I don't remember how far "we" have tracked this man yet, but he is listed in the 1863-64 Sacramento City Directory Schwartz Geo. B., (Schwartz & Lehman,) 74 K St. George Schwartz and Charles Lehman were butchers. I don't have access to 1865 and I didn't see him in 1867. Betty

JimSMith, history Smith, Hey, just found out there were 3 Italian newspapers in San Fran. early 1860's-1900's, & by1918 they had pretty well slipped into obscurity... ~Linda~ My mittens warm my hands, Friends warm my heart. Willow Creek, CA.

Hi Bill, Thanks for the pictures. Did you happen to watch Mega disasters on History International? It was a two hour special about the City before, during, and after the earthquake. Raymond -------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Roddy" <billroddy@cox.net> Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 12:11 AM To: <NORCAL@rootsweb.com> Subject: [NORCAL] SF circa 1900 > The City that was. A Photo Show with music of San Francisco before the > earthquake. Runs 1:20. > On the bottom bar next to MAKE A PHOTO SHOW there is a small computer > screen. Click that and you will see the show in full size. > > > Bill > > > http://www.photoshow.com/watch/kS6RC6bI > > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to > NORCAL@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

No, that is a Premium Channel 325 on Cox and I do not subscribe. Bill -----Original Message----- From: norcal-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:norcal-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Raymond Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 4:17 PM To: norcal@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NORCAL] SF circa 1900 Hi Bill, Thanks for the pictures. Did you happen to watch Mega disasters on ? It was a two hour special about the City before, during, and after the earthquake. Raymond -------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Roddy" <billroddy@cox.net> Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 12:11 AM To: <NORCAL@rootsweb.com> Subject: [NORCAL] SF circa 1900 > The City that was. A Photo Show with music of San Francisco before the > earthquake. Runs 1:20. > On the bottom bar next to MAKE A PHOTO SHOW there is a small computer > screen. Click that and you will see the show in full size. > > > Bill > > > http://www.photoshow.com/watch/kS6RC6bI > > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to > NORCAL@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to NORCAL@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The City that was. A Photo Show with music of San Francisco before the earthquake. Runs 1:20. On the bottom bar next to MAKE A PHOTO SHOW there is a small computer screen. Click that and you will see the show in full size. Bill http://www.photoshow.com/watch/kS6RC6bI

this is even better _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mineral_King_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mineral_King) In a message dated 12/23/2009 8:54:39 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, cylgowdy@aol.com writes: _http://www.nps.gov/archive/seki/mkvc.htm_ (http://www.nps.gov/archive/seki/mkvc.htm) read all about it here In a message dated 12/23/2009 8:47:37 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, jgraham2@classicnet.net writes: Just a question......Years ago our family hunted deer and bear at a place called Mineral King (early 70's) .Any one know the history of the place? I know that you had to drive through a state park (either Sequoia or Kings Canyon) to get there.It took several hours to drive there from the Vally floor. I think Disney owned it at one time??? It was a beautiful place!!!............Jack Graham ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to NORCAL@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to NORCAL@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

_http://www.nps.gov/archive/seki/mkvc.htm_ (http://www.nps.gov/archive/seki/mkvc.htm) read all about it here In a message dated 12/23/2009 8:47:37 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, jgraham2@classicnet.net writes: Just a question......Years ago our family hunted deer and bear at a place called Mineral King (early 70's) .Any one know the history of the place? I know that you had to drive through a state park (either Sequoia or Kings Canyon) to get there.It took several hours to drive there from the Vally floor. I think Disney owned it at one time??? It was a beautiful place!!!............Jack Graham ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to NORCAL@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just a question......Years ago our family hunted deer and bear at a place called Mineral King (early 70's) .Any one know the history of the place? I know that you had to drive through a state park (either Sequoia or Kings Canyon) to get there.It took several hours to drive there from the Vally floor. I think Disney owned it at one time??? It was a beautiful place!!!............Jack Graham

Kern county,Kings Canyon ,have to go 25 out ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Graham" <jgraham2@classicnet.net> To: <norcal@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 8:46 AM Subject: [NORCAL] Mineral King Just a question......Years ago our family hunted deer and bear at a place called Mineral King (early 70's) .Any one know the history of the place? I know that you had to drive through a state park (either Sequoia or Kings Canyon) to get there.It took several hours to drive there from the Vally floor. I think Disney owned it at one time??? It was a beautiful place!!!............Jack Graham ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to NORCAL@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Found on Ancestry.com under Family Trees: Sentenced to be shot on 7 Jul 1899 but was granted a new trial. On 8 Oct 1901 he was sentenced to life imprisonment at the State Prison at Salt Lake,UT for murder of Captain BROWN of Ogden, UT. HOWEVER his mother pushed for a new trail and her son's sentence was reduced to second-degree murder and life imprisonment. Abe was ultimately released from prison in 1918, but continued to have brushes with the law. On 25 Oct 1920 from Los Angeles, CA he was received at Folsom again under number 11588 and discharged 16 Jan 1924 from there. Abe died in relative obscurity in 1957. The CADI lists a Major, Abraham Rockwell, born 4-2-1881 died 11-6-1957. ----- Original Message ----- From: RC To: norcal@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 5:10 PM Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Hanford, Kings Co., CA -- 5 March 1895 A little further history on Abe Majors and family: Abe Majors' father, Lloyd Majors, was the first person to be hanged in the Alameda County Jail on May23, 1884 for the murder of William P. Renowden of Los Gatos. After finding out about their father career and demise, Abe and his older brother turned from being honest youths to being responsible for many burglaries and blowing of safes in the Oakland, Berkeley and Alameda areas. His older brother, Archie, was shot and killed while being arrested in Odgen, Utah. During that arrest, Abe, shot and killed a Captain William Brown of the Ogden police department. Abe was orignally convicted and sentenced to death, but upon an appeal received a new trial. He was then convicted of 2nd degree murder, receiving a life sentence. He was parolled in the 1920's. He was arrested again in Los Angeles where his mother was living after marrying again. It was reported that the police were going to try and send him back to Utah to serve out the life sentence. It is unknown if this was done or as to what happened to him or when he died. RC ________________________________ From: Dee Sardoc <deesar@frontiernet.net> To: NORCAL@rootsweb.com; CAKINGS@rootsweb.com; CATULARE@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, December 17, 2009 11:43:16 AM Subject: [NORCAL] Hanford, Kings Co., CA -- 5 March 1895 Hanford Journal Hanford, Kings Co., California Tuesday, 5 MARCH 1895 *********************************** ABE MAJORS, a 16-year-old boy, was arrested at the Lucerne vineyard yesterday by Deputy Sheriff SMITH of Oakland. He and an older brother run away from home in Oakland and walked all the way down here. They are both industrious boys and did their work well at the vineyard. The boy arrested said he was trying to earn money to support his mother. Transcribed by Dee Sardoch To see more old newspapers, visit http://www.newspaperabstracts.com/ ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to NORCAL@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A little further history on Abe Majors and family: Abe Majors' father, Lloyd Majors, was the first person to be hanged in the Alameda County Jail on May23, 1884 for the murder of William P. Renowden of Los Gatos. After finding out about their father career and demise, Abe and his older brother turned from being honest youths to being responsible for many burglaries and blowing of safes in the Oakland, Berkeley and Alameda areas. His older brother, Archie, was shot and killed while being arrested in Odgen, Utah. During that arrest, Abe, shot and killed a Captain William Brown of the Ogden police department. Abe was orignally convicted and sentenced to death, but upon an appeal received a new trial. He was then convicted of 2nd degree murder, receiving a life sentence. He was parolled in the 1920's. He was arrested again in Los Angeles where his mother was living after marrying again. It was reported that the police were going to try and send him back to Utah to serve out the life sentence. It is unknown if this was done or as to what happened to him or when he died. RC ________________________________ From: Dee Sardoc <deesar@frontiernet.net> To: NORCAL@rootsweb.com; CAKINGS@rootsweb.com; CATULARE@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, December 17, 2009 11:43:16 AM Subject: [NORCAL] Hanford, Kings Co., CA -- 5 March 1895 Hanford Journal Hanford, Kings Co., California Tuesday, 5 MARCH 1895 *********************************** ABE MAJORS, a 16-year-old boy, was arrested at the Lucerne vineyard yesterday by Deputy Sheriff SMITH of Oakland. He and an older brother run away from home in Oakland and walked all the way down here. They are both industrious boys and did their work well at the vineyard. The boy arrested said he was trying to earn money to support his mother. Transcribed by Dee Sardoch To see more old newspapers, visit http://www.newspaperabstracts.com/

Hi Listers, Happy holidays to all. I am having a hard time finding naturalization records also, but am finding moderate sucess in useing the Great Forgin Born registar of the county for information. Hope that helps someone. ~Linda~ My mittens warm my hands, Friends warm my heart. Willow Creek, CA.

My paternal grandmother was born in 1877 at a local private hospital in Monterey County but her birth was never recorded at the county courthouse. In 1940, she went through the paperwork to get a delayed birth certificate because her son, my father, was about to be employed by the government doing classified work for the war effort. Getting an informational copy of a delayed birth certificate is the same procedural hassle and cost of a standard birth certificate, at least here in Monterey County. A delayed birth certificate will have the names of the parents, and usually the location of birth. If you're lucky, the certificate will also include the notarized names of the people who were either present at the time of birth, or could vouch for the birth. Often those folks were relatives of the person requesting the certificate. In 1872, the state legislature passed a bill requiring all births, marriages, and deaths to be recorded at the county level. Justices of the Peace, ministers, and priests were supposed to turn in the information about any marriages they performed on a monthly basis. Physicians and midwives were allowed to turn in information about births and deaths on a quarterly basis. However, state-wide compliance didn't occur until 1910. Shortly after the state law became effective, the publisher/editor of "The Salinas Weekly Index" wrote a lengthy and scathing editorial regarding lack of compliance. He wanted to include a listing of all births, marriages, and deaths within the county for the previous month. He went to the Recorder's Office at the county courthouse and discovered no one had submitted information about anything. He could not believe that not a single person had been born, got married, or died in the previous 30 days. For almost 40 years, many local newspapers had to rely on "gossip" for the items that appeared in their pages. It's really hit or miss for the late 19th century. If the persons involved were Catholic, there's a really good chance the diocese has a record. A word of caution regarding census records, almost as often as not, a person's name might be switched around, or only a nickname is used. Another pitfall to be aware of is that not everyone aged ten years between censuses. My great great grandmother only aged between 5-7 years during any ten year period. When my paternal grandmother got married, she subsequently knocked ten years off her age. Hope this helps, Anita C. Monterey County

My Maternal grandmother, lacking a birth certificate, filed an affidavit of birth in which her mother legally attested to her birth and date. She was able to join the WACS in WWII and get her Social Security using that affidavit. My father had no birth certificate and to get his social security, he too had an affidavit of birth in which is mother's sister testified to knowledge of his birth as first hand knowledge since they lived next to where dad lived. My mother's birth certificate listed her as "baby Girl', therefore, she too needed an affidavit of birth to join the WACs during WWII in which my great grandmother attested to her birth. Just before her death in the 90s, I completed the necessary paperwork and had her birth certificate to add her name. Sherrie In God we trust in America -----Original Message----- From: Margie Hinton <marhinton@earthlink.net> To: norcal@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, Dec 19, 2009 10:03 am Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Birth Certificates - Delayed birth certificates h yes, the 'delayed birth certificates' --- we did find one for a family ember of mine who wanted to 'prove' she was younger than she really was - o she filed for this in another county (Mendocino) claiming the court house n the county (Lake) of her birth had 'burned down.' She got away with it nd her new husband never knew the truth - though it was a shock to her randchildren to learn this a few years ago at our recent family reunion. ranny 'fibbed'??? YEP. She was born in 1897 and her 'new' birth ertificate says she was born in 1901 in order to get her age closer to her usbands who was born in 1907. Neat trick. She was also a twin who emained her original age. (Giggle) This took leg work on the part of nother cousin who found the birth record by accident while going through he Mendocino records in person. Neither of my parents (father born 1901 in Lake County and mother born 1909 n San Francisco) had a birth certificate yet they were able to collect ocial security checks. I still haven't learned how they 'proved' their xistence. Probably church records and marriage certificate? Have you asked for a volunteer to go to the SF Records office and take a ook at their computer? Depending on how busy they are when someone walks in --- it just might be ossible. Their pat answer is that everything was burned in the fire after he earthquake fo 1906 - I have records that disprove that and it does take ime and perseverence to find them. Try the archived newspapers and Jim Falkinbury's database and any other lace else possible. What else do you know about him where there would e/might be a public record? The census records are good clues. I found school records for my mother - she graduated from Lowell High School n 1928 (on SFgenealogy) and even some actual orphanage records (1860s) for y grandfather and his sister in SF, though not his birth in 1854 in Murphys amp. Margie Hinton in COLD Southern California with residual snow on the ehachapi Mountains - and blowing cold winds down the mountains (4,000 ft levation) onto the desert floor (about 2500 feet) ---- Original Message ----- rom: "Jeremy Nichols" <jeremy@cds1.net> o: <norcal@rootsweb.com> ent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 8:59 AM ubject: [NORCAL] Birth Certificates: NORCAL Digest, Vol 4, Issue 540 om, There are also "delayed birth certificates," especially for those who ived to collect some of the first Social Security checks. Such folks ad to prove their eligibility by documenting their age; such ocumentation, in the form of a "delayed birth certificate" would have een filed in the state and county in which the person was living when hey applied for Social Security. If Fredrick R. (Robert?) Michael ived into the late 1930s, he might have gone through that process. He ould have been 60 years old in 1938 and 65 years old in 1943 so that ould make him a prime candidate (assuming he was still alive). Jeremy norcal-request@rootsweb.com wrote: Looking for a birth certificate / notice for a Fredrick R. (Robert?) Michael born May 28, 1878 in California, San Francisco. Is it possible that such records exist? Thanks for your time.... Tom in sunny Canada.... brrrrrrrr ----------------------------------------- ORCAL ARCHIVES: ttp://archiver.rootsweb.com/ nter NORCAL. Browse by month. r click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ---------------------------------------- o post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to ORCAL@rootsweb.com ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Tom, You already seem to know when and where Fredrick was born. If you tell us what information you are looking for and where you found the information you already have, perhaps someone could suggest another source. Ken T. In a message dated 12/16/2009 1:56:57 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, tbrew@uwindsor.ca writes: Looking for a birth certificate / notice for a Fredrick R. (Robert?) Michael born May 28, 1878 in California, San Francisco. Is it possible that such records exist? Thanks for your time.... Tom in sunny Canada.... brrrrrrrr ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to NORCAL@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My grandmother was born in North Dakota in 1908. I was trying to get her birth certificate from ND a couple of years ago and was told there was 'no record found' for her birth but for a fee they would add her to their database. The fee was about $25.00 and I was willing to pay it...but when I talked to my grandmother (she died in 2006) she said "I know I'm here, you know I'm here. It's a waste of $25.00". Grandma got Social Security, taught school in California for years, had a drivers license...so many things we now wouldn't be able to get without the birth cert! Perrin > > My Maternal grandmother, lacking a birth certificate, filed an affidavit > of birth in which her mother legally attested to her birth and date. She > was able to join the WACS in WWII and get her Social Security using that > affidavit. > > My father had no birth certificate and to get his social security, he too > had an affidavit of birth in which is mother's sister testified to > knowledge of his birth as first hand knowledge since they lived next to > where dad lived. > > My mother's birth certificate listed her as "baby Girl', therefore, she > too needed an affidavit of birth to join the WACs during WWII in which my > great grandmother attested to her birth. Just before her death in the > 90s, I completed the necessary paperwork and had her birth certificate to > add her name. > > Sherrie > In God we trust in America > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Margie Hinton <marhinton@earthlink.net> > To: norcal@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sat, Dec 19, 2009 10:03 am > Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Birth Certificates - Delayed birth certificates > > > > h yes, the 'delayed birth certificates' --- we did find one for a family > ember of mine who wanted to 'prove' she was younger than she really was - > o she filed for this in another county (Mendocino) claiming the court > house > n the county (Lake) of her birth had 'burned down.' She got away with it > nd her new husband never knew the truth - though it was a shock to her > randchildren to learn this a few years ago at our recent family reunion. > ranny 'fibbed'??? YEP. She was born in 1897 and her 'new' birth > ertificate says she was born in 1901 in order to get her age closer to her > usbands who was born in 1907. Neat trick. She was also a twin who > emained her original age. (Giggle) This took leg work on the part of > nother cousin who found the birth record by accident while going through > he Mendocino records in person. > Neither of my parents (father born 1901 in Lake County and mother born > 1909 > n San Francisco) had a birth certificate yet they were able to collect > ocial security checks. I still haven't learned how they 'proved' their > xistence. Probably church records and marriage certificate? > Have you asked for a volunteer to go to the SF Records office and take a > ook at their computer? > Depending on how busy they are when someone walks in --- it just might be > ossible. Their pat answer is that everything was burned in the fire after > he earthquake fo 1906 - I have records that disprove that and it does take > ime and perseverence to find them. > Try the archived newspapers and Jim Falkinbury's database and any other > lace else possible. What else do you know about him where there would > e/might be a public record? The census records are good clues. > I found school records for my mother - she graduated from Lowell High > School > n 1928 (on SFgenealogy) and even some actual orphanage records (1860s) for > y grandfather and his sister in SF, though not his birth in 1854 in > Murphys > amp. > Margie Hinton in COLD Southern California with residual snow on the > ehachapi Mountains - and blowing cold winds down the mountains (4,000 ft > levation) onto the desert floor (about 2500 feet) > > > ---- Original Message ----- > rom: "Jeremy Nichols" <jeremy@cds1.net> > o: <norcal@rootsweb.com> > ent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 8:59 AM > ubject: [NORCAL] Birth Certificates: NORCAL Digest, Vol 4, Issue 540 > > om, > There are also "delayed birth certificates," especially for those who > ived to collect some of the first Social Security checks. Such folks > ad to prove their eligibility by documenting their age; such > ocumentation, in the form of a "delayed birth certificate" would have > een filed in the state and county in which the person was living when > hey applied for Social Security. If Fredrick R. (Robert?) Michael > ived into the late 1930s, he might have gone through that process. He > ould have been 60 years old in 1938 and 65 years old in 1943 so that > ould make him a prime candidate (assuming he was still alive). > Jeremy > norcal-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Looking for a birth certificate / notice for a Fredrick R. (Robert?) > Michael born May 28, 1878 in California, San Francisco. > > Is it possible that such records exist? > > Thanks for your time.... > > Tom in sunny Canada.... brrrrrrrr > > > > ----------------------------------------- > ORCAL ARCHIVES: > ttp://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > nter NORCAL. 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Margie- The census was used to prove many of these births for Social Security. Millie Starr   --- On Sat, 12/19/09, Margie Hinton <marhinton@earthlink.net> wrote: From: Margie Hinton <marhinton@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Birth Certificates - Delayed birth certificates To: norcal@rootsweb.com Date: Saturday, December 19, 2009, 10:03 AM Ah yes, the 'delayed birth certificates' ---  we did find one for a family member of mine who wanted to 'prove' she was younger than she really was - so she filed for this in another county (Mendocino) claiming the court house in the county (Lake) of her birth had 'burned down.'  She got away with it and her new husband never knew the truth - though it was a shock to her grandchildren to learn this a few years ago at our recent family reunion. Granny 'fibbed'???   YEP.  She was born in 1897 and her 'new' birth certificate says she was born in 1901 in order to get her age closer to her husbands who was born in 1907.  Neat trick.  She was also a twin who remained her original age. (Giggle)  This took leg work on the part of another cousin who found the birth record by accident while going through the Mendocino records in person. Neither of my parents (father born 1901 in Lake County and mother born 1909 in San Francisco) had a birth certificate yet they were able to collect social security checks.  I still haven't learned how they 'proved' their existence.  Probably church records and marriage certificate? Have you asked for a volunteer to go to the SF Records office and take a look at their computer? Depending on how busy they are when someone walks in --- it just might be possible.  Their pat answer is that everything was burned in the fire after the earthquake fo 1906 - I have records that disprove that and it does take time and perseverence to find them. Try the archived newspapers and Jim Falkinbury's database and any other place else possible.  What else do you know about him where there would be/might be a public record?  The census records are good clues. I found school records for my mother - she graduated from Lowell High School in 1928 (on SFgenealogy) and even some actual orphanage records (1860s) for my grandfather and his sister in SF, though not his birth in 1854 in Murphys Camp. Margie Hinton in COLD Southern California with residual snow on the Tehachapi Mountains - and blowing cold winds down the mountains (4,000 ft elevation) onto the desert floor (about 2500 feet) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy Nichols" <jeremy@cds1.net> To: <norcal@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 8:59 AM Subject: [NORCAL] Birth Certificates: NORCAL Digest, Vol 4, Issue 540 Tom, There are also "delayed birth certificates," especially for those who lived to collect some of the first Social Security checks. Such folks had to prove their eligibility by documenting their age; such documentation, in the form of a "delayed birth certificate" would have been filed in the state and county in which the person was living when they applied for Social Security. If  Fredrick R. (Robert?) Michael lived into the late 1930s, he might have gone through that process. He would have been 60 years old in 1938 and 65 years old in 1943 so that would make him a prime candidate (assuming he was still alive). Jeremy norcal-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Looking for a birth certificate / notice for a Fredrick R. (Robert?) > Michael born May 28, 1878 in California, San Francisco. > > Is it possible that such records exist? > > Thanks for your time.... > > Tom in sunny Canada.... brrrrrrrr > ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL.  Browse by month. Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to NORCAL@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ah yes, the 'delayed birth certificates' --- we did find one for a family member of mine who wanted to 'prove' she was younger than she really was - so she filed for this in another county (Mendocino) claiming the court house in the county (Lake) of her birth had 'burned down.' She got away with it and her new husband never knew the truth - though it was a shock to her grandchildren to learn this a few years ago at our recent family reunion. Granny 'fibbed'??? YEP. She was born in 1897 and her 'new' birth certificate says she was born in 1901 in order to get her age closer to her husbands who was born in 1907. Neat trick. She was also a twin who remained her original age. (Giggle) This took leg work on the part of another cousin who found the birth record by accident while going through the Mendocino records in person. Neither of my parents (father born 1901 in Lake County and mother born 1909 in San Francisco) had a birth certificate yet they were able to collect social security checks. I still haven't learned how they 'proved' their existence. Probably church records and marriage certificate? Have you asked for a volunteer to go to the SF Records office and take a look at their computer? Depending on how busy they are when someone walks in --- it just might be possible. Their pat answer is that everything was burned in the fire after the earthquake fo 1906 - I have records that disprove that and it does take time and perseverence to find them. Try the archived newspapers and Jim Falkinbury's database and any other place else possible. What else do you know about him where there would be/might be a public record? The census records are good clues. I found school records for my mother - she graduated from Lowell High School in 1928 (on SFgenealogy) and even some actual orphanage records (1860s) for my grandfather and his sister in SF, though not his birth in 1854 in Murphys Camp. Margie Hinton in COLD Southern California with residual snow on the Tehachapi Mountains - and blowing cold winds down the mountains (4,000 ft elevation) onto the desert floor (about 2500 feet) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy Nichols" <jeremy@cds1.net> To: <norcal@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 8:59 AM Subject: [NORCAL] Birth Certificates: NORCAL Digest, Vol 4, Issue 540 Tom, There are also "delayed birth certificates," especially for those who lived to collect some of the first Social Security checks. Such folks had to prove their eligibility by documenting their age; such documentation, in the form of a "delayed birth certificate" would have been filed in the state and county in which the person was living when they applied for Social Security. If Fredrick R. (Robert?) Michael lived into the late 1930s, he might have gone through that process. He would have been 60 years old in 1938 and 65 years old in 1943 so that would make him a prime candidate (assuming he was still alive). Jeremy norcal-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Looking for a birth certificate / notice for a Fredrick R. (Robert?) > Michael born May 28, 1878 in California, San Francisco. > > Is it possible that such records exist? > > Thanks for your time.... > > Tom in sunny Canada.... brrrrrrrr >

Another possible sourch is the "Old Man's" Draft registration during WWI.    I did go into Ancestry and do not find your person, but I am not looking with your knowledge as to location where he would have been living in WWI, or any other names etc.  There are many in his age group in this source.   Good luck.   Millie  --- On Sat, 12/19/09, Jeremy Nichols <jeremy@cds1.net> wrote: From: Jeremy Nichols <jeremy@cds1.net> Subject: [NORCAL] Birth Certificates: NORCAL Digest, Vol 4, Issue 540 To: norcal@rootsweb.com Date: Saturday, December 19, 2009, 8:59 AM Tom, There are also "delayed birth certificates," especially for those who lived to collect some of the first Social Security checks. Such folks had to prove their eligibility by documenting their age; such documentation, in the form of a "delayed birth certificate" would have been filed in the state and county in which the person was living when they applied for Social Security. If  Fredrick R. (Robert?) Michael lived into the late 1930s, he might have gone through that process. He would have been 60 years old in 1938 and 65 years old in 1943 so that would make him a prime candidate (assuming he was still alive). Jeremy norcal-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Looking for a birth certificate / notice for a Fredrick R. (Robert?) > Michael born May 28, 1878 in California, San Francisco. > > Is it possible that such records exist? > > Thanks for your time.... > > Tom in sunny Canada.... brrrrrrrr >    ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL.  Browse by month. Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to NORCAL@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Tom, There are also "delayed birth certificates," especially for those who lived to collect some of the first Social Security checks. Such folks had to prove their eligibility by documenting their age; such documentation, in the form of a "delayed birth certificate" would have been filed in the state and county in which the person was living when they applied for Social Security. If Fredrick R. (Robert?) Michael lived into the late 1930s, he might have gone through that process. He would have been 60 years old in 1938 and 65 years old in 1943 so that would make him a prime candidate (assuming he was still alive). Jeremy norcal-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Looking for a birth certificate / notice for a Fredrick R. (Robert?) > Michael born May 28, 1878 in California, San Francisco. > > Is it possible that such records exist? > > Thanks for your time.... > > Tom in sunny Canada.... brrrrrrrr >