 married to Olivia Kennedy Aug 20, 1917 San Joaquin, Cal.  Oliva was born 1884 and her parents were Wm Bower and N.M. Black.  Appears that she was previously married.  William is buried in Merced Cemetery near his father and brother.  Do not know if this couple had children. John H. Wegner born Dec 1, 1885 died April 20, 1973 in Los Angeles married to a Rose T. ?  They had one known son, J. Francis Wegner born 1915.  1940 census has the family living Judicial Township 6, Mariposa Calif. In 1910 William J.L and John H were living in a boarding home at Township 16, Kern, Calif. In 1941 William applied for a headstone from the military for his brother Walter. Robert and Henrieta Michael had a son Fred Robert Michael and both Emma and Walter were living with them in 1880.  Fred and Walter were both born the same year....Fred would have been Walter's Uncle, a half brother to Emma. Would like to make contact with any living relatives to find out more on Robert and his son Fred. Thanks....Tom   ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CAMERCED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message