Yes, this is a tricky one though. It is not/ was not unusual for freed slaves to buy elderly or very young relatives so they would not be treated badly in slavery. I think it had something to do that if they were freed they would have to leave the state of Virginia or after a certain time period they would revert back into slavery. ________________________________ From: Alice Duncan <[email protected]> To: Dean Micha Desman <[email protected]>; [email protected] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 11:22 PM Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Slaves included in family tree Free negros sometimes had slaves. Also freed negros sometime bought their family members ,wife child from the owner. Lib Of Va. records.Also an owner might have slaves who were his progeny. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean Micha Desman" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 1:37 AM Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Slaves included in family tree I began this thread because I was following a family line back in time. When I got to 1840s-1860s of relatives in Kentucky, the census was delineating free man vs. slave. My family in Kentucky had 4 free members and 3 slaves. It seemed strange that they would appear on the census if they weren't family but now that I think about it, it would list all people on that piece of land. In one census it listed the slaves as "other relations" but it seemed clear that the slaves were not related. After several people shared their opinions, I will include the people within the census, even the slaves, bacause they were in fact slaves of the family. I shouldn't pretend like the family didn't have slaves. By the way, thank you everyone for your thoughts on the matter, Dean From: Judie Cook <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 7:32 PM Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Slaves included in family tree Try the National Archives. They are the treasure trove of info! Good luck... Judie Cook On Apr 19, 2012, at 9:52 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > You guys---I a m so glad someone started this thread--please tell me how > to find out if someone was a slave--I need info for a person born 1811 in > North Carolina--I found his son--where do I go from here? > > Donna > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marilyn Demas" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 4:37:29 PM > Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Slaves included in family tree > > Yes, and I can't begin to tell you how helpful that information has been > to me when included - for research purposes! Please do include it! > marilyn > > > > ________________________________ > From: A. Mason Design <[email protected]> > To: Dean Micha Desman <[email protected]>; [email protected] > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 1:14 AM > Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Slaves included in family tree > > In some Southern households, the slaves were indeed considered like > family. I recently transcribed letters written by a former Southerner > who was living in California in 1865 to his relatives in Mississippi. In > addition to asking his southern relatives about "white" family members > and how they'd survived the war, the man also asked about the family of > one of their slaves. > > The slave father had come to California with the white family in the > 1850s, and was freed when the family learned California was a free > state. Both parties kept in touch with one another out here, and the > white man wrote letters on behalf of his former slave so the latter > could find out what happened to his kinfolk during the Civil War. One of > the southern relatives was very upset about the bad treatment one of his > former slaves had received at the hands of reconstructionists. > > Slavery was reprehensible but some southerners really did consider their > slaves like members of the family. I would include them at least as a > footnote. > > Hope this helps, > Anita C. > Monterey County > > > Dean Micha Desman wrote: >> Hi, everyone, >> >> I was reseaching about a particular branch of my family and discovered >> that in the 1840s through 1860s they owned slaves that were included in >> their census records. The slaves were listed as ""other relations" which >> sounds more like their slaves were relatives rather than property. Owning >> slaves is pretty reprehensible. Do I want to list the slaves as part of >> my family tree? 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Indeed Traci has a great site! ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 11:30 PM Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Servant/Slaves in wills in Kentucky & a good African American web site I've also seen slaves passed on as inheritance in my Thomas Sears' will in Warren Co., Kentucky. Tracy Wilson-Kleekamp has a great web site regarding African Americans in Missouri - some of whom came to Yolo County to settle down. Afro-Americans in Missouri , Tracy L. Wilson-Kleekamp, Coordinator. http://www.usgennet.org/usa/mo/topic/afro-amer/ Peggy Perazzo Peggy B. Perazzo [email protected] Stone Quarries and Beyond http://quarriesandbeyond.org/ Yolo County CAGenWeb Project Coordinator http://www.cagenweb.com/yolo/index.htm All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by Norton AntiVirus http://www.symantec.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alice Duncan" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 8:00:16 AM Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Servant/Slave If the slave has taken the owners name, then it might help to see if he/she is in a probate as inherited "goods:" . I would not try to change the reality by listing as servant if he or she is a slave. I have seen slaves listed in probates in Lib. of Va. records, and sold at settlement of estates and who bought them. An extremely helpful book,if anyone is interested in what life was like for some free negros and slaves is The Known World by Edward P Jones. Alice D. ----- Original Message ----- From: "hum.linda" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 9:23 PM Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Servant/Slave > Hi Listers, > Perhaps listing the person as a servant to the family from year to year. > name and age, if taken the owners surname. > > ~hum.Linda~ > Words are the window to the Heart. > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Kudos for all the shows you mentioned Betty! I saw the Angela Lansbury movie too, several times in fact and love it. marilyn d. ________________________________ From: Ms Betty Fredericks <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 12:18 AM Subject: [NORCAL] Slaves as part of Family Hello, Anyone went to school hopefully learned the entire story about the "Civil War" in our country should remember the reason the war started. And hopefully the story about the "Underground Railroad" was part of the lessons to be learned. But, anyone who researchers their family-tree and had an ancestor who lived in the southern part of the U.S. between 1600's and 1800's probably had a slave living on the property of the ancestor. But, if you have watched the 2 sets of genealogy shows on TV, you know that Prof. Henry Gates of Harvard University quite often discusses slaves on his shows. And at least several of his "black" guests have found out on the show that one of their female ancestors got pregnant by their "white" owner. So, that child .was. part of the family. And a show just recently had the same type of story, but the .black. girl got pregnant by a .white. doctor in the town ! And the popular show, "Murder, She Wrote," usually goes not have a genealogy-type theme. But there have been several "Murder, She Wrote" movies. Last weekend I caught one of the movies, and the 2nd part of the title was: "The Last Free Man." It started out with a .black professor. giving a history talk which "Jessica" was attending. It came to light that "Jessica" and the female professor had a connection through their ancestors in a town in mid-1800's Virginia. Jessica's ancestor was a widow who had a male slave - who she treated like family, and she didn't know that he was part of the Underground Railroad. Unbeknownster to her, he had a wife who was pregnant. All of a sudden the slave got unjustifiably charged with murder, and eventually got killed by "bad whites." A friend of the slave took his pregnant wife on the U.R. and took her to PA. The movie went back and forth between present time and 1800's. The professor present time was a descendant of that baby born in PA. So, she and "Jessica" went on a genealogy-search to find out this whole story ! I believe that both of the genealogy TV shows (now in 3rd season) currently being shown can be viewed - on-line. In my opinion - well worth watching. Betty (near Lowell, MA) (Underground Railroad included travel to Canada) List and Board for CAN-USA-Migration ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
yES, tHIS IS bASIL cAMPBELL. tRACI & i TALKED AT LENGTH ABOUT bASIL cAMPBELL. Please forgive caps I just noticed them, marilyn Demas ________________________________ From: Marilyn Ornbaun <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 2:09 AM Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Servant/Slaves in wills in Kentucky & a good African American web site The book Zamora-Black's Station of Yolo County ,tells of a former slave who came to California with his former owner and owned about 5000 acres west of there in a few years..I believe the name was Campbell. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 8:30 AM Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Servant/Slaves in wills in Kentucky & a good African American web site > I've also seen slaves passed on as inheritance in my Thomas Sears' will in > Warren Co., Kentucky. > > Tracy Wilson-Kleekamp has a great web site regarding African Americans in > Missouri - some of whom came to Yolo County to settle down. > > Afro-Americans in Missouri , Tracy L. Wilson-Kleekamp, Coordinator. > http://www.usgennet.org/usa/mo/topic/afro-amer/ > > Peggy Perazzo > > Peggy B. Perazzo > [email protected] > Stone Quarries and Beyond > http://quarriesandbeyond.org/ > Yolo County CAGenWeb Project Coordinator > http://www.cagenweb.com/yolo/index.htm > All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by Norton AntiVirus > http://www.symantec.com/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alice Duncan" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 8:00:16 AM > Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Servant/Slave > > If the slave has taken the owners name, then it might help to see if > he/she is in a probate as inherited "goods:" . I would not try to > change the reality by listing as servant if he or she is a slave. > I have seen slaves listed in probates in Lib. of Va. records, and sold > at settlement of estates and who bought them. > An extremely helpful book,if anyone is interested in what life was like > for > some free negros and slaves is The Known World by Edward P Jones. > Alice D. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "hum.linda" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 9:23 PM > Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Servant/Slave > > >> Hi Listers, >> Perhaps listing the person as a servant to the family from year to year. >> name and age, if taken the owners surname. >> >> ~hum.Linda~ >> Words are the window to the Heart. >> >> >> >> >> ----------------------------------------- >> NORCAL ARCHIVES: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ >> Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. >> Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. >> ----------------------------------------- >> To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to >> [email protected] >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
The book Zamora-Black's Station of Yolo County ,tells of a former slave who came to California with his former owner and owned about 5000 acres west of there in a few years..I believe the name was Campbell. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 8:30 AM Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Servant/Slaves in wills in Kentucky & a good African American web site > I've also seen slaves passed on as inheritance in my Thomas Sears' will in > Warren Co., Kentucky. > > Tracy Wilson-Kleekamp has a great web site regarding African Americans in > Missouri - some of whom came to Yolo County to settle down. > > Afro-Americans in Missouri , Tracy L. Wilson-Kleekamp, Coordinator. > http://www.usgennet.org/usa/mo/topic/afro-amer/ > > Peggy Perazzo > > Peggy B. Perazzo > [email protected] > Stone Quarries and Beyond > http://quarriesandbeyond.org/ > Yolo County CAGenWeb Project Coordinator > http://www.cagenweb.com/yolo/index.htm > All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by Norton AntiVirus > http://www.symantec.com/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alice Duncan" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 8:00:16 AM > Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Servant/Slave > > If the slave has taken the owners name, then it might help to see if > he/she is in a probate as inherited "goods:" . I would not try to > change the reality by listing as servant if he or she is a slave. > I have seen slaves listed in probates in Lib. of Va. records, and sold > at settlement of estates and who bought them. > An extremely helpful book,if anyone is interested in what life was like > for > some free negros and slaves is The Known World by Edward P Jones. > Alice D. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "hum.linda" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 9:23 PM > Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Servant/Slave > > >> Hi Listers, >> Perhaps listing the person as a servant to the family from year to year. >> name and age, if taken the owners surname. >> >> ~hum.Linda~ >> Words are the window to the Heart. >> >> >> >> >> ----------------------------------------- >> NORCAL ARCHIVES: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ >> Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. >> Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. >> ----------------------------------------- >> To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to >> [email protected] >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message
Hello, Anyone went to school hopefully learned the entire story about the "Civil War" in our country should remember the reason the war started. And hopefully the story about the "Underground Railroad" was part of the lessons to be learned. But, anyone who researchers their family-tree and had an ancestor who lived in the southern part of the U.S. between 1600's and 1800's probably had a slave living on the property of the ancestor. But, if you have watched the 2 sets of genealogy shows on TV, you know that Prof. Henry Gates of Harvard University quite often discusses slaves on his shows. And at least several of his "black" guests have found out on the show that one of their female ancestors got pregnant by their "white" owner. So, that child .was. part of the family. And a show just recently had the same type of story, but the .black. girl got pregnant by a .white. doctor in the town ! And the popular show, "Murder, She Wrote," usually goes not have a genealogy-type theme. But there have been several "Murder, She Wrote" movies. Last weekend I caught one of the movies, and the 2nd part of the title was: "The Last Free Man." It started out with a .black professor. giving a history talk which "Jessica" was attending. It came to light that "Jessica" and the female professor had a connection through their ancestors in a town in mid-1800's Virginia. Jessica's ancestor was a widow who had a male slave - who she treated like family, and she didn't know that he was part of the Underground Railroad. Unbeknownster to her, he had a wife who was pregnant. All of a sudden the slave got unjustifiably charged with murder, and eventually got killed by "bad whites." A friend of the slave took his pregnant wife on the U.R. and took her to PA. The movie went back and forth between present time and 1800's. The professor present time was a descendant of that baby born in PA. So, she and "Jessica" went on a genealogy-search to find out this whole story ! I believe that both of the genealogy TV shows (now in 3rd season) currently being shown can be viewed - on-line. In my opinion - well worth watching. Betty (near Lowell, MA) (Underground Railroad included travel to Canada) List and Board for CAN-USA-Migration
Free negros sometimes had slaves. Also freed negros sometime bought their family members ,wife child from the owner. Lib Of Va. records.Also an owner might have slaves who were his progeny. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean Micha Desman" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 1:37 AM Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Slaves included in family tree I began this thread because I was following a family line back in time. When I got to 1840s-1860s of relatives in Kentucky, the census was delineating free man vs. slave. My family in Kentucky had 4 free members and 3 slaves. It seemed strange that they would appear on the census if they weren't family but now that I think about it, it would list all people on that piece of land. In one census it listed the slaves as "other relations" but it seemed clear that the slaves were not related. After several people shared their opinions, I will include the people within the census, even the slaves, bacause they were in fact slaves of the family. I shouldn't pretend like the family didn't have slaves. By the way, thank you everyone for your thoughts on the matter, Dean From: Judie Cook <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 7:32 PM Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Slaves included in family tree Try the National Archives. They are the treasure trove of info! Good luck... Judie Cook On Apr 19, 2012, at 9:52 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > You guys---I a m so glad someone started this thread--please tell me how > to find out if someone was a slave--I need info for a person born 1811 in > North Carolina--I found his son--where do I go from here? > > Donna > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marilyn Demas" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 4:37:29 PM > Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Slaves included in family tree > > Yes, and I can't begin to tell you how helpful that information has been > to me when included - for research purposes! Please do include it! > marilyn > > > > ________________________________ > From: A. Mason Design <[email protected]> > To: Dean Micha Desman <[email protected]>; [email protected] > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 1:14 AM > Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Slaves included in family tree > > In some Southern households, the slaves were indeed considered like > family. I recently transcribed letters written by a former Southerner > who was living in California in 1865 to his relatives in Mississippi. In > addition to asking his southern relatives about "white" family members > and how they'd survived the war, the man also asked about the family of > one of their slaves. > > The slave father had come to California with the white family in the > 1850s, and was freed when the family learned California was a free > state. Both parties kept in touch with one another out here, and the > white man wrote letters on behalf of his former slave so the latter > could find out what happened to his kinfolk during the Civil War. One of > the southern relatives was very upset about the bad treatment one of his > former slaves had received at the hands of reconstructionists. > > Slavery was reprehensible but some southerners really did consider their > slaves like members of the family. I would include them at least as a > footnote. > > Hope this helps, > Anita C. > Monterey County > > > Dean Micha Desman wrote: >> Hi, everyone, >> >> I was reseaching about a particular branch of my family and discovered >> that in the 1840s through 1860s they owned slaves that were included in >> their census records. The slaves were listed as ""other relations" which >> sounds more like their slaves were relatives rather than property. Owning >> slaves is pretty reprehensible. Do I want to list the slaves as part of >> my family tree? No. However, should they be included because that was >> just the way it was at that time in history? >> >> Your thoughts? >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> Dean >> > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL. 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If the slave has taken the owners name, then it might help to see if he/she is in a probate as inherited "goods:" . I would not try to change the reality by listing as servant if he or she is a slave. I have seen slaves listed in probates in Lib. of Va. records, and sold at settlement of estates and who bought them. An extremely helpful book,if anyone is interested in what life was like for some free negros and slaves is The Known World by Edward P Jones. Alice D. ----- Original Message ----- From: "hum.linda" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 9:23 PM Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Servant/Slave > Hi Listers, > Perhaps listing the person as a servant to the family from year to year. > name and age, if taken the owners surname. > > ~hum.Linda~ > Words are the window to the Heart. > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message
Hi Listers, Perhaps listing the person as a servant to the family from year to year. name and age, if taken the owners surname. ~hum.Linda~ Words are the window to the Heart.
You guys---I a m so glad someone started this thread--please tell me how to find out if someone was a slave--I need info for a person born 1811 in North Carolina--I found his son--where do I go from here? Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn Demas" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 4:37:29 PM Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Slaves included in family tree Yes, and I can't begin to tell you how helpful that information has been to me when included - for research purposes! Please do include it! marilyn ________________________________ From: A. Mason Design <[email protected]> To: Dean Micha Desman <[email protected]>; [email protected] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 1:14 AM Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Slaves included in family tree In some Southern households, the slaves were indeed considered like family. I recently transcribed letters written by a former Southerner who was living in California in 1865 to his relatives in Mississippi. In addition to asking his southern relatives about "white" family members and how they'd survived the war, the man also asked about the family of one of their slaves. The slave father had come to California with the white family in the 1850s, and was freed when the family learned California was a free state. Both parties kept in touch with one another out here, and the white man wrote letters on behalf of his former slave so the latter could find out what happened to his kinfolk during the Civil War. One of the southern relatives was very upset about the bad treatment one of his former slaves had received at the hands of reconstructionists. Slavery was reprehensible but some southerners really did consider their slaves like members of the family. I would include them at least as a footnote. Hope this helps, Anita C. Monterey County Dean Micha Desman wrote: > Hi, everyone, > > I was reseaching about a particular branch of my family and discovered that in the 1840s through 1860s they owned slaves that were included in their census records. The slaves were listed as ""other relations" which sounds more like their slaves were relatives rather than property. Owning slaves is pretty reprehensible. Do I want to list the slaves as part of my family tree? No. However, should they be included because that was just the way it was at that time in history? > > Your thoughts? > > Thanks in advance, > > Dean > ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I began this thread because I was following a family line back in time. When I got to 1840s-1860s of relatives in Kentucky, the census was delineating free man vs. slave. My family in Kentucky had 4 free members and 3 slaves. It seemed strange that they would appear on the census if they weren't family but now that I think about it, it would list all people on that piece of land. In one census it listed the slaves as "other relations" but it seemed clear that the slaves were not related. After several people shared their opinions, I will include the people within the census, even the slaves, bacause they were in fact slaves of the family. I shouldn't pretend like the family didn't have slaves. By the way, thank you everyone for your thoughts on the matter, Dean From: Judie Cook <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 7:32 PM Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Slaves included in family tree Try the National Archives. They are the treasure trove of info! Good luck... Judie Cook On Apr 19, 2012, at 9:52 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > You guys---I a m so glad someone started this thread--please tell me how to find out if someone was a slave--I need info for a person born 1811 in North Carolina--I found his son--where do I go from here? > > Donna > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marilyn Demas" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 4:37:29 PM > Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Slaves included in family tree > > Yes, and I can't begin to tell you how helpful that information has been to me when included - for research purposes! Please do include it! > marilyn > > > > ________________________________ > From: A. Mason Design <[email protected]> > To: Dean Micha Desman <[email protected]>; [email protected] > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 1:14 AM > Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Slaves included in family tree > > In some Southern households, the slaves were indeed considered like > family. I recently transcribed letters written by a former Southerner > who was living in California in 1865 to his relatives in Mississippi. In > addition to asking his southern relatives about "white" family members > and how they'd survived the war, the man also asked about the family of > one of their slaves. > > The slave father had come to California with the white family in the > 1850s, and was freed when the family learned California was a free > state. Both parties kept in touch with one another out here, and the > white man wrote letters on behalf of his former slave so the latter > could find out what happened to his kinfolk during the Civil War. One of > the southern relatives was very upset about the bad treatment one of his > former slaves had received at the hands of reconstructionists. > > Slavery was reprehensible but some southerners really did consider their > slaves like members of the family. I would include them at least as a > footnote. > > Hope this helps, > Anita C. > Monterey County > > > Dean Micha Desman wrote: >> Hi, everyone, >> >> I was reseaching about a particular branch of my family and discovered that in the 1840s through 1860s they owned slaves that were included in their census records. The slaves were listed as ""other relations" which sounds more like their slaves were relatives rather than property. Owning slaves is pretty reprehensible. Do I want to list the slaves as part of my family tree? No. However, should they be included because that was just the way it was at that time in history? >> >> Your thoughts? >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> Dean >> > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Having read the previous comments I would lean towards including the individuals who were slave as part of the family and include as much information as I could. This should help those researcher who are looking for their ancestor who were slaves. Eugene
Try the National Archives. They are the treasure trove of info! Good luck... Judie Cook On Apr 19, 2012, at 9:52 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > You guys---I a m so glad someone started this thread--please tell me how to find out if someone was a slave--I need info for a person born 1811 in North Carolina--I found his son--where do I go from here? > > Donna > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marilyn Demas" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 4:37:29 PM > Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Slaves included in family tree > > Yes, and I can't begin to tell you how helpful that information has been to me when included - for research purposes! Please do include it! > marilyn > > > > ________________________________ > From: A. Mason Design <[email protected]> > To: Dean Micha Desman <[email protected]>; [email protected] > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 1:14 AM > Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Slaves included in family tree > > In some Southern households, the slaves were indeed considered like > family. I recently transcribed letters written by a former Southerner > who was living in California in 1865 to his relatives in Mississippi. In > addition to asking his southern relatives about "white" family members > and how they'd survived the war, the man also asked about the family of > one of their slaves. > > The slave father had come to California with the white family in the > 1850s, and was freed when the family learned California was a free > state. Both parties kept in touch with one another out here, and the > white man wrote letters on behalf of his former slave so the latter > could find out what happened to his kinfolk during the Civil War. One of > the southern relatives was very upset about the bad treatment one of his > former slaves had received at the hands of reconstructionists. > > Slavery was reprehensible but some southerners really did consider their > slaves like members of the family. I would include them at least as a > footnote. > > Hope this helps, > Anita C. > Monterey County > > > Dean Micha Desman wrote: >> Hi, everyone, >> >> I was reseaching about a particular branch of my family and discovered that in the 1840s through 1860s they owned slaves that were included in their census records. The slaves were listed as ""other relations" which sounds more like their slaves were relatives rather than property. Owning slaves is pretty reprehensible. Do I want to list the slaves as part of my family tree? No. However, should they be included because that was just the way it was at that time in history? >> >> Your thoughts? >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> Dean >> > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
My feeling is that it best to quote the source and add opinion separately. You are not responsible for what any of your predecessors did. If your source had slaves as "other relations", this would well be added as comments. cheers, Gard > I?was reseaching about a particular branch of my family and > discovered that in the 1840s?through 1860s they owned slaves > that were included in their census records. The slaves were > listed as ""other relations" which sounds more like their > slaves were relatives rather than property. Owning slaves is > pretty reprehensible. Do I want to list the slaves as part > of my family tree? No. However, should they be included > because that was just the way it was at that time in > history? > ? > Your thoughts? > ? > Thanks in advance, > ? > Dean >
Yes, and I can't begin to tell you how helpful that information has been to me when included - for research purposes! Please do include it! marilyn ________________________________ From: A. Mason Design <[email protected]> To: Dean Micha Desman <[email protected]>; [email protected] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 1:14 AM Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Slaves included in family tree In some Southern households, the slaves were indeed considered like family. I recently transcribed letters written by a former Southerner who was living in California in 1865 to his relatives in Mississippi. In addition to asking his southern relatives about "white" family members and how they'd survived the war, the man also asked about the family of one of their slaves. The slave father had come to California with the white family in the 1850s, and was freed when the family learned California was a free state. Both parties kept in touch with one another out here, and the white man wrote letters on behalf of his former slave so the latter could find out what happened to his kinfolk during the Civil War. One of the southern relatives was very upset about the bad treatment one of his former slaves had received at the hands of reconstructionists. Slavery was reprehensible but some southerners really did consider their slaves like members of the family. I would include them at least as a footnote. Hope this helps, Anita C. Monterey County Dean Micha Desman wrote: > Hi, everyone, > > I was reseaching about a particular branch of my family and discovered that in the 1840s through 1860s they owned slaves that were included in their census records. The slaves were listed as ""other relations" which sounds more like their slaves were relatives rather than property. Owning slaves is pretty reprehensible. Do I want to list the slaves as part of my family tree? No. However, should they be included because that was just the way it was at that time in history? > > Your thoughts? > > Thanks in advance, > > Dean > ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I was searching for my husbands "back family" in Georgia and South Carolina. I found them...some by census and others from the National Archives. I found lists of slaves...names, ages, etc, and to whom they "belonged" or were freed by. It was not surprising to find they were slaves owners...even ministers! If you can, I would print out the slave information...screen print, etc,..and attach it to your family data. History, whether beautiful or ugly, is still fact and history! Can't change it...l Regards, Judie Cook On Apr 19, 2012, at 12:39 PM, Dean Micha Desman wrote: > Hi, everyone, > > I was reseaching about a particular branch of my family and discovered that in the 1840s through 1860s they owned slaves that were included in their census records. The slaves were listed as ""other relations" which sounds more like their slaves were relatives rather than property. Owning slaves is pretty reprehensible. Do I want to list the slaves as part of my family tree? No. However, should they be included because that was just the way it was at that time in history? > > Your thoughts? > > Thanks in advance, > > Dean > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
In some Southern households, the slaves were indeed considered like family. I recently transcribed letters written by a former Southerner who was living in California in 1865 to his relatives in Mississippi. In addition to asking his southern relatives about "white" family members and how they'd survived the war, the man also asked about the family of one of their slaves. The slave father had come to California with the white family in the 1850s, and was freed when the family learned California was a free state. Both parties kept in touch with one another out here, and the white man wrote letters on behalf of his former slave so the latter could find out what happened to his kinfolk during the Civil War. One of the southern relatives was very upset about the bad treatment one of his former slaves had received at the hands of reconstructionists. Slavery was reprehensible but some southerners really did consider their slaves like members of the family. I would include them at least as a footnote. Hope this helps, Anita C. Monterey County Dean Micha Desman wrote: > Hi, everyone, > > I was reseaching about a particular branch of my family and discovered that in the 1840s through 1860s they owned slaves that were included in their census records. The slaves were listed as ""other relations" which sounds more like their slaves were relatives rather than property. Owning slaves is pretty reprehensible. Do I want to list the slaves as part of my family tree? No. However, should they be included because that was just the way it was at that time in history? > > Your thoughts? > > Thanks in advance, > > Dean >
Dean, I think you list them in the name of historical accuracy, but as to how to list them, I do not know. Have you checked other census records of that time and area to see how others handled this? Cathy Patterson Sent from my iPad On Apr 19, 2012, at 9:39 AM, Dean Micha Desman <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, everyone, > > I was reseaching about a particular branch of my family and discovered that in the 1840s through 1860s they owned slaves that were included in their census records. The slaves were listed as ""other relations" which sounds more like their slaves were relatives rather than property. Owning slaves is pretty reprehensible. Do I want to list the slaves as part of my family tree? No. However, should they be included because that was just the way it was at that time in history? > > Your thoughts? > > Thanks in advance, > > Dean > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Dean, I think you list them in the name of historical accuracy, but as to how to list them, I do not know. Have you checked other census records of that time and area to see how others handled this? Cathy Patterson Sent from my iPad On Apr 19, 2012, at 9:39 AM, Dean Micha Desman <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, everyone, > > I was reseaching about a particular branch of my family and discovered that in the 1840s through 1860s they owned slaves that were included in their census records. The slaves were listed as ""other relations" which sounds more like their slaves were relatives rather than property. Owning slaves is pretty reprehensible. Do I want to list the slaves as part of my family tree? No. However, should they be included because that was just the way it was at that time in history? > > Your thoughts? > > Thanks in advance, > > Dean > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hi, everyone, I was reseaching about a particular branch of my family and discovered that in the 1840s through 1860s they owned slaves that were included in their census records. The slaves were listed as ""other relations" which sounds more like their slaves were relatives rather than property. Owning slaves is pretty reprehensible. Do I want to list the slaves as part of my family tree? No. However, should they be included because that was just the way it was at that time in history? Your thoughts? Thanks in advance, Dean