My advice would be to check to see if there is already a study going on your nephew's (and your father's) surname. Even if you suspect the surname is not the correct lineage, you might get a discount with the company sponsoring the survey. They will first try to match you with the lineages already in the study. Failing that, they will, from time to time, send you close matches. At this point, I'd try to get the most allele test that you can afford. It helps if you are testing a theory...for instance... One of my maternal surnames is Dorsey. The 'Immigrant' ancestor was Edward Dorsey of Maryland and there is a surname study for him. Our branch, probably descended from Andrew Dorsey and his wife Patience who moved South into the Carolinas just prior to the American Revolution. Andrew Dorsey and his eldest son died suddenly at a fairly young age at about the same age. Lots of Dorseys were in the area, probably sons or grandsons, we haven't figured out who belongs where, but we do know that they (and Andrew) are related, but through DNA this line is not related to Edward the Immigrant except that they are all from the British Isles. Our Dorsey line has quite a few really rare markers however, making it stand out. The distant cousin in charge of this study has proved that her ancestor Harvey Kelley was actually Elisha Harvey Dorsey (mother's maiden name was Martha Kelley), who deserted twice from the Confederate Army and moved his family across the mountains to Tennessee and started a new life. My cousin had a very extensive and informative website but the links appear to be broken, so searching from the homepage is frustrating but the steps she followed in her early quest are on this page. http://www.contexo.info/DorseyDNA/HarveyKelley.htm As a retired teacher, my cousin had constructed a really great resource. It's too bad it's falling apart. EdrieAnne

Yvonne, I was a merchant seaman in WWII, guess that's earlier than your stepfather. When we arrived home we were paid off in hundred dollar bills. Docking along the Embarcadero and its dives, especially when girls were involved, were too tempting to many of my shipmates. Bill -----Original Message----- From: norcal-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:norcal-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Yvonne Bowers Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 6:07 PM To: norcal@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NORCAL] drivers training My stepfather was a merchant seaman. He shipped out of San Francisco and was usually gone 2-3 months and would come home with a lot of money. When he spent it all he would ship out again.

Jim, I arrive at Clark AB on Friday August 8, 1969 and was assigned to the 6200nd Security Police Squadron. I left there the last week of October 1970 and proceeded directly to Europe via India where I spent a week and saw the Ta j Mahal and then onto the Italian Aps where I spent a month visiting my mother relatives.  I was in a small village of about 300 individuals and no one except my mother spoke English. Eugene      ----- Original Message ----- From: "James R Smith" <jim@historysmith.com> To: norcal@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2010 7:36:00 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [NORCAL] OT- drivers training Hey Eugen, when were you at Clark?  I was there in 67-68.  1st Mobile Comm Grp. Jim -- James R. Smith Author/Speaker/Researcher Author: San Francisco’s Lost Landmarks         California Snatch Racket, June 2010         San Francisco's Playland at the Beach: The Early Years, Nov 2010 www.HistorySmith.com eugenemelvin.roots@comcast.net wrote: > I received my driver education along with my on the job training as a security policeman. I had just enlisted in the Air Force right out of high school and was stationed at Mather AFB, in Sacramento , California . On the night shifts I would take an Air Force truck (standard transmission) and drive around the flight line hoping not to hit a B-52 bomber or a KC-135 tanker. > > > > After two years of this I returned to my home town found a local commercial driving school. Paid the $ 25.00 fee for one hour and had the instructor show me the driving test given by DMV. He included all the pit falls and what to watch out for. About an hour after this class I took the real test from DMV and the examiner ask me to drive the exact same route I drove earlier. Naturally I pass with a perfect score. > > > > But before I could buy a car I was transferred to Clark AB in the Philippines . It wasn’t until I returned from their and had re-enlisted that I bought a new Ford Pinto. I paid cash for the car using part of my re-enlistment bonus. > > > > And I use the rest as a down payment on a condo I bought in Vacaville , California . I had some great neighbors who lived less than a mile from my home. Two that I am sure everyone has heard of is Sirhan Sirhan and Charles Manson. I used to drive by their residence everyday as I went to work at Travis AFB, California . > > > > Eugene > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL.  Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to NORCAL@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL.  Browse by month. Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to NORCAL@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I had my DNA tested through Family Tree DNA about two years ago. It turns out I wasn't related to a branch of familt that I thought I was related to. Since that time, I have had about 200 DNA matches. In every case, we share family names with one another but have found no connection. This has beem for 12 markers matches and up to 36 markers. I think that most of the matches go back farther than when many families started to use last names. (In Europe Jews were required to start using last names around the mid-1700s. Most of my family matches are Jewish. I believe Christians started using last names before this time. Can anyone confirm this? I know that I will continue to get matches over many years and I am hopeful that I will find parts of my family that haven't heard of one another. My original DNA test cost $220. My sister did a maternal test that gave us even less information. It seemed like a waste of money. Most of the people I met through DNA matches also had found no matches. Have other people found relatives using DNA?

First you have to decide what you want to know. A paternal line? A maternal line? As others have said the paternal yDNA goes from the man tested through his father, grandfather, and up the line. Only males can be yDNA tested. If you have a family name that you want to trace, or the possible ancestry on a particular male line, this is a good way to go. The maternal DNA, mtDNA (mitochrondrial DNA), goes from the woman to her mother, grandmother and so on up the direct line. This is not a good way to find female ancestry because the mtDNA mutates very slowly and may match someone who is related hundreds or thousands of years ago, and you won't know how. It will give you an idea of your Ancestress' distant maternal history as far as where they came from and where they passed through. Both men and women can be tested for this, as they each get mtDNA from their mothers. If you are seeking to find who else in the world you are related to, then autosomal (aDNA) testing is the way to go. My brother and I have both been tested at FTDNA for the basic y and mt DNA, and then to 23andMe for the autosomal. We were hoping to find some clue to our unknown great grandfather's line. Now we have had a couple of cousins on that side tested. Nothing yet. Autosomal DNA testing will give you the haplogroups (types) of y and mt DNA the person tested has, except for women who only have the mt. A $100 test won't tell you much. I recommend that you research very carefully the companies that do DNA testing. Most of us who are into this seriously have seen the disappointment of those who tested cheaply, and then didn't get enough results to compare with others. DNA testing can get very expensive when done seriously. Explore the websites, and the tutorials they offer. It is a new jargon you will have to learn, but there are Forums online that will help you as you are going through the Newbie stage. There will be no quick answers. The thing to remember is that all of this is still in the research stage, and there is much to be learned yet, both by the tested and by the companies. It can be rather time consuming, but some of us have become DNA junkies by now. It is exciting when you find someone predicted to be a fourth cousin, actually shares a portion of DNA in common with you, and maybe even your brother and cousin, and there is a common name in your ancestry. So, do your homework, check out the companies, and join some of the forums. (you can google them) Then lurk for a while until you get the gist of what is going on. Then decide on the type of testing. Disclaimer: I am not necessarily recommending the companies above, but used the names as we had tested with them. "rwalker"

My mother (she was a saint) taught me to drive my folk's 1956 Buick Roadmaster. I remember it had gun sights on the front fenders. I would line up the center line of the road through the left gun sight. We lived in San Carlos so Mom took me "across the tracks" to learn on the wider industrial roads. My first husband taught me to drive a manual shift when we bought a 1961 VW Bug. We were living in SF at the time. He went with me to teach me to drive the stick shift. I thought I was doing pretty well until I turned up one of the steeper streets in town. The first stop sign I came to on the hill, my husband pulled on the handbrake and switched places with me. He drove home and told me I could take the car out alone and figure it out by myself. Eventually I did, but not before backing into some gentleman on 18th St.--again at a stop sign near the top of hill. The man came to my window and said, "I knew you were going to do that." And I said, "So did I, but I didn't know what to do." He was nice enough to explain to me that I needed to use the handbrake while feathering the clutch. Oh. Dorothy

The first time I got behind the wheel of a moving car (I was 11) was at a closed down saw mill just below Yosemite Forks about 1948 It was an abandoned 1940 Studebaker two door sedan ,same year I drove a Model A delivery van all the way to Bass Lake ( with the supervision of a neighbor lady) . The next go round was a 1940 Ford coupe that I kinda inherited from a guy I knew at Washington Jr. High, Billy Passeau bought the car from some shady character in a trailer park in Pinedale. Bill's intent was to drive to Hollywood and become a famous movie star. He abandoned the little coupe, where he got it stuck, in a rain soaked plowed field near Calwa. I terrorized my local neighborhood in Fresno for weeks with it until the transmission gave out. That summer my brother and I went to my aunts house in Mt View. On our weekly swimming trips to the Permanente Reservoir.I got some serious driving lessons In her Stude Convertible. (it had a hill holder that automatically kept the car from rolling backwards when stopped on a hill. It released itself as soon as you proceeded up the hill ) The next car was of all things a 1925 Studebaker Coupe. It looked a lot like Grandma Ducks car....bud vases and window shades. My Mom said we had to get rid of it because it was an eyesore....We had all of $10.00 into the deal and still owed the seller another $15.00....We reluctantly sold the slowest car I had ever owned to a Sporting goods store owner on Blackstone Ave for $80.00...I switched over to motercycles because I could operate those with only a driving permit. I took my driving test in a 1951 Chevy in my Jr year..............Jack

>From the News Back Then column. 75 yrs ago. 23,May 1935 Thrusday. 1] A.J. FETZER, local businessman, is building two new apartments on his lot on Center Street. Construction work began Monday. 2] R.N. ALTERMATT, local contractor, has completed his home on North Taylor Stree. He moved his family in the first of the week. He has started constuction of the new 5 room house for Mr. & Mrs. PETER VAN MATRE on Taylor Street. 3] "HAP" MILLER announced this week that the Wwvlle Fire Dept. has made arrangements with the Alpha Phi Omega society of Chico State College to put on their play, "Her Husband's Wife", at the memoria Hall in Wwvlle, 14, June. Proceeds from the play will be donated o the fire dept. 4] More than 200 people gathered around the bandstand Sunday, to listen to music furnished by Trinity County Band, and heard the Rev. JAMES SALMON, talk on Mother's Day. The band music was a real treat. GEORGE GOODY organized the band less than 2 yrs. ago and its one of the best ever. 5] Deputy Assessor NORMAN WEINHEIMER, departed Sunday for Vallejo, where he will attend the Native Sons Grand Lodge as a delegate from the Mt. BALDY parlor. District Attorney EDWIN J. REGAN, departed Monday for Vallejo, for the Grand Parlor of Native Sons. Mr. REGAN, is a delegate from the San Francisco Parlor. 50 yrs. ago. 26,May 1960 Thursday. 1] Rain for the week 1.83; rain to date 33.55; average high 56F, average low 36F, with a 29F on Sunday and Tuesday. 6" of snow was recorded outside the ranger station at Trinity Center. 2] REWARD - Reward of $5,000 offered for the capture of Big Foot - alive that is, by 01,July...The reward is offered by the Wwvlle Junior Chamber of Commerce as it kicked off its publicity for the Big Foot 4h of July celebration to be held July, 2-3-4. A description of Big Foot: A creature, man or beast, 7 ft. tall, weighting 750 lbs., with a foot length of 16+ inches in length and covered with hair. They have eliminated members of the bear or cat families.... 3] The population of Trinity County as of May 24th,1960 was set at 9,976, this according to E.l. McNAUGHTON, census district supervisor. 4] An 8 lane bowling alley will be in operation in Wwvlle by 15, Sept, announced EDWIN WINN, wner and operator. The lanes will be located in the MITCHELL building on South Main Street (straight stretch). The building id now under construction. All new Brunswick lanes and pin-setting equipment will be installed. 5] New officers of the Church of the Nazarene for the new Church year begining 16, May 1960 are: Stewards: SHIRLEY HAFER, MARIE GOULD and MARION BOOTH; Trustees RAPLH HAFER,GLENN BOOTH and GENE GOULD; Church Secretary is MARIE GOULD, Church treasurer GENE GOULD. The Rev. RAY SANDERS is the pastor. 6] This week the Wwvlle Swiming Pool Fund, INC., soared above the $20,000 mark by $236.93. A slab around the perimeter of the pool will be poured next week.The weekend of 03,June could see water in the pool. 7] A course in water safety instruction will be taught in Wwvlle under the auspices of the Red Cross, 11-15 July. Contact Dr. V.THERY NESS's office, ph is main 3-2934 to sign up. ~ end ~Linda~ Willow Creek, CA.

Just missed you, Eugene. It was a great place to serve though I was in & out. We were setting up remote temporary communications in SEA - Viet Nam & other places like Formosa during a typhoon & a few we never admitted we were in. Been thinking about team members a lot today. There were so many urban legends about Clark - especially Lily Hill. Of course, some were true. Your trip the Alps must have been great. Even if you don't speak the language, you still feel the tie. Thanks for serving, Jim eugenemelvin.roots@comcast.net wrote: > Jim, > > > > I arrive at Clark AB on Friday August 8, 1969 and was assigned to the 6200nd Security Police Squadron. I left there the last week of October 1970 and proceeded directly to Europe via India where I spent a week and saw the Ta j Mahal and then onto the Italian Aps where I spent a month visiting my mother relatives. I was in a small village of about 300 individuals and no one except my mother spoke English. > > > > Eugene > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James R Smith" <jim@historysmith.com> > To: norcal@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2010 7:36:00 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > Subject: Re: [NORCAL] OT- drivers training > > Hey Eugen, when were you at Clark? I was there in 67-68. 1st Mobile > Comm Grp. > Jim > >

My stepfather was a merchant seaman. He shipped out of San Francisco and was usually gone 2-3 months and would come home with a lot of money. When he spent it all he would ship out again. One time when he was home he bought a turquoise '65 Mustang with a white interior. We couldn't wait to him to ship out so we could drive it around (well, that wasn't the only reason we wanted him to ship out). We were very popular, my brother and I, driving around in that car. Classic story - my grandmother was born and raised in San Francisco and never lived outside the city limits. She never learned to drive. My grandpa had a '55 Chevy and only he drove it. After he died (in '61) it sat in Grandma's garage at 26th & Noriega until my brother (21 months younger than me) could drive. In the still un-enlightened and un-evolved '60's they gave it to my brother because he was a BOY! I got the Renault Dauphin. On May 31, 2010, at 5:05 PM, norcal-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 11:15:10 -0700 > From: "Margie Hinton" <marhinton@earthlink.net> > Subject: [NORCAL] drivers training > To: <norcal@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <AC384DF8052D486E906EAFEF4BD163B5@DHSBQNG1> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I am sure that many on this list will remember the '65 Mustang.

Hi Listers, Crystal's post reminded me of some questions I have about DNA testing. In theory, wouldn't all the results from different labs be the same? Or, are there variations in the results? I do not have any male relatives with whom I have any contact, so am thinking about autosomal testing. What are your thoughts? Nancy Howard Studio City CA ________________________________ From: Crystal Bolt <catpamperer@yahoo.com> To: norcal@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, May 31, 2010 5:08:41 PM Subject: Re: [NORCAL] DNA testing? Hi Barbara, If you get tested with Family Tree DNA in their Family Finder area, that includes autosomal dna which can match you up with either male or female relatives. If he does a surname group, that is the male line for him and would be only females for you, if you tested. There are a lot of companies who do the autosomal testing and I think that is the best way to go since it doesn't limit you to male or female lines. Crystal I have tested with decodeme, 23andme Family Tree DNA with Relative Finder. I think I forgot one. Some of them test for genetic health risks which is why I did them all. ________________________________ From: Barbara/Bill Pompei <bandbpompei@comcast.net> To: norcal@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, May 31, 2010 4:47:39 PM Subject: [NORCAL] DNA testing? If my nephew gets his DNA tested for genealogical purposes does he had to indicate a certain direction that he's interested in? Does he just do the test and then check his results against various surname groups to see where he fits or ???? He's willing to have it done but I don't know where we go from there. If there is an interruption of the male line then it won't work - right? It has to be a line where we know that the males had male children down the line to him . right? Thanx - I know someone will have all the info and maybe others would like the answer to this question. The only surname I know that has a direct male line is GRACE. They were primarily in Pennsylvania and probably Ireland before that. Thanx Barbara in Sacramento ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to NORCAL@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to NORCAL@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

So how do I begin to have his DNA tested? Is there a company on line that sends you a kit or ? This nephew is from my brother/Dad's line and this would be a direct line of males. I understand it's about $100 ? Barbara Sacramento

My family name society tests to determine/confirm lines. There are 2 major male lines (plus miscellaneous others). DNA testing disproved a common belief that these 2 gentlemen were brothers or uncle/nephew. We test to confirm lines; and sometimes place folks into a line. We are testing to establish other line profiles. In our family heritage, many folks fled to Canada as loyalists after the Revolutionary War; and DNA testing can confirm a "Robert" or "Obadiah" or "Unknown" heritage. We have folks that we know are "Robert" descendants, but do not have the records to confirm. Sometimes testing solves mysteries; sometimes it just opens other avenues of interest. -----Original Message----- From: norcal-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:norcal-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of James R Smith Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 5:06 PM To: norcal@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NORCAL] DNA testing? Hi Barbara, You didn't say how he is your nephew. If he's your brother's son, then he will be a match for your father. If he's your sister's son, he goes back your brother-in-law's line. It's tracks from a son to his father to his father's father and his father's father's father, etc. It doesn't dogleg through any female lines. If you consider the heritage of his oldest know relative, that's the path to pursue (e.g. Russian, Jewish, Scot, etc.). You should also look at his surname. It may have changed a bit when his line immigrated to the US. In my case, it changed from Seibert to Smith. I did it & have had good results but no breakthroughs. I'm hoping to link up to family in Alaska to learn how my great-grandfather wound up here in CA. I lost the AK side between 1880 & 1900. He had two son's up there in his first family. He got his citizenship due to the Alaskan Purchase, divorced wife #1 & came to SF where he started his 2nd family. He brought his oldest son Julian Smith but Julian had returned to Kodiak, AK by 1880. Jim -- James R. Smith Author/Speaker/Researcher Author: San Francisco's Lost Landmarks California Snatch Racket, June 2010 San Francisco's Playland at the Beach: The Early Years, Nov 2010 www.HistorySmith.com

Hi Barbara, If you get tested with Family Tree DNA in their Family Finder area, that includes autosomal dna which can match you up with either male or female relatives. If he does a surname group, that is the male line for him and would be only females for you, if you tested. There are a lot of companies who do the autosomal testing and I think that is the best way to go since it doesn't limit you to male or female lines. Crystal I have tested with decodeme, 23andme Family Tree DNA with Relative Finder. I think I forgot one. Some of them test for genetic health risks which is why I did them all. ________________________________ From: Barbara/Bill Pompei <bandbpompei@comcast.net> To: norcal@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, May 31, 2010 4:47:39 PM Subject: [NORCAL] DNA testing? If my nephew gets his DNA tested for genealogical purposes does he had to indicate a certain direction that he's interested in? Does he just do the test and then check his results against various surname groups to see where he fits or ???? He's willing to have it done but I don't know where we go from there. If there is an interruption of the male line then it won't work - right? It has to be a line where we know that the males had male children down the line to him . right? Thanx - I know someone will have all the info and maybe others would like the answer to this question. The only surname I know that has a direct male line is GRACE. They were primarily in Pennsylvania and probably Ireland before that. Thanx Barbara in Sacramento ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to NORCAL@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Barbara, You didn't say how he is your nephew. If he's your brother's son, then he will be a match for your father. If he's your sister's son, he goes back your brother-in-law's line. It's tracks from a son to his father to his father's father and his father's father's father, etc. It doesn't dogleg through any female lines. If you consider the heritage of his oldest know relative, that's the path to pursue (e.g. Russian, Jewish, Scot, etc.). You should also look at his surname. It may have changed a bit when his line immigrated to the US. In my case, it changed from Seibert to Smith. I did it & have had good results but no breakthroughs. I'm hoping to link up to family in Alaska to learn how my great-grandfather wound up here in CA. I lost the AK side between 1880 & 1900. He had two son's up there in his first family. He got his citizenship due to the Alaskan Purchase, divorced wife #1 & came to SF where he started his 2nd family. He brought his oldest son Julian Smith but Julian had returned to Kodiak, AK by 1880. Jim -- James R. Smith Author/Speaker/Researcher Author: San Francisco’s Lost Landmarks California Snatch Racket, June 2010 San Francisco's Playland at the Beach: The Early Years, Nov 2010 www.HistorySmith.com Barbara/Bill Pompei wrote: > If my nephew gets his DNA tested for genealogical purposes does he had to > indicate a certain direction that he's interested in? Does he just do the > test and then check his results against various surname groups to see where > he fits or ???? > > He's willing to have it done but I don't know where we go from there. > > If there is an interruption of the male line then it won't work - right? It > has to be a line where we know that the males had male children down the > line to him . right? > > Thanx - I know someone will have all the info and maybe others would like > the answer to this question. > > The only surname I know that has a direct male line is GRACE. They were > primarily in Pennsylvania and probably Ireland before that. > > Thanx > Barbara in Sacramento > > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to NORCAL@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

If my nephew gets his DNA tested for genealogical purposes does he had to indicate a certain direction that he's interested in? Does he just do the test and then check his results against various surname groups to see where he fits or ???? He's willing to have it done but I don't know where we go from there. If there is an interruption of the male line then it won't work - right? It has to be a line where we know that the males had male children down the line to him . right? Thanx - I know someone will have all the info and maybe others would like the answer to this question. The only surname I know that has a direct male line is GRACE. They were primarily in Pennsylvania and probably Ireland before that. Thanx Barbara in Sacramento

I am not sure I have access to "The Union" from that time frame. What is it you are hoping to find about Joseph? Betty Joseph ENOS d. 20 Dec 1850 North Yuba River he was a gold miner from Michigan.

Joseph ENOS d. 20 Dec 1850 North Yuba River he was a gold miner from Michigan. On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 10:50 AM, <scrapsbratt@aol.com> wrote: > > > > I can do a look-up in the Sac Union. > > What are you looking for? > > Betty > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to > NORCAL@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

What lasted longer - the '65 Mustang or the marriage? I wasn't going to chime in, as I seem to be much younger than most who have, but I too had one of those mean mothers. While all the other kids were learning to drive automatic transmission, (this was mid '70s) I had to learn on the '64 Wrangler Station wagon - you remember the one with the shift on the steering column. Yep, DMV test and everything - including parallel parking. My mother figured if I could pass that, I could drive anything and would never be stranded because I couldn't drive. Betty

I learned to drive at 15 1/2 with my permit in a 1954 Buick Special. Thank goodness it had power steering & was an automatic because it was like a tank! Mom took me to the cemetery to learn! Then I had driver's education & behind-the-wheel in school as a sophomore. The school vehicle was a 1955 four-door Chevy with a standard transmission & no power steering. I passed all the tests using that vehicle. As soon as I turned 16, off to the DMV we went in the Buick. The DMV office was on a hill & one had to back up to parallel park between the stanchions out in front of the office. Passed that test too & I've been driving ever since. Judy