One can always choose to upgrade from the free cardboard box, such as basic pine, mahagony, or even metal coffins, etc. for an extra cost. From: Margie <[email protected]> To: [email protected]; [email protected] Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Military Burials, who knew? I have one for you too - my brother died in Missouri and was cremated per his wishes and they were 'sprinkled' in Bodega Bay as he wanted.  He always said his high school days at Tomales (Marin County) were his best memories.  We tried to have his military grave marker (these are free - he served in Korea and Viet Nam) placed in the Lower Lake Cemetery in Lake County where all our family has been buried since they arrived in California in the 1850s. Were we ever surprised to learn that in order to 'place a marker' without a burial of either a casket or cremated remains, we would still be liable for the $500 fee to 'probe' the area at the foot of my grandparents graves (which is where we thought it would be nice to have it)  - to see whether any other body was there.  Really???  They thought we would buy this fraud.  On top of that, we would have to pay the 'cemetery service' to 'place' the marker - another $300.  Talk about big business. Margie Hinton -----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] >Sent: Apr 21, 2012 1:30 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Military Burials, who knew? > >I am not joking when I went to the funeral home in 2008 and inquired about the cost of caskets the cheapest one they had to offer was a box for $500. To be fair they did not call it a cardboard box but that is exactly what it was. >Eugene ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Judie Cook" >To: [email protected] >Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 1:22:34 PM >Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Military Burials, who knew? > >You joke!  That is just gross.  Some poor veteran in VIrginia was treated that way some years back. There was a huge uproar, as there should have been. >Cardboard boxes simply are not acceptable. > >Judie Cook >On Apr 21, 2012, at 4:14 PM, [email protected] wrote: > >> >> >> Whoever dies first goes in first and the other spouse goes on top. If you are not picky then I would buy a cardboard box and put the individual in it. In 2008 a reinforced cardboard box cost $500. When I buried my father in 1998 the VA put his casket in a cement liner (box) with a removal top. Filled the hole up and put a headstone on top. Ten years later when my mother died the VA removed enough dirt to place another cement liner on top of the first one and put my mother casket (not a cardboard box) in it with a removal top and put the original headstone on top of her liner and then covered the hole with dirt. About a month later the VA installed a new headstone reflecting the burial of both of my parents. As a footnote although rare I have seen graves where children of veterans were also buried in a VA cemetery. This is usually done because the child was a minor when they died. >> >> >> >> Eugene >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Judie Cook" >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 11:31:16 AM >> Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Military Burials, who knew? >> >> NEXT to him, or beneath him???  Space if short, and we have understood that spouses are buried WITH...meaning on top of or under whoever is already there. Soon they'll be requiring cremation so that the spaces that are left can be more fully utilized. >> >> Judie Cook >> On Apr 21, 2012, at 1:12 PM, Bill Roddy wrote: >> >>> My father, a World War I veteran died in 1957 and is buried at the Presidio >>> National Cemetery in SF.  My mother died in 1963 and is buried next to him. >>> Bill >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>> Behalf Of hum.linda >>> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 9:53 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: [NORCAL] Military Burials, who knew? >> >> >> ----------------------------------------- >> NORCAL ARCHIVES: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ >> Enter NORCAL.  Browse by month. >> Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. >> ----------------------------------------- >> To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > >----------------------------------------- >NORCAL ARCHIVES: >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ >Enter NORCAL.  Browse by month. >Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. >----------------------------------------- >To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >----------------------------------------- >NORCAL ARCHIVES: >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ >Enter NORCAL. 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My grandfather who was a WWI vet is buried at Golden Gate Cemetery. If my grandmother wanted to be buried next to him, she would have had to have been cremated because there was a pipe going through that spot. So instead, she is buried at Hills of Eternity, about 1/2 mile a way, where her mother, grandparents and the rest of their children (all native San Franciscans) are buried. I wonder how many more generations can be buried in Colma before they run out of room there? From: hum.linda <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 9:53 AM Subject: [NORCAL] Military Burials, who knew? Hi Listers, While  I was prowling a military site, I happened on the "offical" requirements to being buried in one of the 100 national cemeteries in the USA. As long as a couple is still married at the death of the "spouce/vet", and pending the veteran's eligibility, the spouce is entitled  to be buried at a national cemetery at NO cost. The Veteran's Admin. provides burial bennefits: Opening & Closing of the gravesite; provides a grave liners ( Keeps fluid from leaking into soil) for Casket burials; a headstone or niche cover for cremated remains to be interred above ground; prepetual care of the site. Who knew? ~hum.Linda~ Words are the window to the Heart. ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL.  Browse by month. Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have one for you too - my brother died in Missouri and was cremated per his wishes and they were 'sprinkled' in Bodega Bay as he wanted. He always said his high school days at Tomales (Marin County) were his best memories. We tried to have his military grave marker (these are free - he served in Korea and Viet Nam) placed in the Lower Lake Cemetery in Lake County where all our family has been buried since they arrived in California in the 1850s. Were we ever surprised to learn that in order to 'place a marker' without a burial of either a casket or cremated remains, we would still be liable for the $500 fee to 'probe' the area at the foot of my grandparents graves (which is where we thought it would be nice to have it) - to see whether any other body was there. Really??? They thought we would buy this fraud. On top of that, we would have to pay the 'cemetery service' to 'place' the marker - another $300. Talk about big business. Margie Hinton -----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] >Sent: Apr 21, 2012 1:30 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Military Burials, who knew? > >I am not joking when I went to the funeral home in 2008 and inquired about the cost of caskets the cheapest one they had to offer was a box for $500. To be fair they did not call it a cardboard box but that is exactly what it was. >Eugene ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Judie Cook" >To: [email protected] >Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 1:22:34 PM >Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Military Burials, who knew? > >You joke! That is just gross. Some poor veteran in VIrginia was treated that way some years back. There was a huge uproar, as there should have been. >Cardboard boxes simply are not acceptable. > >Judie Cook >On Apr 21, 2012, at 4:14 PM, [email protected] wrote: > >> >> >> Whoever dies first goes in first and the other spouse goes on top. If you are not picky then I would buy a cardboard box and put the individual in it. In 2008 a reinforced cardboard box cost $500. When I buried my father in 1998 the VA put his casket in a cement liner (box) with a removal top. Filled the hole up and put a headstone on top. Ten years later when my mother died the VA removed enough dirt to place another cement liner on top of the first one and put my mother casket (not a cardboard box) in it with a removal top and put the original headstone on top of her liner and then covered the hole with dirt. About a month later the VA installed a new headstone reflecting the burial of both of my parents. As a footnote although rare I have seen graves where children of veterans were also buried in a VA cemetery. This is usually done because the child was a minor when they died. >> >> >> >> Eugene >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Judie Cook" >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 11:31:16 AM >> Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Military Burials, who knew? >> >> NEXT to him, or beneath him??? Space if short, and we have understood that spouses are buried WITH...meaning on top of or under whoever is already there. Soon they'll be requiring cremation so that the spaces that are left can be more fully utilized. >> >> Judie Cook >> On Apr 21, 2012, at 1:12 PM, Bill Roddy wrote: >> >>> My father, a World War I veteran died in 1957 and is buried at the Presidio >>> National Cemetery in SF. My mother died in 1963 and is buried next to him. >>> Bill >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>> Behalf Of hum.linda >>> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 9:53 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: [NORCAL] Military Burials, who knew? >> >> >> ----------------------------------------- >> NORCAL ARCHIVES: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ >> Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. >> Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. >> ----------------------------------------- >> To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > >----------------------------------------- >NORCAL ARCHIVES: >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ >Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. >Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. >----------------------------------------- >To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >----------------------------------------- >NORCAL ARCHIVES: >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ >Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. >Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. >----------------------------------------- >To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I disagree. I personally don't like the whole burial vault nonsense. I like green burials like there used to be or cremation. In Boise there are a couple of cemeteries who let you do a green burial. I had a friend who was Indian, he was put in his native outfit (a Canadian tribe who's name excapes me at the moment), wrapped in a blanket, placed in a pine box and buried as per his wants/instructions. I love the building in, I believe, San Francisco (Columbaria?) where all the cremation niches are. What a great way to remember someone. I also love the idea of one space for more than one burial, like a bunk bed. My german ancestors in Bremen still have a final resting place only because family have continued to pay the "rent" on the space. If that stops, the bones are dug up, placed in a building/pile and the space is then rented to another family. I'm not sure I agree with it, but it does save space. I also like the idea of allowing the spouses to be buried together. Here in Boise we have had a few who were buried then the spouse cremated and place on top in the same space after their death. My two cents worth on this fine spring day. :-) Susan Boise, Idaho, USA -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Judie Cook Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 2:23 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Military Burials, who knew? You joke! That is just gross. Some poor veteran in VIrginia was treated that way some years back. There was a huge uproar, as there should have been. Cardboard boxes simply are not acceptable. Judie Cook On Apr 21, 2012, at 4:14 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > Whoever dies first goes in first and the other spouse goes on top. If you are not picky then I would buy a cardboard box and put the individual in it. In 2008 a reinforced cardboard box cost $500. When I buried my father in 1998 the VA put his casket in a cement liner (box) with a removal top. Filled the hole up and put a headstone on top. Ten years later when my mother died the VA removed enough dirt to place another cement liner on top of the first one and put my mother casket (not a cardboard box) in it with a removal top and put the original headstone on top of her liner and then covered the hole with dirt. About a month later the VA installed a new headstone reflecting the burial of both of my parents. As a footnote although rare I have seen graves where children of veterans were also buried in a VA cemetery. This is usually done because the child was a minor when they died. > > > > Eugene

NEXT to him, or beneath him??? Space if short, and we have understood that spouses are buried WITH...meaning on top of or under whoever is already there. Soon they'll be requiring cremation so that the spaces that are left can be more fully utilized. Judie Cook On Apr 21, 2012, at 1:12 PM, Bill Roddy wrote: > My father, a World War I veteran died in 1957 and is buried at the Presidio > National Cemetery in SF. My mother died in 1963 and is buried next to him. > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of hum.linda > Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 9:53 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [NORCAL] Military Burials, who knew? > > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hopefully ALL military who are entitled to be buried in the Nation's cemeteries. We got that lesson when my husband was an Ensign in the Navy some 50 years ago! Haven't had to take them up on it yet!! :) Judie Cook On Apr 21, 2012, at 12:53 PM, hum.linda wrote: > Hi Listers, > While I was prowling a military site, I happened on the "offical" > requirements to being buried in one of the 100 national cemeteries in > the USA. As long as a couple is still married at the death of the > "spouce/vet", and pending the veteran's eligibility, the spouce is > entitled to be buried at a national cemetery at NO cost. > The Veteran's Admin. provides burial bennefits: Opening & Closing of the > gravesite; provides a grave liners ( Keeps fluid from leaking into soil) > for Casket burials; a headstone or niche cover for cremated remains to > be interred above ground; prepetual care of the site. > Who knew? > > ~hum.Linda~ > Words are the window to the Heart. > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My computer says the link is broken! You're in the clear Cathy! Judie Cook On Apr 21, 2012, at 1:37 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > In a message dated 4/21/12 10:21:51 AM, [email protected] writes: > > >> http://www.liunet.edu/cwis/cwp/library/asslvbib.htm >> > > Is it just me, or are others unable to make this link come up? > > > > Cathy > Marin Co., CA > > "There is no snooze button on a cat who wants breakfast" - unknown > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 4/21/12 10:21:51 AM, [email protected] writes: > http://www.liunet.edu/cwis/cwp/library/asslvbib.htm > Is it just me, or are others unable to make this link come up? Cathy Marin Co., CA "There is no snooze button on a cat who wants breakfast" - unknown

Page 4808 MOORE WILLIAM A P[spouse initial] 45 [yrs] 8 22 32 [DOD:22Aug1932] 32[yr filed with State:1932] 45861 [State File Number] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dee Sardoch Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 11:42 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [NORCAL] VitalSearch look-up please Greetings, Someone has asked for an obit look-up in Shasta county, giving only a month & year of death. Could some kind soul who has a Vital Search membership check for an actual death date for me, please: William Arthur Moore Died Aug 1932 Born 1887 Thanks so much! Dee ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mountain View Cemetery, 1411 W Belmont is Fresno's oldest cemetery, with 80 acres originally donated by Moses Church in 1885. Calvary Cemetery at Hughes and Franklin Ave, Fresno was established in 1895. The following organizations and cemeteries are found in the Mountain View Cemetery records: Seventh Day Adventist Church, St James Church, Calvary Catholic Church, Fresno Lodge #247 F&AM, Nippon, Knights of Pythias, I.O.O.F., Potters Field, Liberty, A.O.U.W., Thor Danish Lodge, First Christian Church, Armenian Ararat. Liberty Cemetery is Fresno's only Military Cemetery and it is within Mountain View. Contains veteran's of Civil War and Spanish American War, and veterans from later wars. Some are listed as "Indian Fighters" and the Philippine Insurrection. Some wives are buried here as well. My source is FamilySearch.org at this link. Scroll down the page to find the info about the cemeteries. https://www.familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Fresno_County,_California Hope this helps! Sheila -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cliff Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 10:20 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [NORCAL] Fresno Cemeteries Can someone on the list, tell me, how many cemeteries, in 1894, were in Fresno? Cliff ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Greetings, Someone has asked for an obit look-up in Shasta county, giving only a month & year of death. Could some kind soul who has a Vital Search membership check for an actual death date for me, please: William Arthur Moore Died Aug 1932 Born 1887 Thanks so much! Dee

Can someone on the list, tell me, how many cemeteries, in 1894, were in Fresno? Cliff

My father, a World War I veteran died in 1957 and is buried at the Presidio National Cemetery in SF. My mother died in 1963 and is buried next to him. Bill -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of hum.linda Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 9:53 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [NORCAL] Military Burials, who knew?

I have a biography for Basil Campbell,* on the Yolo County CAGenWeb Project web site that I maintain at the link below: http://www.cagenweb.com/yolo/yol_bio/yolbios-c.htm "Basil Campbell was born in Cooper County, Missouri, March 9, 1823, a slave to James G. Campbell, whose widow, Mrs. Ellen, is living with her son-in-law, Jefferson Maxwell, in this county. When thirteen years old, in September, 1836, he was sold to Joseph Stephens for $700. In 1837, Mr. Stephens died, and for some four or five succeeding years the slave-boy was put yearly up at auction, and his services for one year sold to the highest bidder...." [* Transcribed by Kathy Sedler, July 2004. (Used with permission.) Source: "Memorial and Biographical History of Northern California," The Lewis Publishing Company, 891. pg. 323-324.] Peggy Perazzo Peggy B. Perazzo [email protected] Stone Quarries and Beyond http://quarriesandbeyond.org/ Yolo County CAGenWeb Project Coordinator http://www.cagenweb.com/yolo/index.htm All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by Norton AntiVirus http://www.symantec.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn Ornbaun" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 11:09:32 AM Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Servant/Slaves in wills in Kentucky & a good African American web site The book Zamora-Black's Station of Yolo County ,tells of a former slave who came to California with his former owner and owned about 5000 acres west of there in a few years..I believe the name was Campbell. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 8:30 AM Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Servant/Slaves in wills in Kentucky & a good African American web site > I've also seen slaves passed on as inheritance in my Thomas Sears' will in > Warren Co., Kentucky. > > Tracy Wilson-Kleekamp has a great web site regarding African Americans in > Missouri - some of whom came to Yolo County to settle down. > > Afro-Americans in Missouri , Tracy L. Wilson-Kleekamp, Coordinator. > http://www.usgennet.org/usa/mo/topic/afro-amer/ > > Peggy Perazzo > > Peggy B. Perazzo > [email protected] > Stone Quarries and Beyond > http://quarriesandbeyond.org/ > Yolo County CAGenWeb Project Coordinator > http://www.cagenweb.com/yolo/index.htm > All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by Norton AntiVirus > http://www.symantec.com/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alice Duncan" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 8:00:16 AM > Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Servant/Slave > > If the slave has taken the owners name, then it might help to see if > he/she is in a probate as inherited "goods:" . I would not try to > change the reality by listing as servant if he or she is a slave. > I have seen slaves listed in probates in Lib. of Va. records, and sold > at settlement of estates and who bought them. > An extremely helpful book,if anyone is interested in what life was like > for > some free negros and slaves is The Known World by Edward P Jones. > Alice D. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "hum.linda" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 9:23 PM > Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Servant/Slave > > >> Hi Listers, >> Perhaps listing the person as a servant to the family from year to year. >> name and age, if taken the owners surname. >> >> ~hum.Linda~ >> Words are the window to the Heart. >> >> >> >> >> ----------------------------------------- >> NORCAL ARCHIVES: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ >> Enter NORCAL. 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I think those Freed Negros were given a limited time to leave the state so they would not cause those in slavery to become unmanageable From a hardcopy I have another record. "B-----,child of a free negro named L-----, to be bound to W.S. 7 Feb 1791." So I suppose B---, he effectively lost his free status . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn Demas" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 2:46 PM Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Slaves included in family tree Yes, this is a tricky one though. It is not/ was not unusual for freed slaves to buy elderly or very young relatives so they would not be treated badly in slavery. I think it had something to do that if they were freed they would have to leave the state of Virginia or after a certain time period they would revert back into slavery. ________________________________ From: Alice Duncan <[email protected]> To: Dean Micha Desman <[email protected]>; [email protected] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 11:22 PM Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Slaves included in family tree Free negros sometimes had slaves. Also freed negros sometime bought their family members ,wife child from the owner. Lib Of Va. records.Also an owner might have slaves who were his progeny. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean Micha Desman" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 1:37 AM Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Slaves included in family tree I began this thread because I was following a family line back in time. When I got to 1840s-1860s of relatives in Kentucky, the census was delineating free man vs. slave. My family in Kentucky had 4 free members and 3 slaves. It seemed strange that they would appear on the census if they weren't family but now that I think about it, it would list all people on that piece of land. In one census it listed the slaves as "other relations" but it seemed clear that the slaves were not related. After several people shared their opinions, I will include the people within the census, even the slaves, bacause they were in fact slaves of the family. I shouldn't pretend like the family didn't have slaves. By the way, thank you everyone for your thoughts on the matter, Dean From: Judie Cook <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 7:32 PM Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Slaves included in family tree Try the National Archives. They are the treasure trove of info! Good luck... Judie Cook On Apr 19, 2012, at 9:52 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > You guys---I a m so glad someone started this thread--please tell me how > to find out if someone was a slave--I need info for a person born 1811 in > North Carolina--I found his son--where do I go from here? > > Donna > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marilyn Demas" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 4:37:29 PM > Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Slaves included in family tree > > Yes, and I can't begin to tell you how helpful that information has been > to me when included - for research purposes! Please do include it! > marilyn > > > > ________________________________ > From: A. Mason Design <[email protected]> > To: Dean Micha Desman <[email protected]>; [email protected] > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 1:14 AM > Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Slaves included in family tree > > In some Southern households, the slaves were indeed considered like > family. I recently transcribed letters written by a former Southerner > who was living in California in 1865 to his relatives in Mississippi. In > addition to asking his southern relatives about "white" family members > and how they'd survived the war, the man also asked about the family of > one of their slaves. > > The slave father had come to California with the white family in the > 1850s, and was freed when the family learned California was a free > state. Both parties kept in touch with one another out here, and the > white man wrote letters on behalf of his former slave so the latter > could find out what happened to his kinfolk during the Civil War. One of > the southern relatives was very upset about the bad treatment one of his > former slaves had received at the hands of reconstructionists. > > Slavery was reprehensible but some southerners really did consider their > slaves like members of the family. I would include them at least as a > footnote. > > Hope this helps, > Anita C. > Monterey County > > > Dean Micha Desman wrote: >> Hi, everyone, >> >> I was reseaching about a particular branch of my family and discovered >> that in the 1840s through 1860s they owned slaves that were included in >> their census records. The slaves were listed as ""other relations" which >> sounds more like their slaves were relatives rather than property. Owning >> slaves is pretty reprehensible. Do I want to list the slaves as part of >> my family tree? No. However, should they be included because that was >> just the way it was at that time in history? >> >> Your thoughts? >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> Dean >> > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL. 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I've also seen slaves passed on as inheritance in my Thomas Sears' will in Warren Co., Kentucky. Tracy Wilson-Kleekamp has a great web site regarding African Americans in Missouri - some of whom came to Yolo County to settle down. Afro-Americans in Missouri , Tracy L. Wilson-Kleekamp, Coordinator. http://www.usgennet.org/usa/mo/topic/afro-amer/ Peggy Perazzo Peggy B. Perazzo [email protected] Stone Quarries and Beyond http://quarriesandbeyond.org/ Yolo County CAGenWeb Project Coordinator http://www.cagenweb.com/yolo/index.htm All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by Norton AntiVirus http://www.symantec.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alice Duncan" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 8:00:16 AM Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Servant/Slave If the slave has taken the owners name, then it might help to see if he/she is in a probate as inherited "goods:" . I would not try to change the reality by listing as servant if he or she is a slave. I have seen slaves listed in probates in Lib. of Va. records, and sold at settlement of estates and who bought them. An extremely helpful book,if anyone is interested in what life was like for some free negros and slaves is The Known World by Edward P Jones. Alice D. ----- Original Message ----- From: "hum.linda" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 9:23 PM Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Servant/Slave > Hi Listers, > Perhaps listing the person as a servant to the family from year to year. > name and age, if taken the owners surname. > > ~hum.Linda~ > Words are the window to the Heart. > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

That's great news, Judie, thank you. Donna 1 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judie Cook" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 7:32:31 PM Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Slaves included in family tree Try the National Archives.  They are the treasure trove of info! Good luck... Judie Cook On Apr 19, 2012, at 9:52 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > You guys---I a m so glad someone started this thread--please tell me how to find out if someone was a slave--I  need info  for a person born 1811 in North Carolina--I found his son--where do I go from here? > > Donna > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marilyn Demas" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 4:37:29 PM > Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Slaves included in family tree > > Yes, and I can't begin to tell you how helpful that information has been to me when included - for research purposes! Please do include it! > marilyn > > > > ________________________________ >  From: A. Mason Design <[email protected]> > To: Dean Micha Desman <[email protected]>; [email protected] > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 1:14 AM > Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Slaves included in family tree >   > In some Southern households, the slaves were indeed considered like > family. I recently transcribed letters written by a former Southerner > who was living in California in 1865 to his relatives in Mississippi. In > addition to asking his southern relatives about "white" family members > and how they'd survived the war, the man also asked about the family of > one of their slaves. > > The slave father had come to California with the white family in the > 1850s, and was freed when the family learned California was a free > state. Both parties kept in touch with one another out here, and the > white man wrote letters on behalf of his former slave so the latter > could find out what happened to his kinfolk during the Civil War. One of > the southern relatives was very upset about the bad treatment one of his > former slaves had received at the hands of reconstructionists. > > Slavery was reprehensible but some southerners really did consider their > slaves like members of the family. I would include them at least as a > footnote. > > Hope this helps, > Anita C. > Monterey County > > > Dean Micha Desman wrote: >> Hi, everyone, >>   >> I was reseaching about a particular branch of my family and discovered that in the 1840s through 1860s they owned slaves that were included in their census records. The slaves were listed as ""other relations" which sounds more like their slaves were relatives rather than property. Owning slaves is pretty reprehensible. Do I want to list the slaves as part of my family tree? No. However, should they be included because that was just the way it was at that time in history? >>   >> Your thoughts? >>   >> Thanks in advance, >>   >> Dean >>   > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL.  Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL.  Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL.  Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL.  Browse by month. Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dean, Was this anywhere near Lexington, KY.? Lexington was a major slave trading hub one might say. marilyn d. ________________________________ From: Dean Micha Desman <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Slaves included in family tree I began this thread because I was following a family line back in time. When I got to 1840s-1860s of relatives in Kentucky, the census was delineating free man vs. slave. My family in Kentucky had 4 free members and 3 slaves. It seemed strange that they would appear on the census if they weren't family but now that I think about it, it would list all people on that piece of land. In one census it listed the slaves as "other relations" but it seemed clear that the slaves were not related.   After several people shared their opinions, I will include the people within the census, even the slaves, bacause they were in fact slaves of the family. I shouldn't pretend like the family didn't have slaves.   By the way, thank you everyone for your thoughts on the matter,   Dean From: Judie Cook <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 7:32 PM Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Slaves included in family tree Try the National Archives.  They are the treasure trove of info! Good luck... Judie Cook On Apr 19, 2012, at 9:52 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > You guys---I a m so glad someone started this thread--please tell me how to find out if someone was a slave--I  need info  for a person born 1811 in North Carolina--I found his son--where do I go from here? > > Donna > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marilyn Demas" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 4:37:29 PM > Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Slaves included in family tree > > Yes, and I can't begin to tell you how helpful that information has been to me when included - for research purposes! Please do include it! > marilyn > > > > ________________________________ >  From: A. Mason Design <[email protected]> > To: Dean Micha Desman <[email protected]>; [email protected] > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 1:14 AM > Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Slaves included in family tree >  > In some Southern households, the slaves were indeed considered like > family. I recently transcribed letters written by a former Southerner > who was living in California in 1865 to his relatives in Mississippi. In > addition to asking his southern relatives about "white" family members > and how they'd survived the war, the man also asked about the family of > one of their slaves. > > The slave father had come to California with the white family in the > 1850s, and was freed when the family learned California was a free > state. Both parties kept in touch with one another out here, and the > white man wrote letters on behalf of his former slave so the latter > could find out what happened to his kinfolk during the Civil War. One of > the southern relatives was very upset about the bad treatment one of his > former slaves had received at the hands of reconstructionists. > > Slavery was reprehensible but some southerners really did consider their > slaves like members of the family. I would include them at least as a > footnote. > > Hope this helps, > Anita C. > Monterey County > > > Dean Micha Desman wrote: >> Hi, everyone, >>  >> I was reseaching about a particular branch of my family and discovered that in the 1840s through 1860s they owned slaves that were included in their census records. The slaves were listed as ""other relations" which sounds more like their slaves were relatives rather than property. Owning slaves is pretty reprehensible. Do I want to list the slaves as part of my family tree? No. However, should they be included because that was just the way it was at that time in history? >>  >> Your thoughts? >>  >> Thanks in advance, >>  >> Dean >>  > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL.  Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL.  Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL.  Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL.  Browse by month. 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This isn't a pretty way to put it but I wonder if they might show up on Assessor's Tax lists as chattel? ________________________________ From: Alice Duncan <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 11:00 PM Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Servant/Slave If the  slave  has  taken the owners name, then  it might help  to see if he/she  is  in a  probate  as  inherited "goods:" .  I  would not  try to change the reality by  listing as  servant  if  he  or she is  a  slave. I  have seen  slaves  listed in probates in Lib. of Va.  records, and sold at  settlement of  estates and  who bought them. An extremely helpful book,if anyone is  interested in what life was like for some free negros and  slaves  is The Known World by Edward  P  Jones. Alice  D. ----- Original Message ----- From: "hum.linda" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 9:23 PM Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Servant/Slave > Hi Listers, > Perhaps listing the person as a servant to the family from year to year. > name and age, if taken the owners surname. > > ~hum.Linda~ > Words are the window to the Heart. > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL.  Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL.  Browse by month. Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message