Linda - this from the 1880 census - 1880 United States Federal Census about John A. Kester Name: John A. Kester Home in 1880: Weaverville, Trinity, California Age: 40 Estimated birth year: abt 1840 Birthplace: Missouri Relation to Head of Household: Self (Head) Father's birthplace: Pennsylvania Mother's birthplace: Scotland Occupation: Hauling Wood Marital Status: Single Race: White Gender: Male Household Members: Name Age John A. Kester 40 John H. Day 35 James M. Moor 27 Source Citation: Year: 1880; Census Place: Weaverville, Trinity, California; Roll T9_85; Family History Film: 1254085; Page: 572.3000; Enumeration District: 151; Image: 0287. I will send more separately as I find it Linda Margie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Mock" <lindamock@webtv.net> To: <norcal@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Need Census help 1866? HI Listers, Could someone help us, a lady has asked for a "solid" death date for a ancestor of hers who lived in Trinity Co. or may have been born there. Here is the person of question: KESTER, John A. (aka:"Pony"). b: after 1838,< may have well been born in Vermont>. d: 04, January 1886, Hayfork,Trinity Country. As transcribed on his headstone. But a conflicting news article says the death date is 1866. Was shot by his brother on a placer claim in Hayfork, Trinity County. I need another way of confirming the date..somewhere we have a transcription error... Going to check the Great Register of Trinity Co. Any help would be appreciated. ~Linda~ Willow Creek, CA. ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to NORCAL@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2687 - Release Date: 02/14/10 07:35:00

Sorry that I added another item about Kester, the responses had not appeared on my computer. I try hot to duplicate.  Millie Starr --- On Sun, 2/14/10, toolelips@charter.net <toolelips@charter.net> wrote: From: toolelips@charter.net <toolelips@charter.net> Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Need Census help 1866? To: norcal@rootsweb.com Cc: "Linda Mock" <lindamock@webtv.net> Date: Sunday, February 14, 2010, 9:24 AM Hi Linda.  If he was in the 1870 and 1880 census then he would not have died in 1866 right?  That might help. Margaret ---- Linda Mock <lindamock@webtv.net> wrote: > HI Listers, > Could someone help us, a lady has asked for a "solid" death date for a > ancestor of hers who lived in Trinity Co. or may have been born there. > Here is the person of question: > KESTER, John A. (aka:"Pony"). > b: after 1838,< may have well been born in  Vermont>. > d: 04, January 1886, Hayfork,Trinity Country. As transcribed on his > headstone. > But a conflicting news article says the death date is 1866. Was shot by > his brother on a placer claim in Hayfork, Trinity County. I need another > way of confirming the date..somewhere we have a transcription error... > Going to check the Great Register of Trinity Co. > Any help would be appreciated. >  > >  ~Linda~      > Willow Creek, CA. > > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL.  Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to NORCAL@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL.  Browse by month. Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to NORCAL@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In the book "Pioneer Records of Trinity County, California: A Century of Facts, 1850-1950", I find this info, page 63 -   Kester, John A. Died Hay Fork Valley Jan. 4, 1886; native of Missouri, aged about 47 yr; aka "Pony Kester"; shot by brother Josephus Kester.   ( TJ Sat. Jan. 9, 1886)   Also listed is Mrs. Almira Kester if she is of interest, is she his mother???   Millie Starr --- On Sun, 2/14/10, toolelips@charter.net <toolelips@charter.net> wrote: From: toolelips@charter.net <toolelips@charter.net> Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Need Census help 1866? To: norcal@rootsweb.com Cc: "Linda Mock" <lindamock@webtv.net> Date: Sunday, February 14, 2010, 9:24 AM Hi Linda.  If he was in the 1870 and 1880 census then he would not have died in 1866 right?  That might help. Margaret ---- Linda Mock <lindamock@webtv.net> wrote: > HI Listers, > Could someone help us, a lady has asked for a "solid" death date for a > ancestor of hers who lived in Trinity Co. or may have been born there. > Here is the person of question: > KESTER, John A. (aka:"Pony"). > b: after 1838,< may have well been born in  Vermont>. > d: 04, January 1886, Hayfork,Trinity Country. As transcribed on his > headstone. > But a conflicting news article says the death date is 1866. Was shot by > his brother on a placer claim in Hayfork, Trinity County. I need another > way of confirming the date..somewhere we have a transcription error... > Going to check the Great Register of Trinity Co. > Any help would be appreciated. >  > >  ~Linda~      > Willow Creek, CA. > > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL.  Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to NORCAL@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL.  Browse by month. Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to NORCAL@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Linda. If he was in the 1870 and 1880 census then he would not have died in 1866 right? That might help. Margaret ---- Linda Mock <lindamock@webtv.net> wrote: > HI Listers, > Could someone help us, a lady has asked for a "solid" death date for a > ancestor of hers who lived in Trinity Co. or may have been born there. > Here is the person of question: > KESTER, John A. (aka:"Pony"). > b: after 1838,< may have well been born in Vermont>. > d: 04, January 1886, Hayfork,Trinity Country. As transcribed on his > headstone. > But a conflicting news article says the death date is 1866. Was shot by > his brother on a placer claim in Hayfork, Trinity County. I need another > way of confirming the date..somewhere we have a transcription error... > Going to check the Great Register of Trinity Co. > Any help would be appreciated. > > > ~Linda~ > Willow Creek, CA. > > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to NORCAL@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

that name id familiar in Shasta Co. http://myclouds.tripod.com/shasta/shastaco.html Janie At 08:51 AM 2/14/2010 -0800, you wrote: >Hi Listers, >Helpig another friend to find a family that of Italian Decent..living in >the MOCODC and or Shasta Co.'s of northern califronia. >All she has at this time is this: >GIUMELLI, Lorenzo. >b: 1880, Pontremolo, Northern Italy. >Emmigrated: 17, May 1905 (passenger list) >Ship of arrival: La GASCOGNE . >Port of departure: LaHARVE, France. >Port of Arrival: New York, New York. USA> > >I found ONE GIUMELLI name, that was a GIUMELLA, Charlotte E. b: 07 April >1920, Placerville Co. CA. > >My friends direct line is found in REDDING, Shasta Co. CA. > >Any help would be appreciated...off to hunt the GR of 1920's as a >starting point. > > ~Linda~ >Willow Creek, CA. > > > >----------------------------------------- >NORCAL ARCHIVES: >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ >Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. >Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. >----------------------------------------- >To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to >NORCAL@rootsweb.com >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2687 - Release Date: >02/14/10 07:35:00

Hi Listers, Helpig another friend to find a family that of Italian Decent..living in the MOCODC and or Shasta Co.'s of northern califronia. All she has at this time is this: GIUMELLI, Lorenzo. b: 1880, Pontremolo, Northern Italy. Emmigrated: 17, May 1905 (passenger list) Ship of arrival: La GASCOGNE . Port of departure: LaHARVE, France. Port of Arrival: New York, New York. USA> I found ONE GIUMELLI name, that was a GIUMELLA, Charlotte E. b: 07 April 1920, Placerville Co. CA. My friends direct line is found in REDDING, Shasta Co. CA. Any help would be appreciated...off to hunt the GR of 1920's as a starting point. ~Linda~ Willow Creek, CA.

HI Listers, Could someone help us, a lady has asked for a "solid" death date for a ancestor of hers who lived in Trinity Co. or may have been born there. Here is the person of question: KESTER, John A. (aka:"Pony"). b: after 1838,< may have well been born in Vermont>. d: 04, January 1886, Hayfork,Trinity Country. As transcribed on his headstone. But a conflicting news article says the death date is 1866. Was shot by his brother on a placer claim in Hayfork, Trinity County. I need another way of confirming the date..somewhere we have a transcription error... Going to check the Great Register of Trinity Co. Any help would be appreciated. ~Linda~ Willow Creek, CA.

Those divorce records are exactly perfect, Sherrie. I found today that her dh remarried in 1989, so I'm sure this is my lady. She was my age, I was born 1935, but her dh was born 1937 so I thought she might be a couple years younger than I am. I was hoping we might get remarriage name to find. Do you have any other ideas? 1 ----- Original Message ----- From: sherriesmail@netscape.net To: norcal@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 4:16:02 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Ramona Denson Smith I sent you the possible divorce records I found. You give a birthdate between 1935 and 1937. How accurate it that date? I found a marriage for a Ramona R Smith in October of 1981 in Tulare County but her birth was in 1940. I will keep looking. Do you need me to check the cemetery records here in Paradise? Sherrie In God we trust in America -----Original Message----- From: djsmith4927@comcast.net To: Norcal-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:29 pm Subject: [NORCAL] Ramona Denson Smith OK, fellow Norcalers, I need your help. I've looked under every single rock and ave found nothing, so am asking for your help. I'm looking for a Ramona (Rae) Denson Smith born in OR, (Klamoth Falls probably) bt 1935/37. She was still living in Paradise, CA in 1973. Sometime between then nd 1989 she divorced her dh, Robert Smith. She was mother to 2 boys, Robert Jr nd Ronnie. She attended Butte community college, Ororville in the early 1970's. ould someone have access to marriage records from 1973 thru 1989? Or any other deas? Thanks in advance. onna Smith ---------------------------------------- ORCAL ARCHIVES: ttp://archiver.rootsweb.com/ nter NORCAL. Browse by month. r click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ---------------------------------------- o post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to ORCAL@rootsweb.com ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to NORCAL@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Wow, that was fast, Sherrie, many many thanks. Are you able to see if she remarried? 1 ----- Original Message ----- From: sherriesmail@netscape.net To: norcal@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 3:52:41 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Ramona Denson Smith Dvorce records: Name: Ramona Smith Spouse Name: Robert F Location: Butte Date: 6 Feb 1981 Sherrie In God we trust in America -----Original Message----- From: djsmith4927@comcast.net To: Norcal-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:29 pm Subject: [NORCAL] Ramona Denson Smith OK, fellow Norcalers, I need your help. I've looked under every single rock and ave found nothing, so am asking for your help. I'm looking for a Ramona (Rae) Denson Smith born in OR, (Klamoth Falls probably) bt 1935/37. She was still living in Paradise, CA in 1973. Sometime between then nd 1989 she divorced her dh, Robert Smith. She was mother to 2 boys, Robert Jr nd Ronnie. She attended Butte community college, Ororville in the early 1970's. ould someone have access to marriage records from 1973 thru 1989? Or any other deas? Thanks in advance. onna Smith ---------------------------------------- ORCAL ARCHIVES: ttp://archiver.rootsweb.com/ nter NORCAL. Browse by month. r click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ---------------------------------------- o post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to ORCAL@rootsweb.com ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to NORCAL@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

PS. I meant if she remarried, so I'd be able to search that last name. 1 ----- Original Message ----- From: djsmith4927@comcast.net To: Norcal-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 2:29:02 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [NORCAL] Ramona Denson Smith OK, fellow Norcalers, I need your help. I've looked under every single rock and have found nothing, so am asking for your help. I'm looking for a Ramona (Rae) Denson Smith born in OR, (Klamoth Falls probably) abt 1935/37. She was still living in Paradise, CA in 1973. Sometime between then and 1989 she divorced her dh, Robert Smith. She was mother to 2 boys, Robert Jr and Ronnie. She attended Butte community college, Ororville in the early 1970's. Would someone have access to marriage records from 1973 thru 1989? Or any other ideas? Thanks in advance. donna Smith ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to NORCAL@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

OK, fellow Norcalers, I need your help. I've looked under every single rock and have found nothing, so am asking for your help. I'm looking for a Ramona (Rae) Denson Smith born in OR, (Klamoth Falls probably) abt 1935/37. She was still living in Paradise, CA in 1973. Sometime between then and 1989 she divorced her dh, Robert Smith. She was mother to 2 boys, Robert Jr and Ronnie. She attended Butte community college, Ororville in the early 1970's. Would someone have access to marriage records from 1973 thru 1989? Or any other ideas? Thanks in advance. donna Smith

I will check Nevada marriages also later this evening if no one else finds it before I get back home. Sherrie In God we trust in America -----Original Message----- From: djsmith4927@comcast.net To: norcal@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:40 pm Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Ramona Denson Smith Those divorce records are exactly perfect, Sherrie. I found today that hell also use their dh emarried in 1989, so I'm sure this is my lady. She was my age, I was born 1935, ut her dh was born 1937 so I thought she might be a couple years younger than I m. I was hoping we might get remarriage name to find. Do you have any other ideas? 1 ----- Original Message ----- rom: sherriesmail@netscape.net o: norcal@rootsweb.com ent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 4:16:02 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific ubject: Re: [NORCAL] Ramona Denson Smith I sent you the possible divorce records I found. You give a birthdate between 935 and 1937. How accurate it that date? I found a marriage for a Ramona R mith in October of 1981 in Tulare County but her birth was in 1940. I will keep ooking. Do you need me to check the cemetery records here in Paradise? herrie n God we trust in America -----Original Message----- rom: djsmith4927@comcast.net o: Norcal-L@rootsweb.com ent: Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:29 pm ubject: [NORCAL] Ramona Denson Smith OK, fellow Norcalers, I need your help. I've looked under every single rock and ve found nothing, so am asking for your help. 'm looking for a Ramona (Rae) Denson Smith born in OR, (Klamoth Falls probably) bt 1935/37. She was still living in Paradise, CA in 1973. Sometime between then d 1989 she divorced her dh, Robert Smith. She was mother to 2 boys, Robert Jr d Ronnie. She attended Butte community college, Ororville in the early 1970's. ould someone have access to marriage records from 1973 thru 1989? Or any other eas? hanks in advance. nna Smith --------------------------------------- RCAL ARCHIVES: tp://archiver.rootsweb.com/ ter NORCAL. Browse by month. click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. --------------------------------------- post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to RCAL@rootsweb.com ----------------------------- unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of e message ----------------------------------------- ORCAL ARCHIVES: ttp://archiver.rootsweb.com/ nter NORCAL. Browse by month. r click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ---------------------------------------- o post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to ORCAL@rootsweb.com ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ---------------------------------------- ORCAL ARCHIVES: ttp://archiver.rootsweb.com/ nter NORCAL. Browse by month. r click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ---------------------------------------- o post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to ORCAL@rootsweb.com ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

I sent you the possible divorce records I found. You give a birthdate between 1935 and 1937. How accurate it that date? I found a marriage for a Ramona R Smith in October of 1981 in Tulare County but her birth was in 1940. I will keep looking. Do you need me to check the cemetery records here in Paradise? Sherrie In God we trust in America -----Original Message----- From: djsmith4927@comcast.net To: Norcal-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:29 pm Subject: [NORCAL] Ramona Denson Smith OK, fellow Norcalers, I need your help. I've looked under every single rock and ave found nothing, so am asking for your help. I'm looking for a Ramona (Rae) Denson Smith born in OR, (Klamoth Falls probably) bt 1935/37. She was still living in Paradise, CA in 1973. Sometime between then nd 1989 she divorced her dh, Robert Smith. She was mother to 2 boys, Robert Jr nd Ronnie. She attended Butte community college, Ororville in the early 1970's. ould someone have access to marriage records from 1973 thru 1989? Or any other deas? Thanks in advance. onna Smith ---------------------------------------- ORCAL ARCHIVES: ttp://archiver.rootsweb.com/ nter NORCAL. Browse by month. r click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ---------------------------------------- o post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to ORCAL@rootsweb.com ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Dvorce records: Name: Ramona Smith Spouse Name: Robert F Location: Butte Date: 6 Feb 1981 Sherrie In God we trust in America -----Original Message----- From: djsmith4927@comcast.net To: Norcal-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, Feb 13, 2010 2:29 pm Subject: [NORCAL] Ramona Denson Smith OK, fellow Norcalers, I need your help. I've looked under every single rock and ave found nothing, so am asking for your help. I'm looking for a Ramona (Rae) Denson Smith born in OR, (Klamoth Falls probably) bt 1935/37. She was still living in Paradise, CA in 1973. Sometime between then nd 1989 she divorced her dh, Robert Smith. She was mother to 2 boys, Robert Jr nd Ronnie. She attended Butte community college, Ororville in the early 1970's. ould someone have access to marriage records from 1973 thru 1989? Or any other deas? Thanks in advance. onna Smith ---------------------------------------- ORCAL ARCHIVES: ttp://archiver.rootsweb.com/ nter NORCAL. Browse by month. r click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ---------------------------------------- o post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to ORCAL@rootsweb.com ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

>From the California Divorce Index: California Divorce Index, 1966-1984 Name:Ramona Smith Spouse Name:Robert F Location:Butte Date:6 Feb 1981 The CA Marriage Index only goes to 1985........ There were a handful of Ramona Smiths marrying after this date of divorce but none were born in the 1930's. I checked the Nevada marriage index, but nothing there either. Here's the URL to the Nevada index: http://www.ancestry.com/search/locality/dbpage.aspx?i=d&tp=2&p=31&cj=1&o_xid 0002475501&o_lid=0002475501&o_xt=2475501 Sharon Kern Co. ----------------------------- In a message dated 2/13/2010 2:29:34 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, djsmith4927@comcast.net writes: OK, fellow Norcalers, I need your help. I've looked under every single rock and have found nothing, so am asking for your help. I'm looking for a Ramona (Rae) Denson Smith born in OR, (Klamoth Falls probably) abt 1935/37. She was still living in Paradise, CA in 1973. Sometime between then and 1989 she divorced her dh, Robert Smith. She was mother to 2 boys, Robert Jr and Ronnie. She attended Butte community college, Ororville in the early 1970's. Would someone have access to marriage records from 1973 thru 1989? Or any other ideas? Thanks in advance. donna Smith

I found a death record for Ramona Snelson b. 9-9-1938 Oklahoma d. 6-28-1986 Shasta Co. Her mother's maiden name was Long - father's last name Denson. Also found her marriage to William E. Snelson in Nevada marriage records - date 8-15-1981. Jan

Hanford Journal Hanford, Kings Co., California Tuesday, 30 JULY 1895 *********************************** BIRTH -- HOWARD -- In San Francisco, July 26, 1895, to the wife of W.H. HOWARD, formerly of Hanford, a son. [from Local Paragraphs column] -- A 10-year-old boy named GLINE, who was out in search of work, was found dead last Wednesday evening on the Jen JAMES ranch on the West Side. No particulars have been obtained regarding the cause of his death, other than that he was found alone, dead. [from Local Paragraphs column] -- A rumor is current that Ceil BARBOUR, son of J.W. BARBOUR of this city, has died at the Fresno Hot Springs, where he went with his father. Intimate friends of the family here do not believe the report to be true. ------------------------------------------------------- THE DAVIDSON CASE -- A Great Deal of Legal Talent and Much Interest Manifested In It -- Just after the 'Journal' had gone to press last Tuesday afternoon, John E. DAVIDSON was arrested on a charge of assault with a deadly weapon with intent to kill and murder. Jean GAUDIN, whom he assaulted, swore to the complaint. The alleged assault was committed by DAVIDSON while arresting GAUDIN, the latter having been surrendered by one of his bondsmen. GAUDIN was badly cut in the back of the head by a pistol in the hands of DAVIDSON and has been nearly ever since in the county hospital. DAVIDSON has been out on bonds since his arrest, Porter MICKLE and W.S. CAMP being his bondsmen in the sum of $1000. GAUDIN is an opium fiend commonly known as "Rickety," and has been employed in C.C. SPINKS' saloon as cook, or waiter. He was charged with robbing Kirk CLARKE of $15 and on his trial the jury disagreed. The District Attorney appeared before Justice Randall and moved that the case against "Rickety" be dismissed, which was done. The preliminary examination of DAVIDSON was to be held at 9 o'clock yesterday forenoon, but was postponed until this forenoon, until Miss TALBOT could come down to report the case in short hand. There was a formidable array of legal talent in Justice Fassett's court when the preliminary examination came up this forenoon. District Attorney SHORT was assisted by attorneys Frank PRYOR and Rufus ABBOTT, while for the defence appeared Dixon L. PHILLIPS, R. IRWIN and Horace L. SMITH. Quite a number of witnesses have been examined and their examination concluded about 4 o'clock this afternoon, when Rufus ABBOTT made the opening argument for the prosecution and the case was postponed until tomorrow morning. The defence is that "Rickety" resisted DAVIDSON, who was legally appointed an officer to arrest him, and that he "Rickety" made a motion as if to draw a weapon and assault DAVIDSON. ------------------------------------------------------- JUDGE LYNCH ACTED -- A Fiend in Madera County Receives His Deserts From His Neighbors -- On Tuesday morning of last week a man named Victor ADAMS shot and killed his father-in-law, I.L. BAKER, a Justice of the Peace of O'Neill's, Madera county. They had had trouble in the little town over a colt, which resulted in BAKER being followed home by ADAMS and filled with shot from a gun in ADAMS' hands. The latter escaped to the brush and swore he would not be taken alive. Several weeks ago ADAMS had sent his wife's 6-year-old daughter, the issue of her former marriage, to herd some sheep. In the evening she returned, but the father would not let her have anything to eat or come into the house until she had brought back the sheep. She wandered out into the night. The next day the neighbors hunted for the little child and found her 10 miles from home in a pitiable condition. ADAMS had also maltreated his wife. But justice overtook this cold-blooded murderer much quicker than it usually overtakes the people of his stripe in this State. BAKER's brother organized a posse of citizens and succeeded in capturing the murder. While they were bringing ADAMS to O'Neill's, a body of men rode up, and covered the men with the prisoner with guns. They then gave ADAMS a few minutes to make peace with his maker, but he spent the time in pleading for mercy such as he never showed to his victims. In a short time he was swinging to a limb of a tree, where his body swayed for hours before the Coroner came out and cut him down. -------------------------------------------------------- STOLEN HORSES -- From Kings County -- Recovered at an Indian Reservation -- 3 Indians Were Implicated in the Crime, But They Could Not be Convicted, So Were Dismissed -- 3 native sons of the golden west languished behind the bars of the Kings County bastile last Wednesday. They were brought here from the Tule River reservation and in their persons exemplified the old saying that the best Indian is a dead Indian. They soon secured their release, but they did not clear themselves of a suspicion that they were the accomplices of horse thieves. Several weeks ago a gray mare belonging to J.T. BAKER was stolen from a pasture near this city. Mr. BAKER employed Constable BERNSTEIN and his deputy, Frank GRIFFITH, also Wm. DOUGHERTY, to hunt for the animal and the horse thief. They made a long trip to Hollister and Salinas on a wrong clue and returned here much disappointed. Soon after their return Constable BERNSTEIN got a very small clew -- simply that a Mexican had had a gray mare shod in Porterville. On Friday the trio set out for Porterville, going via Visalia, where Frank HAFLEY, a deputy under Sheriff Merritt of Tulare county, joined them. From there they proceeded to Porterville and then divided into 2 posses and went to the Indian reservation in the mountains, 24 miles east of Porterville, on Saturday. They searched all day Sunday in and about the reservation for Mr. BAKER's mare, but without success. On Monday, GRIFFITH got a clue that some Indians had horses hidden on the reservation, and he found 1 of the Indi ans ( Henry LAWRENCE) who had helped to hide the horses. GRIFFITH skillfully extorted a confession from him that he knew where the horses were, but LAWRENCE claimed that he had been hired by 2 other Indians to hide them. He showed the officers where 2 stolen horses were hidden. Frank RYAN and Chas. MAXWELL, other Indians, were then placed in irons, when they confessed where 3 more stolen horses were hidden. The 2 first horses recovered was a buckskin horse belonging to E.P. O'BRIEN of this city, and a gray mare for whom an owner has not yet been found. The other 3 were all mares -- J.T. BAKER's, Mrs. KIRKENDAHL's and Porter MICKLE's, all stolen from the vicinity of this city. They were hidden in crevices in the rocks and surrounded by brush, and a horseman could ride within a few feet of them and not see them. The Indians confessed that the horses had been hidden 2 days & nights, during the time the officers were hunting for them at the reservation. The animals were all in poor fle sh an d some were footsore. The BAKER mare had been branded by the thieves. The Indian RYAN claimed that he had traded a saddle horse and a riata to a Mexican for the BAKER mare. All 3 Indians and the stolen horses were then brought to Hanford, the horses were turned over to their owners and the persons charged with grand larceny. Mr. O'BRIEN's horse had been gone a year; the other have not been gone long. The Indians were in jail but 1 day, as there was not sufficient evidence to convict them of having stolen the horses, and they could not be held on any other charge here on account of their residence being in Tulare county, so the District Attorney, when the case came up for hearing, moved that they be dismissed, which was done. The recovery of these horses demonstrates that more or less stolen stock could be recovered to the owners if the latter would assist the officers financially in the search. The local officers' fees are so small under the fee bill passed by the last Legislature that they cannot afford to take chances of financial loss in the hunting for stolen stock and it looks as though the most feasible way of stopping the petty thieving now so prevalent in this and adjoining counties is for farmers and stock men to club together for mutual protection, and to assist officers, financially and otherwise, in the work of ferreting out the thieves. Constable BERNSTEIN has put a feather in his cap by his recent capture, but great credit is also due to his deputy, Frank GRIFFITH, who has an old established reputation as a criminal catcher and on the recovery of stolen stock. Evidently the horses were not stolen by Indians but by people of a lighter color. The Indians can be found at the reservation if wanted again and it is certainly to be hoped that the thieves who [some missing] Indian Jim, one of the Indian police from the reservation, came down to take back a horse stolen from the reservation some 4 weeks ago and which was found by officers in a pasture near this city. The arrested Indians returned home with him on Friday. ----------------------------------------------------- A HIDDEN FIRE -- It Causes a Heavy Loss on House Furnishings - Narrow Escape of a Hanford Dentist From Asphyxiation -- Losses and Insurance -- A fire which occurred in the residence of Dr. A.D. CAMERON in this city at 3 o'clock last Friday morning was one of the hardest for the firemen to locate of any which has occurred in this city. It is not known how the fire originated. Dr. A.D. CAMERON and family were away in Canada, and his brother, Dr. Charles CAMERON, was the only one occupying the house. A party of bachelor friends visited him the evening before, and there being a lunch to serve, a fire was built in the stove to heat water. The fire may have caught from the stove or from a lighted cigarette or cigar. The fire was between the walls of the house and it was some few minutes before the firemen could locate the fire and chop their way into it. The flames did not do a great deal of damage, but the heavy force of water through the Holly mains did great damage to the furniture of the house and to the plastering. Dr. Charles CAMERON had a narrow escape. He was sleeping upstairs and when awakened by the smoke he gave an alarm by firing off his pistol. The lower floor of the house was full of smoke and he did not dare venture going down the stairway of the house, so he tied a sheet to an article of furniture in this bedroom and slid down on it to the ground, where, owing to the effects of the smoke and his nervousness, he fainted away. Neighbors cared for him and he soon returned to consciousness. The furniture in the house was insured for $3200. It embraced some choice paintings by noted artists and the furniture was very nice. The house belongs to J.H. DOPKINS and is located next to his own residence, on the west. It was insured for $1500. The smoke from the fire blew down Douty and Harris Sts., and residents of the Hotel Hanford, Hecker block, the Ven Dome hotel and other buildings on 7th St. thought the smoke came from the buildings they occupied. The firemen ran down to 7th St. before they could locate the fire. Mr. DOPKINS states that he could probably have put out the fire with a few buckets of water, but, as usual, there was none in the public water mains, the tanks having been drained dry by parties using water during the night. The fact that for several hours every morning there is no water in the mains is a constant menace to the safety of this city, particularly to residents away from the business center, and either the city ordinance requiring patrons to cease using water between 8 a.m. and 6 p.m. should be enforced, or else Messrs. ROBINSON & RAWLINS should see to it that the tanks are never allowed to go dry. If the ordinance referred to is enforced, it should be amended so that patrons could use the water till 9 p.m., and there is little or no excuse for parties using water after that hour, now that there is, at all times, such a good pressure on the water in all parts of the city. Dr. A.D. CAMERON was telegraphed for and is now on his way home. ------------------------------------------------------- NEW PAINT SHOP -- Now Opened in Hanford -- Prepared to Do All Kinds of Work -- Hanford now has another 1st-class paint shop. M.A. FULLER, a recent arrival here from the East and an experienced man at the trade, has rented the upper story of the addition recently made to the Hanford Agricultural Works building, and when a 'Journal' reporter visited him 1 day last week Mr. FULLER was found busy, with an assistant, painting buggies. He is prepared to do all kinds of work in the line of painting, decorating, graining and paper hanging. He will take contracts, large or small, and we believe he will do as he says he will -- give the people good value, in labor and material, for the money paid him. W.R. GREENBURY, well known to our people as one of the best and most artistic sign writers that has ever been in Hanford, has been employed by Mr. FULLER and our people can be assured that they will at the new shop get 1st-class work in that, and no doubt all, lines. ------------------------------------------------------- CONSTABLE GEORGE BERTKIN and his deputy Charles MARTIN were in Hanford last Thursday. They were searching for Claude ARMSTRONG, the youthful desperado of Traver, who, when they attempted to arrest him, shot at them and escaped in the darkness. ARMSTRONG is only about 18 or 19 years of age. He is believed to be not far from Traver and make trips to his home in that town every few nights. R.J. KING was over from Traver on Friday and he said that a few days previously the youngest JOHNSON boy rode ARMSTRONG's horse by his house. The officers have both given up their jobs in that town and are devoting their entire time to hunting the young desperado, so they state, and will take him the next time, dead or alive, if they get the drop on him. The Constable says that 2 of the 3 bullets fired by ARMSTRONG came too close to him for comfort and he will take no chances with the young desperado. ------------------------------------------------------- LOCAL PARAGRAPHS -- -Henry COUSINS in his suit against his guardian, J.M. FOX, in the Superior Court at Visalia, was last week given judgment in the sum of $11,383.15. Henry is a son of Mrs. C.K. RAGAN, formerly of this city. -Geo. VOLLMER, who came up to visit his wife and see his new daughter, returned to Mojave last Sunday. -Dr. S.C. PAGE, son of Samuel PAGE of this city, has permanently located in Visalia and has his office with Dr. F.A. COOMBS. -John A. WILSON and family, Miss Georgie BROOKS, Will BROOKS and Clarence RUGGLES passed through Hanford this morning on their way to Pismo, on the coast. -A.P. BICKFORD, of Excelsior, who has been in the Opera House building, in care of a nurse and in charge of the Odd Fellows, is slowly improving. -Miss Florence STARR is at home after a year spent at the Normal School in Los Angeles. She has an engagement to teach in the southern part of the State, says the Tulare 'Register.' -Miss Irene TAYLOR, daughter of Mr.&Mrs. A.V. TAYLOR, went to Oakland last Saturday to attend school. Miss Clara KELLY, of Oakland, who has been visiting the family, also returned home. -C.B. HAMILTON, a former resident of Hanford, arrived here last week from Topeka, Kansas, on a short visit. -The charge of battery made against Elsie THOMAS by J. ESPEASSE, was dismissed by Justice Randall last week. -Mrs. HUBBELL, who has been visiting her sons in this city, left for her home in Wisconsin yesterday. CHARLES HUNTER, an opium fiend, who had been entering houses in this city where only women were at home and insolently demanding food, was arrested by Marshal McGINNIS last Friday and sentenced to 10 days in jail. A SURPRISE PARTY was given to Wm. MILLIGAN, near Mill Creek, on Monday night of last week, on the occasion of his 76th birthday. A large number of his neighbors gave the old gentleman a complete surprise. He intended to go to Tulare that day, but his daughter-in-law, Mrs. James MILLIGAN, put up a job on him and got all the rigs off the place so he could not go. He gave the guests a hearty welcome, however, and a most enjoyable evening was spent, winding up with a nice supper and a dance. BEECHER CHURCH, the 12-year-old son of Capt. CHURCH, of Lakeside, had his left arm broken just above the wrist last Friday. He tripped on the shafts of a cart and lit on a scantling with his hands. Dr. DUNCAN was called and put the arm in splints and Beecher is getting along nicely. THE TERMS which Fred EDMONDS and James CROSS were serving in the County jail expired last Saturday. They packed their clothes with the expectation of leaving and were disagreeably surprised when they were taken before Justice Randall and each given 100 days more in limbo for the escape they made from the jail a week previous. They have learned that is pays to behave one's self and obey the law, even if a fellow is already in jail. ARTHUR ROE, who was employed by Frank SHARPLES in doing laborers works on the new county hospital at Visalia, was overcome by the heat on Monday of last week and was placed in care of a physician. He seemed to lose his reason for a time. He was brought back to his home in Hanford and is now able to be about the streets. AL SHIELDS, of Cross Creek, we hear, watched last night for a coyote who had been stealing chickens from the farm. During the still hours of the night he saw something move and blazed away with the result that one of his father's cows is now carrying 7 buckshot. PROF. W.S. CRANMER was in town the latter part of last week for a short visit with his sister, Mrs. N.P. DUNCAN. He has been fortunate in securing the principalship of the Benicia High School and Grammar schools combined -- one of the leading educational positions in the State. ------------------------------------------------------- GRANGEVILLE -- -Mr. Eben SANBORN is on the sick list. -Miss Grace HOOVER, who has been suffering from brain fever, is about the same. -Marcus POWELL came over from the West Side Wednesday. He reports crops much heavier than usual. His brother Will is not much improved in health. Transcribed by Dee Sardoch To see more old newspapers, visit http://www.newspaperabstracts.com/

Kathy, John Henry HAUB (I have also seen this name misspelled HOBB) was the fifth child and second son of Frederick H. HAUB and Sarah Margaret OWENS. He married Winifred Lenore LONG (1894-1968) and they had two children, Velma and John, Jr. There are HAUBs in the area to this date but I am not sure that they are descended; the HAUB family moved to Modesto, California and that is where Frederick H. HAUB is buried. I have only one wife for John Snoddy Beach LONG, Mary COPPLE (1856-1914), who bore him six children. Since they were married in 1875 in Healdsburg, that must be the "second family" you are asking about. I didn't know about the first family with Mattie BRIANS. Thank you for that information. Do you want me to look for the divorce record? John's mother was Sarah Frances BEACH, which accounts for one of his middle names but I haven't tracked down the SNODDY family although they were also in Sonoma County at that time. I have probate records for a Benjamin A. SNODDY but have not actually read them and do not know of a definite relationship to the LONG family. If you will send an email to jeremy [at] cds1.net, I will send you what I have on John S. B. LONG's second family as well as an image of his death certificate. Jeremy > Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 20:30:40 -0800 (PST) > From: Kathy Minges <kminges2@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [NORCAL] LONG Family in NORCAL Digest, Vol 5, Issue 56 > To: norcal@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <429977.9771.qm@web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > > Hi Jeremy, > > This is interesting for me as well. When I visited the Long Ranch Family Cemetery in the 1970s, I was intrigued by the tombstone for John Henry HAUB, as I hadn't heard his name before. > > Unfortunately, other than my own branch, I know very little about John LONG's descendants. My grandmother, Justena Ella LONG (1871 - 1946), was the daughter of John and his first wife, Mattie (Martha Frances) BRIANS (1855-1918). They were married in 1870 and divorced several years later. Like her father, my grandmother married twice. She and her first husband, Frank SEARLES, had two daughters, Ruby Ella (1889-1991) and Lenora (1893-1970); both daughters were born at the Long Ranch. Justena and her second husband, Frank S. KELLY, were the parents of Thelma (1910-1974). > > It's all convoluted, I think. > > I would appreciate knowing more about John's second family. > > Kathy > >

Hi Jeremy, This is interesting for me as well. When I visited the Long Ranch Family Cemetery in the 1970s, I was intrigued by the tombstone for John Henry HAUB, as I hadn't heard his name before. Unfortunately, other than my own branch, I know very little about John LONG's descendants. My grandmother, Justena Ella LONG (1871 - 1946), was the daughter of John and his first wife, Mattie (Martha Frances) BRIANS (1855-1918). They were married in 1870 and divorced several years later. Like her father, my grandmother married twice. She and her first husband, Frank SEARLES, had two daughters, Ruby Ella (1889-1991) and Lenora (1893-1970); both daughters were born at the Long Ranch. Justena and her second husband, Frank S. KELLY, were the parents of Thelma (1910-1974). It's all convoluted, I think. I would appreciate knowing more about John's second family. Kathy ________________________________ From: Jeremy Nichols <jeremy@cds1.net> To: norcal@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, February 8, 2010 11:10:05 AM Subject: [NORCAL] LONG Family in NORCAL Digest, Vol 5, Issue 56 Kathy, You are descended from John Snoddy Beach LONG (1852-1918)? How interesting! I do not have the descendancy of his six children, perhaps you can fill me in. John LONG's younger brother was George Washington LONG (1860-1925). George married Mary Ellen DAVIS (1859-1940). One of their children was Winifred Lenore LONG (1894-1968). Winifred married John Henry HAUB (1888-1958). John was the son of Frederick H. HAUB (1853-1940) and Sarah Margaret OWENS (1859-1952). Sarah's older sister was Nancy Tabitha OWENS (1857-1960 - yes, age 103). Nancy married James Buchanan BROWN (1855-1925). James's youngest sister, Kittie Lavilla BROWN (1881-1936) was my maternal grandmother. Is that sufficiently convoluted? Jeremy > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 11:02:13 -0800 (PST) > From: Kathy Minges <kminges2@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [NORCAL] LONG family in Sonoma County > To: norcal@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <482834.29706.qm@web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Jeremy, > > How distantly related are you? > > I am a descendant of Isaac Long's son, John. > > ________________________________ > From: Jeremy Nichols <jeremy@cds1.net> > To: NORCAL@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sun, February 7, 2010 11:42:39 AM > Subject: [NORCAL] LONG family in Sonoma County > > [NORCAL Digest, Vol 5, Issue 55, question from billmil7] > Isaac LONG and his family had a ranch in the Geyserville area in the > 1800s and early 1900s. The Long Ranch Family Cemetery still exists and > (like most everything in that area) is on a little hill in a vineyard. > There may still be living descendants in the area and I am distantly > related. I do not know of anyone carrying the LONG name moving to west > county, though. > > ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to NORCAL@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Jan, I thought it was just me. I knew that he was registered for the draft in 1942 but can't find him anywhere. I will be looking up his wife's obit tomorrow at Eureka library so maybe I'll learn more. He and wife were registered to vote in 1930 but were missing on that years census...but a lot of those loggers are MIA in the census. EdrieAnne