This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: arakipederson Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.scan-balt.norway.counties.oppland/3190.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Sonnie, To help with a time line, I found Martin & Helene's family on Bakkene Gard in the 1865-telling for #0818 Solum, Telemark. ((NOTE: Helene is listed as born in VESTRE Toten, which is where Gaukum Gard is located, not OSTRE Toten, as you suggest. "http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=14&filnamn=f60818&gardpostnr=134&sokefelt=skjul" They have done some moving around, with Pauline born in Naes, and Mathea, Haagen and Peder born in vestre Toten. Peder appears to be the youngest at age 7, so he would have been born about 1859. And if Pauline is the oldest, she would have been born 1850, shortly after their marriage. So, as a possibility, we should look in NAES for their marriage - there are several locations - I looked in Telemark and Buskerud, but came up empty. I decided to verify Hellena's birth and found it here in Vestre Toten on Goukum Gard. Protokoll: Toten A9 Side: 060a År: 1818 Nr: 079 Kirke: A.K. Født dato: 18.06.1818 Døpt dato: 05.07.1818 Ekte/uekte: E Henvisning til jevnføringsregister: 366 Merknader: B.F. Rolle, Fornavn, Etternavn, Bosted, Kjønn Barn, Hellena, Goukum*, K Far, Haagen, Hans., Goukum, M Mor, Berte Maria, Hansdr., Goukum, K Fadder, Ole, Leerud, M Fadder, Xstine, Leerud, K Fadder, Ole, Ringvold, M Fadder, Hellena, Ringvold, K Fadder, Lars, Buer, M I do not see any online records that would cover the births of Martin and Hellena's children. Have a nice weekend! Clark in Japan Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.