This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/hcC.2ACE/1343.1 Message Board Post: The Norwegian characters might be important - http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste_e.aspx?ft=1875&knr=0519&kenr=002&bnr=0030&lnr=00 Something about spinning and flatbread baking in the winter....

I do not know the port from which they departed. Since they were from Sondre Land, my guess is that it might have been Christiania and not Trondheim. Since many of them landed in Quebec, that port would be of interest however it could have been a port in the US. I only know the date was 1853. Thanks for your help. Joan ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Morten Malerbakken" <[email protected]> To: "'Joan Dahl'" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 11:07 AM Subject: RE: [Opp] (no subject) >> >> Does anyone know if there are any passenger lists available for 1853? >> Thanks in advance. >> Joan in Co. >> > > You do not specify what passenger lists you are looking for, but this is a > link to passenger lists for people emigrating from Norway (normally they > would have the USA as their destination) available on the network: > > http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebMeta.exe?slag=vismeny&fylkenr=&knr=& > katnr=5&aar=&dagens=&emnenr=1 > > John Morten > >

Does anyone know if there are any passenger lists available for 1853? Thanks in advance. Joan in Co.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Nelson,Nelson,Flakne,Gudbrand Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/hcC.2ACE/1343 Message Board Post: I am trying to translate the following - please help! Ernearer si og Bornene ved Spinding og Fladbrodbaging (det sidste paa Gaarden) om Vinteren, og Aannearbeide om Sommeren. It is information from the Norwegian Historical Date Centre census 1875 for Berte Amundsdatter Vangen. Thank you. Ellen

1920 has now been added to the Minnesota Birth Index see http://people.mnhs.org/bci/?CFID=2399904&CFTOKEN=53662319 Garth

http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_lastweek=1 Oppland Gran / Gran: 1889-1897, Parish register (official) Nordre Land / Nordsinni: 1905-1929, Parish register copy Søndre Land / Fluberg: 1895-1904, Parish register (official)

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/hcC.2ACE/1340.1.1.1.1.1.1.2 Message Board Post: If you look at the actual passenger list for that particular arrival of the SS Germanic you'll probably find a notation of the date it departed - either on the first few pages of that list or at the end of them. Those passenger lists are usually available on LDS microfilm -- look in the LDS library catalog by place search (New York). http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=60951&disp=Passenger+lists+of+vessels+arriving+at+N%20%20&columns=*,0,0

To Whom It May Concern: I have in my possession a copy of the program from Bernice's funeral, as follows: ----- In memory of Bernice A. Moen October 16, 1911 in Norway Township, Traill County, North Dakota December 26, 2005 in Willmar, Minnesota Service - 2pm - Thursday, December 29, 2005, Aal Lutheran Church, Mayville, North Dakota Officiant - Rev. Eric Hulstrand Family Tribute - Ardell Moen Norwegian Prayer - David Moen Congregational Hymn - Hymn #136 - Hark the Herald Angels Sing Organist - Joan Sedivec Special Music - It Is Well With My Soul; Victory In Jesus; Den Store Hvide Flok Vocalists - Gary Kaldor, Keith Kaldor and Ken Wiggs Casket bearers - David Moen, Jeff Tebben, Richard Lange, Gary Kaldor, Keith Kaldor, Gregg Kaldor Interment - Aal Lutheran Cemetery, Mayville, North Dakota ----- Arrangements by Harvey Anderson Funeral Home, Willmar, Minnesota - Baker Funeral Home, Mayville, North Dakota ----- Fader vår, du som er i himmelen! Helliget vorde ditt navn; komme ditt rike; skje din vilje, som i himmelen, så og på jorden; gi oss idag våre daglige brød; og forlat oss våre skyld, som vi og forlater våre skyldnere; og led oss ikke inn i fristelse; men frels oss fra det onde. Ti riket er ditt, makten og æren i evighet. Amen i Jesu navn. ----- Bernice Adelia (Kaldor) was born on October 16, 1911, in rural Hillsboro, North Dakota (USA), the daughter of John C. and Anna (Bakkum) Kaldor. She attended District #3 Norway Township, and graduated from Mayville High School in 1930. She continued her education at Mayville State (Teacher's College). On October 16, 1932, Bernice was united in marriage to Leon A. Moen at her parent's farm. This union was blessed with three children. They farmed in rural Hillsboro, retiring in 1966. Following their retirement, they wintered in Texas and spent their summers in North Dakota. Leon preceded her in death on October 4, 1984. In 1986, Bernice moved into Mayville and lived there until 1997, when she moved to Willmar. Bernice was baptized in November 1911, at her parent's home and confirmed at Aal Lutheran Church, where she was a lifetime member. Bernice was active with the ladies Aid, was a Sunday School Teacher and church organist for many years. Bernice was a member of the Sons of Norway in Mayville and Homemakers Club in Hillsboro. In her retirement years, Bernice continued to enjoy music, playing for different events and going to concerts. She enjoyed doing Hardanger embroidery and using these projects as gifts for relatives and friends. On Monday, December 26, 2005, Bernice died at Bethesda Pleasantview in Willmar at the age of 94 years, 2 months and 10 days. Surviving are her children, Ardell J. (and Faye) Moen, Willmar, Bernhard L. (and Sandy) Moen, West Bloomfield, Michigan, and Anne T. (and William L.) Onderdonk, Sioux Falls, South Dakota; five grandchildren, Keven Moen, Wayne Moen, Karen (and Richard) Lange, David Moen, Cheryl (and Jeff) Tebben; five great grandchildren, Miriah and Cory Nellermoe, Kirsten, Seth and Hanne Tebben. Also surviving are her sisters, June R. (and Lawrence) Moen, Hot Springs, South Dakota, and Eleanor A. Ostlund, Portland, North Dakota; sister-in-law, Rose Kaldor, Mayville, ND. In addition to her husband, Leon, Bernice was preceded in death by her parents, two grandsons, Randolph Moen, and one in infancy; two brothers, Lynn C. and John A.B. Kaldor. ----- ((note: anyone wishing a scanned copy, contact me off-list ([email protected]) with your request; thank you...))

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/hcC.2ACE/1340.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Thank you very much. Your information and these resources are helpful and very welcomed. Gary Phillips

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/hcC.2ACE/1340.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Norwegian records cannot help you find American documentation that you are seeking of course - but the resources for Norway will still be available when you are ready to take that step. Østre Slidre parish records have been copied to microfilm and are available for rental/use at any LDS Family History Center. The online LDS library catalog indicates that they have the years 1814-1927 available for Østre Slidre and that earlier records are recorded under the Vestre Slidre clerical district. You can find an LDS Family History Center near you - http://www.familysearch.org/ How to read and use Norwegian parish records is explained in an article in this collection - http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~norway/articles.html Have fun with the research and good luck! http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=localitydetails&subject=145897&subject_disp=Norway%2C+Oppland%2C+%C3%98stre+Slidre&columns=*,0,0

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/hcC.2ACE/1340.1.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Sorry that I have not responded sooner. Thank you for your help and I do see a possibility with the family listed at http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=10&filnamn=f60544&gardpostnr=129&sokefelt=skjul As for Nils Gulbrandsen Royne: His date of birth is believed to be February 22, 1865. This date comes from family information and from his ship departure/arrival information. I am seeking firm documentary evidence for a date of birth from marriage certificates, death certificates, immigration records, etc. His name in America is given at various times and places as Nils (or Nels) Gulbrandsen Royne (or Roine). His family's name became Royne by the time of his death. He immigrated from Norway to America in 1891, with a transit route that seems to have been Kristiania - Kristiansand - Hull, then to Liverpool, and then Liverpool - New York. He subsequently travelled across America to Tacoma, Washington which appears to have been his planned destination when he left Norway. Departure information from Kristiania From: http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=32&filnamn=emikra1&sokpostnr=11#a0 114296 Year: 1891 Page: 138 Lline: 20 New family gr.: 1 Transaction date: 13.03.1891 Date of departure: 13.03.1891 Given name: Nils Last Name: Røine Marital status: (blank) Occupation: Arb. Sex: m Age: 26 (Note: year of birth would be around 1865) Domicile: Ø. Slidre Destination: Tacoma Line: Elster Ship: Montebello Freight (kr): 293 Payment info: Ppd. Nationality: (blank) Permission: T.sess. The route of the Montebello for this trip was Christiania - Christiansand - Hull. http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_ship.asp?sh=monte. Norwegian emigrants were usually kept briefly at Hull and then departed for Liverpool by train, usually within 24 hours of arrival at Hull. http://www.norwayheritage.com/articles/templates/voyages.asp?articleid=28&zoneid=6 One of "corresponding ships" for the Montebello for this trip was the S/S Germanic leaving from Liverpool for New York with a NY arrival of March 27, 1891. Date of departure for the Germanic for this voyage not yet found. http://www.norwayheritage.com/t_corresp.asp?id=3071 New York arrival information from Liverpool >From list of immigrants found at Ancestry.com on September 27, 2006 (Line 25, Microfilm Serial M237, Microfilm Roll 315) Nils Roine Arrived: March 27, 1891 Born: Abt. 1865 (age given as 26) Male Port of Departure: Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland Destination: USA Place of Origin: Norway Ship Name: Germanic Port of Arrival: New York 239 Nils Roine Laborer Forward 1 I do not have any information yet about his life in America from 1891 to 1900, when he shows up on the 10-year census (waterfront district) as a cook living aboard the Victorius Tacoma. Unfortunately, the U.S. censuses in which Nils is listed do not give a month or year of birth. As with many of our earlier censuses, only the age is listed and I have not always found the age listed in these to be a reliable way to determine the exact year of birth. It isn't unusual to see errors in age of several years (+/-) in any given census and from census to census. However, the date of enumeration for Nil's census information is as follows: 1900 census - June 11, 1900 (age 34, born around 1866) 1910 census - August 18,1910 (age 42, born around 1868) 1920 census - January 13, 1920 (age 53, born around 1867) Is there any information here that holds clues about Nils Royne for someone familiar with Norwegian genealogy? Feel free to communicate with me directly if you prefer. Thank you for your help. Gary Phillips [email protected]

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Gulbrandsen, Roine Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/hcC.2ACE/1342 Message Board Post: Sorry that I have not responded sooner. Thank you for your help and I do see a possibility with the family listed at http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=10&filnamn=f60544&gardpostnr=129&sokefelt=skjul As for Nils Gulbrandsen Royne: His date of birth is believed to be February 22, 1865. This date comes from family information and from his ship departure/arrival information. I am seeking firm documentary evidence for a date of birth from marriage certificates, death certificates, immigration records, etc. His name in America is given at various times and places as Nils (or Nels) Gulbrandsen Royne (or Roine). His family's name became Royne by the time of his death. He immigrated from Norway to America in 1891, with a transit route that seems to have been Kristiania - Kristiansand - Hull, then to Liverpool, and then Liverpool - New York. He subsequently travelled across America to Tacoma, Washington which appears to have been his planned destination when he left Norway. Departure information from Kristiania From: http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=32&filnamn=emikra1&sokpostnr=11#a0 114296 Year: 1891 Page: 138 Lline: 20 New family gr.: 1 Transaction date: 13.03.1891 Date of departure: 13.03.1891 Given name: Nils Last Name: Røine Marital status: (blank) Occupation: Arb. Sex: m Age: 26 (Note: year of birth would be around 1865) Domicile: Ø. Slidre Destination: Tacoma Line: Elster Ship: Montebello Freight (kr): 293 Payment info: Ppd. Nationality: (blank) Permission: T.sess. The route of the Montebello for this trip was Christiania - Christiansand - Hull. http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_ship.asp?sh=monte. Norwegian emigrants were usually kept briefly at Hull and then departed for Liverpool by train, usually within 24 hours of arrival at Hull. http://www.norwayheritage.com/articles/templates/voyages.asp?articleid=28&zoneid=6 One of "corresponding ships" for the Montebello for this trip was the S/S Germanic leaving from Liverpool for New York with a NY arrival of March 27, 1891. Date of departure for the Germanic for this voyage not yet found. http://www.norwayheritage.com/t_corresp.asp?id=3071 New York arrival information from Liverpool >From list of immigrants found at Ancestry.com on September 27, 2006 (Line 25, Microfilm Serial M237, Microfilm Roll 315) Nils Roine Arrived: March 27, 1891 Born: Abt. 1865 (age given as 26) Male Port of Departure: Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland Destination: USA Place of Origin: Norway Ship Name: Germanic Port of Arrival: New York 239 Nils Roine Laborer Forward 1 I do not have any information yet about his life in America from 1891 to 1900, when he shows up on the 10-year census (waterfront district) as a cook living aboard the Victorius Tacoma. Unfortunately, the U.S. censuses in which Nils is listed do not give a month or year of birth. As with many of our earlier censuses, only the age is listed and I have not always found the age listed in these to be a reliable way to determine the exact year of birth. It isn't unusual to see errors in age of several years (+/-) in any given census and from census to census. However, the date of enumeration for Nil's census information is as follows: 1900 census - June 11, 1900 (age 34, born around 1866) 1910 census - August 18,1910 (age 42, born around 1868) 1920 census - January 13, 1920 (age 53, born around 1867) Is there any information here that holds clues about Nils Royne for someone familiar with Norwegian genealogy? Feel free to communicate with me directly if you prefer. Thank you for your help. Gary Phillips [email protected]

In the past five days, there have been five responses to this request. It would be nice if you would respond and let us know if we are on the right track with our research. Have a nice day! Clark in Japan ----- [email protected] wrote: > Kathryn here we think they are. > > 30,4 (april).1863 Married > Poul Amundsen Hm. Kringlum Nord Froen 27 år. Far (father) Amund Pedersen > Anna Amundsdtr. f.(born) Evenrud (ned Rolstad) Another name on the farm 21år. Far Amund Olsen > Regards Gunnar og Kåre

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/hcC.2ACE/1341.2 Message Board Post: Kathryn here we think they are. 30,4 (april).1863 Married Poul Amundsen Hm. Kringlum Nord Froen 27 år. Far (father) Amund Pedersen Anna Amundsdtr. f.(born) Evenrud (ned Rolstad) Another name on the farm 21år. Far Amund Olsen Regards Gunnar og Kåre

I expect this is your Anne Amundsdatter (Amundsen), born 21 Aug 1842, christened 16 Oct 1842 in Sor Fron, Oppland, to Amund OLSEN and Anne OLSDATTER. http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp&clear_form=tr The only 'CLOSE' match I can find for Paul (Poul) Amundsen is this: born 13 Nov 1836, christened 11 Dec 1836 in Sodorp, Oppland, to Amund PEDERSEN and Barbroe POULSDR. (Sodorp OR Søthorps is a local parish in Nordre Froens.) Here (http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe) you will find TWENTY men with the name of Amund Pedersen, of which only THREE are old enough to be Paul's father. There is no Barbroe and Amund match in the 1865-telling. If you have other history on Randine Amundsen, you might find names in this site to match. For example, in this list (http://snipurl.com/x2n4), Amund PEDERSEN is listed as the brother of Christofer, who is listed as the 'brugeren's father; the brugeren is listed as Peder Christofersen. Have a nice day! Clark in Japan [email protected] wrote: > In 1865 and 1875 Telling of Sor-From show this married couple living with their children and ??her parents. They were on the Evensrud Farm. Paul was born 1836 and Anne 1842. Would like to know when they were married, names of Paul Parents, and when he died? Anne and sons came to America at various times 1890-1902. I think Paul is my great-granmother Randine Amundsons uncle, but need further information...........

It appears that Amund Olsen Rolstadeiet and Anne Olsdtr had a son, Amund, before they married: Born June 11/1830 Amund: Father: Amund Olsen Hovestuen Mother Anne Olsdtr. Evensrud u. Rolstad Nedre. This Amund seem to have married Mari Hansdtr Suleng on Nov.3, 1854. They again had among other children, Randine , born April 9, 1868. Is this your Randine? Rgds Ola Morken -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] På vegne av Ola Morken Sendt: 25. september 2006 12:37 Til: [email protected] Emne: Re: [Opp] Paul Amundsen and Anne Amundsdatter These could be your folks: Father: Amund Pedersen Rusthage Eiet Mother. Barbro Poulsdtr. Children: Peder, born 1834, Birth Nov. 13, 1836: Poul Thora, born 1845 and Amund born 1848. Kringlum or Rusthageeiet is 2 different names for same place(farm) This is in Sødorp, N.Fron. Birth: Aug.21,1842: Anne Father: Amund Olsen Rolstadeiet Nordre Mother: Anne Olsdtr. Marriage April 30, 1863 Sør Fron Kirke: Poul Amundsen Kringlum in N.Fron, 27 years and Anne Amundsdtr Evensrud, (N.Rolstad). 21 yrs Rgds Ola Morken -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] På vegne av [email protected] Sendt: 24. september 2006 00:58 Til: [email protected] Emne: [Opp] Paul Amundsen and Anne Amundsdatter This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/hcC.2ACE/1341 Message Board Post: In 1865 and 1875 Telling of Sor-From show this married couple living with their children and ??her parents. They were on the Evensrud Farm. Paul was born 1836 and Anne 1842. Would like to know when they were married, names of Paul Parents, and when he died? Anne and sons came to America at various times 1890-1902. I think Paul is my great-granmother Randine Amundsons uncle, but need further information. Thank you for any help that can be provided. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

These could be your folks: Father: Amund Pedersen Rusthage Eiet Mother. Barbro Poulsdtr. Children: Peder, born 1834, Birth Nov. 13, 1836: Poul Thora, born 1845 and Amund born 1848. Kringlum or Rusthageeiet is 2 different names for same place(farm) This is in Sødorp, N.Fron. Birth: Aug.21,1842: Anne Father: Amund Olsen Rolstadeiet Nordre Mother: Anne Olsdtr. Marriage April 30, 1863 Sør Fron Kirke: Poul Amundsen Kringlum in N.Fron, 27 years and Anne Amundsdtr Evensrud, (N.Rolstad). 21 yrs Rgds Ola Morken -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] På vegne av [email protected] Sendt: 24. september 2006 00:58 Til: [email protected] Emne: [Opp] Paul Amundsen and Anne Amundsdatter This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/hcC.2ACE/1341 Message Board Post: In 1865 and 1875 Telling of Sor-From show this married couple living with their children and ??her parents. They were on the Evensrud Farm. Paul was born 1836 and Anne 1842. Would like to know when they were married, names of Paul Parents, and when he died? Anne and sons came to America at various times 1890-1902. I think Paul is my great-granmother Randine Amundsons uncle, but need further information. Thank you for any help that can be provided. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/hcC.2ACE/1341.1 Message Board Post: You could check in the published 'rural chronicle' for Sør-Fron. A book published in Norway which usually contains history and genealogy information about the people who lived in a district - a bygdebøk. These books have not been compiled and written about all areas of Norway but there does appear to have been two volume work for Nord and Sør-Fron. The LDS library catalog shows that both volumes have been copied to microfiche which you can order and use at any LDS Family History Center. The books will of course have been written in Norwegian. "Gardar og slekter i Fron", 2 volumes by Einar Hovdhaugen; "Fron-slekter", by Even and Peter Sveipe and J. Haraldseid. http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=134226&disp=Gardar+og+slekter+i+Fron%20%20&columns=*,0,0 http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~norway/na18.html http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~norway/articles.html

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/hcC.2ACE/1341 Message Board Post: In 1865 and 1875 Telling of Sor-From show this married couple living with their children and ??her parents. They were on the Evensrud Farm. Paul was born 1836 and Anne 1842. Would like to know when they were married, names of Paul Parents, and when he died? Anne and sons came to America at various times 1890-1902. I think Paul is my great-granmother Randine Amundsons uncle, but need further information. Thank you for any help that can be provided.

I completely agree. So the Roine / Royne connection must have come later in Nils's life (i.e., farm hand). Clark [email protected] wrote: > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/hcC.2ACE/1340.1.1.1.1.1 > > Message Board Post: > > Yes, the date of enumeration for each of those census is important to be able to calculate a birth year. You also have to consider that it is quite common for age to be given wrongly by the member of the family trying to answer the enumerator's questions. > > The five men I mentioned were possible matches for the father - not the son. None of those was expected to be a match for the 'baby' Nils. Without the date correction for the christening, it was sitll possible that the child wasn't born until shortly after the 1865 census - therefore I wanted to consider all the possible father candidates and look at the farms where they were residing. > > A child born in 1865 would be recorded as age 1 in the Norwegian census of 31 Dec 1865. Given the matches to both the father and mother that the original poster presented - consider again the family living on Vigen. > http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=10&filnamn=f60544&gardpostnr=129&sokefelt=skjul