> -----Original Message----- > From: Helge Hålåsæter [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 9:26 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Opp] Valleys of Oppland > > Dear John Morten, > I am from Heidal and I am from Gudbrandsdalen, too. The 4 side valleys > are always considered to be a part of Gudbrandsdalen. > Helge Hålåsæter, Otta Hei Helge, I doubt you would use the term "Gudbrandsdalene" in the plural form the way it is written in the Wikipedia. If you go back to the original thread, you will find that the expression is used in this form only for one article related to Heidal and one related to Sjoa. You mention that 4 of the side valleys should be included in this expression, while the Wikipedia only uses it for these two. If you do a Google lookup on the same expression you will find that the expression "Gudbrandsdalene" in addition to the Wikipedia is used in: www.answers.com (straight copy of the Wikipedia article), www.homestayfinder.com (another copy of the Wikipedia article), www.karen.holtsmark.no (which is a private page dealing with art), http://heidal.komixcity.sk (copy of the Wikipedia article), http://spiderbites.about.com (copy of the Wikipedia article), www.absoluteastronomy.com (removed copy of the Wikipedia article), Out of the links shown here, there is only one Norwegian link, all the other sites are maintained outside the country. The single Norwegian site is a private site which would not constitute a source for this expression. I have consulted Norwegian Mapping and Cadastrial Authority (Statens Kartverk, see www.statskart.no). They have confirmed that the term "Gudbrandsdalene" in plural is unknown to them, and from what they can see no such term has been used. They also informed that the various valleys are defined as separate areas, and that they have also defined the geographical borders between them. Whether the set borders always are in accordance with the local traditions for them is, according to the same authority, a matter of recurring discussions with municipalities and local organisations. I asked the authority if the term "Gudbrandsdalene" could be used to describe a district, similar to Romerike, Ringerike, Helgeland etc. They did not see that there was any historical tradition for this, nor had they seen any need or request for that in more recent time. When I pointed them to the Wikipedia and the use of the valley name in plural they recommended that it should be changed. Following their advice I have therefore edited the texts in the Wikipedia accordingly. Heidal is a separate valley on its own with strong historical and cultural relations to its neighbouring Gurbrandsdalen valley. I understand that this is what you refer to when you say that you come from both Heidal and Gudbrandsdalen. Ha en fin dag! (Have a nice day!) John Morten

OK I overlooked the ene (plural) ending. I have never seen the Gudbrandsdalene either. Additional info about Heidal in the Wikipeda. Heidal belonged to Vågå/Waage/Vaage until 1907 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Morten Malerbakken" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 11:18 AM Subject: RE: [Opp] Valleys of Oppland > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Helge Hålåsæter [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 9:26 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [Opp] Valleys of Oppland >> >> Dear John Morten, >> I am from Heidal and I am from Gudbrandsdalen, too. The 4 side valleys >> are always considered to be a part of Gudbrandsdalen. >> Helge Hålåsæter, Otta > > Hei Helge, > > I doubt you would use the term "Gudbrandsdalene" in the plural form the > way > it is written in the Wikipedia. If you go back to the original thread, you > will find that the expression is used in this form only for one article > related to Heidal and one related to Sjoa. You mention that 4 of the side > valleys should be included in this expression, while the Wikipedia only > uses > it for these two. > > If you do a Google lookup on the same expression you will find that the > expression "Gudbrandsdalene" in addition to the Wikipedia is used in: > www.answers.com (straight copy of the Wikipedia article), > www.homestayfinder.com (another copy of the Wikipedia article), > www.karen.holtsmark.no (which is a private page dealing with art), > http://heidal.komixcity.sk (copy of the Wikipedia article), > http://spiderbites.about.com (copy of the Wikipedia article), > www.absoluteastronomy.com (removed copy of the Wikipedia article), > > Out of the links shown here, there is only one Norwegian link, all the > other > sites are maintained outside the country. The single Norwegian site is a > private site which would not constitute a source for this expression. > > I have consulted Norwegian Mapping and Cadastrial Authority (Statens > Kartverk, see www.statskart.no). They have confirmed that the term > "Gudbrandsdalene" in plural is unknown to them, and from what they can see > no such term has been used. They also informed that the various valleys > are > defined as separate areas, and that they have also defined the > geographical > borders between them. Whether the set borders always are in accordance > with > the local traditions for them is, according to the same authority, a > matter > of recurring discussions with municipalities and local organisations. > > I asked the authority if the term "Gudbrandsdalene" could be used to > describe a district, similar to Romerike, Ringerike, Helgeland etc. They > did > not see that there was any historical tradition for this, nor had they > seen > any need or request for that in more recent time. > > When I pointed them to the Wikipedia and the use of the valley name in > plural they recommended that it should be changed. Following their advice > I > have therefore edited the texts in the Wikipedia accordingly. > > Heidal is a separate valley on its own with strong historical and cultural > relations to its neighbouring Gurbrandsdalen valley. I understand that > this > is what you refer to when you say that you come from both Heidal and > Gudbrandsdalen. > > > Ha en fin dag! > (Have a nice day!) > > John Morten > > > > > ==== NOR-OPPLAND Mailing List ==== > Tre Lag Stevne is at the Plaza Hotel in Eau Claire, Wisconsin August > 2-5....I am going and have booked my room, have you? > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > >