That ranks right up there will charging $25 for an obituary..........outrageous!!! Fortunately our local cemeteries not only look up the site but will take you, in a golf cart, to the plot. ----- Original Message ----- From: Barbara Brown To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Cemetery Plot Info Susan, >I have never heard of that before. Who is the person who does the look ups at >that cemetery? Perhaps it is a private group, but that is way too much to >charge for a simple look up perhaps on their computer. :( ________________________________ From: Susan Stuart <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, April 27, 2012 10:36:38 AM Subject: [NORCAL] Cemetery Plot Info Does anybody have any experience getting plot information from Lafayette Cemetery in Lafayette, Contra Costa County, CA? My husband and I are volunteers for Find A Grave and just got our first photo request for that cemetery. He called them and they said they charge $65.00 for plot look ups! We have taken photographs at many other cemeteries and never run into this before. Thanks in advance. Susan ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Susan, >I have never heard of that before. Who is the person who does the look ups at >that cemetery? Perhaps it is a private group, but that is way too much to >charge for a simple look up perhaps on their computer. :( ________________________________ From: Susan Stuart <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, April 27, 2012 10:36:38 AM Subject: [NORCAL] Cemetery Plot Info Does anybody have any experience getting plot information from Lafayette Cemetery in Lafayette, Contra Costa County, CA? My husband and I are volunteers for Find A Grave and just got our first photo request for that cemetery. He called them and they said they charge $65.00 for plot look ups! We have taken photographs at many other cemeteries and never run into this before. Thanks in advance. Susan ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Kathy, Hope your surgury came out well, and your on the road to recovery. ~hum.Linda~ Words are the window to the Heart.

Thanks to those who responded to my ancient mind question...grass widow or widower. Seldom heard of term any more. ~hum.Linda~ Words are the window to the Heart.

I just found the research tab on their website: "California Genealogical Society offers an extended research service for $30.00 per hour for non-members, and $22.50 per hour for members, with a two-hour minimum." I'll have to think hard about plunking out $60 for a little piece of data that might not even be in the directories. Paul On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Paul Puente <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks Terry. I checked their online catalog and they have 1904-1918, > 1921-24. At least they have 1917 and 1918 but unfortunately they are not > online and I am a bit too far away (Switzerland) to pop in and have a look > at them. I'll contact the society and see what their policy is on lookups. > > Paul > > > On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 5:39 PM, Terry T <[email protected]> wrote: > >> The California Genealogical Society has a lot of the older Eastbay >> directories >> >> http://www.californiaancestors.org/ >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Paul Puente <[email protected]> >> To: norcal <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thu, Apr 26, 2012 6:43 am >> Subject: Re: [NORCAL] City Directories >> >> Sheila, fascinating story about the two brothers. I'm glad we have sources >> like censuses and directories, but since they are both self-reported >> surveys with no verification, I sometimes want to yell at the people in >> them for the errors they created, but of course they are all dead so it >> doesn't do much good to get frustrated with them. Your story has given me a >> push to go back through all of the SF city directories from 1907 to 1917 >> and make a spreadsheet of all the George Thomas listings and see if I can >> track each man and his family through the 10 year period and hopefully >> beyond. I just wish there were not so many. >> >> The Husted City directories for Alameda County are complete through 1915 onarchive.org and the Polk-Husted City directories pick up in 1921 and have a >> number of years after that. But, from 1916 - 1920 there is a gap right >> where I want to search. Does anyone have another source for Alameda County >> directories in the time period? >> >> Paul >> >> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Sheila Ruiz Harrell <[email protected] >> >wrote: >> >> > I read your comment about using the city directories and I thought I'd >> > share my recent experience with city directories. >> > >> > A cousin, now deceased, did extensive work on the family and shared all >> > her papers with her daughters and various other family members. She did a >> > wonderful job, a few dates a bit off but for the most part we use her work >> > as the guide to finding supporting documents. She listed the names of her >> > uncles, her father's brothers and their birth/death dates. While using her >> > work I found that her grandfather had also listed his children when he was >> > in the Home for Disabled Volunteer Soldiers in Sawtelle, Los Angeles, CA. >> > His list of his sons was just a bit different than the list my cousin >> > prepared of her father and his brothers. >> > I started digging and was so excited to find them in the city directories! >> > I knew the first and third brothers died in 1918 so I followed two other >> > brothers in the city directories from 1920 in San Francisco all the way >> > through 1952 in San Mateo. These men were in the dry cleaning business so >> > that helped, seeing the same occupation each time I found them. >> > So far so good...two brothers, one named Vincent, or Jos.V, or JV, and his >> > wife was Dolores. The other brother was Rey/Ray and his wife was listed as >> > Laura. The two were listed in the same directories, usually one below the >> > other, both as in the cleaning business, for the same company. One listed >> > with an address with the letter "h" that I thought indicated his home, and >> > the other with the letter "r" which I thought meant renter. But ya know >> > what? There was only ONE guy...not two! >> > >> > Joseph Vincent often went by the family nickname he was given as "Rey" and >> > his wife was Maria Dolores who often used a nickname of Laura, probably >> > Lora but written as Laura. So for all the entries in the city directories >> > listing two men and two different wives' names...there was only one person. >> > The original papers I had listed this guy as John. His father listed him as >> > Benson which was what the person wrote as they heard a heavy Spanish accent >> > saying Vincent. Luckily the address for Benson matched an address for Jos.V >> > in the city directory. His WWI Draft info listed him as Joseph Vincent and >> > his wife was "Mary D". I had hoped a death record might solve the mystery >> > but he's listed as Joseph R! >> > >> > So my point here is don't give up on finding your guy in the city >> > directory...even though there are several with the same name, and the same >> > spouse's name...it could be the same person. My guess is that the info was >> > collected by several people and just added together causing the rest of us >> > to go nuts years later! >> > Good Luck, >> > Sheila ... who spent nearly a week tracking two, when there was only one! >> > >> > >> >> >> ----------------------------------------- >> NORCAL ARCHIVES: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ >> Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. >> Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. >> ----------------------------------------- >> To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of >> the message >> >> >

Thanks Terry. I checked their online catalog and they have 1904-1918, 1921-24. At least they have 1917 and 1918 but unfortunately they are not online and I am a bit too far away (Switzerland) to pop in and have a look at them. I'll contact the society and see what their policy is on lookups. Paul On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 5:39 PM, Terry T <[email protected]> wrote: > The California Genealogical Society has a lot of the older Eastbay > directories > > http://www.californiaancestors.org/ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Puente <[email protected]> > To: norcal <[email protected]> > Sent: Thu, Apr 26, 2012 6:43 am > Subject: Re: [NORCAL] City Directories > > Sheila, fascinating story about the two brothers. I'm glad we have sources > like censuses and directories, but since they are both self-reported > surveys with no verification, I sometimes want to yell at the people in > them for the errors they created, but of course they are all dead so it > doesn't do much good to get frustrated with them. Your story has given me a > push to go back through all of the SF city directories from 1907 to 1917 > and make a spreadsheet of all the George Thomas listings and see if I can > track each man and his family through the 10 year period and hopefully > beyond. I just wish there were not so many. > > The Husted City directories for Alameda County are complete through 1915 onarchive.org and the Polk-Husted City directories pick up in 1921 and have a > number of years after that. But, from 1916 - 1920 there is a gap right > where I want to search. Does anyone have another source for Alameda County > directories in the time period? > > Paul > > On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Sheila Ruiz Harrell <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > I read your comment about using the city directories and I thought I'd > > share my recent experience with city directories. > > > > A cousin, now deceased, did extensive work on the family and shared all > > her papers with her daughters and various other family members. She did a > > wonderful job, a few dates a bit off but for the most part we use her work > > as the guide to finding supporting documents. She listed the names of her > > uncles, her father's brothers and their birth/death dates. While using her > > work I found that her grandfather had also listed his children when he was > > in the Home for Disabled Volunteer Soldiers in Sawtelle, Los Angeles, CA. > > His list of his sons was just a bit different than the list my cousin > > prepared of her father and his brothers. > > I started digging and was so excited to find them in the city directories! > > I knew the first and third brothers died in 1918 so I followed two other > > brothers in the city directories from 1920 in San Francisco all the way > > through 1952 in San Mateo. These men were in the dry cleaning business so > > that helped, seeing the same occupation each time I found them. > > So far so good...two brothers, one named Vincent, or Jos.V, or JV, and his > > wife was Dolores. The other brother was Rey/Ray and his wife was listed as > > Laura. The two were listed in the same directories, usually one below the > > other, both as in the cleaning business, for the same company. One listed > > with an address with the letter "h" that I thought indicated his home, and > > the other with the letter "r" which I thought meant renter. But ya know > > what? There was only ONE guy...not two! > > > > Joseph Vincent often went by the family nickname he was given as "Rey" and > > his wife was Maria Dolores who often used a nickname of Laura, probably > > Lora but written as Laura. So for all the entries in the city directories > > listing two men and two different wives' names...there was only one person. > > The original papers I had listed this guy as John. His father listed him as > > Benson which was what the person wrote as they heard a heavy Spanish accent > > saying Vincent. Luckily the address for Benson matched an address for Jos.V > > in the city directory. His WWI Draft info listed him as Joseph Vincent and > > his wife was "Mary D". I had hoped a death record might solve the mystery > > but he's listed as Joseph R! > > > > So my point here is don't give up on finding your guy in the city > > directory...even though there are several with the same name, and the same > > spouse's name...it could be the same person. My guess is that the info was > > collected by several people and just added together causing the rest of us > > to go nuts years later! > > Good Luck, > > Sheila ... who spent nearly a week tracking two, when there was only one! > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > >

Cathy It may be Greek. Notice the middle name of Maximus is Roman. It may have been fashionable at one time to give a Greek first name and Roman middle name. See here for a discussion of HuAlpha: http://en.allexperts.com/q/Greek-2004/spell-write-name-greek.htm Also, you probably have the following but I thought I would pass it along anyhow: "*HuALPHA Maximus Lentz. Bom April 20, 1851, near Statesville, N. C, Parents, Jacob and Catharine. Prepared at Catawba High School, Newton, N. C., Entered P'reshman, 1874. Residence, Stony Point, Alexander county, N. C. Phrenakosmian. Editor Monthly, 1877. Linnsean. Phi Delta Theta. Third honor Proctor, Alma Mater, 1878-80. Theological course, Gettysburg. Ordained, 1 88 1 Pastor, Mt. Morris, Ogle county. 111., 1881*." Paul On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 8:51 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > I have just discovered that my H. Max Lentz (1851-19??) was fully named > Hualpha Max Lentz. In exploring Ancestry I see that the name is not unique. > Still, I've never seen it before, so far as I can remember. > > Anybody have an idea as to its meaning/origin? > > > > Cathy > Marin Co., CA > > "There is no snooze button on a cat who wants breakfast" - unknown > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Susan,as a former member of two cemetery districts we and most others when contacted conveyed the info asked for On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 10:35 AM, Susan Stuart <[email protected]> wrote: > Does anybody have any experience getting plot information from Lafayette > Cemetery in Lafayette, Contra Costa County, CA? > > > > My husband and I are volunteers for Find A Grave and just got our first > photo request for that cemetery. He called them and they said they charge > $65.00 for plot look ups! We have taken photographs at many other > cemeteries and never run into this before. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Susan > > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Does anybody have any experience getting plot information from Lafayette Cemetery in Lafayette, Contra Costa County, CA? My husband and I are volunteers for Find A Grave and just got our first photo request for that cemetery. He called them and they said they charge $65.00 for plot look ups! We have taken photographs at many other cemeteries and never run into this before. Thanks in advance. Susan

Thank you, Linda.  Had a full knee replacement on Monday a.m. and was doing physical therapy that afternoon.  Just saw the home health nurse, and everything seems to be going well. Kathy ________________________________ From: hum.linda <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 9:18 AM Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Get Well, Kathy Kathy, Hope your surgury came out well, and your on the road to  recovery. ~hum.Linda~ Words are the window to the Heart. ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL.  Browse by month. Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Paul, I missed most of this conversation about Alameda Directories but the State Library has Alameda directories on microfilm don't they? What about SUTRO? Sorry but no way I'd be paying $60. for a City dir look up. Wish I could check for you but I just have too much on my plate right now. marilyn ________________________________ From: Paul Puente <[email protected]> To: norcal <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [NORCAL] City Directories I just found the research tab on their website: "California Genealogical Society offers an extended research service for $30.00 per hour for non-members, and $22.50 per hour for members, with a two-hour minimum." I'll have to think hard about plunking out $60 for a little piece of data that might not even be in the directories. Paul On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Paul Puente <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks Terry. I checked their online catalog and they have 1904-1918, > 1921-24. At least they have 1917 and 1918 but unfortunately they are not > online and I am a bit too far away (Switzerland) to pop in and have a look > at them. I'll contact the society and see what their policy is on lookups. > > Paul > > > On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 5:39 PM, Terry T <[email protected]> wrote: > >> The California Genealogical Society has a lot of the older Eastbay >> directories >> >>  http://www.californiaancestors.org/ >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Paul Puente <[email protected]> >> To: norcal <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thu, Apr 26, 2012 6:43 am >> Subject: Re: [NORCAL] City Directories >> >>  Sheila, fascinating story about the two brothers. I'm glad we have sources >> like censuses and directories, but since they are both self-reported >> surveys with no verification, I sometimes want to yell at the people in >> them for the errors they created, but of course they are all dead so it >> doesn't do much good to get frustrated with them. Your story has given me a >> push to go back through all of the SF city directories from 1907 to 1917 >> and make a spreadsheet of all the George Thomas listings and see if I can >> track each man and his family through the 10 year period and hopefully >> beyond. I just wish there were not so many. >> >> The Husted City directories for Alameda County are complete through 1915 onarchive.org and the Polk-Husted City directories pick up in 1921 and have a >> number of years after that. But, from 1916 - 1920 there is a gap right >> where I want to search. Does anyone have another source for Alameda County >> directories in the time period? >> >> Paul >> >> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Sheila Ruiz Harrell <[email protected] >> >wrote: >> >> > I read your comment about using the city directories and I thought I'd >> > share my recent experience with city directories. >> > >> > A cousin, now deceased, did extensive work on the family and shared all >> > her papers with her daughters and various other family members. She did a >> > wonderful job, a few dates a bit off but for the most part we use her work >> > as the guide to finding supporting documents. She listed the names of her >> > uncles, her father's brothers and their birth/death dates. While using her >> > work I found that her grandfather had also listed his children when he was >> > in the Home for Disabled Volunteer Soldiers in Sawtelle, Los Angeles, CA. >> > His list of his sons was just a bit different than the list my cousin >> > prepared of her father and his brothers. >> > I started digging and was so excited to find them in the city directories! >> > I knew the first and third brothers died in 1918 so I followed two other >> > brothers in the city directories from 1920 in San Francisco all the way >> > through 1952 in San Mateo. These men were in the dry cleaning business so >> > that helped, seeing the same occupation each time I found them. >> > So far so good...two brothers, one named Vincent, or Jos.V, or JV, and his >> > wife was Dolores. The other brother was Rey/Ray and his wife was listed as >> > Laura. The two were listed in the same directories, usually one below the >> > other, both as in the cleaning business, for the same company. One listed >> > with an address with the letter "h" that I thought indicated his home, and >> > the other with the letter "r" which I thought meant renter. But ya know >> > what? There was only ONE guy...not two! >> > >> > Joseph Vincent often went by the family nickname he was given as "Rey" and >> > his wife was Maria Dolores who often used a nickname of Laura, probably >> > Lora but written as Laura. So for all the entries in the city directories >> > listing two men and two different wives' names...there was only one person. >> > The original papers I had listed this guy as John. His father listed him as >> > Benson which was what the person wrote as they heard a heavy Spanish accent >> > saying Vincent. Luckily the address for Benson matched an address for Jos.V >> > in the city directory. His WWI Draft info listed him as Joseph Vincent and >> > his wife was "Mary D". I had hoped a death record might solve the mystery >> > but he's listed as Joseph R! >> > >> > So my point here is don't give up on finding your guy in the city >> > directory...even though there are several with the same name, and the same >> > spouse's name...it could be the same person. My guess is that the info was >> > collected by several people and just added together causing the rest of us >> > to go nuts years later! >> > Good Luck, >> > Sheila ... who spent nearly a week tracking two, when there was only one! >> > >> > >> >> >> ----------------------------------------- >> NORCAL ARCHIVES: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ >> Enter NORCAL.  Browse by month. >> Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. >> ----------------------------------------- >> To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of >> the message >> >> > ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL.  Browse by month. Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Eugene ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROLAND ELLIOTT" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 10:27:35 AM Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Grass widow's My Hero On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 9:45 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > grass widower > > n. > > 1. A man who is divorced or separated from his wife. > > 2. A man whose wife is temporarily absent. > > The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition > copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2009. Published by > Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > grass widower > > n. > > 1. a man divorced, separated, or living away from his spouse > > 2. a man whose spouse is regularly away for short periods > > Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged © HarperCollins > Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003 > > Eugene ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "hum.linda" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 9:33:25 AM > Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Grass widow's > > What do they call a man when he does this? > > ~hum.Linda~ > Words are the window to the Heart.

On Apr 25, 2012, at 12:45 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > > grass widower > > n. > > 1. A man who is divorced or separated from his wife. > > 2. A man whose wife is temporarily absent. > > The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2009. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > grass widower > > n. > > 1. a man divorced, separated, or living away from his spouse > > 2. a man whose spouse is regularly away for short periods > > Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003 > > Eugene ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "hum.linda" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 9:33:25 AM > Subject: Re: [NORCAL] Grass widow's > > What do they call a man when he does this? > > ~hum.Linda~ > Words are the window to the Heart. > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----------------------------------------- > NORCAL ARCHIVES: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. > Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. > ----------------------------------------- > To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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Sheila, fascinating story about the two brothers. I'm glad we have sources like censuses and directories, but since they are both self-reported surveys with no verification, I sometimes want to yell at the people in them for the errors they created, but of course they are all dead so it doesn't do much good to get frustrated with them. Your story has given me a push to go back through all of the SF city directories from 1907 to 1917 and make a spreadsheet of all the George Thomas listings and see if I can track each man and his family through the 10 year period and hopefully beyond. I just wish there were not so many. The Husted City directories for Alameda County are complete through 1915 on archive.org and the Polk-Husted City directories pick up in 1921 and have a number of years after that. But, from 1916 - 1920 there is a gap right where I want to search. Does anyone have another source for Alameda County directories in the time period? Paul On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Sheila Ruiz Harrell <[email protected]>wrote: > I read your comment about using the city directories and I thought I'd > share my recent experience with city directories. > > A cousin, now deceased, did extensive work on the family and shared all > her papers with her daughters and various other family members. She did a > wonderful job, a few dates a bit off but for the most part we use her work > as the guide to finding supporting documents. She listed the names of her > uncles, her father's brothers and their birth/death dates. While using her > work I found that her grandfather had also listed his children when he was > in the Home for Disabled Volunteer Soldiers in Sawtelle, Los Angeles, CA. > His list of his sons was just a bit different than the list my cousin > prepared of her father and his brothers. > I started digging and was so excited to find them in the city directories! > I knew the first and third brothers died in 1918 so I followed two other > brothers in the city directories from 1920 in San Francisco all the way > through 1952 in San Mateo. These men were in the dry cleaning business so > that helped, seeing the same occupation each time I found them. > So far so good...two brothers, one named Vincent, or Jos.V, or JV, and his > wife was Dolores. The other brother was Rey/Ray and his wife was listed as > Laura. The two were listed in the same directories, usually one below the > other, both as in the cleaning business, for the same company. One listed > with an address with the letter "h" that I thought indicated his home, and > the other with the letter "r" which I thought meant renter. But ya know > what? There was only ONE guy...not two! > > Joseph Vincent often went by the family nickname he was given as "Rey" and > his wife was Maria Dolores who often used a nickname of Laura, probably > Lora but written as Laura. So for all the entries in the city directories > listing two men and two different wives' names...there was only one person. > The original papers I had listed this guy as John. His father listed him as > Benson which was what the person wrote as they heard a heavy Spanish accent > saying Vincent. Luckily the address for Benson matched an address for Jos.V > in the city directory. His WWI Draft info listed him as Joseph Vincent and > his wife was "Mary D". I had hoped a death record might solve the mystery > but he's listed as Joseph R! > > So my point here is don't give up on finding your guy in the city > directory...even though there are several with the same name, and the same > spouse's name...it could be the same person. My guess is that the info was > collected by several people and just added together causing the rest of us > to go nuts years later! > Good Luck, > Sheila ... who spent nearly a week tracking two, when there was only one! > >

I have just discovered that my H. Max Lentz (1851-19??) was fully named Hualpha Max Lentz. In exploring Ancestry I see that the name is not unique. Still, I've never seen it before, so far as I can remember. Anybody have an idea as to its meaning/origin? Cathy Marin Co., CA "There is no snooze button on a cat who wants breakfast" - unknown

Grass widower. Teach me to try and type too soon after surgery. :-) ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Kathy Minges <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [NORCAL] George Thomas b. 1887 California I've also seen the term used, tongue in cheek, to describe husbands whose families spent the summer on the central California coast rather that tough it out in the pre air conditioning days of the Central Valley. ________________________________ From: Mildred Starr <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [NORCAL] George Thomas b. 1887 California The term 'grass widow' refers to a divorcee.  So in fact they may not have been lying at all.  They just left out the adjective. ________________________________ From: Margaret Toole <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Sent: Tue, April 24, 2012 10:59:46 AM Subject: Re: [NORCAL] George Thomas b. 1887 California > > The second issue is one I have seen on several occasions in the late > 19th > and early 20th centuries. The heads of household, women in particular, > would lie to a census taker that they were widowed when in fact they > were > divorced to avoid the stigma of divorce and the gossip of neighbors. > Census > takers were not always discrete. How many of you have seen this in > your own > research? > > Again, many thanks > > Paul > Hi Paul.  My husbands ggrandmother said she had been "married" a second time to cover up the fact that she had an illegitimate daughter.  Her husband died of the flu in 1918 and in 1920 she was a housekeeper for two men.  She had a daughter shortly thereafter.  By 1930 she was no longer Jennie COLLINS but Jennie BARNES.  I have found no sign of Mr. BARNES. Margaret ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL.  Browse by month. Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL.  Browse by month. Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL.  Browse by month. Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I've also seen the term used, tongue in cheek, to describe husbands whose families spent the summer on the central California coast rather that tough it out in the pre air conditioning days of the Central Valley. ________________________________ From: Mildred Starr <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [NORCAL] George Thomas b. 1887 California The term 'grass widow' refers to a divorcee.  So in fact they may not have been lying at all.  They just left out the adjective. ________________________________ From: Margaret Toole <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Sent: Tue, April 24, 2012 10:59:46 AM Subject: Re: [NORCAL] George Thomas b. 1887 California > > The second issue is one I have seen on several occasions in the late > 19th > and early 20th centuries. The heads of household, women in particular, > would lie to a census taker that they were widowed when in fact they > were > divorced to avoid the stigma of divorce and the gossip of neighbors. > Census > takers were not always discrete. How many of you have seen this in > your own > research? > > Again, many thanks > > Paul > Hi Paul.  My husbands ggrandmother said she had been "married" a second time to cover up the fact that she had an illegitimate daughter.  Her husband died of the flu in 1918 and in 1920 she was a housekeeper for two men.  She had a daughter shortly thereafter.  By 1930 she was no longer Jennie COLLINS but Jennie BARNES.  I have found no sign of Mr. BARNES. Margaret ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL.  Browse by month. Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL.  Browse by month. Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The California Genealogical Society has a lot of the older Eastbay directories http://www.californiaancestors.org/ -----Original Message----- From: Paul Puente <[email protected]> To: norcal <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, Apr 26, 2012 6:43 am Subject: Re: [NORCAL] City Directories Sheila, fascinating story about the two brothers. I'm glad we have sources like censuses and directories, but since they are both self-reported surveys with no verification, I sometimes want to yell at the people in them for the errors they created, but of course they are all dead so it doesn't do much good to get frustrated with them. Your story has given me a push to go back through all of the SF city directories from 1907 to 1917 and make a spreadsheet of all the George Thomas listings and see if I can track each man and his family through the 10 year period and hopefully beyond. I just wish there were not so many. The Husted City directories for Alameda County are complete through 1915 on archive.org and the Polk-Husted City directories pick up in 1921 and have a number of years after that. But, from 1916 - 1920 there is a gap right where I want to search. Does anyone have another source for Alameda County directories in the time period? Paul On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Sheila Ruiz Harrell <[email protected]>wrote: > I read your comment about using the city directories and I thought I'd > share my recent experience with city directories. > > A cousin, now deceased, did extensive work on the family and shared all > her papers with her daughters and various other family members. She did a > wonderful job, a few dates a bit off but for the most part we use her work > as the guide to finding supporting documents. She listed the names of her > uncles, her father's brothers and their birth/death dates. While using her > work I found that her grandfather had also listed his children when he was > in the Home for Disabled Volunteer Soldiers in Sawtelle, Los Angeles, CA. > His list of his sons was just a bit different than the list my cousin > prepared of her father and his brothers. > I started digging and was so excited to find them in the city directories! > I knew the first and third brothers died in 1918 so I followed two other > brothers in the city directories from 1920 in San Francisco all the way > through 1952 in San Mateo. These men were in the dry cleaning business so > that helped, seeing the same occupation each time I found them. > So far so good...two brothers, one named Vincent, or Jos.V, or JV, and his > wife was Dolores. The other brother was Rey/Ray and his wife was listed as > Laura. The two were listed in the same directories, usually one below the > other, both as in the cleaning business, for the same company. One listed > with an address with the letter "h" that I thought indicated his home, and > the other with the letter "r" which I thought meant renter. But ya know > what? There was only ONE guy...not two! > > Joseph Vincent often went by the family nickname he was given as "Rey" and > his wife was Maria Dolores who often used a nickname of Laura, probably > Lora but written as Laura. So for all the entries in the city directories > listing two men and two different wives' names...there was only one person. > The original papers I had listed this guy as John. His father listed him as > Benson which was what the person wrote as they heard a heavy Spanish accent > saying Vincent. Luckily the address for Benson matched an address for Jos.V > in the city directory. His WWI Draft info listed him as Joseph Vincent and > his wife was "Mary D". I had hoped a death record might solve the mystery > but he's listed as Joseph R! > > So my point here is don't give up on finding your guy in the city > directory...even though there are several with the same name, and the same > spouse's name...it could be the same person. My guess is that the info was > collected by several people and just added together causing the rest of us > to go nuts years later! > Good Luck, > Sheila ... who spent nearly a week tracking two, when there was only one! > > ----------------------------------------- NORCAL ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Enter NORCAL. Browse by month. Or click the "Search all archives" link to search by keyword. ----------------------------------------- To post a message to the NORCAL mailing list, send an email to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Paul, Thanks for taking the time to write and put up this message! This has indeed been a great bunch of comments and I have enjoyed it as well. Thanks for starting it! Okay, the Grass Roots Widows: We have to wait until May 29th for their new album to come out . . . maybe it will be more impressive than what is on their site now . . . Susan -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Paul Puente Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 2:56 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NORCAL] George Thomas b. 1887 California This is best and most active list I belong to and I have enjoyed all of your comments. I really liked the discussion about grass widows. I never knew such a term existed so of course I had to look it up. 1. A woman who is divorced or separated from her husband. 2. A woman whose husband is temporarily absent. 3. An abandoned mistress. 4. The mother of a child born out of wedlock. Plus a few other variations on the same theme. There is even a three woman band by that name: http://www.grasswidow.org/blog.php I wonder what category they fall into.