All records point to Valdres for birth of my ggrandfather on April 11, 1852, (according to confirmation) 1851 according to obituary and death certificate) I wrote to Norway and got the following answer: "We have searched the parish registers of Svenes, Aurdal and Ulnes - but could not find the baptismal of Carl Johan. However; In the parish register of Nord-Aurdal, Svenes, 5, 1842-1863, page 263, we have found that a woman named Ingebor Gulbrdr. (Næsen), age 32, on February 10, 1852, emigrated to Amerika. We have not found a person with the name Knud Rye in the same list,. There is then a possibility, that Ingeborg (if this is the "right" Ingeborg) gave birth to Carl Johan in Amerika - and that he was baptized there." -------------------- A cousin in Utah went to Salt Lake City and found the following: (I highly suspect this is the line I will check out, Johanne the wife/mother is in 1801 census in Vardal on Braasted , Gulbrand the husband/father is not in Vardal in 1801, I suspect he was born in Nord Aurdal and later moved to Vardal.) "Margit, I think I have solved the mystery of Ingeborg, nothing on Carl Johan however. I checked the parish records today for Svenes and Ulnes and all of Nord Aurdal, here's what I found and I'll send pictures. First of all she was not born in Svenes or Ulnes and neither was her brother Gulbrand, when I couldn't find a birth record I thought about checking confirmation records, they were not confirmed in Svenes either, so I thought that vaccination records are kept for the whole county so I checked those and found a Ingeborg Gulbrandsdatter vaccination in Vardal in June of 1822 or 1824, her parents are Gulbrand Gulbrandsen and Johanna Pedersdatter, then I figured out that we knew that Gulbrand got married in Svenes so I checked Svenes moving in records and there was Gulbrand in 1844 moving in from Vardal, it said he was born in April of 1829, so I checked the IGI and Gulbrand and Johanna in Vardal, Oppland have 4 children, 2 Ingeborgs 1 Gulbrand and 1 Peter, it has to be them, I can really feel it. I didn't find Gulbrand's family moving into Svenes, but I don't know how far Vardal is from there. Vardal and Svenes are both listed as parishes in Nord-Aurdal. Let me know what you think. I'm really sure this is her family. Oh and I didn't have time to check marriage records for Knud in Vardal, but there's always a next time. On the vaccination record she is third from the bottom." ----------------------- So therefore I am thinking that my ggrandfather Carl Johan's father was a Knud Rye from Valdres/Svenes and that his parents were never married. That my GG Grandmother left Norway either with the child or pregnant with the child. More records will have to be checked, but that is where I am at this time on "GG Grandma who got run over by a train and her death certificate says "Her brain went queer for her" as a reason for her death. Margit On Aug 7, 2006, at 8:50 AM, Margit wrote: > Hi all, > I have an update on my Ingebor below as I went to Houston County > Minnesota last week to do some research. I found the confirmation > record of my great grandfather and it stated the following for his > confirmation on October 7, 1866. > > Carl Johan Knudsen born April 11, 1852 in Valdres > Parents listed as: > Ingebor Gulbrandsdatter > Knud Rye (listed as dead in the record) > > I am suspecting they came from Svenes, does anyone have any Bygdeboks > for that area of Norway? Or would anyone know anything about the Rye > Gård in the Valdres area? > > Thanks much for any input. > Margit