Hi all, Does anyone on the list have any of the above farm names in their genealogy? Thanks, Margit

Leah, Keep in mind that this shows his departure for CHRISTIANIA, not for America. I almost lost that in my translation. ((In trying to keep my searches as simple as possible, I did my first search for Fornavn: PE and Etternavn: PE, but got a Peder Jakobsen Pettersbakken. Then I searched for Fornavn: PE and Farsnavn: PE and got several hits, one being your Peder.)) Confused about Norwegian naming practices? Check out Neil Hofland's Newbie Notes (scroll down to 'what about names?'): "http://www.rootsweb.com/~norway/NewbieNotes.htm" Working from my home office gives me LOTS of flexibility in managing my time. Rattle my cage any time. Clark in Japan [email protected] wrote: > Where do you have the time for this? I have been absolutely racking my > brain on that website looking for information and coming up with nothing. I am > obviously not looking at all names. I told you this Norwegian last names is > killing me.....

Leah, Perseverance prevails!!!!! I went back to searching Toten immigration / emigration records and found son PEDER ANTON PEDERSEN GJESTRUMBAKKEN!!!!! He emigrated from Christiania on 24 March 1868... well before the rest of the family... at age 15, birth date matches 12.02.1853...... "http://www.slektshistorielaget.no/Kilder/vtoten/databaser2/VTotenKrkbInnUt1862/index.html" However, I still cannot find him in Oslo's emigrants listings. Happy Hunting! Clark in Japan C&M Pederson wrote: > ...For starters, in the 1865-telling, we find Mathea Martinsdatter living > with Peder Christiansen and his family at Gjestrumbakken. She is > identified as "Lægdslem", which means "welfare recipient." So it would > appear that the family is taking responsibility for Mathea and including > her in their emigration, rather than passing her on to another family. > ((If we dug for Mathea's birth registration, I wouldn't be surprised to > find a family connection between her parents and the Peder Christiansen > family.)).......

Leah, For starters, in the 1865-telling, we find Mathea Martinsdatter living with Peder Christiansen and his family at Gjestrumbakken. She is identified as "Lægdslem", which means "welfare recipient." So it would appear that the family is taking responsibility for Mathea and including her in their emigration, rather than passing her on to another family. ((If we dug for Mathea's birth registration, I wouldn't be surprised to find a family connection between her parents and the Peder Christiansen family.)) I searched for every possible name / combination I could think of for each person on your passenger list, leaving Kristiania and Oslo (separate lists). Nothing..... Here is the scoop on "Bark Edda" from Kristiania to Quebec: "http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_ship.asp?sh=eddaa" Looking at the passenger list found on line (click on VIEW IMAGE for page #23) "http://www.collectionscanada.ca/archivianet/passenger/001045-119.01-e.php?&sisn_id_nbr=765&interval=20&&PHPSESSID=e0d070d666b15626f2c01b24d4286f96" I see that the large numbers to the left appear to be identifying 'groups' of people traveling together. For example, if you look at #9, there is a large paren mark encompassing Peder, Berthe, and Emil. Then #10 combines Karine Christensdatter and Mathea Martinsdatter. On the right side of page 23 (next image), it identifies Mathea as 'idiot'... this would explain why she was a welfare recipient in Norway. It says Karine is Peder's sister and Mathea his daughter, but I agree that there is a good possibility that Mathea is Karine's daughter. I don't see any connection between these five members and the other passengers listed. Have a nice day! Clark in Japan [email protected] wrote: > OK, this is what I have about the passenger list. it comes in two pages. > 1st page says at the top: this is the ship passenger list for the ship > "Edda" which left Oslo in April 1871 and landed in Quebec. Among it's > passengers > are Peder Christiansen Gjestrumbakken & wife and son Emil Pedersen. > The Gjestrumbakken is not mentioned on the passenger list...........

Where do you have the time for this? I have been absolutely racking my brain on that website looking for information and coming up with nothing. I am obviously not looking at all names. I told you this Norwegian last names is killing me. You are so wonderful. Leah ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Leah, While this is not what we are looking for specifically, I did find some information about Peder Pedersen. This looks like Peder's confirmation on 06 October 1867: PEDER ANTON PEDERSEN Gjestrumbakken, born 12 February 1853 to parents: PEDER CHRISTIANSEN and BERTHE MARIE JOHANNESDATTER (the farm name coincides with their location at the time of the 1865-telling.....) (I cannot find a confirmation for Clara, so there is a possibility that she/the family emigrated before then - est. 1873...) This I believe to be his parents' marriage on 23 January 1846, in Vestre Toten: PEDER CHRISTENSEN Koukkersrudstuen, Koukersrud, Hammerstad, age 30 BERTHE MARIA JOHANNESDATTER Myrstuen, under Valheim, age 29 his father: CHRISTIAN PEDERSEN her father: JOHANNES OLSSEN witnesses: CHRISTIAN CHRISTENSEN Myrstuen and HANS PEDERSEN Holtestuen "http://www.slektshistorielaget.no/Kilder/vtoten/databaser2/ViedeVToten1844/index.html" This marriage date would coincide with the birth of their first child, CHRISTIAN, on 07 June 1846 (LDS records) Little by little..... Clark in Japan [email protected] wrote: > Peder was born in Vestre Thoten. Clara born in Vestre Thoten also. I have Peder as immigrating in 1870 but not confirmed that yet........

In a message dated 04.Jul.07 9:31:01 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Leah, ug ("ugift") = single / unmarried g ("gift") = married e = widowed enka = widow (nn) enke = widow enkemann = widower enkemannens = widower's enkestand = widowed enkja = (see "enke") (nn) ((source)) "http://home.online.no/~otjoerge/files/word.htm" If you give us the details from the passenger list, there's no telling what resources some of the Listers might have. OK, this is what I have about the passenger list. it comes in two pages. 1st page says at the top: this is the ship passenger list for the ship "Edda" which left Oslo in April 1871 and landed in Quebec. Among it's passengers are Peder Christiansen Gjestrumbakken & wife and son Emil Pedersen. The Gjestrumbakken is not mentioned on the passenger list. The next page is kind of strange. There are large numbers on the left hand side from 1 - 12. I thought they were representing the heads of the household, but it doesn't. Some names are by laborers, daughters, wifes, etc. Not every number is beside a farmer's name. Anyway, I will try to give a family above and a couple of names below as there are no families. My family will be in bold. Anders J. Skarten, age 41, farmer Johannes Jensen, age 64, his father wife Helene Indersdatter, age 61, his mother Marthe M. Johannesdatter, age 21, his sister Peder Christiansen, age 55, farmer Berte M. Johannesdatter, age 55, his wife Emil Pedersen, age 20, his son Karine Christensdatter, age 40, his sister Mathea Martinsdatter, age 6, his daughter Anders Johansen, age 19, farmer Carl Larsen, age 20, farmer Johannes Jensen has a large 8 by his name, Berte M. Johannesdatter has a 9, Karine Christensdatter has a 10, Anders Johansen has 11, and Carl Larson has 12. Mathea Martinsdatter is not Peder and Berte's actual daughter. We are thinking Mathea is award of the state of some sort or maybe even Karine's daughter and the transcriber got it wrong. In the 1880 census that I have found for Peder and Berte, it does have a Matia, age 25, says daughter, and single. Mathea would not be a Martinsdatter is being born to Peder & Berte. Mathea's father would be Martins somebody right???? Matia in 1871 is age 6 making her born in 1865. The 1880 census says that she is 25, making her born in 1855. So there is 10 years difference there. She is not in the 1900 census as there are no 1890 census for South Dakota. She must have gotten married or possibly have died at an early age. I looked something up on the internet about the ship "Edda" and it said that 1870 and 1871 were not transcribed yet. Are there by any chance any ship manifests in the local library? I live in a big city and the library downtown has a big genealogical room. We also have a local LDS church that has some things, but I haven't been there yet. I don't know if they specialize in only one area or if they have a lot of everything. I guess I could call there and see what they might have. I don't know how the person got this piece of paper in the first place. I know it has been in the family for quite some time, I just acquired it in August of 2006. This is all I have, any help is always and greatly appreciated. Leah ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Leah, ug ("ugift") = single / unmarried g ("gift") = married e = widowed enka = widow (nn) enke = widow enkemann = widower enkemannens = widower's enkestand = widowed enkja = (see "enke") (nn) ((source)) "http://home.online.no/~otjoerge/files/word.htm" If you give us the details from the passenger list, there's no telling what resources some of the Listers might have. I'll keep digging and see what I can come up with. Have a nice day! Clark in Japan [email protected] wrote: > .....I have a copy of the passenger list from a relative; the name of > the ship, where it left, when it left, and where it arrived, but it is > not online anywhere. It is not transcribed yet..... > .....What is the g, ug, and e under marital status? I am assuming 'g' > is married, 'ug' is unmarried and 'e' is?.....

Clark: Thank you very much for this information. It helps me out quite a bit, now I just have to figure out who everyone was and if they were related to her family. You have been wonderful. Leah ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Clark and listers: Peder and Clara did have children, 9 to be exact, they all were born in South Dakota though. Their first child was born 1 Feb 1877. Peder was born in Vestre Thoten. Clara born in Vestre Thoten also. I have Peder as immigrating in 1870 but not confirmed that yet. Nor do I have information about Klara and when her family immigrated. Still looking into this. I have Peder's father, mother, and one brother immigrating in 1871 along with Peder's aunt (his fathers sister) and one other person. The funny thing is: I have a copy of the passenger list from a relative; the name of the ship, where it left, when it left, and where it arrived, but it is not online anywhere. It is not transcribed yet. Peder and some of his family was in the 1865 Norway census as the same for Klara. Her place of birth on the 1865 census says Vestre Totens Prgj. What is the g, ug, and e under marital status? I am assuming 'g' is married, 'ug' is unmarried and 'e' is ??? Any further information needed, please let me know. Thanks to everyone. Leah ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Leah, In searching for their marriage, would you please help us by providing further information about Peder Pedersen, so we can create a time line around him and Clara? For example, did they have children? If so, do you have their birth dates? Is Peder also from Vestre Toten? Or did he immigrate? ((I search 1875-76 records, BUT not Peder and Clara marriage...)) Clark in Japan [email protected] wrote: > ......Also looking for a marriage information on Clara and Peder A. PEDERSON > between 1875-1876. Peder was born 12 Feb 1853, parents: Peder Christianson, > Berthe Maria Johannesdatter........

Leah, Here is information on CLARA, born 12 September and baptized 07 November 1858 in Vestre Toten. The father is Johannes Andersen HØRGSRUD and the mother is Anne Marie Andersdatter HØRGSRUD. Witnesses are OLE ANDERSEN, HELENE ANDERSDATTER, ANDERS ANDERSEN, JOHANNE HALVORSDATTER, and OLE ANDERSEN GAUKOM.. "http://www.slektshistorielaget.no/Kilder/vtoten/databaser2/DaapVToten1856/index.html" Have a nice day! Clark in Japan [email protected] wrote: > Looking for Clara Johanneson born 12 Sept 1858, Vestre Toten, Oppland, Norway > Parents: Johannes Anderson Horsrud, Anne Maria Andersdatter > I am told she is on page 60 and it is line #246. Who were the witnesses > when she was born? > Also looking for a marriage information on Clara and Peder A. PEDERSON > between 1875-1876. Peder was born 12 Feb 1853, parents: Peder Christianson, > Berthe Maria Johannesdatter.......

Looking for Clara Johanneson born 12 Sept 1858, Vestre Toten, Oppland, Norway Parents: Johannes Anderson Horsrud, Anne Maria Andersdatter I am told she is on page 60 and it is line #246. Who were the witnesses when she was born? Also looking for a marriage information on Clara and Peder A. PEDERSON between 1875-1876. Peder was born 12 Feb 1853, parents: Peder Christianson, Berthe Maria Johannesdatter Thanks for any help you can give me. Leah ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

I will be out of the office starting 06/29/2007 and will not return until 07/09/2007. I will probably be able to check my e-mail occasionally.

----- Original Message ----- From: "John Morten Malerbakken" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [Opp] Frants Frantsen Family - looking for informationon thefamily > > I was born half a mile from Kruke in Vågå (Heidal). > I have Frans in my ancestry. > How do I get in touch with the author ? > Helge H. > Hei Helge, Seeing that the post is done by the user "knustadhaugen" and signed by the name "Kåre" should provide you with a hint about who to contact I guess. John Morten (who also has Frants registered) -------------------------------------- -------------------------------------- It was not Kåre Nustadhaugen who had started the tread. I have a booklet about Frans Frantsen's family. He was born in 1791 and married Rønnog Iversdatter Kruke (4 April 1814) and came to lower Larsløkken in Heidal of Vaage. Helge H. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: knustadhaugen Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.scan-balt.norway.counties.oppland/3184.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello Debbi. Can you send me your e-mail address, it is a man in Heidal (VÅGÅ)that have many data on Frants Fransen that are interested to get in contact with you. Kåre My email is anustadh at online.no Put in @ instead for the at take away the spaces. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

> > I was born half a mile from Kruke in Vågå (Heidal). > I have Frans in my ancestry. > How do I get in touch with the author ? > Helge H. > Hei Helge, Seeing that the post is done by the user "knustadhaugen" and signed by the name "Kåre" should provide you with a hint about who to contact I guess. John Morten (who also has Frants registered)

Hi all, I have uploaded my children's ancestry from Norway if anyone wishes to check names. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~maggiebakke/srb/sur.htm Margit

I was born half a mile from Kruke in Vågå (Heidal). I have Frans in my ancestry. How do I get in touch with the author ? Helge H. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [Opp] Frants Frantsen Family - looking for information on thefamily > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: knustadhaugen > Surnames: > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.scan-balt.norway.counties.oppland/3184.1.1.1/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > Just a link. > > http://www.reuber-norwegen.de/Oppland/BilderTab_Oppland01.html > > With a picture of Kruke in VÃ¥gÃ¥KÃ¥re > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link > above and respond on the board. > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: fingur Surnames: Lunde Olsen Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.scan-balt.norway.counties.oppland/3192.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: The naturalization papers (first papers filed in Grand Forks, ND in October 1886) say he arrived in April, 1882 at Portland, ME. The source for the Lunde-eiet residence is "Kirkebok for Ostre Gausdal, 1874-1886". Sigvart was confirmed at Follebu on 2 May 1880. Entry name: Sigvart Olsen Lunde-eie Entry date of birth: 3 September 1865 Entry baptism: 1 October 1865 Entry place of birth: Norstevold-eie Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.