This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: AlHolmes999 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.scan-balt.norway.counties.oppland/3321.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: and Poul and Mari ( the parents ) live with them Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: AlHolmes999 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.scan-balt.norway.counties.oppland/3321.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thoraway, after taking your advice and looking into the 1875 cenusus, I think I've found my 2nd g Grandfathers family http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=39&filnamn=f70518&gardpostnr=25#nedre Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

The divorce was so far back as 1781. Helge -------------------- -----Opprinnelig melding----- From: Helge Hålåsæter Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 10:14 PM To: gc-gateway@rootsweb.com ; nor-oppland@rootsweb.com ; NOR-OPPLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Opp] Poul Olsen and Mari Olsdatter Oh, there is Kvikne both in Hedmark and Oppland (Nord-Fron) Helge --------------------------- -----Opprinnelig melding----- From: Be Gunelson Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 9:20 PM To: gc-gateway@rootsweb.com ; nor-oppland@rootsweb.com ; NOR-OPPLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Opp] Poul Olsen and Mari Olsdatter Please be advised that Hedmark and Oppland were one entitiy at a time, ergo, the confusion over the fyllke? Be ----- Original Message ----- From: <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> To: <NOR-OPPLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 1:42 PM Subject: Re: [Opp] Poul Olsen and Mari Olsdatter > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: AlHolmes999 > Surnames: > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.scan-balt.norway.counties.oppland/3321.1.1.1.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > Hi Thoraway, > I typed Kvikne into a birth place in Ancestry to put Poul's name in, and > it came up Hedmark, I took the familyserach website you mentioned, found > the marriage and in there it says marriage place: Kvikne,Opland,Norway but > doesn't show either fathers unlike many other records that do show them, > so where do I look for parents of these 2 please? > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link > above and respond on the board. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NOR-OPPLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOR-OPPLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOR-OPPLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Oh, there is Kvikne both in Hedmark and Oppland (Nord-Fron) Helge --------------------------- -----Opprinnelig melding----- From: Be Gunelson Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 9:20 PM To: gc-gateway@rootsweb.com ; nor-oppland@rootsweb.com ; NOR-OPPLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Opp] Poul Olsen and Mari Olsdatter Please be advised that Hedmark and Oppland were one entitiy at a time, ergo, the confusion over the fyllke? Be ----- Original Message ----- From: <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> To: <NOR-OPPLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 1:42 PM Subject: Re: [Opp] Poul Olsen and Mari Olsdatter > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: AlHolmes999 > Surnames: > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.scan-balt.norway.counties.oppland/3321.1.1.1.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > Hi Thoraway, > I typed Kvikne into a birth place in Ancestry to put Poul's name in, and > it came up Hedmark, I took the familyserach website you mentioned, found > the marriage and in there it says marriage place: Kvikne,Opland,Norway but > doesn't show either fathers unlike many other records that do show them, > so where do I look for parents of these 2 please? > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link > above and respond on the board. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NOR-OPPLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOR-OPPLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: AlHolmes999 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.scan-balt.norway.counties.oppland/3321.1.1.3.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am trying..It is interesting finding that a few of the family, my 2nd great grandfather, took the Dalshaug name and other family kept the Paulson name and Armund took a Lien name ( presumably after the farm he was on ) Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: thoraway Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.scan-balt.norway.counties.oppland/3321.1.1.3.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Allan, I would not assume they "lied". The birth years as calculated from each entry could leave you with approximate birth years from 1812-1814 for him and from 1814-1817 for her. Depending on what day of the year you ask me how old I am you'll get different answers too. April 8th I have one answer - April 10th I have another -- both correct. Also some years I don't seem to accurately remember how old I am, some numbers just didn't stick in my mind. So answers within a year or two either way seem quite reasonable. If my birth record were online (it is not) and you knew WHERE to look it would narrow down the search to a reasonable time period and a limited number of pages to search through. Same for the rural areas of Norway - much more challenging in the larger cities. It would only be difficult to find the birth records if - - the parish were very very large and had many many records for each year; - there happened to be quite a few babies given the same name in that parish in that time span; or - if the handwriting is just plain awful. I really am trying to encourage you to try these things for yourself. It can take some study and some practice but the rewards are HUGE! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: thoraway Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.scan-balt.norway.counties.oppland/3321.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks for letting me know. Ancestry.com is not a website search which has much original information on Norwegian genealogy and I would not recommend using it to find WHERE in Norway places actually were. Your finding of the wedding at FamilySearch.org is a good step. The information it gave was a summary of the information given on the original record. FamilySearch is working very hard to create an INDEX of vital records from all over the world, not necessarily a complete record. These readings of the original records are done entirely by volunteers and some have more experience with Norwegian than others and they have already built a HUGE index of Norwegian vital records for births, marriages and some deaths -- not everything yet but it is a very admirable effort. But you can take the information found in their index and use that to make a search of the online scanned original records much much easier for yourself. It gave you an exact date and a pretty good estimation of location - considering that Kvikne and the two parts of old Fron had undergone boundary changes in that time period. Clark gave you a link to the scanned image of the original marriage record in a reply above. Take a careful look at it. You can use it with the following excellent article about Norwegian church records. Good information about translating the formats of Norwegian parish church records during various time periods, many of the basic terms used and understanding how to use the information should be studied at this web site - http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~norway/na20.html Then read again those links to the online instructions for using the Digitalarkivet scanned church records I mentioned in an earlier posting in reply to your query on the Oslo message board concerning Christian Larsen Hagen but have just updated below. You could practice by searching for the marriage and confirmation records Clark has already provided. Having known dates and places make beginning searches much easier. Just the marriage record and the confirmation record do not give enough information about the parents yet. But having some idea of WHEN each of the couple were born will get you much closer to finding their birth records and therefore probably finding the best record with information about parentage. -------------------------- The Digitalarkivet web site has been adding scanned images of the original Norwegian parish church records for anyone with Internet access since November 2005. The Digitalarkivet web site - http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebFront.exe?slag=vis&tekst=meldingar An English option is available by clicking on that word from either the left hand column or the blue link bar along the bottom of the homepage. The scanned images are available from the homepage link "Skanna kyrkjebøker" [Norwegian version]/"Digitised parish records" [English version] which is listed along the left hand column and from the blue banner of links along the top section of the homepage. Clicking on "Skanna kyrkjebøker" [Norwegian version]/"Digitised parish records" [English version] will bring up another screen and listing to choose from. Choose "Lesa skanna kyrkjebøker" [Norwegian version]/"Read the digitised parish records" [English version]. After you've clicked on that link and a new main page has presented on the screen be sure and read the instructions that are available from the Digitalarkivet for navigating the scanned records. The instructions are available in Bokmål (official Norwegian), Nyorsk (Norwegian), Davvisámegiella (Saami), and English. Recommended basic reading are the "Startsiden" [Norwegian version]/"Main page" [English version], "Brukerveiledning" [Norwegian version]/"User's guide" [English version] and "Om tjenesten" [Norwegian version]/"About this service" [English version]. Good information about translating the formats of Norwegian parish church records during various time periods, many of the basic terms used and understanding how to use the information should be studied at this web site - http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~norway/na20.html Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: AlHolmes999 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.scan-balt.norway.counties.oppland/3321.1.1.3.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks Clark... The 1920 USA census has this entery for Ross, Roseau, Minnesota where i know my family had went to in the late 1880's, it makes sense when you say that Mari's mother's name was Gollog Armand Lien Head of household b 1856 Norway Gulug Gulas Sister b 1846 Erland Paulson Brother b abt 1861 All were single, kinda odd all 3 had different last names though Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: AlHolmes999 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.scan-balt.norway.counties.oppland/3321.1.1.1.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Thoraway, I typed Kvikne into a birth place in Ancestry to put Poul's name in, and it came up Hedmark, I took the familyserach website you mentioned, found the marriage and in there it says marriage place: Kvikne,Opland,Norway but doesn't show either fathers unlike many other records that do show them, so where do I look for parents of these 2 please? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Yes, it should be Nord-Fron perish Helge H. ------------------ -----Opprinnelig melding----- From: gc-gateway@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 4:39 PM To: NOR-OPPLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Opp] Poul Olsen and Mari Olsdatter This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: thoraway Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.scan-balt.norway.counties.oppland/3321.1.1.1.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Actually I was asking Allan Holmes what he had typed into and not you. I posted my question in direct reply to his entry which stated "I don't know alot about parishes in Norway, I know when I type in Kvikne it automatically goes to Hedmark, Norway". What website and database was he typing into?? He is having a hard time learning and I'm trying to get him started doing his family research by himself. Being able to 'do it yourself' gives you a long term hobby of great enjoyment and allows information suggested by others to be checked and verified. The LDS Library Catalog of the familysearch.org website is one of the best ways to look up sogn/sokn and prestegjeld locations in Norway. Then still in the catalog the brief history information under the topic 'Church records' for each location then gives more information about where parish records were filed during various time periods. The digitized images of the Digitalarkivet were scanned from the LDS microfilms of those records. Typing KVIKNE in the Bustad search category only found those places where there was a farm of exactly the same name as that parish or district. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOR-OPPLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Marit Jakobsdatter : Should be: Sjellum ??? Helge ------------------------------- -----Opprinnelig melding----- From: Helge Hålåsæter Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 9:22 AM To: gc-gateway@rootsweb.com ; nor-oppland@rootsweb.com ; NOR-OPPLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Opp] Syver Syversen Vistedkleven, b. Vaagaa, 1840 or so. And how is he Syver Vistedkleven ? It is not sure that he is recorded in the church book to be baptized ?? (It happened now and then) Helge ----------------- -----Opprinnelig melding----- From: gc-gateway@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 5:17 AM To: NOR-OPPLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Opp] Syver Syversen Vistedkleven, b. Vaagaa, 1840 or so. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: BrianGaber Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.scan-balt.norway.counties.oppland/3320.3.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: The confirmation record shows: Syver Johnsen Brostuen Marit Jakobsdatter Skjelleie (Skjeleie) The marriage record shows: Syver Knudsen Brostuen Marit Jacobsdatter Stordalen There is always a chance that Syver was the son of a man named John Knudsen or Knud Johnsen, and one of the records has an error in the name. I have seen this happen before. Also, it is fairly common that a couple married after their first child was born. Brian Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOR-OPPLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOR-OPPLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: thoraway Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.scan-balt.norway.counties.oppland/3321.1.1.3.1.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Allan -- "Korperberget" would be the place where Poul Olsen was living/working at the time of the marriage. It MIGHT be the farm of his family and then again it MIGHT NOT, he is old enough when he marries to be out on his own and no longer living with his parents. It is also possible that his family had moved from from the place of his birth during his childhood. Only finding earlier records for him would prove that. Before 1850 Nord-Fron and Sør-Fron were one combined clerical district just known as Fron. This information is obtained from the LDS Library Catalog at familysearch.org Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: thoraway Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.scan-balt.norway.counties.oppland/3321.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Yes Allan, you need to know WHERE to look or have a good idea of the general location and thereby have limited the detailed search to just a few particular parishes/districts. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: thoraway Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.scan-balt.norway.counties.oppland/3321.1.1.1.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Actually I was asking Allan Holmes what he had typed into and not you. I posted my question in direct reply to his entry which stated "I don't know alot about parishes in Norway, I know when I type in Kvikne it automatically goes to Hedmark, Norway". What website and database was he typing into?? He is having a hard time learning and I'm trying to get him started doing his family research by himself. Being able to 'do it yourself' gives you a long term hobby of great enjoyment and allows information suggested by others to be checked and verified. The LDS Library Catalog of the familysearch.org website is one of the best ways to look up sogn/sokn and prestegjeld locations in Norway. Then still in the catalog the brief history information under the topic 'Church records' for each location then gives more information about where parish records were filed during various time periods. The digitized images of the Digitalarkivet were scanned from the LDS microfilms of those records. Typing KVIKNE in the Bustad search category only found those places where there was a farm of exactly the same name as that parish or district. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Please be advised that Hedmark and Oppland were one entitiy at a time, ergo, the confusion over the fyllke? Be ----- Original Message ----- From: <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> To: <NOR-OPPLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 1:42 PM Subject: Re: [Opp] Poul Olsen and Mari Olsdatter > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: AlHolmes999 > Surnames: > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.scan-balt.norway.counties.oppland/3321.1.1.1.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > Hi Thoraway, > I typed Kvikne into a birth place in Ancestry to put Poul's name in, and > it came up Hedmark, I took the familyserach website you mentioned, found > the marriage and in there it says marriage place: Kvikne,Opland,Norway but > doesn't show either fathers unlike many other records that do show them, > so where do I look for parents of these 2 please? > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link > above and respond on the board. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NOR-OPPLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

And how is he Syver Vistedkleven ? It is not sure that he is recorded in the church book to be baptized ?? (It happened now and then) Helge ----------------- -----Opprinnelig melding----- From: gc-gateway@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 5:17 AM To: NOR-OPPLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Opp] Syver Syversen Vistedkleven, b. Vaagaa, 1840 or so. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: BrianGaber Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.scan-balt.norway.counties.oppland/3320.3.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: The confirmation record shows: Syver Johnsen Brostuen Marit Jakobsdatter Skjelleie (Skjeleie) The marriage record shows: Syver Knudsen Brostuen Marit Jacobsdatter Stordalen There is always a chance that Syver was the son of a man named John Knudsen or Knud Johnsen, and one of the records has an error in the name. I have seen this happen before. Also, it is fairly common that a couple married after their first child was born. Brian Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOR-OPPLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: arakipederson Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.scan-balt.norway.counties.oppland/3321.1.1.3.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: We now have a birth date for POUL!!! ENTRY #9 is the confirmation for POUL KORPBERGET, born on 01 SEPTEMBER 1814, to OLE and RAGNIL. Oppland county, Kvikne in Fron, Parish register copy nr. 3 (1816-1850), Confirmation records 1831, page 251. http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8923&idx_id=8923&uid=ny&idx_side=-185 http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070131610188.jpg Clark in Japan Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: arakipederson Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.scan-balt.norway.counties.oppland/3321.1.1.3.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Given the degree of illiteracy in those days, I often see dates off by /- one (maybe 2) years. Same goes with name spellings. The scribe often had to write down what they HEARD, because some people could not spell their own names. Finding the RIGHT entries for their births / baptisms will be difficult, but not necessarily impossible.... at least not until we've researched ALL possibilities. Have a nice day! Clark in Japan Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: arakipederson Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.scan-balt.norway.counties.oppland/3321.1.1.3.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: KORPBERGET was the farm in Local Parish Kvikne, in Nord-Fron Parish, Oppland. The 1865-telling states ALL were born in Nord Fron. So, that is where I am focusing my search. ENTRY #22, RIGHT PAGE, is the registration for a MARI OLSDATTER, born to OLE AMUNDSEN and GOLLOG OLSDATTER: Oppland county, Kvikne in Fron, Parish register copy nr. 3 (1816-1850), Birth and baptism records 1817, page 4. http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8923&idx_id=8923&uid=ny&idx_side=-4 http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070131610007.jpg This MIGHT be the right girl, given the naming of her children in the 1865-telling. Also, the farm name APPEARS to be the same as in the wedding registry. I'm thinking it MIGHT be RUSTEN, but you'll need better eyes than mine for accuracy. One chip at a time... we might fell this wall yet..... Clark in Japan Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: AlHolmes999 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.scan-balt.norway.counties.oppland/3321.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: so if I am looking for the birth of either parent, I would need the parish they were baptised at? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.