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Hi Nancy, Yes, the 1800's were .not.  a good time for children in the UK or the US.      Or for their parents, either. This is one web page describing the "scheme."    On quick look it doesn't mention that the City of Boston actually started it.    That's according to a very good book  (thesis), called  "Boston's Wayward Children,  1830-1930."    Mostly Boston officials sent their needy children to farms in other places of New England.     But, when NYC started the project,  they sent their needy children -  to many other states.      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orphan_Train  The Orphan Train was a social experiment that transported children from crowded coastal cities of the United States to the country'sMidwest for adoption. The orphan trains ran between 1854 and 1929, relocating an estimated 200,000 orphaned, abandoned, or homeless children. At the time the orphan train movement began, it was estimated that 30,000 vagrant children were living on the streets of New York City.  http://www.orphantraindepot.com/OrphanTrainHistory.html  Between 1854 and 1929 an estimated 200,000  orphaned, abandoned, and homeless children  were placed out during, what is known today as,  the Orphan Train Movement. The name is derived  from the children's situations, though they were  not all orphans, and the mode of transportation  used to move them across forty-seven states and  Canada.  FYI:     In Canada,  because a great many of the "home children" arrived on the East Coast   (some arrived in Maine because of bad weather) and their final destination might have been the Province of Ontario,  they were put on trains to get there.    So, they were also referred to as "orphan trains." Betty              (near Lowell, MA) (My maternal grandmother was one of the lucky children, staying in Downtown Boston from Age 10 to 20.   She could have easily been picked to go on one of the "orphan trains."      It is my "educated guess" that the older DEXTER couple who adopter her was actually her grandparents.    I believe their married daughter in CT had a pregnancy outside of her marriage in 1888.   She seems to have abandoned my grandmother,  but I think the DEXTER's wanted her to be safe and nearby - while they were living.)

Interesting story. I think it was very common to put children in orphanages in 1800 and early 1900. My husband's grandfather and his three brothers were put in the Indiana Soldiers and Sailors Home (an orphanage) in the 1890's even though both parents were living. We're not sure why. I recently found records in Salt Lake City, where one of the boys, who was put in the orphanage at age 2 yrs, was pulled out by his father, taken to another county and apprenticed at age FIVE! So sad. Another of the boys committed suicide at age 24. My husband's grandfather ran away from the orphanage at a young age and made his own way. He left Indiana and went into the Spanish American War, then moved to CA. In 1904, my grandmother and her two brothers, living in Eastern Illinois, were taken by their mother (who was ill, after their father had died) across the entire state of Indiana and also put in the Indiana Soldiers and Sailors Home. My grandmother spent five years there and her young brothers grew up there. After she left at sixteen, she apparently never saw the boys again. Her mother never visited the children after they were put in the orphanage and died four years later at age 36. My grandmother's brothers spent their lives searching for her and never found her. I'm now in touch with her youngest brother's son, so the family is connected again. 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I can make 2 comments, ctually. My grandmother was born in MA (?) in 1889, and was adopted by an older couple in 892. She had just turned 3, and they changed her name, and then told her any lies about who her birth-parents were. Unfortunately, Mrs. DEXTER died in 899. Perhaps she had been ill, because Mr. DEXTER sold their home and went o a boarding house in Downtown Boston. And he placed his adopted daughter, hen 10, in the "Boston Female Orphans Asylum." He was near her until he got ick in 1904 and went to the Tewksbury State Hospital where he died a year ater. Maybe when she was 13 (1902?), she went to live at "The Temporary ome for Women and Children," also in Downtown Boston. She apparently emained there until she was 19. He girlfriend at The Temporary Home had a living father. When she turned 18 r 19, her father asked her to come live in his apartment. He liked my randmother, so she was invited to come live there, also. That is when my randmother met "the boy next door." ... When I asked about this situation any years ago, I was told that in certain time periods, fathers were not llowed to be a parent for their own daughter - if there was no female adult in he home. The "Victorian Era" was most of the 1800's, up to 1900, and hat is probably when that law was in place. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victorian_era owever, a similar situation happened around 1970 in NYC. My "EX" had lost is mother unexpectedly, and he had 3 young siblings still at home. They had n estranged, non-participating father. When it was time for the Courts to et involved, the Courts decided that the boys, 16 and 15, could remain living n their tenement apartment - with no adult. But the girl, 14, could not live here. When I found out she was about to become a Ward of the State in NYC, I insisted she come up to Lowell, MA, to live with us. (She arrived on her 5th birthday and was pregnant 6 mos. later. Unbeknownst to me at the time, he had become a "street girl" at a very young age.) :o( (to be continued) Betty (near Lowell, MA) My grandmother's story is long and complicated, and I've mentioned it on the A and CT Lists many times. I don't have the wherewithal to write a book bout her life. But, I'd love to find a book author who would consider riting possibly an "historical novel" about her. She lived in Downtown oston from 1899 to 1910, so the history of Boston ~1900 would be written about. Including the Victorian Era goings-on.) ---------------------------------------- ORCAL ARCHIVES: ttp://archiver.rootsweb.com/ nter NORCAL. 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The Contra Costa Gazette Martinez, Contra Costa County, California Saturday, 15 AUGUST 1874 ******************************************** BORN - SLITZ - At Walnut Creek, August 10, to Mr.&Mrs. John SLITZ, a daughter. MARRIED - BAKER-MILLER - In Clayton, August 9th, to D.S. CARPENTER, Esq., J.P.; Charles BAKER of Somersville and Miss Elizabeth MILLER of Nortonville. MARTINEZ PUBLIC SCHOOL - There has been a very prolonged vacation of our public school, that has already exceeded 10 weeks and will probably extend 3 weeks longer, until the 1st Monday of September. The school was to have re-opened on the 6th of July; but, in consequence of severe illness, the gentleman who had been engaged as Principal, found himself unable to be here at that time, and sent notice accordingly, relinquishing his engagement at the same time. From the highly favorable commendations of the gentleman's qualifications they had received, however, the Trustees were inclined to postpone the opening and await his recovery, if there was any prospect of it within reasonable time, and so informed him. They have since been advised that he was convalescing and would leave Iowa with his family as soon as sufficiently recovered. Within the past few days they have been notified that he will start on the 20th instant, and, with a brief stop to visit relatives, will arrive here on the 29th. Mr. DAVIS, the n ame of the gentleman, was here on a visit for his health some 9 or 10 months ago, and found so much benefit from the climate that he determined to remove here, and this fact being known to our District Trustees, together with the fact that he is ranked as one of the best and most successful teachers in the progressive State of Iowa, where for a number of years he has been Superintendent of Schools for Marshall county, and Principal of the Marshall city school, besides his other acceptable service in 1st class educational positions there, led to his engagement by them to teach here. Mr. DAVIS is about 35 years of age, and is commended as a man of highly exemplary character, as well as a 1st class school teacher. He brings with him a wife and 2 children to make his home here; and the parents and children of our District may be congratulated on having secured a man of his reputed character and qualifications for the position that has been so faithfully and ably filled by the lat e Pri ncipal, Mr. FOWLER. PERSONAL - Mr. Edward PEPPER, a former journalistic pupil of Henry J. RAYMOND, of the New York 'Times,' and whose reportorial and other work for the daily press of this State during the past 14 years has made his journalistic reputation familiar in the newspaper circles of the coast, has been seeking relief in our county this week from routine labor; and the quiet and pleasant attractions of our village have detained him a couple of days at Martinez, during which we have enjoyed his dropping in and chatting of newspaper events and the "Bohemian" corps of the coast, extant and extinct. Returning from lunch on Wednesday, we found on our table the following card: To the 'Gazette,' compliments: A.A. MOORE, District Attorney, Alameda county; J.V.B. GOODRICH, County Clerk, Alameda county; P.R. BUREIN, County Auditor, Alameda county; Geo. W. EDWARDS, Book Keeper, Oakland 'News;' E.J. WEBSTER, Oakland; D. CAMERON, Oakland; Wm. GIBBONS, Alameda. Bound for Napa on a hunt and stopped here a few minutes to refresh. Good day. Aug. 12th; 1 p.m. FUNERAL HEARSE - C.O. JOHNSON, of Pacheco, has recently procured, as a needed adjunct of the undertaking business, a suitable funeral hearse, which he will keep for use when it is required. Transcribed by Dee Sardoch To see more old newspapers, visit http://www.newspaperabstracts.com/

Images can't be sent via NORCAL - you can request those privately.   Jim -- James R. Smith Author/Speaker/Researcher Author: San Francisco's Lost Landmarks California Snatch Racket, San Francisco's Playland at the Beach: The Early Years www.HistorySmith.com On Fri, 3 Feb 2012 18:48:38 +0000 (UTC), [email protected] wrote: My Grandfather was in the Armitage Orphanage, and I would like to see the photo, but it isn't showing up on the email-what do I do to be able to see it? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: [email protected] To: "Norcal post" > <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, February 3, 2012 9:34:20 AM > Subject: [NORCAL] Bishop Armitage Orphanage, pg 1 I'm copying this > from my Ancestry pages---if you cannot view it please let me know > asap. ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: [email protected] To: > [email protected] Sent: Friday, February 3, 2012 8:30:32 AM > Subject: Check out this photo from Ancestry ancestry Donna is sharing > this photo from Ancestry with you. View the photo Ancestry is the > world's largest online resource for family history. With billions of > historical records, powerful search tools, family trees and an active > community, Ancestry helps everyone discover, preserve and share their > family history. We've sent you this message on behalf of > [email protected] . We respect your privacy and won't be > sending you any Ancestry communications as a result of this email. > Questions? Find answers in our online help center or simply send us a > message . You can also contact us at Ancestry Operations Inc., 360 > West 4800 North, Provo, UT 84604, Attn: Customer Service. ©2012 > Ancestry ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. Or click > the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the > NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please > send an email to [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hello Listers, I've been fascinated by the current discussion of  family stories of the hapless children placed in  'asylums' and orphanages; the children must have been very hardy  souls. I was reminded of the Orphan Trains which sent children from the  east coast to new families---often only to become part of a child labor system. Nancy Studio City CA Here's one reference: orphantraindepot.com

Hi again, I've mentioned the "British Home Children" in Canada before,  but probably not recently.    That was the name the "needy children" were given while in Canada.    And, there has been a BHC List .active.  for 10 yrs.   And, there are many stories about those .needy children." in the archives of the List, especially from 2000 to 2007.    There you will read, for example, that not all the children were orphans, a great many having a living parent.    Many were placed in workhouses, some temporarily, and the living parent might have never seen their child again.      Many of the children were placed in "homes" so that the parent or parents could get their life back together.   But the .officials.  decided they'd be better off in Canada -  so they were "shipped out." The  UK's  "Child Migrant Scheme" went on for about 150 years !   1830's to 1970's !!    Over 100,000 of the children were shipped to Canada.    And maybe 50,000 more were shipped to Australia, New Zealand, Africa, South Africa, Malta, etc.       (I started up a List for discussing all of them.) www.rootsweb.com The children were teens down to Age 3.     My LEWIS and CORKILL great-grandparents were part of the Scheme.    They were born in Liverpool, England ~1860, and were "shipped out" in 1874.    Stanley was an orphan,  but the 5 CORKILL children had lost their mother but had a living father.    He was a mariner and was on a ship on the way to Africa while his children were on a ship on their way to Nova Scotia.    The youngest were boys, 5 and 3.    All went to different towns in Nova Scotia.  * Some of the stories include the fact that many times - siblings were separated - and many times they never saw each other again.   Especially if one went to Canada and one went to Australia. Since some of the "child migrants" who were arriving at the Eastern ports of Canada made their way to the Western Provinces,  some of them probably made their way down to California.    So, if you have an ancestor who you just can't trace,  consider these children.    The children were sent to Canada between 1860's and 1940's.   And, if there was room on the ships,  young adults could join them. Betty              (near Lowell, MA) (on Lists and Boards for 10 yrs.;  now an Admin for 9 Lists and 3 Boards, including   Child-Migrants-UK   and  CORKILL) * The CORKILL's had an older brother, Edward CORKILL,  who .somehow.  made his way to Vancouver, British Columbia, in 1873.    He had been on a "training ship" in Liverpool as a teen.    There are many possibilities as to how Edward got from England to the western shore of Canada in 1873.    His father was a Quartermaster on ships between England and Africa, etc., and could have arranged something.   Or perhaps Edward decided to travel and went to California, first.    We have no idea whether he kept in touch with his 5 younger siblings in Nova Scotia.

Hello, I have story about my grandmother in MA, which might be slightly off-topic.   But, the discussions on the Digest this morning are about whether orphans were really orphans, or did they have a parent living.     I can make 2 comments, actually. My grandmother was born in MA (?) in 1889, and was adopted by an older couple in 1892.    She had just turned 3, and they changed her name, and then told her many lies about who her birth-parents were.   Unfortunately, Mrs. DEXTER died in 1899.    Perhaps she had been ill, because Mr. DEXTER sold their home and went to a boarding house in Downtown Boston.   And he placed his adopted daughter, then 10, in the "Boston Female Orphans Asylum."   He was near her until he got sick in 1904 and went to the Tewksbury State Hospital where he died a year later.    Maybe when she was 13 (1902?),  she went to live at "The Temporary Home for Women and Children,"  also in Downtown Boston.    She apparently remained there until she was 19. He girlfriend at The Temporary Home had a living father.    When she turned 18 or 19,  her father asked her to come live in his apartment.    He liked my grandmother, so she was invited to come live there, also.    That is when my grandmother met  "the boy next door."   ...    When I asked about this situation many years ago,  I was told that in certain time periods,  fathers were not allowed to be a parent for their own daughter - if there was no female adult in the home.     The  "Victorian Era"  was most of the 1800's, up to 1900,  and that is probably when that law was in place.        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victorian_era  However, a similar situation happened around 1970 in NYC.     My "EX" had lost his mother unexpectedly,  and he had 3 young siblings still at home.   They had an estranged, non-participating father.    When it was time for the Courts to get involved,  the Courts decided that the boys, 16 and 15, could remain living in their tenement apartment - with no adult.    But the girl, 14, could not live there.    When I found out she was about to become a Ward of the State in NYC,  I insisted she come up to Lowell, MA, to live with us.     (She arrived on her 15th birthday and was pregnant 6 mos. later.    Unbeknownst to me at the time, she had become a "street girl" at a very young age.)   :o( (to be continued) Betty            (near Lowell, MA) (My grandmother's story is long and complicated,  and I've mentioned it on the MA and CT Lists many times.      I don't have the wherewithal to write a book about her life.     But, I'd love to find a book author who would consider writing possibly an "historical novel" about her.    She lived in Downtown Boston from 1899 to 1910, so the history of Boston ~1900 would be written about.    Including the Victorian Era goings-on.)

Yes, I would, Margie, thank you. Do you have the pic? I ccould send that to you. 1 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margie Hinton" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2012 3:17:23 PM Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Bishop Armtiage Orphanage I have a 'half-orphan,' Doris Wright, age thirteen who was placed ‘temporarily’ in Maria Kip Home for Orphans, then located at 7th Avenue and Lake Street in San Francisco, California. The Maria Kip Home for Orphans was one of several organizations where orphans and half-orphans were placed temporarily for ‘safe keeping‘ or for adoption placement. This census, enumerated on 5 June 1900, lists the 13 year old Doris Wright (birth date November 1886 California). I believe the Maria Kip Home was also known as the Bishop Armitage Orphanage. If you want the contact name and number where I found Doris' information during the time she spent at Maria Kip Home, let me know - I have to look it up. Margie Hinton ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: "Norcal post" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 2:28 PM Subject: [NORCAL] Bishop Armtiage Orphanage With what so many of you knowing about the Jesse Ho spital, might you also know about the Bishop Armi ta ge Orphanage? It closed 1912, was Episcopalian--I have a photo of it--but I wonder if the children placed there were actually orp hans, or troubled children, or what? I have a distant relative there, and wonder whatver happened to his mum? 192 0 or maybe 1930 she was listed as a madam. ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL.  Browse by month. Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

With what so many of you knowing about the Jesse Ho spital, might you also know about the Bishop Armi ta ge Orphanage? It closed 1912, was  Episcopalian--I have a photo of it--but I wonder if the children placed there were actually orp hans, or troubled children, or what? I have a distant relative there, and wonder whatver happened to his mum? 192 0 or maybe 1930  she was listed as a madam. 1

Hi Jeremy, Thank you so much for this information. There are so many of us on this list with ancestors in this area that it will hopefully help them too. I'm also glad to be able to help with your history of the county. I have a couple of other things that may not be relevant to this list so I'll contact you off list and see what you think. Thanks again very much. Susan -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jeremy Nichols Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 9:58 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [NORCAL] Detention Home, etc., in 1930 Census I found the page in the 1930 Census, thank you. Notice that the four institutions had different addresses -- they were unrelated to each other although located not far apart. The first 8 lines of that page are taken up by what is probably Santa Rosa General Hospital, since it is on "A" Street. This was a small private hospital that preceded Santa Rosa Memorial (created in 1950 or thereabouts). The building on "A" Street still exists but is no longer used for medical purposes. As to the "Santa Rosa Baths Sanitarium," your guess is as good as mine. I would suspect it was a place where people came to "take the waters" and be cured of their gout or other diseases, for a fee. The Mary Jesse Hospital is shown as having "No residents" and "O[wned by] Mrs. Jesse. I think Dr. Jesse had died. "No residents" probably means that any patients in the hospital had homes and were enumerated there. As another lister has noted, the Mary Jesse Hospital was for patients who could afford to pay. The county hospital was primarily for indigents (although the county blew hot and cold on this issue and sometimes ordered the county physician to admit "pay patients"). An important entry is the note for the Detention Home, "O[wned] by County." I didn't know that, so it will add to my history of the county. I see that all of the "Inmates" are young, so this may be a home for juvenile delinquents, separate from the county jail, which should show up on another page of the census. Let me check with my contacts in the Sheriff's Department. I would guess that your ancestors were "young offenders." (Sorry.) Jeremy On 2/2/2012 5:08 PM, [email protected] wrote: Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 08:42:47 -0800 From: "Susan Stuart"<[email protected]> Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Mary Jesse Hospital To:<[email protected]> Jeremy, Thank you for your reply. The Enumeration District is 49-49. There is no "page" number, but a "Sheet" number: 14-A. Is that enough information for you? Susan -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jeremy Nichols Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 8:03 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [NORCAL] Mary Jesse Hospital This is interesting. The Mary Jesse Hospital was operated by Dr. James William Jesse, a former County Physician, who named the hospital after his mother (his wife was also named Mary). I didn't know about the "detention" portion. In the mid-1930s TB patients were sent to a sanitarium in Calistoga, Napa County but it's possible that they were housed locally before then. Santa Rosa regulations going back into the 1800s required that those with contagious diseases be isolated. This would have included tuberculosis. The term "inmates" simply means they were "residents," not "prisoners." The "detention" could also have been for measles or any other disease considered dangerous at that time. Please provide the Enumeration District and page number for that Census record so I can look it up. Jeremy Santa Rosa ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I found the page in the 1930 Census, thank you. Notice that the four institutions had different addresses -- they were unrelated to each other although located not far apart. The first 8 lines of that page are taken up by what is probably Santa Rosa General Hospital, since it is on "A" Street. This was a small private hospital that preceded Santa Rosa Memorial (created in 1950 or thereabouts). The building on "A" Street still exists but is no longer used for medical purposes. As to the "Santa Rosa Baths Sanitarium," your guess is as good as mine. I would suspect it was a place where people came to "take the waters" and be cured of their gout or other diseases, for a fee. The Mary Jesse Hospital is shown as having "No residents" and "O[wned by] Mrs. Jesse. I think Dr. Jesse had died. "No residents" probably means that any patients in the hospital had homes and were enumerated there. As another lister has noted, the Mary Jesse Hospital was for patients who could afford to pay. The county hospital was primarily for indigents (although the county blew hot and cold on this issue and sometimes ordered the county physician to admit "pay patients"). An important entry is the note for the Detention Home, "O[wned] by County." I didn't know that, so it will add to my history of the county. I see that all of the "Inmates" are young, so this may be a home for juvenile delinquents, separate from the county jail, which should show up on another page of the census. Let me check with my contacts in the Sheriff's Department. I would guess that your ancestors were "young offenders." (Sorry.) Jeremy On 2/2/2012 5:08 PM, [email protected] wrote: Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 08:42:47 -0800 From: "Susan Stuart"<[email protected]> Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Mary Jesse Hospital To:<[email protected]> Jeremy, Thank you for your reply. The Enumeration District is 49-49. There is no "page" number, but a "Sheet" number: 14-A. Is that enough information for you? Susan -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jeremy Nichols Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 8:03 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [NORCAL] Mary Jesse Hospital This is interesting. The Mary Jesse Hospital was operated by Dr. James William Jesse, a former County Physician, who named the hospital after his mother (his wife was also named Mary). I didn't know about the "detention" portion. In the mid-1930s TB patients were sent to a sanitarium in Calistoga, Napa County but it's possible that they were housed locally before then. Santa Rosa regulations going back into the 1800s required that those with contagious diseases be isolated. This would have included tuberculosis. The term "inmates" simply means they were "residents," not "prisoners." The "detention" could also have been for measles or any other disease considered dangerous at that time. Please provide the Enumeration District and page number for that Census record so I can look it up. Jeremy Santa Rosa

It was certainly a different time. My great grandfather and his two brothers were put into an 'orphanage' after their mother died and their father didn't have the time or inclination to care for a 5, 6 and 7 year old while he worked full time. All three of them lived there in a kind of boarding house arrangement until they were high school age. Their father was alive and well, but didn't remarry until the boys were teenagers. When the boys were in high school they returned to live with their father and his new wife. In a message dated 2/2/2012 3:29:26 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [email protected] writes: With what so many of you knowing about the Jesse Ho spital, might you also know about the Bishop Armi ta ge Orphanage? It closed 1912, was Episcopalian--I have a photo of it--but I wonder if the children placed there were actually orp hans, or troubled children, or what? I have a distant relative there, and wonder whatver happened to his mum? 192 0 or maybe 1930 she was listed as a madam. 1 ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

EdrieAnne, Thanks for your note. I haven't been able to find another thing on this place and have somehow managed to lose the link I had last night that talked about the elevator and lights as you mentioned! If I do find additional information I'll let you know. Susan -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of EdrieAnne Broughton Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 11:17 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Mary Jesse Hospital > ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a 'half-orphan,' Doris Wright, age thirteen who was placed ‘temporarily’ in Maria Kip Home for Orphans, then located at 7th Avenue and Lake Street in San Francisco, California. The Maria Kip Home for Orphans was one of several organizations where orphans and half-orphans were placed temporarily for ‘safe keeping‘ or for adoption placement. This census, enumerated on 5 June 1900, lists the 13 year old Doris Wright (birth date November 1886 California). I believe the Maria Kip Home was also known as the Bishop Armitage Orphanage. If you want the contact name and number where I found Doris' information during the time she spent at Maria Kip Home, let me know - I have to look it up. Margie Hinton ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: "Norcal post" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 2:28 PM Subject: [NORCAL] Bishop Armtiage Orphanage With what so many of you knowing about the Jesse Ho spital, might you also know about the Bishop Armi ta ge Orphanage? It closed 1912, was Episcopalian--I have a photo of it--but I wonder if the children placed there were actually orp hans, or troubled children, or what? I have a distant relative there, and wonder whatver happened to his mum? 192 0 or maybe 1930 she was listed as a madam.

Many children in orphanages, as now in our foster system still had living parent(s). If you didn't have a second parent or another relative you couldn't work. Often it was temporary, just as often it wasn't. I don't know the age that they passed out of the system in the 1930s. In 1852 that age was 14 unless they ran away first...at least in Ohio. Good luck. EdrieAnne

GAVE YOU CHECKED THE 1930 CENUS..PERHAPS IT WILL GIVE A BIT MORE. ----- Original Message ----- From: "EdrieAnne Broughton" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Mary Jesse Hospital > The Mary Jesse Hospital was one of the few private hospitals in Sonoma > county. It later became The Tanner Hospital. It was the only hospital > except for County (which was only for indigents) until Santa Rosa Memorial > was built. Mary Jesse apparently had a few idiocyncrasies. It had been a > private residence at one time and sometimes pressing the elevator would > turn off the lights in the operating room. I couldn't find any > information > on what the detention center was for, but the children were probably not > indigent. Perhaps it was a quarantine facility for healthy children if > the > parents or another sibling were in a quarantine. Let us know if you find > out something. I've done research in the Napa Gen Library but don't know > what kind of facilities Sonoma County has. > EdrieAnne > > >> > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

The Mary Jesse Hospital was one of the few private hospitals in Sonoma county. It later became The Tanner Hospital. It was the only hospital except for County (which was only for indigents) until Santa Rosa Memorial was built. Mary Jesse apparently had a few idiocyncrasies. It had been a private residence at one time and sometimes pressing the elevator would turn off the lights in the operating room. I couldn't find any information on what the detention center was for, but the children were probably not indigent. Perhaps it was a quarantine facility for healthy children if the parents or another sibling were in a quarantine. Let us know if you find out something. I've done research in the Napa Gen Library but don't know what kind of facilities Sonoma County has. EdrieAnne >

Jeremy, Thank you for your reply. The Enumeration District is 49-49. There is no "page" number, but a "Sheet" number: 14-A. Is that enough information for you? Susan -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jeremy Nichols Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 8:03 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [NORCAL] Mary Jesse Hospital This is interesting. The Mary Jesse Hospital was operated by Dr. James William Jesse, a former County Physician, who named the hospital after his mother (his wife was also named Mary). I didn't know about the "detention" portion. In the mid-1930s TB patients were sent to a sanitarium in Calistoga, Napa County but it's possible that they were housed locally before then. Santa Rosa regulations going back into the 1800s required that those with contagious diseases be isolated. This would have included tuberculosis. The term "inmates" simply means they were "residents," not "prisoners." The "detention" could also have been for measles or any other disease considered dangerous at that time. Please provide the Enumeration District and page number for that Census record so I can look it up. Jeremy Santa Rosa On 2/2/2012 12:00 AM, [email protected] wrote: > Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 23:01:21 -0800 > From: "Susan Stuart"<[email protected]> > Subject: [NORCAL] Santa Rosa: Mary Jesse Hospital - Detention > Center/Bath Sanatorium > > Hello everyone, > > I found two ancestors (sister& brother) on the 1930 census as "inmates" of > the Fifth Street part of the Mary Jesse Hospital Detention Center/Bath > Sanatorium in Santa Rosa. They are 12 and 9 years old. (The youngest child > on this record is 1 year and 4 months old.) I have searched the net and > haven't found much about this place for the 1930's. There seems to be a lot > of before and after. Was it TB? Any ideas? > > Thanks very much, > > Susan ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message