Traci is a friend of mine. We have common surnames in our families from Pike Co. MO. Very intriguing since since my family is white. Anyway, I read your referral below and it looks as though hers is an older site since many links are no longer valid. I e-mailed Traci to inform her you had referred to her site. I'm not sure if she has another more up to date site or not, but I do know she is still working on her genealogy. Her e-mail address is correct on the URL provided below, so she can be reached. Laurie Angel On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Marilyn Ornbaun wrote: > The book Zamora-Black's Station of Yolo County ,tells of a former > slave who came to California with his former owner and owned about > 5000 acres west of there in a few years..I believe the name was > Campbell. > ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 8:30 AM > Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Servant/Slaves in wills in Kentucky & a good > African American web site > > >> I've also seen slaves passed on as inheritance in my Thomas Sears' >> will in Warren Co., Kentucky. >> >> Tracy Wilson-Kleekamp has a great web site regarding African >> Americans in Missouri - some of whom came to Yolo County to settle >> down. >> >> Afro-Americans in Missouri , Tracy L. Wilson-Kleekamp, Coordinator. >> http://www.usgennet.org/usa/mo/topic/afro-amer/ >> >> Peggy Perazzo >> >> Peggy B. Perazzo >> [email protected] >> Stone Quarries and Beyond >> http://quarriesandbeyond.org/ >> Yolo County CAGenWeb Project Coordinator >> http://www.cagenweb.com/yolo/index.htm >> All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by Norton AntiVirus >> http://www.symantec.com/ >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Alice Duncan" <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 8:00:16 AM >> Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Servant/Slave >> >> If the slave has taken the owners name, then it might help to see if >> he/she is in a probate as inherited "goods:" . I would not try to >> change the reality by listing as servant if he or she is a slave. >> I have seen slaves listed in probates in Lib. of Va. records, and >> sold >> at settlement of estates and who bought them. >> An extremely helpful book,if anyone is interested in what life was >> like for >> some free negros and slaves is The Known World by Edward P Jones. >> Alice D. >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "hum.linda" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 9:23 PM >> Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Servant/Slave >> >> >>> Hi Listers, >>> Perhaps listing the person as a servant to the family from year to >>> year. >>> name and age, if taken the owners surname. >>> >>> ~hum.Linda~ >>> Words are the window to the Heart. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: >>> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ >>> Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. >>> Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. >>> ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the >>> NORCAL mailing list, send an email to >>> [email protected] >>> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please >>> send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ >> Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. >> Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. >> ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the >> NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] >> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please >> send an email to [email protected] with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> message >> >> >> ----------------------------------------- >> NORCAL ARCHIVES: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ >> Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. >> Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. >> ----------------------------------------- >> To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to >> [email protected] >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I first tried the National Archives, twice for John Cavin and once with Sherezer Waite, and got back 'sorry ,no records found". I donated a transcription of John Cavin's 2 year Civil War diary to the Military Park at Vicksburg. Almost all of the diary coverd the time John was serving with the 30th Ohio. at Vicksburg.. The park was most interested in troop movements during the siege. It didn't show the 30th's movements but It did bring out much wanted information on the Pioneer Corp's movements. John had joined that corp in the first part of the diary. From the conversations with the park personel I got the name of the firm I used to gain the much wanted war records. I think the name of the outftt was "The Horse Soldier" It is an on line Antique Store with the added research dept. Great Stuff . On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Judie Cook <[email protected]>wrote: > Jack...did you try the National Archives to get military records? I got > my father's from WW1....in maybe 2 weeks time...NO COST. Must have been a > mistake I guess that I was not charged. Then I went online to > www.footnote.com. (membership required). What a treasure trove! I like > your attitude...NEVER GIVE UP! > > Judie Cook > > On Apr 22, 2012, at 1:44 PM, Jack Graham wrote: > > > When I started researching my family tree I soon discovered my great > > grandfather John Walace Cavin was not buried in the family grave sites in > > the Auberry CA cemetery . Since he was a Civil War vet I started > contacting > > the CA GAR Orgainizations with no luck even with a state wide > > search...Since he died in Fresno Co. I contacted various county agencies > > that might be able to help. The second person I reached actually went > out > > on her lunch break, two days in a row, and located him,with his military > > marker, in the Mountain View Cametery on Belmont Ave in Fresno and not > in > > the military section, His wife,who is buried beside him had remarried > after > > his death. Her marker was provided by her serviving spouse ...and so > > marked. The search was hindered by the misspelling of his name by > inserting > > an "L" in the last name making it CALVIN. The "L" was chisiled out and it > > remains to this day CA VIN. I located his brother-in-law, after again > > exhousting all government agencies, in the Military Park in Murrietta GA > > who had his last name of Waite mispelled by dropping the "E". The only > way > > he was identified was his odd first name of Sherezer. He died of wounds > > from a battle before the nearby Battle of Atlanta. I have a son who was > > killed in service in the Gander air crash in 1985.I attended a Memorial > > service at Ft.Campbell KY.and could not make the Arlington service. When > I > > wanted to visit the the grave site I was told he was buried in San Jose > Ca > > They finally located his grave ,LAST YEAR in Arlington.I was told over > and > > over again that he was buried a a in California. > > .I spent a few dollors trying to get military records of family members > > with no luck ...None! I finally spent $35.00(each) on a private > research > > firm in VA and they have never failed to find all the records I > requested. > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > > Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. > > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > > ----------------------------------------- > > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Betty. Thank you so much. I can't remember now if I mentioned the Kidders to you in Ca.; Capt. Nathaniel Kidder for one. Off hand I don't think I saw any Black Kidder's mentioned. Isn't there a site re abolitionists and New Bedford? When I say abolitionists I know that Frederick Douglas gave his famous autobiographical speech in New Bedford MA. His speech followed that of Rev. Jeremiah Burke Sanderson. Although, he was not yet as articulate as he became later, he was really extremely well received. There were a lot of Black mariners too, one could look into the mariner lists.    Bests, marilyn ________________________________ From: Ms Betty Fredericks <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 6:42 PM Subject: [NORCAL] Web Sites for Discussing Slaves Hello,   Out of curiosity, I just went to see if there are specific Lists for discussing slaves and slave-owners.   As I suspected, there are at least 3:   http://bigfile.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/listsearch   Oh, I changed the search-term from .slave.  to .slaves.  and there are several more, including 2 for specific states, and one for Canada, and one for the Underground Railroad:   http://bigfile.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/listsearch   And, I just wanted to remind researchers that .slaves. were brought to the "New World"  back before 1600 to the "Caribbean."    And they were even in New England in 1700's.      I have the "History of Billerica, MA,"  and I'll see if I can find a reference to the town having some.       And, just an FYI, in reference to the 1500's/1600's,  I believe the entire .North America.  including the Caribbean,  was considered the "New World."   http://old.antislavery.org/breakingthesilence/main/PickandMix/03_TSTTimeline.doc   http://www.dur.ac.uk/4schools/Slavery2/Timeline.htm   (I find  "timelines" to be helpful when learning about a place in the world, or a piece of history.)   Betty               (near Lowell, MA)   (on Lists and Boards for 10 yrs.;   now an Admin for 9 Lists and 3 Boards)   (surname Lists include GAVIN and CORKILL) ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL.  Browse by month. Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jack...did you try the National Archives to get military records? I got my father's from WW1....in maybe 2 weeks time...NO COST. Must have been a mistake I guess that I was not charged. Then I went online to www.footnote.com. (membership required). What a treasure trove! I like your attitude...NEVER GIVE UP! Judie Cook On Apr 22, 2012, at 1:44 PM, Jack Graham wrote: > When I started researching my family tree I soon discovered my great > grandfather John Walace Cavin was not buried in the family grave sites in > the Auberry CA cemetery . Since he was a Civil War vet I started contacting > the CA GAR Orgainizations with no luck even with a state wide > search...Since he died in Fresno Co. I contacted various county agencies > that might be able to help. The second person I reached actually went out > on her lunch break, two days in a row, and located him,with his military > marker, in the Mountain View Cametery on Belmont Ave in Fresno and not in > the military section, His wife,who is buried beside him had remarried after > his death. Her marker was provided by her serviving spouse ...and so > marked. The search was hindered by the misspelling of his name by inserting > an "L" in the last name making it CALVIN. The "L" was chisiled out and it > remains to this day CA VIN. I located his brother-in-law, after again > exhousting all government agencies, in the Military Park in Murrietta GA > who had his last name of Waite mispelled by dropping the "E". The only way > he was identified was his odd first name of Sherezer. He died of wounds > from a battle before the nearby Battle of Atlanta. I have a son who was > killed in service in the Gander air crash in 1985.I attended a Memorial > service at Ft.Campbell KY.and could not make the Arlington service. When I > wanted to visit the the grave site I was told he was buried in San Jose Ca > They finally located his grave ,LAST YEAR in Arlington.I was told over and > over again that he was buried a a in California. > .I spent a few dollors trying to get military records of family members > with no luck ...None! I finally spent $35.00(each) on a private research > firm in VA and they have never failed to find all the records I requested. > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

When I started researching my family tree I soon discovered my great grandfather John Walace Cavin was not buried in the family grave sites in the Auberry CA cemetery . Since he was a Civil War vet I started contacting the CA GAR Orgainizations with no luck even with a state wide search...Since he died in Fresno Co. I contacted various county agencies that might be able to help. The second person I reached actually went out on her lunch break, two days in a row, and located him,with his military marker, in the Mountain View Cametery on Belmont Ave in Fresno and not in the military section, His wife,who is buried beside him had remarried after his death. Her marker was provided by her serviving spouse ...and so marked. The search was hindered by the misspelling of his name by inserting an "L" in the last name making it CALVIN. The "L" was chisiled out and it remains to this day CA VIN. I located his brother-in-law, after again exhousting all government agencies, in the Military Park in Murrietta GA who had his last name of Waite mispelled by dropping the "E". The only way he was identified was his odd first name of Sherezer. He died of wounds from a battle before the nearby Battle of Atlanta. I have a son who was killed in service in the Gander air crash in 1985.I attended a Memorial service at Ft.Campbell KY.and could not make the Arlington service. When I wanted to visit the the grave site I was told he was buried in San Jose Ca They finally located his grave ,LAST YEAR in Arlington.I was told over and over again that he was buried a a in California. .I spent a few dollors trying to get military records of family members with no luck ...None! I finally spent $35.00(each) on a private research firm in VA and they have never failed to find all the records I requested.

Cathy Marin Co., CA "There is no snooze button on a cat who wants breakfast" - unknown

Thank you Janie & Sheila! I was not aware that Family Search had put this CADI up for free - well, may have known, but forgot. (Janie, the county column says he died in county 53, which is Trinity - so that jives with you not finding him in Shasta county records - and I did check your site first. Thanks so much for the page number - really helped get there quick! :-)) I really appreciate the help - now I won't have to scroll through 21 days of newspapers to get to the time when he actually died. Take care, Dee At 12:10 PM 4/21/2012, Sheila Ruiz Harrell wrote: >Page 4808 >MOORE WILLIAM A P[spouse initial] 45 [yrs] 8 22 32 [DOD:22Aug1932] 32[yr >filed with State:1932] 45861 [State File Number] At 01:12 PM 4/21/2012, Janie wrote: >it could be wrong, but according to my site that we checked against the courthouse he isn't here. >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~shastaca/deaths/deathindex.html according to the 1905-1939 https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/show#uri=http://www.familysearch.org/searchapi/search/collection/1932433 this one it says he died in county 32, it's on page 493 > > >Janie > >Greetings, >Someone has asked for an obit look-up in Shasta county, giving only a month & year of death. Could some kind soul who has a Vital Search membership check for an actual death date for me, please: > >William Arthur Moore >Died Aug 1932 >Born 1887 > >Thanks so much! >Dee

Hi again,   Just curious if there is a difference in the history and management of cemeteries and graveyards between California and New England, for example.   People were arriving in New England .to settle.  in 1620's,  and in some graveyards in coastal towns, I believe you can find a few gravestones from 1600's.    But, in towns farther in-land you wouldn't find too many from 1600's;  they only go back to early 1700's.     Part of the reason for that is that many people were buried on their own land / own farm.    And, as time went on, and .development.  might have covered over those stones, or they got deeper into the dirt.     And, if not on their own land,  many were buried on the land surrounding the "meetinghouse" or church.      In the town I currently live in, the "Forefathers Burial Ground" is directly beside the "tall, white church" in the center - with stones right up beside the building.     The same in other towns I've visited.   For 20 years, my main researchers were on the related  KIDDER and HUTCHINSON names. *   From 1720's there was a HUTCHINSON FARM in what is now Winchester, MA.   For 100 yrs. the Farm got larger and larger.    So, some family members were buried on the farm in the 1800's.    But, when a cemetery became more available in Winchester, the families moved those burial-sites from the Farm to the Cemetery.    It might have been in 1890's when the extended family became  "land rich and money poor"  and started selling off parts of the Farm.   Also, in regard to that cemetery in Winchester,  my great-grandmother  (who I lived with in 1940's),  Mrs. Louise (RICE) KIDDER, was buried there with her estranged husband. *   When her disabled son and his wife, were passing,  they went to the same burial-site.     But, my Great-Uncle and Aunt had only one child, a son who is a special-needs adult.    There is only one spot left in that burial-site.   So, they have a dilemma to make.    My cousin and his wife want to be buried together, but they can't if they want to be buried with his parents.     But, I went to the cemetery to ask questions,  and they allow at least 4 .cremations.  in the site.     So, my cousins could be buried there, but one would need to be cremated.   In the same cemetery is a burial-site for  2  HUTCHINSON siblings who died in 1930's.    There is room for 2 more burials.   BUT,  the cemetery and no relative knows who owns that burial site.   And the Manager will not allow anyone to be buried with them - without the permission of the owner.      :o(   Just an FYI for you !   Betty             (near Lowell, MA)   * Because I lived in the Hutchinson Farmhouse in 1940's,  I referred to her as Grandma Kidder, and I knew her until she passed in 1958.    But, ~1915  Grandpa Kidder had left his wife and kids to return to his hometown near Calais, Maine.    When he died at a State Hospital in 1943,  Grandma brought his body back to Winchester to be buried.    He was G. Sanford KIDDER, b1870 near Calais, ME.    They had met in Eastport, ME, where Grandma's father had been born in 1850.

Hello,   Out of curiousity, I just went to see if there are specific Lists for discussing slaves and slave-owners.   As I suspected, there are at least 3:   http://bigfile.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/listsearch   Oh, I changed the search-term from .slave.  to .slaves.  and there are several more, including 2 for specific states, and one for Canada, and one for the Underground Railroad:   http://bigfile.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/listsearch   And, I just wanted to remind researchers that .slaves. were brought to the "New World"  back before 1600 to the "Caribbean."    And they were even in New England in 1700's.      I have the "History of Billerica, MA,"  and I'll see if I can find a reference to the town having some.       And, just an FYI, in reference to the 1500's/1600's,  I believe the entire .North America.  including the Caribbean,  was considered the "New World."   http://old.antislavery.org/breakingthesilence/main/PickandMix/03_TSTTimeline.doc   http://www.dur.ac.uk/4schools/Slavery2/Timeline.htm   (I find  "timelines" to be helpful when learning about a place in the world, or a piece of history.)   Betty               (near Lowell, MA)   (on Lists and Boards for 10 yrs.;   now an Admin for 9 Lists and 3 Boards)   (surname Lists include GAVIN and CORKILL)

In a message dated 4/21/12 12:51:18 PM, [email protected] writes: > http://www2.liu.edu/cwis/cwp/library/libhome.htm > AHA!!! Thanks Eugene! Cathy Marin Co., CA "There is no snooze button on a cat who wants breakfast" - unknown

Thanks Jodie and all others ... I hope it will soon be fixed. Sounds interesting. Cathy Marin Co., CA "There is no snooze button on a cat who wants breakfast" - unknown

I am not joking when I went to the funeral home in 2008 and inquired about the cost of caskets the cheapest one they had to offer was a box for $500. To be fair they did not call it a cardboard box but that is exactly what it was. Eugene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judie Cook" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 1:22:34 PM Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Military Burials, who knew? You joke!  That is just gross.  Some poor veteran in VIrginia was treated that way some years back. There was a huge uproar, as there should have been. Cardboard boxes simply are not acceptable. Judie Cook On Apr 21, 2012, at 4:14 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > > Whoever dies first goes in first and the other spouse goes on top. If you are not picky then I would buy a cardboard box and put the individual in it. In 2008 a reinforced cardboard box cost $500. When I buried my father in 1998 the VA put his casket in a cement liner (box) with a removal top. Filled the hole up and put a headstone on top. Ten years later when my mother died the VA removed enough dirt to place another cement liner on top of the first one and put my mother casket (not a cardboard box) in it with a removal top and put the original headstone on top of her liner and then covered the hole with dirt. About a month later the VA installed a new headstone reflecting the burial of both of my parents. As a footnote although rare I have seen graves where children of veterans were also buried in a VA cemetery. This is usually done because the child was a minor when they died. > > > > Eugene > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Judie Cook" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 11:31:16 AM > Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Military Burials, who knew? > > NEXT to him, or beneath him???  Space if short, and we have understood that spouses are buried WITH...meaning on top of or under whoever is already there. Soon they'll be requiring cremation so that the spaces that are left can be more fully utilized. > > Judie Cook > On Apr 21, 2012, at 1:12 PM, Bill Roddy wrote: > >> My father, a World War I veteran died in 1957 and is buried at the Presidio >> National Cemetery in SF.  My mother died in 1963 and is buried next to him. >> Bill >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf Of hum.linda >> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 9:53 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [NORCAL] Military Burials, who knew? > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL.  Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL.  Browse by month. Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Whoever dies first goes in first and the other spouse goes on top. If you are not picky then I would buy a cardboard box and put the individual in it. In 2008 a reinforced cardboard box cost $500. When I buried my father in 1998 the VA put his casket in a cement liner (box) with a removal top. Filled the hole up and put a headstone on top. Ten years later when my mother died the VA removed enough dirt to place another cement liner on top of the first one and put my mother casket (not a cardboard box) in it with a removal top and put the original headstone on top of her liner and then covered the hole with dirt. About a month later the VA installed a new headstone reflecting the burial of both of my parents. As a footnote although rare I have seen graves where children of veterans were also buried in a VA cemetery. This is usually done because the child was a minor when they died. Eugene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judie Cook" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 11:31:16 AM Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Military Burials, who knew? NEXT to him, or beneath him???  Space if short, and we have understood that spouses are buried WITH...meaning on top of or under whoever is already there. Soon they'll be requiring cremation so that the spaces that are left can be more fully utilized. Judie Cook On Apr 21, 2012, at 1:12 PM, Bill Roddy wrote: > My father, a World War I veteran died in 1957 and is buried at the Presidio > National Cemetery in SF.  My mother died in 1963 and is buried next to him. > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of hum.linda > Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 9:53 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [NORCAL] Military Burials, who knew?

Try this link: http://www2.liu.edu/cwis/cwp/library/libhome.htm instead of: http://www.liunet.edu/cwis/cwp/library/asslvbib.htm Eugene   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judie Cook" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 11:24:25 AM Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Slavery source link My computer says the link is broken!  You're in the clear Cathy! Judie Cook On Apr 21, 2012, at 1:37 PM, [email protected] wrote: In a message dated 4/21/12 10:21:51 AM, [email protected] writes: http://www.liunet.edu/cwis/cwp/library/asslvbib.htm Is it just me, or are others unable to make this link come up? Cathy Marin Co., CA "There is no snooze button on a cat who wants breakfast" - unknown

Hi gang, Here is another source about slavery. Issued buy the University of Louisiana, cost $45.00, by the Gwendolyn Midlo Hall. It a searchable database. Purchased from any major internet book seller. ANOTHER LINK: Mississipi State: (http://www..misstate.edu/listarchi/afrigeneas/199901/msg00142.htm> Slave bills of sale. ~hum.Linda~ Words are the window to the Heart.

Hi gang, Go to this list: <http://userb.rootsweb.com/slaves/> this is a slave/slaveowners database. enjoy. Neysa, had an interesting store of opening a crypt and finding extra folks buried inside in coffins of their own. Tese may have been the household slaves and"added" members of the family within.??? Another group (discussion) : <http://[email protected]). ~hum.Linda~ Words are the window to the Heart.

Hi gang, I had this stie bookmarked as a great research site. <http://www.liunet.edu/cwis/cwp/library/asslvbib.htm> Resources on slavery, prints out to 32 pages. It also singles out these states: Africa & Asia, Caribbean, Delaware, Georgia, Illinois, Kansas, Long Island, Louisiana, Massachuetts, Michigan, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, Pensylvania, South Carolina, Virginia, and Western States. Enjoy. ~hum.Linda~ Words are the window to the Heart.

Only if you are a Jew or Muslim can you be buried in a cloth sack and within 72 hours other than that you are at the mercy of the Mortuary/Cemetery,no noby can be taken from Morgue to a hole in the ground,no matter what you do the M/C's get a piece of the acton.

Hi Listers, While I was prowling a military site, I happened on the "offical" requirements to being buried in one of the 100 national cemeteries in the USA. As long as a couple is still married at the death of the "spouce/vet", and pending the veteran's eligibility, the spouce is entitled to be buried at a national cemetery at NO cost. The Veteran's Admin. provides burial bennefits: Opening & Closing of the gravesite; provides a grave liners ( Keeps fluid from leaking into soil) for Casket burials; a headstone or niche cover for cremated remains to be interred above ground; prepetual care of the site. Who knew? ~hum.Linda~ Words are the window to the Heart.

You joke! That is just gross. Some poor veteran in VIrginia was treated that way some years back. There was a huge uproar, as there should have been. Cardboard boxes simply are not acceptable. Judie Cook On Apr 21, 2012, at 4:14 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > > Whoever dies first goes in first and the other spouse goes on top. If you are not picky then I would buy a cardboard box and put the individual in it. In 2008 a reinforced cardboard box cost $500. When I buried my father in 1998 the VA put his casket in a cement liner (box) with a removal top. Filled the hole up and put a headstone on top. Ten years later when my mother died the VA removed enough dirt to place another cement liner on top of the first one and put my mother casket (not a cardboard box) in it with a removal top and put the original headstone on top of her liner and then covered the hole with dirt. About a month later the VA installed a new headstone reflecting the burial of both of my parents. As a footnote although rare I have seen graves where children of veterans were also buried in a VA cemetery. This is usually done because the child was a minor when they died. > > > > Eugene > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Judie Cook" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 11:31:16 AM > Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Military Burials, who knew? > > NEXT to him, or beneath him??? Space if short, and we have understood that spouses are buried WITH...meaning on top of or under whoever is already there. Soon they'll be requiring cremation so that the spaces that are left can be more fully utilized. > > Judie Cook > On Apr 21, 2012, at 1:12 PM, Bill Roddy wrote: > >> My father, a World War I veteran died in 1957 and is buried at the Presidio >> National Cemetery in SF. My mother died in 1963 and is buried next to him. >> Bill >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf Of hum.linda >> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 9:53 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [NORCAL] Military Burials, who knew? > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message