Such an adventure, to learn in the mountains!! The good part was,not much traffic. The bad part was shifting gears on hills, and stopping on hills. I remember wishing I had three feet...one for the gas, one for the clutch, and one for the brake. Jeanne, Orange County

Now why would you ask a question like that Betty????? Guess. Margie ----- Original Message ----- From: <scrapsbratt@aol.com> To: <norcal@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 11:33 AM Subject: [NORCAL] my driving story What lasted longer - the '65 Mustang or the marriage? I wasn't going to chime in, as I seem to be much younger than most who have, but I too had one of those mean mothers. While all the other kids were learning to drive automatic transmission, (this was mid '70s) I had to learn on the '64 Wrangler Station wagon - you remember the one with the shift on the steering column. Yep, DMV test and everything - including parallel parking. My mother figured if I could pass that, I could drive anything and would never be stranded because I couldn't drive. Betty

I am sure that many on this list will remember the '65 Mustang. Well, no one but the 'lord of the manor' was allowed to drive THAT car. Until the day came - shortly after he graduated from Stanford - when HE was going to be out of town for about 3 weeks at a training session for a new job. Then he determined that I would 'have permission' to drive it to the grocery store and home - only while he was gone mind you. So, there we were in the parking lot of Safeway in Redwood City and HE announces - OK, you drive home. With great trepidation I got behind the wheel and with the gear shift beside my right hand - I was instructed - here is FIRST gear. Put it in First Gear. That I did and started out of the parking lot and into the line of traffic. Put it in SECOND Gear was the next order. I tried and tried but the gear shift was stuck - it would NOT move. PUT IT IN SECOND - the order came often and louder each time. Try as I would, the gear shift WOULD NOT MOVE. Then came the scream - PUT IT IN SECOND. I tried again, and this time it moved. I picked the stick out of the gear box, handed it to him and said as best I could, HERE, YOU PUT IT IN SECOND. Fortunately there was a parking space conveniently placed for me. We calmly and quietly changed places in the car and he drove home in silence. End of driving lessons until several years later - I still did not 'drive.' Papers had to be delivered to the TransAmerica building in San Francisco. I did not know why I was 'allowed' to go on this trip until we got in front of the building. With no parking spaces avilable, he Double Parked, saying - drive around the block until I get back. How I did it - around and around and around the block stopping at each corner and turning into traffic - I will never know. It was more the fear of scratching the precious Mustang than actually driving the car. Perhaps that helped. I did learn to drive through the help of a kind neighbor while he was gone on another trip - and he said - NEVER in my Mustang. I said I had earned the right to drive IT. Margie

Thanks for the great story and the laugh Bill. That must have been one hair raising ride. ________________________________ From: Bill Roddy <billroddy@cox.net> To: norcal@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, May 31, 2010 8:47:46 AM Subject: [NORCAL] My first car. It was a model A Ford roadster. I bought it in Watsonville in 1942 for $55. I was 20 and working at KHUB radio as news director. The manager gave me that title because he only paid me $15 a week. I lived at the YMCA for $2.50 a week had a $5 meal ticket at a Slovenian restaurant. The owner always gave me extra helpings because my grandfather's name was Raicevich. On my first trip home to SF I took my mother and aunt for their first ride. My aunt in the rumble seat. At the end I took the Duboce street hill down to Castro. Big mistake! By the second block we speeded up in spite of the fact I had down shifted to second. The brakes wouldn't stop us. At Castro I swerved to the right and saw a bus headed our way. I just missed it at the last minute. We got home to Herman St. and my mother and aunt had a glass of sherry and laid down. Alone I took the car back to the Castro hill and went down in first gear with no problem. My confidence returned. Bill PS I just renewed my license at 88. The DMV examiner saw my cane and asked me why I used it, but he passed me. ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to NORCAL@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ah, the Nimitz. Your dad wasn't the only one. It was the Big Drive in our drivers' ed class at Encinal (in Alameda). Our long-suffering instructor also had us drive a very twisty road through the Oakland Hills. It was either Redwood or Canyon. I was mortified when he grabbed the wheel and guided the car to the left because he thought I was getting too close to the bank. "Reeeaaly sir; we were just fine." In college, my boyfriend taught me how to drive a stick first by listening to the engine, then shifting while he drove, and finally driving his Falcon in the parking lot at Meryvn's. He taught me well. With the exception of two cars in my life, I've always driven and preferred a stick shift. Kathy ________________________________ From: Sam Brewer <samrewerb@yahoo.com> To: norcal@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, May 31, 2010 1:00:32 AM Subject: Re: [NORCAL] OT- drivers training My dad taught me to drive an automatic. We lived in Alameda and on my second time behind the wheel my dad had me drive to the Nimitz freeway and drive to Hayward and back. His belief was that if you could drive the freeway, you could drive anywhere. My first experience with a stick shift was in the Navy in the Philippines. Our first class loaded everyone on a 5 ton flatbed and told me to drive. I calmly told him I never drove a stick. He sternly told me to get behind the wheel and drive. I tentatively got behind the wheel. He then instructed me on the fundamentals of a stick and after killing the engine a few times and jerking the truck and the guys in back a bunch more times I finally got comfortable driving the truck. This made the guys in back very happy as I was required to also drive it back. It was an open bed truck and it rained the whole way to our work station. The truck we came back in was canvas covered, the rain had stopped and it was about 115 in the shade. Sam ________________________________ From: Linda Mock <lindamock@webtv.net> To: norcal@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 10:42:16 AM Subject: [NORCAL] OT- drivers training Does anyone remember when they learned to drive? Who Taught you & where? Kind of vehicle used...I just renewed my 5 year license for the 5th time. ~Linda~ Willow Creek, CA. ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to NORCAL@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to NORCAL@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I can do a look-up in the Sac Union. What are you looking for? Betty

O, and I am on my 9th, five year license.... Cheryl In a message dated 5/30/2010 10:42:33 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lindamock@webtv.net writes: Does anyone remember when they learned to drive? Who Taught you & where? Kind of vehicle used...I just renewed my 5 year license for the 5th time. ~Linda~ Willow Creek, CA. ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to NORCAL@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I learn as a young girl with my father in the jeep as we did with our children as soon as they could keep the clutch in to shift. We always told them, have fun but stay on the property and don't hit any sprinklers. I can drive anything was, my father's reasoning, so if I needed to get home I could drive. And that was my reasoning for our daughter and son. The can drive anything. Cheryl Davis-Holman In a message dated 5/30/2010 10:42:33 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lindamock@webtv.net writes: Does anyone remember when they learned to drive? Who Taught you & where? Kind of vehicle used...I just renewed my 5 year license for the 5th time. ~Linda~ Willow Creek, CA. ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to NORCAL@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Perrin, Thanks for the additional history of Agnews State Hosp/Developemental Center.  It all fits with what I remember my sister saying about her student who lived there.  It makes more sense now that I know it was a Developmental Center also.  Nancy in Louisiana ________________________________ From: Perrin Larton <perrin@garlic.com> To: norcal@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, May 28, 2010 7:47:45 PM Subject: [NORCAL] Agnews History after some research and some random thoughts Just want to give a bit more information about Agnews State Hospital/Agnews Developmental Center/Sun Microsystems Corporate campus since there seem to be many questions about the facility... Agnews was 'born' in 1885 by the California State Legislature to house the mentally ill.  It was called Agnews Residential Facility and its official job was to treat and care for the 'neuropsychiatric patient'.  The first patient was admitted in 1889.  It was the third state institution for the insane. The largest number of fatalities in Santa Clara County caused by the 1906 Earthquake was at Agnews.  Approximately 117 patients died when the multi-storied unreinforced masonry building fell.  When the facility was being rebuilt, rather that build up; cottages were built around the grounds to house the patients.  Other mental institutions began to use this same type of architecture for their patients following the Agnews model.  The idea was to have treatment in a separate building from where the patients 'lived', giving the patients more light and fresh air instead of the typical asylum treatment. With better understanding of mental illness and the advent of outpatient treatment of the mentally ill, Agnews began to take developmentally disabled patients as well as the mentally ill in about 1965.  In 1971 the Lanterman Act passed and was signed by then Governor Reagan, shutting down Agnews but ONLY AS A MENTAL HEALTH FACILITY.  It continued to have developmentally disabled clients until March 2009! In 1996 California put up for sale much of the land that had been the Agnews State Hospital...it was called surplus state land.  The community wanted to have some say in what would become of this historic area and the hospital was listed in the National Register of Historic Places.  Sun Microsystems invested 10 million dollars to make improvements to the historically significant buildings on the site.  The auditorium and the mansion are available for groups to rent for gatherings on nights and weekends and are said to be as beautiful now as when they were built in 1913. Although the last 'client' moved from Agnews in 2009, there is still a non-emergency medical clinic on the grounds to address the needs of the developmentally disabled in an out patient setting. Sun Microsystems became a wholly owned subsidiary of Oracle on January 27, 2010. All the above information I got from calling the City of Santa Clara and doing some online research. The rest of these rambling thoughts are mine... Everyone who had a relative at Agnews or any mental health facility has a story.  Those of us who do genealogy seem to run across this more that the average person!  Why did men have their wives 'put away'?  Why did the eccentric woman on the corner have to go to 'get well'?  Why did the first cousin once removed of my cousins aunt never come back?  I think that we all have questions about someone in our family.  That we can't get records from these institutions, in many cases is a brick wall in our genealogical search.  At that time NO ONE spoke about 'those things'.  I believe that many were thinking "There but for the grace of God go I". Unfortunately we don't have documents from or about the inmates at Agnews...perhaps it's better that way.  Psychiatric treatment in the first half of the 20th Century and even later was NOT something that most people wanted to learn about.  It was about keeping the patients under control and if that took restraints, lobotomies, electro-shock therapy, or massive doses of drugs that is what happened. We'll probably never know all of the 'whys'.  I'm sure many were admitted without what we now would call a substantive reason.  I wonder what our descendants will say in a hundred years about 'tough love', teen 'Boot Camp', and other things we understand COMPLETELY now. I journal...everything!  My kids are going to learn some really racy things about their grandmother when I'm gone!  I figure I want my descendants to know the good, bad, and BETTER about my life and those who are in it...straight from ME! Perrin ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL.  Browse by month. Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to NORCAL@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I learned to drive an automatic. My great-aunt Mildred sold me her 1955 Renault Dauphin for $50 in 1966. No synchromesh stick shift. It had a bad cotter pin in the transmission and my stepfather had it fixed at a 2nd floor garage at Fell & Divisadero. When it was ready he dropped me off and said - OK drive home. Rush hour traffic through the park to Westlake. I had my girlfriend with me. I learned to drive that stick shift really fast and have had sticks every since. On May 31, 2010, at 12:00 AM, norcal-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 23:00:32 -0700 (PDT) > From: Sam Brewer <samrewerb@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [NORCAL] OT- drivers training > To: norcal@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <727773.58208.qm@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > My dad taught me to drive an automatic. We lived in Alameda and on my second time behind the wheel my dad had me drive to the Nimitz freeway and drive to Hayward and back. His belief was that if you could drive the freeway, you could drive anywhere. > > My first experience with a stick shift was in the Navy in the Philippines. Our first class loaded everyone on a 5 ton flatbed and told me to drive. I calmly told him I never drove a stick. He sternly told me to get behind the wheel and drive. I tentatively got behind the wheel. He then instructed me on the fundamentals of a stick and after killing the engine a few times and jerking the truck and the guys in back a bunch more times I finally got comfortable driving the truck. This made the guys in back very happy as I was required to also drive it back. It was an open bed truck and it rained the whole way to our work station. The truck we came back in was canvas covered, the rain had stopped and it was about 115 in the shade. > > Sam

It was a model A Ford roadster. I bought it in Watsonville in 1942 for $55. I was 20 and working at KHUB radio as news director. The manager gave me that title because he only paid me $15 a week. I lived at the YMCA for $2.50 a week had a $5 meal ticket at a Slovenian restaurant. The owner always gave me extra helpings because my grandfather's name was Raicevich. On my first trip home to SF I took my mother and aunt for their first ride. My aunt in the rumble seat. At the end I took the Duboce street hill down to Castro. Big mistake! By the second block we speeded up in spite of the fact I had down shifted to second. The brakes wouldn't stop us. At Castro I swerved to the right and saw a bus headed our way. I just missed it at the last minute. We got home to Herman St. and my mother and aunt had a glass of sherry and laid down. Alone I took the car back to the Castro hill and went down in first gear with no problem. My confidence returned. Bill PS I just renewed my license at 88. The DMV examiner saw my cane and asked me why I used it, but he passed me.

I received my driver education along with my on the job training as a security policeman. I had just enlisted in the Air Force right out of high school and was stationed at Mather AFB, in Sacramento , California . On the night shifts I would take an Air Force truck (standard transmission) and drive around the flight line hoping not to hit a B-52 bomber or a KC-135 tanker. After two years of this I returned to my home town found a local commercial driving school. Paid the $ 25.00 fee for one hour and had the instructor show me the driving test given by DMV. He included all the pit falls and what to watch out for. About an hour after this class I took the real test from DMV and the examiner ask me to drive the exact same route I drove earlier. Naturally I pass with a perfect score. But before I could buy a car I was transferred to Clark AB in the Philippines . It wasn’t until I returned from their and had re-enlisted that I bought a new Ford Pinto. I paid cash for the car using part of my re-enlistment bonus. And I use the rest as a down payment on a condo I bought in Vacaville , California . I had some great neighbors who lived less than a mile from my home. Two that I am sure everyone has heard of is Sirhan Sirhan and Charles Manson. I used to drive by their residence everyday as I went to work at Travis AFB, California . Eugene

I got my learner's permit when I was 15 1/2. A neighbor would take me out in her Volvo because my Mom worked. I learned to drive in Eureka. I remember when my Mom took me to get my permit, she argued with the lady behnd the counter because the birth date on the BC was wrong. It said the 4th and it should have been the 7th. The lady told my Mom she had to use the date on the certificate and my Mom told her she knew it was wrong because she was there. The DMV could have cared less and for the next 10 yrs that date continued to be wrong on my driver's license. Now that I do family research, I can so appreciate that incorrect vital record. Pat in Maryland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Mock" <lindamock@webtv.net> To: norcal@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2010 1:42:16 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [NORCAL] OT- drivers training Does anyone remember when they learned to drive? Who Taught you & where? Kind of vehicle used...I just renewed my 5 year license for the 5th time. ~Linda~ Willow Creek, CA. ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to NORCAL@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My father in law was there as part of the communications group for the Air Force in the early to mid 1960s. I have photos of him and some other Air Force guys at an orphanage there that they did some work on. Susan Boise, Idaho, USA -----Original Message----- From: norcal-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:norcal-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of James R Smith Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2010 8:36 PM To: norcal@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NORCAL] OT- drivers training Hey Eugen, when were you at Clark? I was there in 67-68. 1st Mobile Comm Grp. Jim -- James R. Smith Author/Speaker/Researcher Author: San Franciscos Lost Landmarks California Snatch Racket, June 2010 San Francisco's Playland at the Beach: The Early Years, Nov 2010 www.HistorySmith.com eugenemelvin.roots@comcast.net wrote: > I received my driver education along with my on the job training as a security policeman. I had just enlisted in the Air Force right out of high school and was stationed at Mather AFB, in Sacramento , California . On the night shifts I would take an Air Force truck (standard transmission) and drive around the flight line hoping not to hit a B-52 bomber or a KC-135 tanker. > >After two years of this I returned to my home town found a local commercial driving school. Paid the $ 25.00 fee for one hour and had the instructor show me the driving test given by DMV. He included all the pit falls and what to watch out for. About an hour after this class I took the real test from DMV and the examiner ask me to drive the exact same route I drove earlier. Naturally I pass with a perfect score. > >But before I could buy a car I was transferred to Clark AB in the Philippines . It wasnt until I returned from their and had re-enlisted that I bought a new Ford Pinto. I paid cash for the car using part of my re-enlistment bonus. > >And I use the rest as a down payment on a condo I bought in Vacaville , California . I had some great neighbors who lived less than a mile from my home. Two that I am sure everyone has heard of is Sirhan Sirhan and Charles Manson. I used to drive by their residence everyday as I went to work at Travis AFB, California . > > Eugene

My dad taught me to drive an automatic. We lived in Alameda and on my second time behind the wheel my dad had me drive to the Nimitz freeway and drive to Hayward and back. His belief was that if you could drive the freeway, you could drive anywhere. My first experience with a stick shift was in the Navy in the Philippines. Our first class loaded everyone on a 5 ton flatbed and told me to drive. I calmly told him I never drove a stick. He sternly told me to get behind the wheel and drive. I tentatively got behind the wheel. He then instructed me on the fundamentals of a stick and after killing the engine a few times and jerking the truck and the guys in back a bunch more times I finally got comfortable driving the truck. This made the guys in back very happy as I was required to also drive it back. It was an open bed truck and it rained the whole way to our work station. The truck we came back in was canvas covered, the rain had stopped and it was about 115 in the shade. Sam ________________________________ From: Linda Mock <lindamock@webtv.net> To: norcal@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 10:42:16 AM Subject: [NORCAL] OT- drivers training Does anyone remember when they learned to drive? Who Taught you & where? Kind of vehicle used...I just renewed my 5 year license for the 5th time. ~Linda~ Willow Creek, CA. ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to NORCAL@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hey Eugen, when were you at Clark? I was there in 67-68. 1st Mobile Comm Grp. Jim -- James R. Smith Author/Speaker/Researcher Author: San Francisco’s Lost Landmarks California Snatch Racket, June 2010 San Francisco's Playland at the Beach: The Early Years, Nov 2010 www.HistorySmith.com eugenemelvin.roots@comcast.net wrote: > I received my driver education along with my on the job training as a security policeman. I had just enlisted in the Air Force right out of high school and was stationed at Mather AFB, in Sacramento , California . On the night shifts I would take an Air Force truck (standard transmission) and drive around the flight line hoping not to hit a B-52 bomber or a KC-135 tanker. > > > > After two years of this I returned to my home town found a local commercial driving school. Paid the $ 25.00 fee for one hour and had the instructor show me the driving test given by DMV. He included all the pit falls and what to watch out for. About an hour after this class I took the real test from DMV and the examiner ask me to drive the exact same route I drove earlier. Naturally I pass with a perfect score. > > > > But before I could buy a car I was transferred to Clark AB in the Philippines . It wasn’t until I returned from their and had re-enlisted that I bought a new Ford Pinto. I paid cash for the car using part of my re-enlistment bonus. > > > > And I use the rest as a down payment on a condo I bought in Vacaville , California . I had some great neighbors who lived less than a mile from my home. Two that I am sure everyone has heard of is Sirhan Sirhan and Charles Manson. I used to drive by their residence everyday as I went to work at Travis AFB, California . > > > > Eugene > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to NORCAL@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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Track vehicles use a stick for each side ,right and left no steering wheel. On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Linda Mock <lindamock@webtv.net> wrote: > Anybody onlist now, that really did drive a tank in any of our wars? How > are they different from cars. Was told that tanks were built by > Catipillar Tractor Co. True? > > ~Linda~ > Willow Creek, CA. > > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to > NORCAL@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Gail: Do you descend from the same Emil Schallock that I mentioned in my posting request for Vital Search? He's the earliest I've found. Judy

Anybody onlist now, that really did drive a tank in any of our wars? How are they different from cars. Was told that tanks were built by Catipillar Tractor Co. True? ~Linda~ Willow Creek, CA.